/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9272821
Based FF2 enjoyer

how would I find my CRT's refresh rate? I'm being super autistic and using scanlines to measure input lag for emulators. I'm assuming my CRT is more than 60HZ because its taking about 5-6 scanlines for Link to swing his sword in LttP after I press the button, but it definitely doesn't feel like there's 6 whole frames on input lag.

>>9272821
what is it with CRTs and cats

>>9272924
they are warm and big enough for cats to lay on so cats like them

>>9272821
CUTE

This brings up a point I thought about weeks ago, everyone used to put decorations and shit on top of TVs when CRTs were big and huge, but how that flat panel screens are razor thin piece of shit you can't do that anymore.

What's the best thing to put on top of a CRT?

>>9272831
Each scan line is not a frame, it’s 1/240th of a frame

>>9273253
Also if your crt is a consumer tv it can only be 50, 60, or 100hz you will not find anything other than this

>>9273251
The real answer is a switch box used to connect all of your consoles so they can gangbang that slutty TV

>>9272831
Unless you’re using an insanely slow motion camera, how could you possibly tell how many scan lines are drawn before he swings

>>9273251
Nothing, because most CRTs aren’t flat on top

Inb4 ranfag shits up this thread

>>9273251

>>9272821
>PVMeme owner here
I have a 14M2, should I get a 14L5? All I really play is N64 and Genesis. I do like the idea of having 1080p support within the TV but I’m afraid the high horizontal resolution and strong scanlines will make my comfy retro experience feel too artificial.

>>9272821
cute cat

>>9273505
I had both and sold the L5 because I barely used the higher resolutions. Btw the L5 only goes up to 1080i. It looked amazing at 480P but it just wasn't useful enough to me to keep it.
Here's a pic of my old setup.

>>9273626
Thanks, that’s super helpful perspective. Out of curiosity, did 240p games actually look “worse” on the L5, or was it just not good enough to justify the cost?

By the way, what’s your audio setup like for that? I still use the mono speaker just because I hadn’t figured out a good way to set up external audio with more than one input.

>>9273636
The scanlines were a bit too sharp for me but still looked great. I just used the M2 more. The L5 did seem to have a better composite comb filter but don't quote be on that.
Those Sony speakers are magnetically shielded, that's how they're so close. At the time I was just using them with an old AIWA stereo. Now I use 90s JBL speakers with a stereo I built myself around the lm1875 chip.
If you need external output to a soundcard or whatever you can literally just buy/make a splitter cable.

>>9272821
anyone know if the Interact Dreamcast s-video cables are any good? I ordered some cheap and I've heard the video quality out of these is good, and there's no composite cable attached which is apparently something to watch out for with Dreamcast s-video cables?

>>9273251
A television bias light that will provide contrast when playing in a dimly light room.

>>9273660
super unnecessary for CRTs

>>9273663
probably always unnecessary, but still period correct though

>>9273668
I don't get it, how is that period correct? No one ever used bias lights for CRTs

>>9273663
then why did so many companies sell them in the 50s, 60s and 70s?
>>9273681
>I don't know about it therefore it never happened
classic, just classic

>>9273354
I am using an insanely slow motion camera. My S21 Galaxy has a super slow mo function and I can actually see the scanlines. Try it yourself if you have a newer phone.

New pickup today. A lot of people overlook apple monitors that aren’t the famous ones but this display does analog rgb 480i, and it’s before apple started using trinitrons so it’s a slot mask. I’m excited to see what this is capable of once I make a good cable adapter

>>9273721
>>9273253
>>9273354
Also sorry just realized my terminology is incorrect. When I say "scanlines" I mean one entire scan across the the screen, so I actually mean set of 240 scanlines.

I tested it myself and on my TV it is 60HZ, 12 scans for simon to swing his whip in Castlevania.

>>9273689
I really had no idea and couldn't find any information on it, you don't have to be a shithead about it

>>9273743
I think the word you're looking for is "frames"

>>9273734
Cute little internals, and it’s a Mitsubishi tube which is cool

>>9273758
I think the technically better term is “field,” as in, the tv might display two interlaced fields of one frame, in which case interlacing adds ambiguity to what is a full frame so people say field

>>9273781
Ah shit, you're right. I always forget about 480i.

>>9272821
I need a good crt to turn sideways to play shmups in TATE mode... What buy bros?

>>9273810
Anything small but honestly thats such a pain in the ass to do its one of the rare instances I prefer a flat panel with shaders. My monitor has swivel/tilt so I just use it instead.

>>9273251
some kind of an end table cloth to cover the screen when not in use, and a buddha figure to hold it up.

>>9273810

>>9272831
in castlevania 1 the whip actually has 1 frame of lag (so if you input the whip on a given frame, it will be visible not on the next frame but the frame after that). usually crt tvs have less than a frame of input lag unless they're hd sets. is your tv hd? also how do you know what frame you press the button? does it have an led? if you're emulating it could also be your controller has input lag.

>>9273913
also just checked alttp (in an emulator) and the sword has 0 input lag. i.e., the sword appears on the frame after you press the button

>>9273913
>>9273919
its emulating from a Wii which I imagine has more lag than a better emulator, Snes9xGX specifically.

Anyone here have experience importing shit from japan? I'm tempted to buy a 14' but I'm curious about the packing and shipping cost.

>>9272821
What's probably the best consolized gameboy/color/advanced to play pokemon on a crt, focusing mostly on resolution scale so to not have the picture blown out? I'm working with RF coaxial only so composite isn't an option when downscaling from HDMI.

>>9274112
just use a wii

>>9274153
ew no
I've already got all my pokemon romhacks on actual gameboy cartridges. I just want to play them on my nice 13" RF crt, and play them like console games.

>>9274112
>>9274173

>rf only
>actual cartridges

Nigger what the fuck are you doing?

I think your only option is a Gamecube with Game Boy player, apparently Gamecube actually did have an RF cable which I learned today.

But youre probably better off getting a TV that has composite input and emulating the ROMs instead of paying the price of a Game Boy Player and however the fuck much this obscure cable costs for this super niche thing. Hell you're nearing the cost of a MiSTer at that point.

>>9274086
A fourteen foot CRT would cost a lot to ship.

>>9274187
Yeah I actually already have have a gamecube with gameboy player, AND I have a much nicer and larger PVM 2530 vs my modest 13" RF only Zenith Space Command.
However, using the gameboy player with the GBI mod has been such an unmitigated pain in my fucking ass, on top of not being able to play the games in full screen without some kind of issue, has me wanting to go a more complicated, but hopefully simplified way of playing pokemon games on a tv, by trying to downscale the HDMI signal a GBA consolizer would use, to coaxial RF for a more aesthetically pleasant home console experience.
Why? Because I'm clearly fucking insane and in desperate need to touch grass

>>9274201
Based schizo hobbyist

>>9274201
yeah your best option is still GBI, consolizer mods are grotesquely overpriced

Are you running it from an sd card or from a memory card? I haven't used GBI much (I'll agree it's a pain in the fucking neck the GC's CFW scene is garbage) but you're way better off running it from an SD card so you can actually configure shit without having to patch a save file.

>>9274238
I'm running GBI on an SD card through the memory card slot. Another big problem is since I use Scart with my gamecube to my PVM through the EON MrkII, I have to swap out the scart connection for AV cables temporarily just to navigate the menu or else the signal is scrambled, than switch back to the scart cable after loading into the actual GBA game. I have to do that every damn time. That's not even including the different GBI softwares, one that'll give me full screen, but a blurry picture, and one that has a perfect picture but not full screen.
Drives me nuts!

>>9274245
it's a fundamental problem with gameboy games on a tv. you can either have integer scaling or full screen but not both. the number of horizontal lines and pixels just don't line up. in my experience gbi fullscreen doesn't even look bad, but i haven't played extensively. also rf multi out adapters for gamecube/n64 aren't that expensive.

For real though it is fucking stupid that GBI doesn't have a good option for 240p. The only version that runs at 240p is the speedrun edition and that removes features for no good reason because it's for autistic speedrunners. Just take the standard edition and run it at 240p, goddamn.

