/vr/ - Retro Games

OP here, posted the wrong image sorry, but Path of Radiance and Sword of Seals are good too

>>9252312
>that's considered /vr/?
Any Fire Emblem that isn't /vr/ wouldn't be in consideration for "best" anyway. That said the best for pure game play is 7

>>9252317
The holy Jugdral-Elibe-Tellius alliance

As a lifelong hardcore FE fan, I have been unable to determine any favourite. I have some issues with certain games and some do things better than others, but I am unable to say that any of them really objectively stand above all the others. It's an amazingly consistent series(until the dark times) and the fact that people have such wildly different favourites attests to that. Game-specific tribalism and contrarianism stems purely from internet mental illness and has no basis in the games themselves.

Three Houses is the only one worth playing

>>9253471
You are literally the only reasonable and rational Fire Emblem fan, thank you for existing

>>9253746
I know. I don't associate with the others - not anymore. Not since the dark times began.

>>9253472
This is the worst opinion in the thread. Feel free to disregard it.

>>9253472
How can somebody be this wrong?

>>9254065
>>9254495
It's bait, don't even talk about it

>>9252312
Because apparently it's selling for upwards of $350 dollars a copy.

I just can't get into genealogy. I know people praise it for a lot of reasons but why the large maps? It just feels like a slog to me and the only way to make non mounted units viable is to know ahead of time what part of the map is about to open or what event will happen next

>>9252407
Awakening and Three Houses are kino, dumb nostalgia fag

>>9253471
>(until the dark times)
Opinion discarded

>>9255126
Three houses is 80% pointless busy work. It's tedious beyond belief. Don't respond to me because I won't argue further

>>9252312
I'm a huge fan of all three GBA titles, replayed them endlessly, didn't like Path of Radiance and I never tried any others. Also, I appreciate FE talk on /vr/, they're weird in the /feg/ threads in /vg/

>>9252312
Radiant Dawn is 10 times better. It's almost as good as one of the SNES ones or GBA ones. Path of Radiance is pure shit is so many ways: character designs, graphics, sound, game length, gameplay. It's like they took the other game they were developing simulataneously with PoR, Sacred Stones, and asked "What can we take away from this and still get rubes to buy it (just because it's in 3D)?"

>>9255201
Funny because I feel the exact opposite. Sacred Stones would have to be my least favorite Fire Emblem. I don't care about any of the characters, the story is boring and the maps are bland. But I could forgive all that if it wasn't just so piss easy

>>9255170
>I appreciate FE talk on /vr/, they're weird in the /feg/ threads in /vg/
They're just trying to larp as massive coomers with some genuine coomers thrown in. It's just kind of cringe and unfunny though. Even an actual pervert, mangs made fun of them

>>9255216
Why is the only good content mangs makes is the stuff that includes mekkah? And why is mekkah's content better? Wait, I think I've figured it out

>>9255220
They're content together is much better than when they're apart. Mangs needs someone to call out how bad he is and rein in some of his cringe shit and Mekkah's content is too dry and lifeless.

I like the big maps. But overall think Thracia is better and more engaging.

>>9255126
>OMG KINO SWITCH GAME THE VIBES Y’ALL BING BING WAHOO
Zoomers, every time

>>9253471
>>9253472
These two posts in sequence sent me into another dimension for about 5 seconds

>>9255236
>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
larpers, every time

>>9255223
True they have a good chemistry together. Mekkah is great at the game though, he's taught me some things

>people unironically praise and defend tellius garbage
Guess it's true that people who post on this board weren't even alive when games were actual.

I regret seeing this thread on the front page, and hope you all will have a bad day

>>9255274
There's nothing wrong with the Tellius games apart from the 3d models in Path of Radiance which got massively improved in Radiant Dawn

>>9253315
based
easily the best games, FE3 is nice too though

>>9255274
I love Radiant Dawn(although I can understand why some people don't) but what's so bad about Path of Radiance to merit such a response?

6 is my favorite personally.
It's like 7 but without all the long-winded hand-holdy stuff.

>>9252317
I kneel, finally someone with good taste.

>>9255274
Obligatory game bad post

I've played them all, they're mostly all the same and they mostly suck. The only ones I like are Genealogy of the Holy War and Three Houses.

