/vr/ - Retro Games

...IN THE NAVY

you want the chainsaw gringo

>>9265135
GTA 3 is perfect except for the mission where you have to collect the packages the planes drop off and it gives you 5 stars.
The fucking moment you jump off the boat (and take damage because you'll jump in the water before it teleports you to land), the FBI is there with three cars with four dudes each with perfect aim and machine guns.
in the event you can steal that banshee (or go the other route and get lucky stealing a car on the road), the intensity of the chase is nearly impossible to escape. they ram into you with the force of god and WILL blow it up which leaves you to steal another car. this is the hardest part of the mission, as there is a 95 percent chance they will
A. run you over
B. shoot you dead immediately
C. pull you out of any car you happen to be close enough to steal]

almost every other hard mission has a way to cheese it besides this one.

>>9265203
>almost every other hard mission has a way to cheese it besides this one.
Pretty sure there's a spray shop close to land after you're done.

>>9265226
there are two landing spots. it's possible to make it to paynspray, but the fbi will ram you right the fuck off the platform or kill you before you get there.
and since they aren't always marked on the map (at least in the ps2 original), you have to remember how to get there every time.
i've beat it before, it just sticks out as being absurdly difficult with luck being the major factor if you win or not.

>>9265203
I need to finish it. I kept getting filtered by "The Exchange" and now that I looked it up found out it is the last storyline mission

>>9265203
I don't remember the details but there's one mission where you have to do...something...at that shitty truck stop diner by the waterfront, and it's kinda bullshit. The boat package mission feels great by comparison.

When I got my ps2 and gta3 I didn't have a memory card so I probably played the first mission hundreds of times

Which radio music do you feel defines GTA III the most?
For me it's slyder score/neo, I can't imagine playing GTA III without it

>>9265298
The entirety of Rise FM is pretty iconic

>>9265298
Flashback FM for the continuity between Vice City and GTA3. The entire radio station serves as a huge hint along with the "see you in miami" billboard for the location/era of the next GTA, and this continuity continued in Vice City Stories where Toni is an up and coming DJ.
It was incredibly forward thinking and unheard of to do something like this and really made the GTA universe feel "real". Toni's voice is even coarser in GTA3 as she reminisces about being a party girl DJ, the exact character she plays in Vice City. The fact this came out first and they thought this through is just "kino". Spectacular attention to detail and one of those elements that makes the original GTA trilogy the lightning in the bottle it was. This being so cool is why I'd put it at number one.

MSX radio for being exactly like British pirate radio stations.

Rise FM for the exact songs you mentioned. Slyder - Score is debatebly the best song in the game.

K-JAH for playing the only good black people music in the game. Scientist is seriously good stuff.

While I don't listen to Head Radio too much in game, it gets props for nailing late 90's/early 2000's pop music (reminds me of The WB channel, remember that?) and being, as far as I know, all original music created for the game.
Conor & Jay - Change is very "Len".

I think Rise FM or MSX would define GTA3 the most.

>>9265298
xbox/pc best version for custom radio alone.

>>9265515
>K-JAH for playing the only good black people music in the game. Scientist is seriously good stuff
>dismissing Game Radio and classic Royce da 5'9" and Sean Price tracks

GTFO and eat your mayonnaise

>>9265628
fuck game radio and go stack animal dung for your mudhut

island negroes > american negroes

>>9265135
WE'RE GOING TO ARUBA

>>9265135
this is still my favorite one. to me vice city was a huge letdown aside from riding motorycles (and you couldnt even do backflips without falling off). san andreas just went even fuller retard with so much bullshit to do. gta3 had the perfect amount of content that was mostly fun without just being excessive

>>9265515
Vice City functions really well as a prequel to GTA 3 honestly

>>9265679
yeah you could play them in either order and it works seamlessly, but i still prefer release order.

>>9265298
Chatterbox is still the most memorable and funniest station in the whole series

>>9265203
The one where you have to kill that Yakuza guy by running him over is the worst. It's basically a crapshoot whether you get your car blown up instantly by the 10 guys with SMGs or beat it. It's worse on PS2, since the guys had M16s in that version, but either way it took me like 40 tries to beat it.