>>9274279
Are you sure you can’t?
Maybe it’s something to do with Swiss

PSA: This is the best internal CRT dust remover.

https://www.amazon.com/SIN-SHINE-Compressed-Electric-AD01-Black/dp/B083LNC6NR/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1V8U4MB3WWQFO&keywords=pc%2Belectric%2Bair%2Bduster&qid=1663765845&sprefix=pc%2Bele%2Caps%2C216&sr=8-3&th=1

>>9274497
Really? I just use an air mate pump and it works well

>>9274507
Air mattress*

>>9273689
These aren't bias lights, they're TV lamps. The goal of bias lights is to improve contrast and even out black levels for flat panels that have shit contrast. The goal of these things was to mitigate people's fears about television damaging your eyes in a dark room because in the 50s, 60s and 70s, people didn't know any better.

>>9273492
I dont know why but this made me bust out laughing.
>Captcha: NGY2K

Hi, /crt/. I'm at a dead guy's house cleaning it out. Guy had three CRTs, two of which are definitely bad. This one has red static, is this fixable? My boss said I can take it.

>>9274821
Your boss probably regrets hiring the mentally challenged

>>9274821
possibly fixable, you really won't know until you start diagnosing it further. could be as simple as a fucked up tint or color drive setting or as complicated as a dead color gun.

>>9274821
I don’t think it’s bad but there are a lot of things that could be causing that

managed to snag a pvm (20l2) a couple of weeks ago for pretty cheap on a medical auction site.
only problem is now I'm having a hard time deciding where to put it in my office. could swap out my JVC, but would lose some screen real estate. PVM definitely has a nicer picture though. would like to pop its up on my desk, but 20" is kinda big for that (not opposed to getting a bigger desk I guess).
Thoughts? pic related. ignore my meme consoles pls.

>>9274882
I'd get a bigger desk, you know you like multiple display options

>>9274201
I miss your old set up but this is cool too. Total class.

>>9274201
Nice set up, love to see the matching zenith tv & vcr

>>9274885
Yeah I think you're right. Bigger screen is great for certain games + watching old vhs. Plus my current desk has been scratched to hell by my dog anyways lmao.
It does seem a little funny to have two crt's and neither one do 480p. Idk, maybe I'll swap out the JVC down the road. Or just accept 480i into my heart.

I've always wondered why people hound after PVMs when a good CRT monitor would have a similar or better quality display and can be used with a PC with relative ease. The only disadvantage a monitor has is not being directly compatible with most consoles which is easy to get around.

>>9274948
Longevity is the main reason since at this point aging is going to be the main differentiator between sets.

PVMs are going to maintain image quality for far longer than consumer sets because they were designed for commercial use to be left on 24/7. Its the same reason why consumer vehicles will start breaking down after 100,000 miles but you see commercial trucks from the 90s with millions of miles on them still in comission.

>>9274914
You dont want a CRT that does 480p. 480p means its an EDTV which means theres digital processing which means input lag.

>>9274914
>It does seem a little funny to have two crt's and neither one do 480p.
Nah that's perfectly normal, most TVs couldn't do 480p so it's no surprise the JVC doesn't, and the consumer sets that could do 480p (often labeled EDTVs) used digital processing which added lag. For consumer sets 480i is just the norm. Monitors can get away with a lot more obviously but in my opinion not having 480p on a CRT isn't a deal breaker. I stop noticing the flicker if I'm not looking for it, I understand people can be more sensitive to it though. I wouldn't get rid of that JVC for anything if I were you, especially not if it has component or can be RGB modded. That's a quality consumer set and in some cases their displays can offer a more desirable image than PVMs.

>>9274972
I was thinking an EDTV would be preferable for Wii/GC & Xbox/360 as lag would be less of an issue for those gens but maybe my thinking is wrong there. What be curious to hear people's preference for those consoles - 480p or 480i component?

>>9274981
yeah the flicker definitely doesn't bother me after a few minutes - makes sense considering it was invisible to my kid brain back in the 90's.
thanks for the info anon.

>>9274982
I agree that lag isn't as much of an issue on those but in an ideal world you want zero. I've used both Wii and Xbox through component on a plasma in progressive resolutions and on a CRT through component at 480i (and 240p for emulators, in the Wii's case) and I definitely preferred the stability of 480p but in terms of image quality I'd say they were even. I prefer to stay on the CRT as I think the phosphor blending effect helps to hide some of the artifacts of the image like aliasing. Everything is super crisp on the plasma in 480p but depending on what you value out of the image that may not be what you want. It's really apples to oranges between the two. 480p on a flat panel is obviously technically superior but 480i on a CRT looks more the way I think it should.
>captcha: TV2K4
kek my TV is from 2004

>>9275016
This is great info, definitely gonna stick with the JVC then.
thanks anon

>find huge 480i crt on the side of the road years after mine dies
>scoop it up and take it home, can't wait to hook up my ps2 and resume playing my 50+ game library i've been stuck emulating
>can't switch inputs using the front panel, have to use the remote it came with
>its a universal remote that needs to be paired
>after hours of reading contradicting info in manuals for tv and remote still can't figure out how to hook up remote to the tv
>the farthest i've got is getting the remote to start blinking, none of the codes i found online work
this is truly hell, i'm so close yet so far away

>>9275061
Buy the right remote on ebay

Does this look okay or is it stretched? Running off OPL into my TV through SCART and there's 0 information online about which PS2 games look okay in 16:9 and which will stretch on native hardware

>>9274273
Well nice to know that's a viable option, thanks for pointing that out for me!
>>9274901
>>9274905
Thanks anons I appreciate it, the Zenith Space Command has gotta be one of the best looking 13" retro CRTs out there. It might just be RF only, but goddamn does it make NES/Genesis/VHS tapes look fucking good

>>9275161
That's stretched. Most PS2 games won't automatically stretch, to my knowledge. Maybe if you change the BIOs screen settings but I'm not sure about that. Every game I know of that supports widescreen has it as an option in the options menu. You can also patch ISOs to force widescreen in games that don't support it. Here's a list of games with alternate display modes on PS2, widescreen is noted.
https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_alternative_display_modes

>>9275186
>won't automatically stretch
Sorry, meant to say they won't automatically switch to widescreen

>>9275186
Thanks for confirming anon. I'll be able to switch to 4:3 mode for SCART when my replacement remote comes at the weekend but for now swapping to composite when I need 4:3 will do the job

>Flash emulators STILL run like piss, games that ran at full speed in the browser run at half speed in the newgrounds player
>have to keep old browser and addons just to play flash games
I dont get why no one has made a competent lightweight flash emulator yet.
Lots of great games that deserve to be played are at risk of being lost to time

I’m thinking of getting rid of it since I might be moving in with my girlfriend and she doesn’t have a lot of room. Already reserved a Steam Deck specifically for the situation.

>>9274821
>dead guys house
>gory red static with the black bar of oblivion on it
I’d be too scared to take it

>>9275462
I appreciate your effort in making yourself sound as much of a cuck as possible anon.

>>9275462
>moving in with girlfriend
>has no friends to hold onto possessions
you are a cuck indeed

>>9275462
Convince her of the merits of fucking to SNES music while bathed in the erotic glow of a ray tube

>>9275557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se1uh3PS78Y
To the beat

Did Funai make their own tubes?

>>9275535
You have friends take your shit? I would never ask them to store my garbage

>>9275838
i don't have friends that steal my shit so no i don't have to worry about people taking things.

>>9275462
meh I'm sure you can find some corner to shove it into

Can I get some advice please??

It was this post >>9268040 anything that looks bad or concerning?

Is this a good CRT?

>>9276008
Not much, you have some convergence problems in the corners and the whole picture is tilted a bit.
While the first is very common and easily ignored when you start playing, the tilt would drive me crazy personally. See if you can find a way to fix it in the service menu. I know some TVs even have a setting for it in the user menu.

>>9276030

>>9275523
>>9275535
There literally isn’t room in her apartment to play it at all, like it’s super, super tiny. She even suggested giving away her art desk (a very small desk that barely fits in the bedroom) so I can fit my computer in it, and I don’t want her to do that. If we were getting a new apartment together than that would be one thing but her lease doesn’t end of until towards the end of next year, and I would be moving in there in December since my parents are moving a couple hours away and I don’t want to move with them. Not that I have to explain myself to you are that you even give a fuck because you don’t, but I’m not getting cucked I can assure you.