>>9252317
This is the correct opinion.

>>9256865
You played 14 games of a series you don't like? What kind of autism is this?

I'm playing the original right now. I'm honestly surprised by how well it holds up.

>>9256771
The music in 6 is bad and extremely repetitive though

>>9259012
Beneath a New light is a banger though

>>9259297
Right, so why are we saddled with Beyond the Sky for half the damn game? It's infuriatingly bad

I fucking hate fire emblem

>>9259597
That's OK

>>9259613
Thanks

>>9255170
>they're weird in the /feg/ threads in /vg/
How bad can it be? Is it the post-Awakening shit that stink the place up?
You gotta be pretty weird to regularly post on a general anyway, I should know, I'm in several

>>9259664
>Is it the post-Awakening shit that stink the place up?
It's just over the top waifu posting with an obsession with feet and armpits.

Unrelated but I'm playing final fantasy tactics and made my whole team black mage/calculators with holy negating chameleon robes and I just fuck everything up. Are there any tough battles or big bosses immune to holy I should worry about? What do I do then? Flare?

>>9255126
Awakening was the last Fire Emblem game I played. It was so shit that I quit the franchise entirely.

>>9259652
I love fe7 :)

>>9252312
>>9252317
What's the best place to start with this series?

>>9259840
No, if you have calculators than you are more prepped than 90% of players and way ahead of where the game expects you to be. you are mostly likely past the hardest parts.

Does Mystery of the Emblem make the first game obsolete?

>>9256923
I really want to like them, but I don't.

>>9260283
It took you like 14 x 60 hours minimum to realize it's not for you?

>>9260139
Fire Emblem 7, just known as "Fire Emblem" in the west, has a short tutorial campaign. If you don't have much experience with the genre, it might be a good starting place. It's pretty self-contained so you don't have to stress about making mistakes that would impact you all game. Characters who "die" in this campaign are just injured and don't return for the rest of the tutorial campaign but still return for the main campaign afterwards. Stats carry over, but the main campaign is balanced to be fine without the stats carry over so again, you don't have to worry too much.

If you feel confident enough in the genre that a short tutorial campaign doesn't sound appealing, any of the GBA games or Path of Radiance would be a fine starting place, on the /vr/ side. I'm leaving out the SNES and earlier titles because 4 is quite different from the rest of the series and 5 is quite hard. 1 2 3 might feel a little old, but depending on your tastes and willingness to read up on mechanics, 3 might be a fine too.

>>9260281
It's an abridged remake that's missing some chapters and characters so I wouldn't call it obsolete. I prefer playing Mystery of the Emblem anyway, though.

>>9260396
Doesn't the DS game also remake the first one but much more fleshed out

>>9255232
i'm playing this atm and enjoying it greatly

Has anyone actually played those Kaga games? Are they worth it?

>>9261025
I like the mechanics but would play a 'remade' game allowing trade or a shared gold pool. Albeit those mechanics are game defining, I think a good experience still be there with some update on them. Interface, at least.

>>9261021
It's a more faithful remake with quality of life improvements like being able to check enemy ranges, better battle prep and weapon forging. There's also a reclass function but I never got much out of that apart from changing the paladin into a Dracoknight.
The weirdest thing though is that it has extra chapters but you can only access them if most of your army is dead. So the first extra chapter is 6X to get it you have to have lost 12 units. Absolutely baffling

>>9261027
Tearring Saga is basically like Fire Emblem Gaiden, you play as 2 lords with their own separate paths before uniting, the difference is Lord A plays like a classic Fire Emblem game where you follow a linear path while Lord B gets to freely wanders the map and can freely grind for monsters.

Berwick Saga is a different beast altogether. Tired of how almost every Fire Emblem game including the modern ones plays exactly the same? You'll love Berwick Saga.

>>9261021
Don't listen to >>9261079, it's absolutely not a faithful remake outside of story. Yes, while the QoL is nice but it is very different in terms of balance and especially mechanics. They turned it into more generic Fire Emblem mechanics rather than the things that made it unique such as the weapon level system, units that were good are now really bad (including Marth who went from overpowered to horrible) and other various things. It's not bad, but I would recommend Mystery of the Emblem's Book 1 remake over the DS remake because it's the best middle ground from the original as it still retains its mechanics while still having decent enough QoL.