>>9265687
i just make sure my cartel truck is fully repaired before going in and just make a straight shot at full speed for kenji. it's enough force that even the cars he's in front of will kill him if they ram into him as cartel truck is a heavy vehicle as far as the game's physics are concerned. it's a crapshoot if it works but i can see this taking 40 tries as you'll be leaving the parking garage with your cartel truck near death if you manage it. i just beat this mission again last night and it took about 5 or 6 tries.

>>9265298
chatterbox and flashback

>>9265671
Oh right, you're only allowed to like one kind of music.

Uncultured retard

I only liked playing the story back before Vice City came out. Then the improvements to San Andreas' shooting controls made this feel like shit.
GTA III has great aesthetics though. If only there was a RAGE remake in like 2011 back when R* WOULD do such a thing.

>>9265298
>Which radio music do you feel defines GTA III the most?
MSX FM, of course. It's directly responsible for my love of drum and bass music, too.
>ONE-OH-ONE POINT ONE IS DA BIZNESS!
>>9265676
I'm of the opinion that Vice City needed at least another year of development. It feels like half of a game at times, and is carried primarily by its retro aesthetics and licensed soundtrack.
>>9265687
It's actually quite simple.
>Get rocket launcher from Phil before starting Waka-gashira Wipeout!
>Drive the Cartel Cruiser up to the second-highest level of the parking complex.
>Get out of the Cartel Cruiser and fire the rocket launcher at the part of the "ceiling" where Kenji should be standing.
>Get back into the Cartel Cruiser and hit the ramp on the top level.
>Lose the cops.
>Profit.
When it comes to GTAIII, you're going to have to embrace the cheese.

>>9265298
MSX fully embodies the attitude of GTA III

>>9265687
1. There needs to be SOME witnesses. But you can clear the herd beforehand. Just make sure at least one survives.
2. Make sure your truck is fully repaired.
3. Or just fire a rocket UNDER kenji to kill him and his bros.

For the second mission, it's safer to just hug the waterfront until your'e close, grab the police bribe, and then get to the tower. Most of the time there's enough barriers that the FBI can't get you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRS6_WAtC5M

>>9265869
That's the bitch way to do it, running him over is chadsville

>>9265875
>Not killing the guy who goes on and on about "MAH HONOURABU" in the most dishonourable way possible out of pure spite.
It being a laughably easy way to complete the mission is just icing on the cake.

>>9265891
>>9265875
Something simpler is just driving up and then gunning down most of the goons from afar THEN killing Kenji.

>>9265916
I could never pull that off. The drive-by shooting is too awkward.

>>9265916
They will blow your car up before you can accomplish it in all but the luckiest of cases.
Running him over full speed or the launcher cheese method is more effective. As someone stated earlier, the chad way is running him over.
>>9265863
I like 3/VC shooting controls. Back then everhone wanted something more robust but these days I prefer the arcadey feel it has.

for me? It's the paramedic missions.

>>9266023
>You know the side-mission where the player has to drive carefully to avoid damage, not run over the people they're trying to pick up and make it to the drop-off in time?
>What if they had to do all of that in the vehicle with the most broken handling in the entire game?
>Oh, and they can only pick up three people at a time.

>>9266046
>Oh and dont forget about all the gangs become hostile after an undisclosed point in the game. Have fun!

>>9266049
My biggest problem with gang aggro, besides it effectively cutting you off from certain areas of the game, is that, without a reputation system (like GTA2's), it doesn't make much sense.

>>9266023
>>9266046
They're kinda fun, but the downside is you have to "game" the system since it's so janky if you want to consistently win. Like stake out the beach areas in Vice City around the hospital so that you can pick up people easily. Also, the rewards tend to be pretty game breaking, thus I don't want to do them until after the main missions.

>>9265676
this. most pure gameplay in the series.

>>9266218
>>9265676
Vice City was also the last to have "real" chases. In 3 and VC you could screw up "chase" missions and kill the people early. In San Andreas they introduce chase missions where you have to follow them around and can never catch them or kill them. If you ram them you can't move them.

>>9265298
Head Radio
Because your head,
Needs it, needs it

>>9265687
Use the rocket method from the below floor.

Remember, this game was made from when Rockstar designed games that allowed for outside-the-box solutions.

>>9265676
Mmm...nah.

GTA3 gave many people their first big taste of an open world like that, VC added bikes and refined the system a little bit more, and then SA furthered things by giving you an entire state to explore. It's a natural progression, and should also be noted that it's a good example of developers working to give content. And SA's content is good.