>>9276087
Just give your monitor to a friend so you can get it back when you and your "artist" girlfriend break up

>>9276101
She’s not an “artist” girlfriend, she just likes to paint butterflies because it makes her feel happy. And she’s really sweet and nice. I will probably break up with her though, so you at least got that right

>>9275472
>black bar
that's just the camera

>>9276008
Panasonic TC-29KL04P
y/n?

>>9276324
wtf is that line

>>9276324
uhhh i've seen vertical collapse but not horizontal collapse

>>9276343
camera artifact

>>9276351
tv works tho

>>9276356
you better hope that's what it is because if that's what happened when you turn it on, you are going to have to spend more money and time to fix it

>>9272821
saw this thing, definitely an interesting aesthetic

>>9272821
baby get off the tv
>>9274201
Zenith Chads rise up
>>9274821
every creepypasta states that bad things happen if you take that tv

Zenith Advanced System 3
Model number SE5237W
Had it for 3 years, I bought it for the s-video though I've never used it, and it has a composite in/out jack which I use to split the video straight from my tv to my capture card.

how many hours is average for a monitor? i picked up a compaq p1220 a few days ago and just figured out how to view the hours. no idea if this is usage hours or just total hours including standby or what. quite happy with it for 30$ but it looks a little out of focus so ive got to crack it open and see what i can do about that at some point.

>>9272821
i had these speakers with they came with a subwoofer
cute kot

>>9274821
are you black?

>>9276907
32k isn't so bad. my dell p1130 is a little over 9k hours

>>9276087
You're not cucked, you're just an idiot. Giving away all your possessions so you can fit into some tiny shoebox? Just live in a suburbs you fucking urbanist faggot. Christ, if you can find even a 2-bedroom apartment away from the city centre I guarantee that there will be more than enough room for her art table and your CRT.

-Posted from my iFag Pro in a 2,000 sqft house

>>9276907
I had a monitor with that many hours and it was burned-in. It's about how it was used.

Sakura game

>>9276128
>I will probably break up with her though
why?

>>9278301
She won't hogtie him and drop a 32" CRT on his legs screen side down and call him her silly little gamer boy

>>9276087
>>9275462
>loser who leeches off his girlfriend
Get your own apartment, zoomer. God damn, kids these days just don't want to work.

>>9278324
How is that monitor? Guy locally selling for 125 usd for it.

>>9278742
Pvm 1390?

>>9278742
Great aesthetics and it’s 350 tvl so a softer more classic image. If you’re looking for a crisp pvm look it’s not that but it’s solid. It’s a bit old so you should make sure it’s not beat up

>>9276087
I think you need to look into buying a new house/apartment together or something

>>9276128
wait so why are you moving in with her? this sounds stupid. if you think it's gonna end anyways, why not just move with your parents and keep the things that make you happy, rather than squeezing into some studio with her because you can't afford your own place? better to have the relationship end because it couldn't withstand the distance rather than have it end because you get sick of eachother being in the same room 24/7 and you can't even game on your crt to take the edge off

It seems like every time I poke under the anode cap to discharge a monitor there isn’t really any real voltage left - no pops or noise or anything. Do I just have tvs with good discharge circuits? Is the anode cap discharge more for when you’re servicing it after *just * having it on?

>>9279062
Even if you don't hear the pops the CRT can still be storing voltage and I personally consider it necessary to do each and every time you're doing work in high voltage areas just because safety first, no reason not to do it. For the most part discharge circuits got really good by the time CRTs were being phased out so it's very likely that your assumption here is correct but always discharge anyway, better safe than sorry.

>>9274434
>>9274279
The different GBI configs are just that, configs. You can modify any of them however you like with .dcp and .cli files. Read the wiki. https://www.gc-forever.com/wiki/index.php?title=Game_Boy_Interface#Configuration

does anyone here have experience connecting a RTX 30 or other more recent nvidia graphics cards to a 15khz TV? I have a FV310 so I want to have it outputting to component, I feel like I remember seeing something about it actually being simpler than you'd think, something like displayport to HDMI and then HDMI to component and set a custom resolution on that port

>>9279168
there are some who have success with hdmi-component transcoders (no need to go from DP to hdmi here), but there are two bottlenecks: the resolution software really doesn't like 240p, especially nvidea drivers, so setting that up might take you from a few minutes to days figuring out what's wrong. The other thing is that component transcoders often don't support 240p, and it's really hard to tell if they do or not. sometimes the seller information doesn't have 240p support listed but the thing supports it anyways, or it has 240p listed but it doesn't actually work.
The other way is to do a displayport to vga converter and then an rgb to component transcoder. Then you output 240p over vga (with the same software difficulties) and then transcode that from rgb to component, of which the transcoders here are much more reliable. Things to consider with this route is your sync signal, which can sometimes be set to composite sync out of your video card but you may have to combine it depending on your transcoder. also it requires more hardware than the previous post but is a bit more fool-proof

>>9273654
I got the Interact Dreamcast s-video cable in today and it's not true s-video. Turns out it's a CVBS signal, which to my understanding is just a composite signal, but compared directly with OEM composite cables the image quality is a lot nicer. It seems to eliminate fringing and color artifacts and things are definitely more crisp, but dot crawl is still an issue, which sucks. Things end up looking a little fuzzy but for the cheap price and the jump in quality you do get with these I can't be that mad about it, though I know I'm spending more money in the long run because I'll eventually cave for OEM Sega cables. The information I'm posting here would have been nice to have before I bought these but there was like zero information out there about them aside from some old reviews I found on the wayback machine.

>>9279213
word, thank you. idk, it sounds like a layer of difficulty on top of everything is introduced with the fact that it looks like nvidia decided to get rid of interlaced output support after the 10 series. if my PC had a free slot it seems like it'd be so much simpler to just get an old analog out card and run it that way, but in my situation it looks like the options would basically be like.. build a crt-specific system, or run one of those old GPU's externally which is it's own set of custom hardware and hoops to jump through. might not be totally worth the trouble in the end considering the PC is already connected to a pretty nice OLED lol

>>9279254
I always recommend this guy’s method
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/awqolc/comment/ewg1u4t/
which is simple, but I’ve heard recently that the transcoder he picked may or may not work anymore, I’m not sure. It might be worth trying because it’s just one adapter

>>9279280
Go back faggot

>>9279315
Eat my ass basedjak newfag

>>9276087
My wife and I lived in a tiny one-bedroom apartment for two years and the place was cluttered with my retro shit. Most of my shit was set up in the bedroom while the rest was in the laundry and living rooms. If the collection is actually too big for your gf's place, then just leave it to your parents. Then take it back when you move to someplace bigger.

>>9276128
>And she’s really sweet and nice. I will probably break up with her though
ok now you're just being retarded. Why would you tell us you're moving in with her only to say later you might break up? Makes no sense. Don't listen to the NEET virgins calling you cucked.

>>9274882
Hey, a PVM-20L2MD. I have one too. It was a bitch to find the service manual. I added it to the CRT wiki: https://consolemods.org/wiki/CRT:PVM-20L2MD
Are you going to re-cap it?

>>9275462
>>9276087
Fullproof solution: don't move in with your girlfriend until you get married and are actually ready and responsible enough to expand your family

>>9274982
EDTVs aren't great for 240p/480i, lightguns normally don't work because 100Hz, they have post processing, input latency, and are only okay for the early 3D consoles. If you want 480p(+) either get a VGA monitor, or a multiformat/multiscan PVM or BVM like the 20L5, D20 etc

>>9273505
its 1080i not 1080p retard just buy a pc crt you dumb faggot

>>9274948
>why do people desire 15Khz displays for 15Khz content
VGA monitors are great but don't do 240p. If you're emulating, sure, whatever, but if you're using original hardware or something like MiSTer, you'll likely want native 240p. Not fucking with other hardware or converters is also a plus.

Sexo

My tv was working, and then it slowly started getting shaky and then it lost sync and now it will only display this screen no matter what’s hooked up (it goes away if nothing is being displayed). At normal brightness only the dot in the bottom right corner is visible but I turned up the brightness to see what was going on. I expect this is an issue with the horizontal sync? I’m checking for big capacities gone bad near hsync related ICs but I can’t find any so far. Any suggestions while I keep looking?

>>9279548
Never mind I googled it. Thank you sirs from Sri Lanka

>>9273251
Legos, funkopops, dvds, unopened vidya, your virtual boy, or the Nintendo 64.