>>9261027
To add a bit to what >>9261258 said, Tear ring saga is if you took FE1-FE13 and fused them all together. The world map structure of it is heavily influenced by FE2 though.

>>9260395
>FE7 has a short tutorial campaign
You won't think that once you've played it the first time

>>9261719
You can skip it after you beat it the first time. I have beaten it 5 times in the last 15 years because I always lose saves but still.

>>9262102
>>9261719
I actually like Lyn's little story. I just wish the hard mode for it was actually hard

>>9255274
The Gamecube Fire Emblems are the very reason I dropped the franchise. Such a major downgrade from the GBA titles and I lost momentum to care since.

>>9263514
Path of Radiance is a much better game than Sacred Stones

>>9261704
>it's absolutely not a faithful remake outside of story
Neither is New Mystery of the Emblem, which introduces one of the biggest banes of the franchise: the player Avatar unit. If anything, it's not even faithful in story anymore.

>>9262871
This is what goes through my head every time I play it. A short super hard campaigns would be great.

>>9263858
>>9262871
I know he's a complete piece of shit but Mangs made a rebalance for 7 and the Lyn mode in that is actually challenging

>>9262102
I'm a completionist FE player though, I can't skip it

>>9263525
I like Sacred Stones. Best music, but it's too short and straightforward. Without the rankings and weird gaiden chapter requirements it just feels a bit simple.

>>9264110
Then play it on hard mode where there's no tutorial. What do you think you're really missing by not doing it? Be careful here because there's only one right answer

>>9264117
>Best music
I have to disagree with you there. I'm not saying I hate the music but I think 7 has better music. It's recruitment them is also pretty shit. It would be the worst if not for Awakening

>>9259840
>>9260242
Just beat the game the other day. Very interesting combat, as for gameplay it's probably better than fire emblem but I'm not a big fan of the isometric and the translation was pretty bad, I had no idea what was going on most of the time since the story was more complicated than the dialogue could convey.

Definitely a classic though, although I like fe4 more, probably fe5 also but haven't played yet

enjoyed the GBA ones but didn't like the look of the GC one, the colours look very drab to me

>>9264968
If you want to see drab look at the DS games sometime

>>9255126
> Three Houses
That was the visual novel one, right? Didn't seem to have any battles in the first couple hours, never went back to find out.

>>9265524
dire emblem
advance wars did the same thing with days of ruin

>>9265565
Yeah and it killed the franchise for 13 years. Fire Emblem almost went the same way but Awakening saved it

>>9264129
>recruitment theme is also pretty shit
No way man FE8 has way better tracks. Battle preparations, powerful foe, the battle must be won, etc. Even the general player and enemy turn map tunes are better

>>9263525
>meh maps
>truncated classes
>dumb beast classes / mechanic
>got rid of fucking shamans lmao
>removed the kino world map
>ugly as FUCK
>animations disgraceful
>became even EASIER with how much shit you could do at home base, making you extremely overpowered beyond anything I've ever seen

Path of Radiance only has a better story, which Radiant Dawn shat all over anyway

>>9265949
>>became even EASIER with how much shit you could do at home base, making you extremely overpowered beyond anything I've ever seen
Really? More overpowered than what you can get at the Tower of Grinding and the world map that's let's you buy whatever you want whenever you want?

>>9263526
New Mystery is probably the only Fire Emblem I legitimately don't like because of the avatar and story changes. I can accept something like Fates suffering for the avatar, but shoe-horning a bad one into a story that used to be good? Pisses me off.