>>9266523
It took me way too long to realise that the host of Head Radio's name, Mike Hunt, is supposed to sound like "my cunt". I thought the joke with him was supposed to be that he plays the most generic pop music while screaming about rock and roll, like many real life radio hosts.

Hopscotch? That's a girls' game.

>>9266523
I will never understand why they call it the rock station when there's no rock to be found.

>>9266915
that's the joke, there's not a single string sound in GTA3

>>9266915
Rock was kind of a nebulous thing in the early 00s. Many pop acts were often broadly labeled as pop/rock when there was no rock to be found. He's also heavily playing up the role of the vapid radio DJ when he's going on about rock around the clock 24/7 dudes. It's the normalfag station, the game gets that and is making fun of it.

I find the name Donald Love to be really hard to pronounce.

>>9266924
Well, there was plenty of mallcore, I guess. Korn and all that bullshit.

>>9265298
I mostly listened to Rise and Double Cleff, but it had to be Chatterbox.

I know it’s not retro, but I wanted to ask. I’ve only played the “retro” GTA games (nothing past Vice City). I loved them. Do you guys thing I’d like GTA 4, or is it way too different?

Anyone played this GTA clone?

>>9266950
I bought GTA4 twice and refunded both times. It was way too slow-moving for me I couldnt stand it.

So what's the best way to play these games now? I still have my copy of San Andreas for PS2, but I don't have 3 or VC and I'd like to play through those games.

>>9266989
New copies for the ps2 should be pretty cheap still

I do love me some GTA III. I've been trying to tweak reshade to give the PC version a colour tone close to the PS2 version (even with skygfx included in re3 it looks notably different) to get that grey/blue shading - particularly evident at night. Nothing scientific, just eyeballing it comparing the game on a real ps2 and crt to my LCD. I think i'm getting fairly close.

>>9266989
I'd say PC version with re3. The PS2 versions run a lot slower than people remember (as in, it will routinely run below 20fps).

>>9266989
don't worry too hard about it. anything that isn't the hd remake is fine.

>>9267001
My local Walmart was still selling those bundles of the three PS2 GTAs up until like 2015 and I don't know why I didn't buy a copy.

>>9266989
PC san andreas with patch and 360 controller mod is the best. Silent Patch and GInput.

>>9266937
That wasn't Anon's point.

>>9266951
never played but i may give it a shot. i'm a sucker for open worlds

renderware does things to me

>>9267006
That’s how we all played it though, and in practice it’s not even noticeable. I’m in the middle of a play through on PS2 right now and I can tell you for certain it extremely rarely goes under 20fps, you only get that kind of choppiness for brief moments when there are tons of explosions or 5 cops ramming into you. It hovers between 20-30.
Post processing effects and color grading are all 100 percent accurate too as you stated. They also made changes to the HUD for PC version.

For purists the best way to play will always be the PS2 releases (on a CRT of course). re3 and reVC are definitely the best way to play on PC though.

>>9267290
>reVC
vice city has a ton of issues that re cant fix, like missing textures and animations. I've looked into it but so far I've only tested "org patch" which fixes the most obscene texture problems found on v1.0 but most mods only work through modloader or cleo which are not compatible with re.

>>9267298
Ah I see, thanks for the heads up. I play them all on PS2 (God’s way) but I played reVC and it was more stable than Retail + mods on my Win10 machine.

>>9266919
flash fm, dumbass

>>9267334
shut up

>>9266780
All the humor in GTA3 was quite subtle compared to later games, for example you only hear either "Michael Hunt", or "Mike". They don't make that joke too obvious, but it's still there to figure out

By GTA:SA, the humor was way too "in your face" to the point of being obnoxious.

>>9265298
Omni Trio - First Contact but only with DJ Timecode MC'ing over it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y227D1u0o8

>>9267290
Worth noting that VC runs a little worse than III on PS2

>>9265135
i remember playing the fuck out of the 3D era games as a kid but maybe it's because i had more fun fucking around on sprees but i just couldn't get into them nowadays.

i felt GTA clones like gun, bully, red dead redemption & true crime had better stories while crackdown, destroy all humans & saint's row were more fun to fuck around in.

>ALRIGHT DROP DOWN!
>GET THAT GUY!
>TAKE. HIM. OUT!
The LCPD in III are the only cops in the GTA series that seem serious, all the cops in other games seem pretty soft in comparison

I NEED TO GET MY NAILS PLUCKED

>>9265298
Lazlo with chatterbox. No question.