>>9279563
Honestly we give a Indians a lot of shit here but I'm grateful they hold such a vast amount of information on CRTs in english, really saved my ass when I was looking into my samsung model.

>>9279563
Please do the needful sir.

>>9279563
We may give Indians shit for shit, but at the end of the day sometimes a tech problem can only be solved by an indian's touch.

How long does a CRT need to be on for before burn in becomes an issue? If I'm not moving anything on my screen for more than about 20 seconds I turn it off

>>9279838
I've only ever seen burn ins happen to store display models that have been on for thousands of hours.

>>9279838
Depends on the exact generation and type of CRT.
VGA monitors made in and after late 90s are extremely hard to burn-in. You basically do not have to worry about it at all.
It's still a good idea to be aware of it, while burn-in is practically impossible, your uniformity will become degraded after 20k hours or so.
But putting the display through unnecessary heat cycles is likely way worse for it, it's a better idea to blank the display with a black image or screensaver of that sort if you're not using it for less than an hour.

>>9279315
Triggered.

>>9279838
That is 10x worse then just leaving it on.
Use a black screensaver if you are worried, but burn in is a non issue.
Think about the people in this thread that post their crt problems every day, how often is burn in a problem?

going over 350hz on a crt is crazy, its so damn smooth

>>9280048
>That is 10x worse then just leaving it on.
just curious but why?

>>9280204
The rapid heating and cooling off turning it on and off causes solder joints to crack and components to fail.

>>9280204
warming up and cooling down is bad for any electronic device, will cause components to fail prematurely due to thermal stress

>>9279838
Don't do that. Obviously, don't leave it on for hours idling. All you have to do is turn it off when you're done playing vidya on it and you'll be good. No need to worry and sperg out over it.

I'm thinking a round of golf with my buddy Craig this Friday afternoon.

>>9272821
>when u paws the gaem

>>9278742
I had one and the image is just as glassy as that photo suggests.

Retard here. Should I refrain from playing in the dark and turn the lights on? Just got my CRT back and while eyesight damage is a meme with LEDs, I feel like it wasn't with CRTs and I should be careful.

>>9280815
You can keep the lights off if you prefer, just sit a few feet away.

>>9280815
it's a meme with CRTs too so long as you aren't like 5 inches away from the screen.. If anything poor convergence is could what lead to eye strain but I watch CRTs in the dark all the time, have since I was a kid, and my eyes are fine.

>>9280815
Staring at anything close-by all the time is what gives you issues, namely near-sightedness. Lighting wont make a difference to anything except comfort. There's no difference between LEDs, CRTs or a damn book when it comes to damage.
Go touch grass, and then use your gadgets for a reasonable amount of time.

>>9280842
>>9280843
>>9280847
Ok thanks, I sit like 3 feet away so should be good.

>>9280896
The rule for reading is for every 20 minutes starting at something 20 inches away, spend 20 seconds starting at something 20 feet away.

Would leaving my phone sitting on top of my CRT monitor do anything negative to either device?

>>9280574
Think you can fit it inside mine?

>>9279838
it takes thousands of hours with literally no change in picture for burn in to even start.

>>9280989
I knew a kid who has burn in on his CRT from a racing game HUD. It's the only time I've seen burn in on a CRT outside of security monitors, but thousands of hours might be an overestimation, especially with consumer grade. It's still something that most of us won't have to worry about with normal use but still.

>>9281031
His family probably kept the brightness and contrast all the way up, and he left it on over night. People used to abuse these things

>>9280815
>while eyesight damage is a meme with LEDs, I feel like it wasn't with CRTs
also be careful as you will end up with square eyes,
but seriously anything thats shining a light directly at ur eyes will eventually make ur eyes hurt no matter if its led,lcd or crt especially in the dark, its like shining a torch in someones eyes in the dark, but not as intense, unless ur playing in the dark for prolonged periods, i always have cos i dont give a shit, in my mid 30's and have 20/20 vision, at least i did wen i was tested 10yrs ago, the only thing thats ok to use in the dark is a projector (forgetting the fact they work best in the dark) so long as ur not looking directly into the bulb, but also that would be stupid.

>>9280941
Drain that put for me

>>9281127
>i was tested 10yrs ago
My dude...

>>9280935
No, the worst thing a CRT can do to nearby devices is obstruct wireless signals, and the only thing you really have to be cautious about leaving near CRTs is magnets.

>>9276030
i have that one heheh, its fine, mine was barely used so its pretty calibrated

>>9278324
>>9278764
It is 450 TVL(you can check in the manual, just google it), more than most consumer CRTs. It's pretty sharp if the tube is good.

>>9279426
I usually put a subtle but blatantly wrong point into my messages on 4chan because it always triggers autists into responding to a question they would have otherwise ignored.

>>9273251
I kept figs on top of my CRT for a while until I moved it to under an HDTV, now keeping anything on it would obstruct the view.

>>9278742
Yeah kinda beat up

>>9281683
>consoles stacked on top of each other
Why? You can't even put a disc into that Saturn.

>>9281952
Limited space. In the present the Saturn and N64 are elsewhere and a Dreamcast is on top, leaving everything usable where it is.

>>9281452
Here’s my kv-1311cr, it’s brother

>>9278132
Is that a gb game stretched to fullscreen, Ewww, use mgba on wii and o
Play at H 0.8 V 0.5 at 240p or use mednafen

>>9281705
Considering this is a picture of a CRT, it’s impossible to know the state of the tube without seeing it in real life. I would get it either way for that price

>>9273636
>did 240p games actually look “worse” on the L5

I upgraded from a 14M4 to a 14L5.
It turns out that both models have EXACTLY the same tube inside of them. The only difference being the electronics driving the tube.

For 240p and 480i content, they looked identical. Completely identical.

The only reason to go to an L5 is if you intend to actually use the higher resolution support (480p, 720p, 1080i).
I was able to justify it, I have a RasPi4 hooked up running at 720p. Probably the only example in the world of someone using the HD-SDI card!

As for the 14M2. Yes. There will be a difference between a 14M2 and a 14L5. The same difference would also apply for upgrading from a 14M2 to a 14M4.

200 extra TV lines. More pronounced and sharper scan lines on 240p content.

>>9282037
This looks great

>>9275061
Had the same issue. Video purists trigger warning but I managed to find a n64 rf out adapter locally that could do channel 3 or 4

Then I ripped open the n64 side and looked at the n64 video out schematics online. Connected the right wires to a sliced up RCA extender female end but found I'd lose the 5v to power the conversion.

Spliced in a USB cable for the 5v and now have a cable with coax on one end and female rca + usb on the other. Works great but yeah coax is inferior.

Still saved my 32" pickup from becoming trash

>>9275178
Kino NES purist station anon

>>9275462
I cannot (and frankly will not) relate to trading in a CRT (Cathode Rad Tube) retro station for the state of modern gaming

>>9275061
instead of typing in codes, usually u can scan for codes, this involves pressing a key combo on the remote then pressing either the volume key followed by the power off button, when the tv turns off its paired then u press a button to save, try looking up the maual for ur remote for instructions.

also bear in mind if the remote is too new or too old for the tv the codes wont work, i have like 3 universal remotes from the 1990s-2000 compatibility is hit or miss, i would recommend an xbox360 remote mine worked on my trinitron from the mid 90's, so any tv from then up till 2010 sholud work, as long as its a well known make, and not something obscure. tho the 360 one does support alot even obscure shit, check the code list

>>9273835
Is that a vertical crt computer? Are there more kinds of CRT monitors like this?

>>9282753
Apple Portrait Display
https://lowendmac.com/1989/macintosh-portrait-display/

>>9279409
>PVM-20L2MD
you got it man, good eye. thanks for the service manual.
so far pretty happy with it, don't think it's in immediate need of a recap (probably will down the road though).
how do you like yours? notice any quirks with it?

>>9282246
>I upgraded from a 14M4 to a 14L5.
>It turns out that both models have EXACTLY the same tube inside of them. The only difference being the electronics driving the tube.
I also own both M4U and L5, and for 15kHz content there's virtually no difference.
If you're planning on swapping tubes however, remember to change the yoke because the L5's is designed for higher frequencies.
One thing I dislike about the L5 is that it sits too low and the menu is harder to navigate, but it's still an upgrade since it's the Ultimate CRT for all Analog resolutions. 480p makes a difference on Xbox and some PS2 games, but it's hard to find a real use case for 720p/1080i since you lose resolution by going widescreen.