>>9265949
>meh maps
As is entirety of sacred stones.
>truncated classes
And most of the games that came before and after except sacred stones
>dumb beast classes / mechanic
Valid, done better than RD tho
>got rid of fucking shamans lmao
This sucks, I agree shamans are zased
>removed the kino world map
World map is retarded shit and not necessary
>ugly as FUCK
Definitely personal opinion. I love the art for the characters but the 3d models, world and stuff are eh.
>animations disgraceful
>plays with animations that take forever.
>became even EASIER with how much shit you could do at home base, making you extremely overpowered beyond anything I've ever seen
OK you are fucking dumb if you think bexp makes you more op than the fucking tower of valni get real son. Infinite resources vs finite it is as simple as that
>Path of Radiance only has a better story, which Radiant Dawn shat all over anyway
Agreed

Also you forgot how the characters are lackluster compared to POR, and how the world was so boring it was the only one they never came back to

>>9265565
I love Days of Ruin despite its shortcomings because it fixes the biggest problem the series had, the CO power piwer creep. Just give me a classic Advance Wars game with the CO power system of Days of Ruin

For me, it's Radiant Dawn

>>9266270
There's nothing I love more in Radiant Dawn than defeating the Greil mercenaries with the Dawn Brigade or smacking around the entire brigade and the Black Knight with Haar and a hammer

>>9265830
FE8 without a doubt had the best music of the GBA games, really captures that feeling of dire heroism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xDepSmzhrY&list=PL8315D4FC511B2FEF&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOSDVKkRU8c&list=PL8315D4FC511B2FEF&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ314mLgJCc&list=PL8315D4FC511B2FEF&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLIQP9FCQGA&list=PL8315D4FC511B2FEF&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAKaa6tfP6A&list=PL8315D4FC511B2FEF&index=13

>>9266358
>FE8 without a doubt had the best music of the GBA games
Thanks friend. I thought that went without saying. It's a shame the GBA has such shitty sound quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf0CwBVFcPg&ab_channel=VladK

>>9266450
>>9266358
Yeah but no Together We Ride so it loses

>>9266487
Facts

>>9252407
Awakening brought in a lot of newfags and waifufags and now they're old enough to make up a majority of the fandom and dictate shit
Echoes was decent enough though

>>9265545
Aren't they all VN's now? Three Houses literally makes you have tea time with them, it makes sense that this series crossovered with SMT since they're both Persona now

Play romhacks.
I want to completely remake this chart soon because some other anon made an Advance Wars romhack chart inspired by this one that looks way fucking better, and I also just need to add more romhacks to this chart.

Give me suggestions for any hacks missing, preferably original story romhacks that are at least mostly complete.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kexji2hh5kcq1yz/FE%20Romhacks.zip?dl=0

And here's that Advance Wars chart if anyone is interested

>>9267697
Are there any that aren't filled with cringe garbage dialogue?

>>9267934
Iron Emblem basically has no dialogue and is pure gameplay.

>>9266235
>OK you are fucking dumb if you think bexp makes you more op than the fucking tower of valni get real son. Infinite resources vs finite it is as simple as that
I'm talking about how home base Battle Preparations just gives you everything you need and shit to just buy whatever you want, and how you can just upgrade gear (Weapon Forging) in such a braindead fashion. It made the game for me even easier than having a world map to grind and being able to go back to previous item shops. Don't forget the Bonus Experience too.

Also I remember being flooded with most cash I ever had in Path of Radiance, but it has been a while

>>9266029
>>9266235
>OK you are fucking dumb if you think bexp makes you more op than the fucking tower of valni get real son. Infinite resources vs finite it is as simple as that
I'm talking about how home base Battle Preparations just gives you everything you need and shit to just buy whatever you want, and how you can just upgrade gear (Weapon Forging) in such a braindead fashion. It made the game for me even easier than having a world map to grind and being able to go back to previous item shops. Don't forget the Bonus Experience too.

Also I remember being flooded with most cash I ever had in Path of Radiance, but it has been a while

>>9268293
I think you're arguing from a faulty position. You've probably played Sacred Stones on it's hardest difficulty but not PoR. Maniac mode was taken out of the game for the western release. Even with the base advantages Sacred Stones is laughably easy in comparison

>difficultyfagging in retro FE
They're all easy, play romhacks or newer FE if you want difficulty retards.

>>9267348
>Three Houses literally makes you have tea time with them
I only recall one mandatory tea time in the whole game. Aside from that, it's fully optional and only adds support points.

>>9267697
As someone who enjoys the Player Phase focus of FE6 Hardmode over FE7s Enemy Phase focus, which ones are best for me?