>>9267421
Cops are far more aggressive in the later GTA games.

Luv me some GTA III.

>>9267450
Not verbally

>>9265298
Lips 106 and Head Radio for me, it really captures that late-90s and early 2000s pop but actually many of the songs feel appropriately sombre.

I still remember vividly that this was the first song I heard in GTA III when I first saw someone playing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4V-UVApqNE

>>9267450
Play GTA3 again.

>>9267518
Spike strips, popped wheels, and more accurate cops make them more dangerous in later games.

Ask any San Andreas player about how jacked up the cops' accuracy is when leaving a car vs leaving a motorcycle.

>>9267518
>>9267463

>>9265298
>slyder score/neo
Those and Jah Radio's all roster.

>>9266951
No, but we had a translation where Torrente was replaced by the local trash celebrity. Together with voice acting and cutscenes. In hindsight, that kinda added some charm to the trashiness.

>>9266951
LOL

>>9265298
Honestly, the talk radio in each game really shines for me. Excellent writing. The writing in these games is underappreciated.

For some reason GTA3 is the only GTA in which I actually enjoy walking around the city I dont know why.

>>9267876
It's called atmosphere

>>9265135
Impressive graphics and really fun physics, but the gameplay design was a huge step down from GTA 1 and 2.

>>9267876
>>9268017
3 does the "urban loneliness" feel best of the series. Obviously the moody lighting and weather is crucial, but it's also the way your guy is silent, you've no friends, the mission cutscenes are basically just "walk in, get told what to do, walk out", nobody talks to you in the car on missions. All there is in your life is work. Plus you've no real map, so it's harder to get a feel for the size and dimensions of the city, where you are, etc, and you spend more time just wandering around half-lost.

>>9265135
Truly soulful, beyond ambitious, invented a genre.

After all these years, Asuka still the best GTA girl. If Claude had just shot Catalina during that one mission instead of being an idiot, she'd still be alive and he'd get to have nightly threesomes with her and Maria.

>>9268063
>Plus you've no real map
One comes with the game.

>>9268106
What makes you think Claude wanted her?

>>9268106
Counter point: Catalina has booba.

who the fuck lives in these oversized houses?

>>9268113
He obviously has a thing for sadistic, domineering women. He stuck by Catalina's side for years before she betrayed him, and we all know what she's like.

>>9268125
If Claude gave two shits about Asuka, he wouldn't have wasted her brother and subsequently get her killed because of a gang war that HE started. Claude was out for revenge against Catalina, and he used Asuka as a stepping stone, not a partner, at getting to that goal.

>>9268120
Given the game was enormously rushed and shoreside vale was done last it is one of those things they didn't have time to fix I would wager.

>>9268115
Counterpoint: The entire point of the game is to get revenge on her for crossing you, not to run back to her and beg her to take you back.

>>9268137
>Claude was out for revenge against Catalina, and he used Asuka as a stepping stone, not a partner, at getting to that goal.
You're not wrong, which is why the ending cutscene of the mission I initially referred to makes no sense. He spent most of the game's story doing everything he could to get closer to Catalina, including betraying the people he worked with, only to hesitate in exacting his revenge when he caught her by surprise, gun in hand. It's as if he wasn't sure about killing her.

>>9267794

GTA3 will definitely be better than 6

>>9265686
I bet you watch sissy sports like touch football.

>>9268591
It’s going woke and none of the original team are working on it, severe radiation poisoning will be better than GTA6.

>>9268601
I'm not gonna defend woke bs, that's the pendulum swinging to the other extreme, it's unsustainable. But your perspective is probably just as unbalanced, and anachronistic to boot.

"The world's changin', Marc. People're changin'. Music's changin'. Even drugs're changin'."

>>9268615
>I’m not gonna defend woke bs
>I’ll also do nothing to stop it because things change you old dinosaur, btw I watched Trainspotting and I think I’m smart now.

Everything you said is more useless than your penis, I thank the good lord faggots like you don’t procreate.
Fence sitters like you (who have the entire fence post all the way up their gay ass) allow poisoning of the well because you’ll accept any change as acceptable.

>>9268697

>>9268701
lmao gottem

>caring about any newer GTA game
>>>/v/
>corrupting /vr/ to make GTA3 a /vr/ game
Sigh.