I feel immense disgust towards all the redditors clamoring over buzzwords like pvm, aperture grille, rgb, etc and spending hundreds or thousands on 9” screens when they don’t even know what the fuck they’re doing as they plug in their hdmi to composite converters and emulate ps2 games and wonder why it looks like shit

Do you bother to match the color temperature of your CRT to the type of lighting for your room?

>>9280574
Craig is such a golf-game-guy name. I can imagine balding 30-something Craig in his polo tee and khakis putting down hours in the Golden Tee machine every weekend.

>>9283626
Not feasible unless you have a monitor or autism

Close-up video of Capcom Status 18.
Scanlines are easily visible.
https://youtu.be/Sx-Y70PW2tw

Monitor is likely Nanao MS8-18.

>>9283664
Or just change your light bulb to the one that matches the CRT.

Kino composite Monitor

Some pedo tranny is using my pics lol

>>9283869
disgusting

I was going to pick up a 36 inch Trinitron last week, but the guy giving it away dropped it getting it off the shelf.

>>9283896
he had it up on a shelf? is he superman?

On top of a fucking fridge. No clue how he only broke it but didn't smash it in the process.

>>9283869
execution by crt

>>9283891
>>9284008
It's the same person who has spammed /a/, /g/ /vr/, discords and altchans with ranspam and such garbage
Literally thousands of posts of spam https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/ran/filename/mpv-/page/1/

>>9284029
holy shit it goes on for 60 whole pages

No offense but I don't get the appeal of why you people love CRTs so much? They are very huge and heavy. They don't even make CRTs anymore and it's hard to repair them these days. Isn't it time you moved on?

This is coming from someone who grew up with CRTs and gaming in the 80s and 90s. Why not just use a nice flat panel and buy an adaptor for your old game systems?

Someone please explain the appeal to me so I can understand? Like is this a nostalgia thing for you folks? Something that takes you back to your childhood? Because for me I only care about playing my systems and games. What's the deal here?

>>9284250
faggot

>>9284284
I'm older than you are. You have no power over me.

Capacitors usually get better as a set warms up, correct? What’s a component that gets worse as it heats up? Resistors?

>>9272821
Bought a 27" Sharps 27f631 for $25 but I'm going to need to drive 40 miles back and forth to get it.

>>9284304
I just noticed something on the listing.

A component plug seems to be ripped out. Is this repairable?

>>9284250
*does a DX crotch chop in your direction*

>>9284309
Unless they ripped it off with a chunk of the IO board, you should be good.
They sell spares on AliExpress.

>>9284309
no way to tell without checking the board, but you may be lucky and only the metal contacts got ripped off

>>9284250
If this CRT f4gs actually cared about CRTs then they would be saving real old school CRT TVs like this. Everyone in this thread is a joke. They always just stick with 2000s CRT garbage. Mass produced ugly boxes. Not actual works of art.

>>9284314
>>9284319
what would the replacement part be called? "component female input plug"?

>>9284321
Female rca connector

>>9284303
Follow up question: if this 820uH inductor is reading only .5 ohms, is it shorted?

>>9284339
thanks

I'm thinking something like this might work

>>9284303
all components degrade with heat and power

>>9279564
>funkopop

Neck thyself little goy

>>9284320
I just vomited a little.

>>9284320
because we care about the image output, not the fucking object, that is only secondary
this is why CRT's are on /vr/

>>9284436
You don't speak for this whole thread.
I want a console/flood-model CRT.

>>9284429
bad opinion

>>9284436
>because we care about the image output,
Bullshit. If that were true you would have moved on to LCD screens by now.

>not the fucking object, that is only secondary
>this is why CRT's are on /vr/
No. REAL CRTs are works of art. Not this mass produced grey or black box crap. You have no clue about the work that went into older CRT designs. Every other thread on /vr/ makes fun of you people. They say you belong /g/. I thought I would find people like me here. Someone who actually used to repair and maintain vintage CRTs. But nope. All I see are CHILDREN who jerk off to ugly Sony boxes. You have no appreciation for it. You people don't love CRTs at all. I love CRTs far more than any of you fake fans ever will. This whole thread is a joke.

>>9284461
>Bullshit. If that were true you would have moved on to LCD screens by now.
here's a (you) for your reply

>>9284320
what a retarded post, we don't collect CRTs just to stare at a blank screen. I only care about the image quality of a CRT I don't give a shit what the outside looks like.

also every CRT is mass produced even old ones, the technology could not have existed without the development of the assembly line.

You people have no appreciation for the classical design of older TVs. None. Back in the old days, a lot of care went into designing something that wasn't ugly in the house.

>>9284368
I meant more immediate. Like how a tv gets better brightness as it warms up after turning it on. What might act better right when I turn it on and then fail after a minute?

>>9284472
>I only care about the image quality of a CRT I don't give a shit what the outside looks like.
Maybe that's why your retrogame room look like a hoarder lives there. No style. No design. No thought into making it look good or presentable.

>>9284474
>>9284481
okay faggot enjoy your grainy pieces of shit with 5 years of life left in them

Post your setup, retarded boomer. You won’t, because you don’t actually care you’re just here to shit up the thread

>>9283794
A chair? Really?

>>9281683
The floor? THE FLOOR ??? You can buy useless anime plastic figures but can't even afford a proper stand for your TV? Did your parents raise you wrong?

>>9281705
What is that? Your garage floor? Disgusting. Have some pride.

>>9276356
Get off of the floor.

>>9276030
Dust your room.

>>9284490
>Post your setup, retarded boomer. You won’t, because you don’t actually care you’re just here to shit up the thread

I have no "setup". That's some amateur crap that you people do to make your ugly
grey boxes look presentable. Vintage TVs are meant to look like furniture that doesn't draw attention to themselves. If I post a picture all you will see is a normal living room. A door hides away my TV. And it's not the center of the living room.

If boomer means someone who isnt a slob then I will gladly take that title. You people play on the floor and drive 100 miles round trip just to get junk. I told my son that if they want to do something, then do it right. No half measures. Have some pride and learn to appreciate your CRT history young one. I can't believe you people have no appreciation for Americana and legendary TV designs of the past.

>>9284502
I liked it better when all you did is say how much you hate CRT's, shitposter
now it's just pathetic

>>9284436
Shut your mouth. Floor models are awesome. The wood is great. There are actual online communities where people fix these behemoths.

>>9284502
Your tvs were made before the conception of a home console even existed and are extremely limited for /vr/ purposes, or for even general viewing. Without broadcast tv there is not a single thing those sets have going for them besides wood grain. By the time people had video games in their homes besides pong, Curtis mathes was already plastic chinkshit. Japanese tvs were the best tvs when video games were on CRTs and they are the best CRTs ever got

This thread is hilarious. Boomer anon comes in and tells them their crt tvs are shit and to respect old crts. Other anons tell Boomer anon that his tvs are too old and junky. WOW......just wow. The irony is just amazing

>>9284250
>Someone please explain the appeal to me so I can understand? Like is this a nostalgia thing for you folks?
If you want a honest answer it's because most anons in these threads are cheap or broke financially. They talk about paying $20 to $25 dollars for old questionable CRT TVs. Or picking up CRT TVs that are sitting out on the curb. These are not anons rolling in money. The retro console market appeals to them because it's cheap. Same logic with the CRT monitors.

>>9284250
How many times does it have to be stated, Standard definition content looks better on a CRT
it is also less laggy
>>9284645
>muh money
you're an idiot
I am convinced people are just coming in this thread for the sole purpose of shitposting

>>9284502
It cant fall of from the chair so easily because of the backrest.
>>9284476
Capacitors are funky, they can do that aswell.
Maybe transitors aswell

>>9284029
Do the german's have a word for "genuine concern over a strangers mental health online" yet?

>>9284729
The thread had reached bump limit anyways.
The troon always either takes jokes out of context or obsses over my waifuposts.
And this does happen in every thread on /g/, be it day or night, he stalks the board for crt threads to post his copypasta all day.

>>9284668
>it is also less laggy
This hasn't been true for many years.