>>9268993
Probably Order of the Crimson Arm or Dark Lord and the Maiden of Light. Dlatmol in particular makes 1-2 weapons very rare so it's never really a good idea to just park your best unit with a 1-2 weapon in the middle of some enemies on their phase since you get so few of them. Also there's some enemies later on you really don't want attacking you in enemy phase.

Crimson Arm has really player-phase focused early maps but later on you can steamroll pretty hard if you got some good levels on your units. As for other hacks I haven't played all of them but I've heard Eligor's Spear and Storge are pretty difficult and player-phase focused.

Langrisser > Fire Emblem

>>9269512
Which one should I play first?

>>9269521
Langrisser II on the Mega Drive

Post your favorite retro FE unit
Hard mode: Post your favorite romhack unit

>>9269521
Langrisser 1 or "Warsong" as it was called here for the Mega Drive

>>9269512
>>9269549
IV is the pinnacle and V is basically a whole game for the final chapter of IV. So yeah start with II, then if you like it go back to I then play IV. Alternatively you can get the new Steam release of I&II and play in order, then jump to IV.

The games are incredible and really make fire emblem look fucking sad, especially because the FE characters have no sex or romance and Langrisser is balls to the wall with that stuff. You even can get a real waifu that gets special cutscenes and voice cues.

Also, hilariously, the mobile game "Langrisser M" is really well done and tons of fans, including myself, enjoy it. It has some gatcha but it's so fucking fun to play.

>>9271043
And that's despite the monocle

>>9271054
>Alternatively you can get the new Steam release of I&II and play in order
But they don't play at all like their original games and are more generic mechanically.

>>9271054
>The games are incredible and really make fire emblem look fucking sad, especially because the FE characters have no sex or romance and Langrisser is balls to the wall with that stuff. You even can get a real waifu that gets special cutscenes and voice cues.
Nigger what FE4 is literally all about romance and marriage and even the first FE game has Marth getting married to Caeda at the end.

You've probably never played FE and are just mad there's no threads here about your dead SRPG series so you have to piggyback off FE threads to try and get people to discuss them.

>>9271065
>You've probably never played FE and are just mad there's no threads here about your dead SRPG series so you have to piggyback off FE threads to try and get people to discuss them.
Different anon but Langrisser V was written as a finale and the series should have stayed dead. All the games released after weren't done by the original devs and it shows. Langrisser would be better off completely dead.

>>9271061
>Despite
I think you mean "because"

>>9271118
Kek the monocle is so gay

>>9271217
ur gay

>>9271065
I played FE4, 776, the GBA games, the first GC game, and the DS game with the girl who said Fei a lot. Langrisser is far better in so many ways and yes I still stand by the romance being better, as in FE it's hardly anything.

>>9271065
>>9271360
Also there's a billion threads about FE because it's Nintendo. Don't you notice that /vr/ is a Nintendo board and /v/ is run by kids which Nintendo only makes content for?

>>9260139
Shadow Dragon on DS, is a remake of the first game I think it holds up well and I enjoy the story and characters. It grabs you from the first mission

>>9271360
Except you didn't say Langrisser had better romance than FE you said FE had none. I still don't believe you've played any of the games and you're desperately just trying to pose as someone that has to give your opinion more merit because you know you can't make a Langrisser thread without it dying.

>>9271367
Or maybe it's just because FE is a more popular series.

>>9271356
Yeah but the monocle though. Super gay

>>9252312
Looks stupid

No offense

>>9269156
Cool, thank you, I'll try those out. I played a bit of TactHack before it was finished but that's the only FE romhack I ever played. I'd like to keep up with any new good romhacks, so I'll bookmark the drop box, do you think you could add the image to the dropbox and put "player phase focused" in the descriptions of the hacks?

>>9271752
>do you think you could add the image to the dropbox and put "player phase focused" in the descriptions of the hacks?
I'll consider it but I'd really need to play through every hack to figure out if it's player phase focused and what can be considered player phase focused can be subjective. Typically more difficult hacks tend to be more player-phase focused though.

Adding the image to the dropbox is a good idea though, I'll be sure to do that sometime. I should probably also mention on the image that the main website for finding info about new romhacks is Fire Emblem Universe since that's where the entire western FE romhacking community is these days. Its mods are faggots though so a lot of random creators/hacks get banned.