>>9268697
This is damn good bait, sir. I can't unpoison the well but I do tell people it's poisoned.

>>9266243
san andreas started the trend of overly scripted "cinematic" missions that newer gta games are full of

>>9268738
You claim regular old GTA is the other side of the extreme. My original post only claims I’d think radiation poisoning would be preferable to GTA6.
What you claimed is that you’ll defend nothing, and what is natural and what people enjoy is anachronistic to the times, therefore giving total credence to the other extreme you claim you aren’t defending. This is why nobody likes a fence sitter, you just become absorbed into whatever power asserts dominance.
TakeTwo has publicly stated GTA6 won’t have stereotypes, will have female protagonist, and they were removing the “frat boy culture” (Did the Houser brothers strike you as frat boys?) from Rockstar. How well has this worked out for everything else they literally force this upon? But you’re right mr introspective genius, we all need to just realize “the time they are a changin’”.
>>9268701
>>9268716
Babysinclairpilled. I’m very happy this is the first thing that came to anon’s heads.

One time I tried just doing a bunch of silly mods on my GTA SA install like replacing the police helicopter with a shopping cart that just falls out of the sky and sits there making helicopter noises
But my favorite mod I did was when I realized that FBI cars always spawn at top speed so they can catch up to you right away, so I set their max speed to be 10000mph so they would spawn and then rocket off into the distance

>>9269069
I have an install of III with the winter city mod that I play through over christmas. Maximum comfy.

>>9269082
Max Payne vibes.

>>9269085
Not so much during the day though.

>>9265135
How do I get the original GTA3 and San Andreas versions for PC? I tried to get a torrent for SA (Hoodlum I think it was) and my antivirus went off. You can only get that ghastly definitive version from official stores now. Pls help very important.

>>9266951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpej8Z04sb0
Seems like crap

has re3/reVC development survived the DMCA takedown?
is there some discord/board where people can find updated binaries?

I still have 1.0 from january 2021

>>9269090
misses the fog

>>9267218
raki taki teriyaki
teriyaki taste liek sake!!

>>9269201
>has re3/reVC development survived the DMCA takedown?
Would like to know this too, what's the current status of the project?

for me, it's total overdose

>>9269368
The newer GTA games suffer from a severe lack of Teriyaki-chan.

>>9268063
>3 does the "urban loneliness" feel best of the series
especially when this starts playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGM62gaFfDE

>>9268029
I don't really agree, they tried to do a lot of the same things, just from a different perspective. The cutscenes slowed things down and there's less freedom when it comes to which missions you can do at which time, things aren't as immediate and there were obviously simplified aspects (arguably removed completely but I think there are at least remnants of the system still in play) of GTA2's respect system, but for the limitations they were working with GTA III is closer to the first two games than any of the other 3D games in the series, and arguably a lot more focused than those games ever were. It's clearly not the same thing as those games but honestly I think it does a respectable job of translating that type of game to 3D.

>>9268063
>you've no friends
I always felt like he got pretty chummy with the mafia, just before some hoe lied to her hubby that she's cheating on him with Claude.

>>9268140
>>9268120
vice city is full of this shit too, specially on the second island.

this place feels like an early, less polished map.

LIBERTY CITY COCKS RULE

>>9269748
See they textured the entire inside of the stadium and you'll never see it without dodo shenanigans.

>>9269449
>not chilli con carnage

>>9269756
>dodo shenanigans
Dodo is fun. I never got good at it but being able to barely get to the Portland from the airport without going the bitch way (by riding it on the land across two bridges) was a nice experience.

>>9267310
Is it a Linux thing, or do re3 and reVC not play the intro of the games?

>>9269732
20 years and there's never been a mod to improve and expand the second island.

>>9269984
That would require having missions to do there and some map refactoring which is way beyond most.

>>9269984
>>9270065
Neither for Shoreside Vale.

>>9269868
I can’t remember, sorry chum.

>>9269868
Works for me on windows.

With the current rockstar leaks happening right now, I stumbled upon this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SebVNodMV4Q

An actual vice city developer commenting on the decompilation project.

>>9270504
Sounds interesting but goddamn nearly 3 hours?

>>9269578
I think Salvatore would've tried to have Claude killed eventually. Claude is practically a mercenary; his loyalties belong to the person with the deepest pockets. All it would've taken for Claude to turn against Salvatore was for Claude to meet someone who offered to pay more than the Don ever could. Would you trust someone like that?