>>9284740
it is still true, even minimally so
especially in relation of an analogue signal to digital display

>>9284742
Anon if it were true then eSports would still be using old CRT displays. The eSports community is far more anal about response time than the retrogame community. The truth is that modern panels have caught up and even surpassed CRT displays

>>9284668
>Standard definition content looks better on a CRT
Debatable. I have no problem watching a DVD on an HD display.

>>9284761
esports aren't playing analog signal games
they are also playing games at hundreds of frames and carrying CRT's everywhere is not feasible, also all equipment is sponsored by companies
there are many factors that go into this
>>9284774
you might have no problem but I can tell you DVD's look super sharp on a CRT and the colours are often better due to the colour space they are made for

>>9284761
Esports get money from companys, and crts cant have super high refresh rates and resolutions at once, I doubt theyll settle for 600p

>>9284774
Trust me Anon I was skeptical at first too but playing Burnout Revenge on an actual PS2 and CRT genuinely beats out emulation and an LCD any day.

>>9273830
Based

>>9274201
>all that shit just LEANING
>stacking vertically
>no visible amplifier
Get your shit together, anon.

My 14'' Philips CRT/VHS Combi is the gift that keeps on giving

>>9284502
>what is that? Your garage floor?
Bro that's a Facebook marketplace listing, not my setup. Yes it probably is a garage floor lmao

>>9284502
This cant be a real person

What you guys playing today

>>9285227
where my N64 s-video bros at

>>9285227
not a retro game but I'm gaymen

>>9285227
Thracia 776 on
steam deck, with savestates

>>9285304
Dell p1130? Do you rike it? Want one but I'm not sure I have the desk space and already use a modern ultrawide 1440p 160hz, unsure about how much actual use I'd get out of it desu

>>9285331
got it for free off FB marketplace a couple years ago and I love it.
already put over 300 hours into it mainly playing cs

Are you all going to get him get away with this? Where the bids at?
https://www2.ppauctions.com/lot/173767/lot-761

>>9285587
That’s more than it’s worth already

>>9285615
I heard he got a pair of D24's for 1k last time and flipped each for 3k.

>>9284729
I wish I knew myself.

>>9284734
Show me where it reads that rules no longer apply when thread hits the bump limit? Can I spam this thread too once it reaches bump limit?
And besides, you do plenty spamming before bump limits in every single CRT thread especially on /g/, but even some here in /vr/.

>>9272821
I was this fucking close to securing a CRT two times today.
First one was at a yard sale, albeit it was a Mono CRT. Didn't have my wallet on me, and when I went back, it was gone.
Second one, I was just about to ask a neighbor about their CRT that was on the curb when it starts pouring, pretty much meaning that thing is toast.

>>9285715
>Second one, I was just about to ask a neighbor about their CRT that was on the curb when it starts pouring, pretty much meaning that thing is toast.
No it's likely perfectly good once it's properly dried. Water wont do shit to electronics* if there's no power running through it, and even when powered there's a quite a high likelyhood of avoiding all damage, speaking from experience.

* unless you let it sit long enough causing corrosion

>>9285715
If you let it dry it will probably be fine. Worst case scenario is having to clean corrosion from the board. There was a video I watched of some kid who was given a CRT that had been outside for literal years and it still powered on and seemingly worked fine after he left it drying in his parent's garage for a little while. That level of exposure is probably worth avoiding but a little rain is by no means a death sentence for CRTs.

>>9285715
>Second one, I was just about to ask a neighbor about their CRT that was on the curb when it starts pouring, pretty much meaning that thing is toast.
Was anyone outside with it? Like they were cleaning their garage? If not, You should have just taken it if it's sitting on the curb. Usually that's a universal sign it's meant to be thrown out.

>>9285736
I don't think so. It's been on the curb since last night. Think I should just go for it tomorrow, and dry it off as best as I can throughout the day? I don't even have a lot of things to test it out with. All I have is a PS2 that can't read game discs but can read DVDs, and a Gamecube which I'm 99% sure is on the verge of death.

>>9285762
>and dry it off as best as I can throughout the day?
Unless you're willing to completely disassemble it, you should leave it in a dry place for couple weeks.

>>9285762
Water usually fucks up electronics. But if you are still going to take it, then at least remove the back panel and let the entire thing dry out for several days.

Don't be surprised if it shorts out or doesn't work after getting rained on all night.

>>9285771
It cannot short out if it's dried entierly.
People literally hose their dusty CRTs to clean them from dust.

If the CRT wasn't dead when they put it on the curb.... It's definitely is dead. He let it get rained on all night.

That means water got inside all the vents. It got inside the speakers. Water spilled over all the tubes and capacitors and resistors.

Water = dead electronics.

The guy would have to completely take apart the entire CRT unit to let it dry out for weeks. And even then there's no guarantee it will turn on.

Most CRT techs would tell you it's over if you told them it got rained on all night.

>>9285789
>It cannot short out if it's dried entierly.
CRT monitors can carry a residual electrical charge for a long time even after getting unplugged. If water made contact with the inside, then its toast

>People literally hose their dusty CRTs to clean them from dust
No one is spraying their dusty CRT with a water hose.

>>9285792
Alright then. Guess I'll have to go to various yard sales or just ride around in the hope that I come across another CRT on the curb.

>>9284250
crt tv is free, good upscaler is $300+customs fees(and not available to order). With crt I can plug my system and it just works, no inputlag and looks great and as intended, light guns also requires crt tv to work.

>>9285792
>>9285795
It will 100% still work if it did before.
I took one of the TVs that were sitting here out in the elements for atleast a month, got rained on plenty at it works just fine.
Just let it dry for a couple of days, if you turn it own while being wet it might break

>>9285795
>Alright then. Guess I'll have to go to various yard sales or just ride around in the hope that I come across another CRT on the curb.
Don't listen to that anon. There's still a chance. Take the CRT with you. Take off the panels and let it air dry for several days or even 2 weeks to be sure.

>>9285793
>CRT monitors can carry a residual electrical charge for a long time even after getting unplugged.
Yes but no. I've myself created sparks by on accident shorting things with a screw driver inside a recently unpowered PC monitor during my own repairs, but it still ran perfectly fine after it.
As I said, hosing CRTs is a thing people do. I remember hearing actual CRT techs doing this, it's fine.

>>9285792
>>9285793
Here's a certain someone's Dell P1110 Trinitron. It has bit of a long history, but the monitor eventually was resurrected. A rainy night is nothing compared to this.

>>9285815
I wish the snow fairy would leave me a high-end PC CRT

>>9285789
>People literally hose their dusty CRTs to clean them from dust.
What? Nobody is spraying their CRT with a water hose. If it's dirty, all you did was take some paper towels and some mild cleaner and wipe it down. I would never let water anywhere near my CRT

>>9285853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQSq5J6_xWc

>>9285792
People have been washing their boards with soap and water for years. It's not an issue if it's properly dried.

>>9285856
I'm banging my head watching that. There was absolutely no need for her to submerge the entire unit inside and out with a water hose.

All she needed to was take a slightly damp handbrush and clean off the exterior. Then clean the interior with a dry brush, vaccum, and air canister.

>OK I'm gonna put it back together let it dry off for a week.
>TEE HEE I'm impatient. Let's turn it ON after 1 day while it's still wet.
>wHY iS the scrEeN mesSed up??
>wHy arE the SpEakers not workinG??
>whY do the ButTons not work RighT??

GEE lady. Maybe if you didn't try to turn it on after ONE day of air drying it might have worked better. Maybe if you left it disassembled and let everything properly air dry over a week or two weeks it would be better.

But instead you plugged it in after 1 day with it still wet. Now it's fucked.

>>9285913
Good news is it was just a Sanyo

>>9285902
>It's not an issue if it's properly dried.
Rust is always an issue with electronics

>>9285856
She totally fucked up her speakers. If they were busted before, she definitely fucked her speakers by spraying it with a water hose.

>>9285856
>sprays entire unit with a garden hose.
>sprays interior of unit with an ocean of water
>at the end of the video she calls the TV a fucking piece of shit for not working right.

Kek. Does this lady have autism or something?