Fun fact: The chinese FE romhacking community is also huge and constantly steals stuff from western hacks, but they hate the idea of people stealing from them so they've found a way to encrypt their hacks so their assets can't be extracted with usual FE romhacking tools.

>>9271043
Based Myrmidon Chad

>>9269521
Shining Force

>>9272702
BASED

>>9271043
The REAL myrmidon

>>9271065
Look up the character designs for Langrisser and you’ll understand what he meant by “FE characters have no sex”.

>>9274069
But anon how do you explain me wanting to furiously headpat tiki?

>>9273992
>>9273992
You called?

>>9273992
Why does FE6 art look so fucking weird compared to FE7/8 art?

>>9275850
Leftovers from when FE6 was going to be for N64.

>>9274108
>not posting Mareeta or Galzus
Enjoy your silver medal

>>9274069
Believe it or not... tactical rpg fans are not all coomers.

>>9252312
The more I played Fire Emblem, the more I was disappointed by its mechanics. The game sits in this weird space between having the right formula for its original "play through the campaign and deal with the variable growth rates and equipment you can find" and "grind up your favorite/meta heroes and steamroll the game with them." Earlier games were more coherent but lacked the polish that making a dozen games in the genre brings, later games basically encourage you to metagame and grind.

I like monster mode in 8, though. I'd like an FE that's got a shorter campaign, but lots of branching paths in its maps and story. Maybe make some mechanical changes like how experience is distributed (Perhaps have it split between units participating in a battle instead of per-combat to discourage grinding and bad tactics), keep a random seed per character that determines their growths at the start of the game (This way you can't reload to improve growths, by the time you get a clear picture of how someone is going to develop it will be too late to restart), and do some rebalance of weapons to better define each type and make them more exciting to use.

I'm playing FE6 now straight after FE7. How did they get away with making two games that use a lot of the same maps just a year apart?

>>9276293
They don't use a lot of the same maps though

>>9271043
Do enemies count? If not, probably Echidna or Harken.

Zephiel's arc was probably the only time I actually enjoyed the story in a GBA to modern FE game beyond thinking it to be serviceable until 3H. The leadup from him going from a hopeful youth to a bitter adult was great, him being made to continually suffer like many protagonists would except instead of just soldiering on, he essentially just decides to say fuck it and flip the metaphorical table over. I felt like it was a reasonable development of his character with all the shit he had to put up with and his reasoning held just enough truth to be considered plausible unlike some BBEG schemes.

>>9276534
Forgot pic

>>9276197
>tactical rpg fans are not all coomers

The Tellius duology is fucking garbage. How anybody can enjoy those Hand Axe simulators is beyond me.

>>9276293
Can you share which ones you believe are reused? The only one I can think of is FE6's chapter 4 which FE7 uses as a bit of a callback with an older version of the antagonist there.

>>9277829
Funnily enough, that’s the best map in the entire game.

>>9277845
One of the very last maps of 7 has you spending five turns in Ostia to buy as much as you can and possibly recruit Karla in the arena befote the final attack on Dread Isle. It's the exact same map as 6's Chapter 7 with everything but the shops and arena cut off from access.

>>9276293
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 say hi

>>9278124
Oh that's interesting. Hard to use that as a negative example though; it's purely a shopping map and if anything that's just for continuity.

>>9277007
>pic
anon that's sexual harassment. do not project onto me.

>>9277829
What's wrong with axes being good for once?

>>9278124
Holy shit you fucking pathetic faggot. That's a 5 turn preparation chapter before the Endgame and that's the only one that's reused.

>>9278416
Reusing a map isn't even bad. It's a dumb complaint.

>>9278416
It isn't the only one reused.

>>9279134
who cares? you're complaining about nothing

>>9279134
There's literally only 1 map in the entire game that is actually reused and that's the map where you fight Eric. There are two other maps that are similar to FE6 which are the Ostian castle map and the Shrine of seals but you're coming at both from a different angle and the maps are actually different. The prepartion map in Ostia isn't even reused because it's a fraction of the size and the shop layout is different

>>9278350
Nothing. Just another terrible complaint