>>9270895
I remember being annoyed you had to turn on the Mafia in the game when I first played it. I was expecting it to be a bit more like GTA2 which I was more familiar with, and the respect mechanic where you could align with any of the gangs and work your way up.

>>9271007
Such a mechanic would've clashed with the narrative, I think. Claude was out for revenge. Rising through the ranks of the criminal underworld was incidental, not the true goal.

>>9271064
True, I can appreciate it now for what it is, at the time I was just butthurt because I wanted to be a cool mafia guy.

>>9271076
Liberty City Stories has you covered.

why are the peds in 3 so much more memorable than in the other games

>>9265686
>Life does NOT have a reset button!
But this station does! I love that button.

>>9265686
I always get a kick out of the segment with the "martial arts" nerd.
>This ISN'T a PHASE, Lazlo!

>>9271085
I played that on PSP and got maybe half way through. Cool game, but I find that I don't often play handhelds/find them harder to get into.
Is the PS2 port of the 'Stories' games good? or should I just revisit on my PSP?

>>9271130
PS2 port of LCS is shit but VCS is better than the original

Any news on the lawsuit? Are the re ports still being worked on?

>>9271139
Thanks, shame they buggered the port of LCS. I might pick it up on the PSP again and give it another shot.

>>9268029
gta3 isn't that much different in design from 1 and 2 at all. GTA3 even has the top down camera view as one of the options

>>9268106
I'm pretty sure the game implies that asuka is a lesbian

>>9268140
shoreside vale is a fucking mess

>>9269557
gta3 is less arcadey than the gta games before it but it's still more open ended than the ones that came after

>>9271241
It implies that she's bi.
>>9271249
It's not as pleasant to navigate as other islands (hello, Vice City), but it's a pretty damn cool place.

>>9271139
QRD on why the Liberty City Stories port is shit? I had it back when it was new and don’t recall it being shitty.

>>9271447
I don't think it's that bad at all, the graphics on the ps2 ports are kinda shit because it's psp graphics blown up though

>>9265676
i just played 3 for the first time today, way better than san andreas imo

>>9269157
GTA3: https://archive.org/details/grandtheftautoiiipccdrom2002

hey senpai... here's me just chilling in gta3 for 5 hours straight (─‿‿─): https://youtu.be/MmSXYldtb0g

>>9265829
Correct. Fuck off, nigger

>>9271249
Shoreside Vale is a nightmare to navigate, but it makes up for that by being comfy. I'd live there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05eYGEg-9so

pink stingers in every garage

pink stingers in every garage

>>9272320
>not white Admirals

>>9272153
It's not terrible once you really learn it (it's late into the game and the place most people have spent the least time with) but it's definitely not as navigable as the other islands

>>9272320
Hi, Angelyne.

>>9271917
Curious why you think that. For like a decade GTA III was my favorite of the original 3D games but I think these days I'd rather play Vice City and maybe San Andreas instead.

>>9272380
I assume the developers based it on a New York suburb with an equally confusing layout.

>>9271139
I didn't find PS2 LCS to be terrible.

>start replaying San Andreas since it released
>suddenly reminded how any mission involving driving sucks
>enemy cars always faster than you
>they flip your car at the slightest touch

So much of this game's difficult is just the jank getting in the way.

>>9272517
Name the exact mission that's shit. I've played SA a million times and can help you.

>>9271917
The only thing annoying about san andreas is that it has a lot of the really linear "cinematic" mission design that the newer gta games have

>>9272320
for me it's white infernus

>>9272153
the part of shoreside vale where the final mission happens is comfy, but the rest of it is awful

>>9272381
>Angelyne
damn, god bless her.

>>9272568
What I find annoying about LCS is they redesigned a substantial part of staunton and parts of portland but basically left shoreside vale alone despite it being the prime chance to somewhat unfuck its layout even if it makes it a tad inconsistent with III (but blowing up a huge chunk of staunton island is fine apparently).

>>9267782
I miss this guy like you wouldn't believe

>>9272646
>(but blowing up a huge chunk of staunton island is fine apparently)
Toni doing this without batting am eye was insane. It's part of the reason Toni is high up on the list of people not to fuck with. He chopped up that dude his mom was dating and served him at his own butcher shop. Toni is a fucked up individual.