>>9285916
And corrosion, before that. 90-99% IPA and a soft, non conductive brush are enough for most jobs. Compressed air is useful for the large dust particles. Even if I felt the need to take a board and wash it by thoroughly soaking it it would be with IPA and not soap and water.
Steve from RetroTech did a video hosing off his small red Samsung tube that apparently had a rat infestation at one point, but he was just hosing down the tube, not the boards, which makes a little more sense to me.
8-bit guy told his audience to put their expensive arcade boards in the dishwasher and at least one guy did just that. His boards are working fine but I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly start fucking up.

>>9285913
She did say she merely was curios if they could get it to work, clearly didn't really care much about the TV.
But despite all the bullshit the TV went through, it still worked. Electronics can survive some ridiculous things, but sometimes they die if you look at them wrong.

Not saying hosing CRT is something you should do, or was common, but it was done and tubes did survive it. So a TV left in the rain almost certainly still just works.

>>9285935
>Steve from RetroTech did a video hosing off his small red Samsung tube
Was about to post this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZoBMus55Ke0

>>9285928
I mean, it's obvious she's at least aspie of some degree.
But that's not exactly a bad thing.

>>9285942
>she
Looks like Otacon

>>9285942
>>9285945
I'm actually doubting myself here, is she actually a she? Sounds like one, but dresses up like a man, but face could be either.

>>9285294
Fondly remembered
>>9285304
What is that
>>9285323
Never heard of it. This Jurassic Park game is hard as fuck. Got it for cheap on ebay cause I loved watching a friend play it at his house

>>9285916
Modern boards can withstand corrosion pretty well, so unless electrolytic fluid or sea water spills over the board, and is left unchecked, it will be fine.

>>9286037
These aren’t modern boards

>>9285964
Fire emblem 5 thracia 776...

>>9285059
You playing that on megadrive? Very based. I just picked up a copy of this after being obsessed with this meme since I was a kid. Had to do it.

>>9284320
My Granny, who gave me the 'D' TV I have been posting had this EXACT model for years holy shit. Thank you for posting this. That little panel in the top right fucked up and she would put scotch tape to hold it up. This TV has so much SOUL

>>9286043
Didnt know we were dealing with ancient boards that dont even have any coating.

>>9284320
I played on a console TV set like this all the way up until the PS2 era and even back then I knew it was shit, I'd hate to see what that set would look now. I'll gladly take my 14" silver early 00s TV over a heap like this any day and fuck you for implying that's wrong.
It's funny how most people interested in CRTs now value image quality and input selection but if things were left up to you we'd all be using RF only GARBAGE like this. Well fuck you, buddy.

>>9286179
You put solder mask on all your component and joints do you?

>>9284348
should be just fine, if not I'm sure you could make it work with a little tinkering
If you have any spare electronics around it's likely you already have an RCA socket you could rip out of something else

>>9286193
Not him, but you could just replace the CRT inside the unit with something newer. I thibk anon was implying that CRT units need to be presented well. Not like a junky thing that you throw on floor or somewhere else.

>>9286360
Won't matter much unless you replace the boards as well. Of course it would be cool to have a giant console TV around if it actually looked good and had all of the inputs you'd want but fact of the matter is it would be useless to a lot of us without a real healthy amount of work and a donor CRT. If this is his point then he can't rightfully get upset when no one else wants to make this project of his a reality. As it is console sets just aren't what most are interested in and it's with good reason.

Is there any way to get csync out of xrandr? The modeline flag isn’t working

>>9284320
Holy shit, I think I had this exact tv when I was a kid. I was told it was a "gas monitor" and we got it for free through a friend of the family who was throwing it away. I wish I still had it, the picture and sound was amazing (to me).

>>9286496
Can't you just join the HV sync yourself?

>>9286193
I am not the anon you are replying to but I played all my consoles on a RF connection growing up. From SNES to PS2, everything I played was RF connections. Get on my level scrub. You clearly don't care about playing the games.

>>9286551
Yeah but I don’t have the circuitry handy. The problem fixed itself, though: apparently my old monitor actually only wanted the hsync, and I can get it to lock in with just the h and v hold knobs.

>>9286572
>From SNES to PS2, everything I played was RF connections. Get on my level scrub.
No one but you desires to be that retarded.

>>9286606
This is why people don't like you or this CRT general. You are elitists that think 1990s CRTs are the only way. Well I played on an old 1980s CRT floor model on an RF connection at my grandmas house for most of my childhood. And I was fine with it. I'm starting to doubt you people are even in it for the games. You are just CRT fetishists and actually don't care about playing the games any way possible.

>>9286623
When it comes to video quality we have a choice in the matter and if you choose to use an RF connection and make your games look like shit that's your own retarded business and I won't try to stop you, but you can't expect most anyone else to be OK with that, especially not when you're in a thread full of people who enjoy CRTs and getting good image quality out of them. It's not elitism, I really don't care if that's how you choose to ruin your games, but you honestly just can't expect people to be fine with what is in reality the worst available option.

>>9286623
Nobody cares if you play on a 1980s TV, thats fine, we're just annoyed you came in here shitting on everyone with 2000s sets. If you like the RF look more power to you.

>>9286572
I cant imagine playing something like San Andreas with an RF cable, even with composite that game looks dark, washed out and ugly.

>>9286623
Agreed. I thought this a crt nostalgia thread which I fully support. But instead I read retarded arguments about image quality and response time being better than modern gaming monitors. And anons shitting on older vintage crt tvs. I do not support that.

>>9286634
>image quality
Hundreds of Millions of children played with these. Image quality doesn't matter. Gameplay is what matters.

>>9286650
If gameplay is all that matters why are you trolling to bump limit a thread about DISPLAY hardware? This is asinine. You're being an elitist over playing on 70s sets and then accusing this general of being elitist when they tell you to shut up.

If youre going to backpedal all the way to "image quality doesnt matter at all", why are you even here?

>>9286656
because he wanted to bask in muh nostalgia
he's upset we're all not reliving his childhood with him

>>9286663
This whole board is nostalgia

>>9284461
I unironically like this design. I would pay for a version where can connect my Sega Genesis to it

>>9284461
>>because we care about the image output,
>Bullshit. If that were true you would have moved on to LCD screens by now.
anon...

>>9284778
>esports aren't playing analog signal games
They play a shit ton of 1990s to 2000s fighting games on gaming flat panels. You have no idea what you speak of.

>>9286656
>bump limit a thread
Oh no the bump limit! How scary! Lulz

>>9286650
>SD content looks better on CRT which all retro games are
>muh nostalgia

>>9286743
Ask any person who plays those old fighter how much better it is when they use CRT’s
You are the one who has no idea what he’s talking about

>>9286756
of course there is nostalgia involved, that's a huge part of this entire board. even when zoomers are into it, they're tapping into a wider cultural nostalgia, in the same way my friends and i were when we were really into classic rock and 70s and 80s films in the late 90s/early 2000s

>>9284436
i play a lot of games via rf and also watch old movies on a 5" b&w crt while i game

>>9284250
i like how video games and movies look on it

>>9284250
Less input lag and looks better. Also nostalgia.

>>9286758
>You are the one who has no idea what he’s talking about
I literally play in these tournaments with older games being displayed on flat panels. What's your experience?

Monochrome crts, yes no?

>>9286819
Then you should know some games are played on CRT’s

>>9286826
Why?
Do any of them even still work

>>9286830
course

>>9286826
>Monochrome crts, yes no?
Hell yeah. Absolutely.

>>9286826
Don’t they burn in easily?

>>9272924
warm and fuzzy just like cat

Temporary placement but hey, it works!

>>9286919
what game is that?
A port of the arcade game?

Found a pic of what happens when you put composite through a series of shit ports and cables.
Its amazing there comes out an image at all

>>9285715
>>9285762
Update: Finally got a proper look at the CRT now that it's not raining, didn't see any place to put AV cables, so it was a bust. So close, yet so far now. Guess I'll have to test my luck somewhere else, or buy one online if I legitimately have to.

>>9280160
I like with CRT monitors, that I can set it to 100hz to watch old British sitcoms.

>>9286919
Damn, that looks good.

>>9284461
Wegas are a work of art.

>>9284761
First off, sitting on your ass playing games is not a sport.
Second, the 4:3 ratio is better for games where you need more space to look up or down.

>>9286978
>shit ports and cables.
like what?

>>9286826
no

>>9286840
Ones built for computers, which have slow phosphors to display text without flicker, will burn in more easily. Portable tvs probably burn-in the same as color ones.