>>9272748
The issue is those events are sudden in the plot and then toni goes back to being a bitch in the next mission. Nobody ever comments on such heinous acts and it brings no character development. They are just some cool mission ideas jammed into the game because Rockstar Leeds can't pace the game (or VCS) for shit.

>>9272646
they made the tunnel actually connect though

>>9269507
that's good stuff

>>9266950
I absolutely hated it at first, but then had to force myself to play it due to being poor and bored. I ended up loving it in the end. I think it's the best in the series.

>>9272756
LCS and VCS have terrible stories.

>>9272837
This, it was far more convenient despite being mainly useless.

>>9266950
Depends on what you want. Really give it a chance and it's far and away the most immersive game in the series. The world feels really dense (for its time) and believable.

>>9268106

ah-SOO-kabros...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcWMs4w261M

>>9273235
LCS has a completely forgettable story but I enjoyed the VCS story

>>9266950
gta4 ruined the series

...

>>9265135
whatever retarded snaggletoothed proto-wigger nigger-loving british faggot conceptualized this series should be strapped down to a table and burned with cigarettes until death. holy fuck these games are fucking ugly and boring.

>>9272545
I need help with gun combat. It's so annoying how there's a lock on but you can turn away from enemies and just shoot up into the air for no reason. You can't easily snap to a target with the camera, lock on, and shoot. Like I wish there was Z-targeting or just no lock on at all.

I can't beat the Stealing From Uncle Sam mission. Rider or I get killed.

And then when it comes to my vehicle problems, on the OG Loc steal a music van mission, they send cars after you which don't show up on the map as enemies. They would just plow me into a corner and kill me. The next time I tried it, no enemies came after me. I don't get it.

>>9266950
I like the story, Niko is a well written protagonist. But it depends on what kind of GTA player you are.

>>9273801
Imagine being this unreasonably upset over video games you don't like

>>9274550
imagine being a niggerlover lol!

>>9274550
Yes this is /vr/.

>>9273812
Sounds like you're just shit at the game.

>>9265135
I remember firing it up on my PC for the first time and thinking it was the clunkiest hunk of shit I had ever played. Then I started playing it.
Controlled like complete dogshit on every platform and was absolutely great. It's actually eurojank but nobody fucks with it like that because it's mainstream.

Play Space Station Silicon Valley or Body Harvest and you can trace the genetics of this game. It's kind of fascinating.

Watching clips of GTA 3 on PC just looks wrong. The game looks too clean. All the blur is gone.

>>9275069
Seemed fine on my old CRT monitor back in the day. I mean...it doesn't look like that anymore but the PC version used to look like the PS2 version only way better. I think it was barred at 30FPS too so they were at one point somewhat identical, but the PC version ganged it.

>>9275069
Works on my machine.

>>9275069
It's subtle but yeah, the original slower framerate and runtime made it feel a little more like the mob movies it was based on

>>9275079
Those ran at 30mm at around 25 frames right?
It's ironic that people want a cinematic experience but want things to run over 60 frames.

>>9275078
You're misunderstanding Anon's point which your picture perfectly demonstrates.

>>9273778
GTAIII has a mood and atmosphere that not even GTAIV could replicate. Dark and lonely without being film noir; almost creepy at times with the night-time fog and rain. The fact that it's set in the early 2000s helps as well.

>>9275392
great description, completely agreed. thats part of why i didnt like the other ps2 gta games nearly as much.

>>9275415
I prefer the later games, myself. San Andreas is my second favourite in the series. However, none of them have that special something that GTAIII has, which is why I keep returning to it. Maybe nostalgia plays a role, too; it was the first GTA game I ever played, and some of my earliest and fondest gaming memories are associated with it.

>>9266950
GTA 4 is great, but don't expect the same sort of action that the older 3D GTA games had. It's combat is Open world cover shooter. It's a lot of fun, and they played up the physics enough that cool shit happens but not often enough to be mundane (enemy drops gun, gun goes off, shoots his buddy - that sort of thing).
Also the day night cycle feels more natural than in gta5. Garbage trucks come and go, traffic patterns change. GTA 5 has more detail modeled in, but gta4 feels more real somehow.

>>9275510
yeah i was 16 when gta3 came out and it was a teenage edgelords wet dream. it was a cultural phenomenon all around and really felt like it ushered in a new era of gaming. i thought 4 was okay but i really had had enough by then. i never even played 5 and dont really care anymore.