In your opinion what's the best interface for an RGB mod? I'm leaning more torwards BNC or Sony's DB25 RGB port, but I can't decide. I'll be rolling my own vables, so cable availability isn't a concern for me.

>>9287759
BNC. Trivial to adapt RCA to, used in all high end cables. SCART is shit for its meme factor encouraging really shit cables. BNC also has a ton of options for accessories shart does not.

PAL Megadrive games are very poorly scaled

GET REAL

>>9272821
My thumb hurt

>>9287908
El goblino reddito…

>>9287637
broken in half scart cable port with the pins shoved into RCA jacks

>>9272821
>>9272821
Been starting to build up my retro setup after years of living light. Trying to actually create a comfy space for myself. Early stages but damn its getting comfy.

CRT is kinda trash picture. Will upgrade once I got some other stuff in order.

>>9281683
brother look up some configurable shelves. they are cheap. Come flatpack and make as much space as you need.

Get off the floor you goblin!

>>9285059
dude I found a boxed pal zero wing last month. The funny meme was worth the price.

>>9288163
Anon please clean up and tidy organize that clutter. Especially if you are gonna post here. We don't need to add to the reputation that CRT users are dirty old hoarders.

>>9288173
>anon says they have no money for shelves
>buys anime girl figures and puts them ontop of CRT on floor

Ugh.......

>>9281683
>TV and consoles on floor
>consoles stacked on top of each other
>floor is carpeted
Get some shelving you fucking animal

mini crt

>>9288398
This made me have a realization that 4chan is old enough that most people were browsing it on CRT monitors.

>>9288392
Very interesting. I respect it. What is it used for?

>>9288398
I got an lcd a few months after I started lurking the chans in 2007.

Would it be dumb to get this on ebay for $100~ plus shipping? I plan to play retro pc games like Doom, Wolfenstein, The Sims, Roller Coster Tycoon, Fallout, Diablo, The Elder Scrolls II etc. running on Windows XP. This CRT website says it’s “entry level” https://crtdatabase.com/crts/dell/dell-e773s

>>9288662
Yes it’s retarded, one of those is definitely sitting in your neighbor’s attic. It would be easy to find an equivalent monitor anywhere in the world

>>9288668
But it’s right there… no I guess that’s consoomer thinking.

>>9288674
50% chance LeDarius drops it during shipping and then it’s over

So, I have a worn 14L5 and a perfectly functional 14M4U. The latter's tube can be used into the former.
Should I do the stupid thing Im thinking about?

>>9288728
tube swapping is easier than people expect

>>9288398
Thanks for this one. Always wanted to see something modern on a Apple IIgs monitor

>>9288741
It is, but the yoke will need to be swapped.

>>9288778
I think if he wants to swap tubes and fully understands exactly the amount of danger, safety precautions, and work involved, he should go for it, but replacing and adjusting a yoke is 100% not something that someone who doesn't already have experience inside of CRTs should be doing so it just depends.

Can anybody id the model/general time frame this Sony was released? I currently have 3 crts and my 19 inch Sony from the late 90s is by far my favorite, hoping this is the same kind but bigger. Popped up on Craigslist free tonight

>>9289057
looking at the tiles, it's probably around 19"

>>9289071
They claim 34 in the ad, honestly was looking more for the year and model # so I could see how many systems I could plug into composite/if it has s-video and

>>9288662
>Would it be dumb to get this on ebay for $100~ plus shipping?
Incredibly dumb. Just look at Craigslist or your local marketplace listings. I guarantee you someone still has one near you. Don't spend $100 on this.

Does anyone know if the B&O MX3500 has RGB? It has 2 SCART ports but nothing on the online manuals say anything about them using it.

Currently deciding on one right now but it's no real deal breaker.

>>9289147
Pretty sure all TV's with SCART have RGB

>>9289147
Yes it is RGB SCART.

>>9289157
Nope, some low-end budget models are composite only, even via SCART.
Sometimes they lack the RGB pins in the SCART connector, so that's one way to spot such sets. Or just use a sync-on-luma cable, you'll get a BW picture.

>>9289298
can you post one?
I thought some SCART cables are missing RGB pins but I've never seen a set that uses SCART that doesn't do RGB

>>9289057
19' Trinitrons from the late 90s are some of the better consumer sets made, some of the best tubes. They're not going to have the inputs you want but you could RGB mod them if you wanted. I grew up with one and loved it, if I planned on RGB modding or even if I just decided to use a lot of composite stuff I'd really be looking out for one of these.

>>9288662
This is the shittiest, the cheapest CRT monitor ever found in america. It came with Dell computers. Those are everywhere, they're trash.

>>9289551
its actually a perfectly fine Monitor but not worth 100$

>>9289652
>its actually a perfectly fine Monitor but not worth 100$
It's trash. Chunghwa tube, shitty electronics, no proper high voltage regulation.

>>9288494
Letting gnomes play SNES with equally tiny controllers

>>9288494
it was used as a viewfinder for camcorders originally.

>>9288876
I can align yokes just fine, but the issue with this monitor is that theres not much room...

>>9289147
It does, if it doesn't work the previous owner set the ports to s-video for whatever reason, the mx3500 is just a earlier version of the 4000 which was only on sale for a few years.
>>9289298
>>9289326
>some low end models
>bang and olufsen
>low end
It mores the age that you'd want to worry about for rgb, early 80's sets usually have a scart port only wired for composite since basically nothing used rgb except in the professional field.

>>9289862
I never said anything about B&O being low end. There are models like that, but this probably isn't one of them.
I think one 14" budget CRT from the 2000s that I had didn't support RGB over SCART, but I'd have to find it and check it.
Also, I remember testing a 90s Trinitron that would only show a BW picture no matter which SCART port I used with sync-on-luma cables, but that would be weird for a Sony, so it might've been broken or just set for composite somehow. On a Trinitron you usually just have to cycle through the inputs to get to the RGB mode and I surely wouldn't have missed it though.

Little early for a replay but I was in the mood

>>9288773
it was actually fairly easy, since this monitor takes standard rgbs 15khz. i don't think that's true of any other apple display

Got a free KV32S12 Trinitron last night with the stand. Nearly fucking died getting it into the house. But, I'm fine and it still works!

>>9272821
My mom was watching tv on CRT today and she said there was a loud bang, the tv shifted to green colors and started smoking. What was the cause? Is the smoke the worst of it or did it release the toxic shit like cadmium into the house?

>>9289781
Yeah I don't know anon. Do they share the same tube?

>>9290662
something arced probably somewhere near the yoke. Might be an easy fix if it didn't kill the tv and you know how to work with high voltage but you might make yourself infertile if you don't know what you're doing

>>9290673
As for adjusting a yoke in a mess like that it's possible but you'll likely want to move a lot of those boards out of the way while still having them connected as best you can. It won't be an easy job but it's possible to do.

>>9290674
Thanks. I am not going to try to repair a CRT. I know if you don't know what you are doing you can an hero on discharge. My worry are the toxic elements in the tv, if the horrible smell is just the burning of the plastic etc. or the toxic shit as well and what likelihood is it that it's the toxic shit.

>>9290683
Does it smell fishy? It could be a blown cap

>>9290686
Just a horrible burned plastic smell that is still getting vented out. When I carried the tv out it didn't make any noises.

>>9290698
Yeah you're probably not going to know what it is unless you open it up and take a look. Could be a simple fix or something you wouldn't want to fuck with at all. If you have no plans on repairing it you should find a way to get rid of it.

>>9290662
>loud bang
capacitor exploded
>tv shifted to green colors
this is how I know the flyback didn't crack because there was still video and no sizzling sound. And not a short circuit since no breaker thrown.
>started smoking
exploded cap
>Is the smoke the worst of it
Yes
>did it release the toxic shit like cadmium into the house?
Absolutely not. You have nothing to worry about it. Toss the CRT in the dumpster or take it to a recycling place if you want to be a good citizen.

>>9290674
This is also possible from the TV being handled roughly or just being shit quality to begin with. Arc would probably throw a breaker tho. Unless your house doesn't have such a thing.

>>9290786
Thank you anon, much appreciated.

>>9290195
Too early indeed but I replayed it 3 months ago so I am even more guilty than you.

Is there a chance that this little fella can output RGB, or is it too old/too cheap to be able to?
I need something small and ideally with RGB SCART, pretty hard to find.