>>9275392
For what they had to work with, 10/10 for capturing the feel of circa 1990 NYC

>>9275392
I never really appreciated that until going back to it again recently. Definitely has a great atmosphere that is pretty unique vs the 80s and 90s feel of the sequels (though I loved those too).
The radio stations were really good too, even though none of it was licensed music it captured the era nicely.

>>9275760
>none of it was licensed music

it's actually 3 that has the Scarface soundtrack, and not VC like you and I and probably everybody else remembered

>>9275760
Sometimes I wonder what GTA would look like had Rockstar not bothered with period pieces like Vice City and San Andreas. Maybe Manhunt would've been turned into a GTA game instead.
>>9275770
It's funny that VC doesn't reuse any of those songs. It takes more from Scarface (and, ironically, Goodfellas) than GTAIII did. Maybe they couldn't get the license.

>>9265298
For me it's Head oven though I probably listened to Rise a lot more

>>9275770
Oh no, I remembered! That's a fair point too.
I remember it being in GTA3 specifically because I played GTA3 before seeing Scarface and then when watching Scarface realised every song was on Flash Back FM.

>>9266528
I wouldn’t say it’s out of the box since they never intended for you to do that. More like unpolished.

>>9267345
That’s the 00’s for ya

>>9275971
That's not unpolished. It's good game design.

The best open world titles are the ones that let you take full advantage of the fact that you are operating in an open world.

>>9275770
not only that, MSX FM is basically the "Moving Shadow 01.1" album with a few tracks skipped and others rearranged
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yb3Cu6WVX8

>>9275983
I would say it’s good game design if shooting kenji with a bazooka was a viable tactic but the whole reason they suspect that the cartel was behind the assassination was because of the gang car you are supposed to use. The only reason the games tells you mission passed is because when the game reads that kenji is dead and that none of the other flags that would make you fail are checked. This is like if there was a glitch in gta 5 that allowed you to beat a mission that was clearly unintended.

>>9276005
It isn't the same without MC Codebreaker freestyling over the music.

UNSTOPPABLE

>>9275983
I tend to agree with >>9276012 that example seems fun, but unintended.
I kind of prefer the mission where you kill Salvatore and there's various ways to do it. When the game was new, we used to chase his car and ram it/drive-by to kill him, but when I replayed it last year I realised you can just buy a sniper rifle, wait from a distance/on the train tracks and then snipe him when he leaves the strip club.

>>9275392
yeah it felt like you were in a giant snuff movie, the discarded newspapers flying with the wind, the constant cloudy skies thus the darkness.

>>9276160
manhunt feels way more like a snuff movie than gta3

>>9275760
>>9275770
Only head radio and lips had songs made for the game (i think the rap station had some songs made for the game as well by real artists but i'm not sure), the rest was licensed (but probably cheap) music and stuff in the public domain.

>>9275392
Is it contrarian to say that GTA is better when restricted to the city, without countryside environments?

>>9265298
For me all the stations are good. Can't say that with the other GTA Games. My favorites though are MSX FM and Rise FM.

After playing Parasite Eve and getting into Opera I'm starting to really like Double Cleff FM. Any Double Cleff fans here?

>>9277036
Well, I would've liked to see what Upstate Liberty would've looked like, though not having it doesn't take anything away from the game for me.

>>9277036
I would say so. San Andreas countryside is fun and you're only a 3 minute drive away from a city and an airplane at any point.

>>9276119
Even if unintended, the fact that they designed the mission as such allowed you to take advantage of it to complete the mission differently. It's a far cry from having scripted shit in missions because you want to force the player into an "epic" scene.

>>9265687
I actually never struggled with that mission, I just ran him the fuck over and hightailed it outta there.

>>9277880
>>9277880
>I just ran him the fuck over and hightailed it outta there.
me every mission

>>9266023
>>9266046


me and my friend at the time got into trying to beat the cab/ambulance/police/fire missions.

I think he finished police (vigilante), and I did the ambulance .. fucking crucial.

Your best bet was to do them right after you started a new game, then there was no cut off areas because of gang violence, and they wouldnt try to put pickups on different islands.. which would just make it impossible.

>>9278152
firefigther is easy money in all 3D games up to SA.

>>9266951
The Xplay review was funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbHazjKisto