/vr/ - Retro Games

uhhh they want to see the game fucking game retard, why kind of question is this? a better question is why do you give a fuck about playing games on shitty old handhelds when you can emulate better and for free on literally anything else?

>>9261921
If they wanted to "see" the game on a shitty IPS display, why didn't they just buy a gamepad for their phone? Would've been cheaper.

>>9261913
Quit telling the redditors that come on here that they should go back to ripping apart the increasingly rare ags-101s. Which is especially annoying considering that they are perfectly fine to play on, no need to rip the fucking screens outs to put in a regular gba. It's for the best that they use the chink screens. They dont even play the gameboys after they mod them, they just take pictures.

Someone call the waaahhhhmmbulance

>>9261935
I've yet to see any comparison that actually paints the "real" screens in a better light than the chink knockoffs, it's generally the opposite. I'm just saying at least the AGS-101 screens (and the chink clones) were specifically made for GBAs, so I can understand someone swapping one in. All these IPS mods are junk, the screens look like shit.

>>9261913
I agree somewhat, I can’t stand the non native resolution and colours being wrong
However I also like being able to see what’s on screen

Why even bother using original hardware at that point? Emulate on a device which already has a "good" screen.

>>9261935
>They dont even play the gameboys after they mod them, they just take pictures

I’ve been in game boy modding circles and this is true. Too many epeen contests.

Cry harder, OP

>OP's tantrum intensifies

>>9261913
I regret modding my gameboy with an ips screen. It’s okay but has a bit of screen tearing. My gba isn’t modded and will remain unmodded.

>>9261987
Bad choice, the GBA can be modded with an actual backlit screen that’s native resolution and correct colours, should’ve done that instead of your GB

>>9261987
Get better screens next time. There’s a wiki that shows which ones have tearing and which ones don’t. Only poorfags buy the tearing ones.

>>9261995
Did you know there's a GBA with an actual backlit screen that doesn't need to be modded at all?

>>9262007
The SP has a garbage battery and uncomfortable form factor for adult hands.

That reminds me, the only thing dumber than IPS screen mods are fucking battery mods. Ah yes, get rid of that perfectly usable AA battery that will be produced forever so you can put in some chinese li-on dogshit you'll never be able to properly replace.

>>9262007
Did you know they are expensive and not really designed for bigger hands?

>>9262013
>You can't replace the battery because.... you just can't, okay!?

>>9262013
I agree on the battery mods. You can’t charge while playing and the charging board gets very hot because don’t don’t use a proper one.

>>9262032
not a problem if you use an ags-101 :)

>>9262036
The sp doesn’t need battery mods, wtf does the 101 have anything to do with it

>>9262024
Yes, I know you're a coping poorfag who takes half measures because of it.

>>9262032
>>9262036
Also the “can’t charge while playing” and hot board issue refers to the GBC battery mods

>>9262031
>you just can't, okay!?
There's no quality control. I know when I'm buying made in Japan LSD rechargeables that I'm getting something with a rated charge that will last for hundreds of cycles. Your replacement battery? Made in China, land of zero QC, and there's no big money backing to ensure every cheap clone cell coming off the line actually performs according to the specifications.

But hey, enjoy spending 15 bucks for a replacement battery when I can get a couple of AAs for a dollar that will last longer, have better battery life, and brand name backing.

>>9262042
Enjoy your cramped hands and no headphones I guess

>>9262069
both fixed for $5

>>9262067
>geez, $15 bucks for a battery that lasts a decade? that's pretty steep

>>9262070
>both fixed for $5

>>9262081
meanwhile, in reality...

>>9261913
I would be fine with IPS mods, but none of the backlit screens are at the original resolution and pixel density of the console.

>>9262085
All of them have shit input lag too.

You're better off getting an Analogue Pocket with all the strings attached to modded Game Boys.

>>9262084
thank you for proving my point

>>9262085
They have 4x integer scaling, with optional filter to mimick the pixel structure

>>9262087
Know how to pick your screens instead of buying the cheapest crap you find or dubious stuff from shitty modders. The FunnyPlaying screens don’t have lag nor ghosting.

>>9262093
If you think those pictures are anything alike you're as delusional as IPSfags.

>>9262103
Cope harder

>>9261913
>actually caring about what other men do with their possessions
How much of a woman can you be? What a cocksucker you are

>>9262095
>The FunnyPlaying screens don’t have ghosting.
That's kind of a shame, I find many game boy games look better with a bit of ghosting. Still it's good to know that you can get a replacement without significant lag.

>>9262104
Seethe harder schizo

>>9262103
be honest anon, how much did you pay for the sp

>>9262112
I don't know what that anon is talking about, they have enough ghosting for all the GBA graphical effects

WSC has the worst handheld screen in existence, the screenshots in this thread don't show how bad the ghosting and motion blur really are when you view it in person so you absolutely want an IPS screen for that one

It wouldn't matter if the people who hold the rights to manufacture this shit created another line of a thousand or so new screens and then sold them for parts.

>>9261913
>soulless
Explain.

>>9262192
“Nooo you have to use the shitty screen from the 90s and torture yourself to get the “authentic experience”™”

>>9262195
If you don't want that experience, why aren't you emulating?

>>9262175
The problem is that a WSC and IPS mod combined cost more than just getting the Swan Crystal, which has a far better screen.

>>9262217
Getting a backlight on a wonder swan is silly full stop
Apart from the fact the games are pretty middling, the thing only takes one battery

>>9261935
Best post on the whole board.

I used to defend IPS mods, and I have modded GBA and GBCs, but the truth of the matter is I was never happy with the devices I own. In case of the GBA, the added input lag of IPS is really noticeable and the color + contrast ratios are awful.

AGS 101 screens are not great either. The ghosting is unbearable.

I also have an Analogue Pocket, the ergonomics are not great for grown men hands. It's fine for GB/GBC, but GBA on it sucks major ass. At least there's zero input lag, so it feels miles better than an IPS mod.

At this point I'll probably just get a chink emulation handheld and call it a day. Less lag than IPS and won't kill my hands.

>>9261913
These handhelds are very old. Screens don't last forever. They generally fail and break down. Just look at Sega Game gear screens. Many need to be replaced just to function. So why not put the best screen available into one? It's a win-win.

It's the same idea with arcade cabinet CRT screens. You can't find CRT replacements for certain large, or randomly sized arcade cabinets from the 1980s and 1990s anymore. The replacement parts are long since out of stock.

Arcade operators and collectors often spend months and months hunting for a CRT replacement. And in the rare instance they do find the CRT screen specific to their cabinet, they have to pay massive upcharges to some random collector who is willing to sell it. Or trade away something the collector might want in exchange for the CRT.

Good luck finding all 8 of exactly the same 52" inch CRT replacement monitors for a Sega Indy 500 full motion deluxe cabinet made in 1992. All of them in working order with no problems.

Nope. Not a chance. They are getting replaced with the latest flat panel monitors. No one is gonna complain.

>>9262242
I like the screen on the Pocket, I hate everything else about it. If they made one that was actually ergonomically designed with buttons that didn't look like garbage, I'd probably get one.

As is, I think I'll just eventually buy whatever is left in a decade or two after all the chinks have battled it out for supremacy and one is crowned the "winner" with decent controls and a decent screen.

>>9262243
What a bizarre point of comparison, handhelds that sold millions of units for a couple of hundred bucks vs old arcade cabs that cost thousands of dollars and were produced in the tens of thousands. Know what I think when I see an arcade cab with an LCD in it? Oh, they don't give a shit. Sure, maybe restoring an Indy 500 properly is outside the realm of possibility these days, but for regular cabs? Fuck off, you just didn't care enough. Should've just saved some time and made a MAME cab with some plywood.

>be child
>enjoy the games

>be adult
>AAAAAHHH THE SCREEN'S TOO DARK AAAAAHHH THERE'S TOO MUCH GHOSTING AAAAAHH THERE'S TOO MUCH INPUT LAG AAAAHHH I GOTTA ARGUE ABOUT THIS ON THE INTERNET

>>9261913
The non back lit screens do look better in this pic. If you were playing in an uncontrolled environment or traveling, then a rechargeable battery and backlit screen is probably ok, but it's definitely not good just destroying gameboys because. They did make millions of the things over the years though.

a 5$ lamp from goodwill with a proper high lumen, soft white bulb is superior to all the after market solutions. Anyone that grew up with these handhelds knows that. Consider it part of the experience like using headphones. You need a good chair and a good lamp. Make sure you use a shade to diffuse the light to avoid glare. This shit is so cheap these days and it's easy to setup. We had like 1 100 watt bulb in my house growing up because of energy costs and now you could get a pack of 10 of amazon that take pennies a year to use.

Otherwise, just use a ds/3ds. It has all the semi-modern amenities people hack into these old systems for a fraction of the cost.

>>9262258
To be honest, the buttons on the Pocket are great. Some of the best I've used. The ergonomics really destroy any enjoyment you can get out of it though. It's great to look at but awful to play on. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone serious about playing for more than a few minutes at a time.

>As is, I think I'll just eventually buy whatever is left in a decade or two after all the chinks have battled it out for supremacy and one is crowned the "winner" with decent controls and a decent screen.
That's a really good approach. I'm looking into the Retroid Pocket 3. It does everything I want, the buttons are akin to the GBA SP, and the screen looks great. Might order one and try it out.

>>9262260
>be child
>play game on CRT, have fun
>be adult
>play game with added input lag, less fun, doesn't feel right
>play with less lag
>"now it feels right"

What's so bad about that?

The whole IPS modded screen trend is just evidence of how powerful and dangerous e-celebs can be especially with the younger ones.

Just blindly consume and follow trends even if that trend makes your shit worse. But the youtuber said so!!

>>9262258
>Know what I think when I see an arcade cab with an LCD in it? Oh, they don't give a shit. Sure, maybe restoring an Indy 500 properly is outside the realm of possibility these days, but for regular cabs? Fuck off, you just didn't care enough.

If you want to restore a cabinet to original condition, then a lot of old school cabinets have very specific CRTs with specific parts. Often times the CRTs are made by manufacturers that don't even exist anymore. These companies have long since went out of business, or were bought out by a larger company and shut down. You can't just pick up any CRT shove it into an arcade machine. Not if you want it in original condition.

And to make matters worse, very few CRT repair centers even exist anymore. Not like the old days where every major city had several. Now only a few exist in the entire WORLD. And among those repair centers, they refuse to work on certain CRT brands because some CRT brands are notorious within the repair industry. So they centers simply say no or hang up on you when you mention it.

I've spent over a year hunting down rare parts for my early 1980s arcade cab when the monitor failed. It had a very specific CRT brand. No one had a replacement, and CRT repair techs didn't want to touch the brand. In the end, I was forced to swap the monitor out for flat panel just so I can play it.

>a bizarre point of comparison, handhelds that sold millions of units vs
>old arcade cabs that cost were produced in the tens of thousands.

No the point you are missing isn't the quantity. It's the AGE. All screens from those eras fail or develop issues with time eventually.

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Do you care about actually PLAYING the piece of hardware you own, or are you just going to leave on a shelf somewhere as a collectors item?? Decide which is more important to you. Because all screens from those eras eventually fail, or develop problems.

>>9262332
I legitimately do not see any point in running something like Pacman with an LCD.

If I went round some guy's house and he said "yeah, my pacman screen broke so I had to swap in a 19" consumer tube because I just couldn't find an original anymore", I'd understand. If I went round and he said "yeah my pacman screen broke so I put in an LCD", I'd be absolutely disgusted.

I'd argue that the screen is about 70% of the fucking point. When you put in an LCD, why didn't you just convert the whole piece of crap to MAME? It's no longer even vaguely representative of what it's supposed to be. If there's absolutely no other option, I'd rather just leave the cabinet as non functioning and maybe it can be a spares model in the future for someone with a working screen but a fried board. Pull out the joystick and hook it up as a USB controller or something if you have no other 4 ways.

I don't care about playing hardware if I'm doing it wrong. Just emulate and save your time.

>>9262362
Not that anon but meh.......... if you gonna restore something then do it right or not at all. If dude cant find his original part anymore then why not put lcd in it?

I kinda agree that IPS have much less soul, but gameboy screens die all the time and I'd rather stick a blackberry screen into mine than send it to trash.

>>9262260
Even as a child I knew the screen was pretty shit.
Sure, if the screen is still working I'd rather do bivert and backlight on original screen rather than install IPS, but less and less of them do.

>>9262362
Okay but we don't live in an ideal world anymore where new parts are available everywhere. This is the real world. What if you can't find the original replacement part anymore?

>>9262404
Modding is good for reviving otherwise broken consoles, but you just know people are gutting working parts from these perfectly good units.

>>9262424
If they do why the fuck aren't they selling their old screens, I need some.

>>9262362
I do not to see the point in keeping CRTs around anymore. Any emulator worth its salt will have a setting to emulate the CRT effect with a shader. So the whole "it doesn't look like a CRT" doesn't make sense anymore.

>>9262436
Buying an arcade cabinet and putting an LCD in it is like buying an old sports car and converting it to electric. You missed the point.

If you've got old hardware, you shouldn't be running it through scalers, it should be on a CRT. If you want to emulate on an LCD and use shaders, that's fine. I do it for some genres, it's convenient and looks good, not to mention free.

>>9261913
Have you tried turning down the brightness?

>>9262203
Retard black or white thinking ass

This thread is amazing. All these nerds foaming at the mouth because people are doing something that they don't like. I popped ips screens in both my gbc and my gba a few years ago, and I'm very happy with them, more happy knowing that some of you are screeching at your monitors because you don't like a thing. I haven't even noticed the input lag yet and am getting through platformers just fine

So ive essentially been playing on crts and using my old original handhelds all my life. I always preferred playing on a tv just because the screen was bigger or brighter. Some of my original screens on my gameboys are scratched to hell. What do i need to do if i wanted to try and restore the screens essentially back to how it looked when it was new?

>>9262450
>Buying an arcade cabinet and putting an LCD in it is like buying an old sports car and converting it to electric. You missed the point.
More like just changing the tires or repainting the car. It's not a big deal.

>>9262561
Swap the lens with a glass one. It’s not the screen itself that scratches.

>>9262362
>When you put in an LCD, why didn't you just convert the whole piece of crap to MAME? It's no longer even vaguely representative of what it's supposed to be.

>"YoU cHaNgeD youR scrEeN?? You might as well destroy your entire arcade cabinet!!!"

WTF am I reading.

>>9262594
The /vr/ equivalent of audiophiles

>>9262007
The AGS-101 costs as much as sending your kids to Hardvard

>>9262072
>not buying 4 rechargable batteries so you can swap using 2 while the other 2 are recharging
ngmi

>>9262081
>>9262084
NTA but holy shit this is hilarious. Look at all that extra shit on the blue SP.

>>9262618
>implying you can't do this with sp batteries
>still have to power off to replace batteries, unlike the SP which you can plug in anywhere
>can't even run the console off external power, a downgrade from the original DMG

>>9262626
I had a power adaptor for my gb, gbp and gbc - not sure what timeline you are from

>>9262789
Oh wait, I'm retarded and didn't read properly sorry

>>9261913
>soulnigger
thanks for givin me a reason to support em, go fuck yourself with your "muh intentions"

>>9261934
for the same reason you bitch about people with money you will never have?

>>9262069
Bro. Drill Dozer kicks ass.

>>9261913
i dont understand why people are so anal about moding old ass toys, friend the game boy original/color/advance had horrible obscure screens but also are hard to emulate to the perfection even to this day emulators cant just mimic the sounds thats why i moded mine also because the OG screen was kind of starting to fail.

>>9263468
They are looking at it from a "collector" perspective. Which means they want everything original.

Other people look at it from a "player" perspective. As they want to be able to actually play the games as best as possible.

The one flaw that collectors seem to forget is that electronics (especially from the 1980s and 1990s) were not designed to last forever. Screens and capacitors fail with age. As they get older, screens get dimmer and keep fading until they stop working.

I guess I fall somewhere in the middle. I'm okay with modding screens as long as it's done well, and matches the rest of the case.

>>9263494
>collectors seem to forget is that electronics (especially from the 1980s and 1990s) were not designed to last forever
Once again, Zoomers can't even imagine a time when stuff was built to last.

>>9263494
>screens get dimmer and keep fading until they stop working.

This, thats why i moded my Gbc the screen was full of ghosting and the colors got kind of grey it was devolving into a original b/w game boy screen.

>>9263508
What are you talking about? the 90`s were the start of the planned obsolescence in the videogame industry.

>>9263548
>planned obsolescence
you have no idea what that entails, these boards are too simplistic for that

>>9261913
Because hopelessly autistic “hobbyists” with nothing better to do need a reason to wake up in the morning. They also spent a lot of time and a money doing it so if you point out it was a dumb waste of time they will reeeeee.
I agree, not using a screen with the correct grid/brightness is detrimental to the intended display of the games.
This is why the analogue pocket isn’t a meme, it can replicate this.

>>9263619
>these boards are too simplistic for that

Anon come on, every revision of the boards more chips get fused also the only thing that keep those boards "repairable" is the fact that cheap components in the 90`s where still bulky, just stop being a old rose tinted glasses fag and acept that video games where cosidered a toy so quality is kind of bad and upgrade the compnents with modern good ones is a good thing.

>>9263742
guess what still works anon
all my videogame hardware
you know what planned obsolescence means?

>>9263742
>cheap components in the 90`s where still bulky
You mean about through-hole parts? I think you're a bit out of your area of expertise here, zoomie.

>>9263770
yeah I'm not sure what he meant by fused
but I think you're right, he thinks vias are parts

>>9263742
Did you know that toys used to be built to last also?
It sounds like you're in denial about the fact that the quality of everything was better in the past.

>>9263781
he meant chips getting consolidated into one, like the 1 chip snes
and I have no idea why you'd think either of us was talking about vias

>>9263792
CPU's are now fused parts?
pardon me for being retarded anon

>>9263786
They still make legos! They're actually one of the biggest toy company on earth!

>>9263797
Fuse can also be a verb. Probably was translated.

>>9263806
Not cowboys and indians legos. Especially not with totem poles in the desert.
Anyway my point was that the quality of the plastic lego uses has dropped significantly since they changed color scheme.
Nothing in this world ever gets better, only worse.

>>9263816
You sound like a pretty miserable person, I pity you anon

>>9263819
You're the core demographic that everyone wants to sell products to these days: a braindead NPC consumer. Makes you sound like an overly optimistic faggot.

>>9263826
I'm an adult, so I don't go online to cry about how they took muh racism out of muh building blocks. Some people are just normal, not overly optimistic faggots or pathetic doomers.

>>9263831
Sure buddy. You're normal. Just like everyone else.

>>9263842
Things change anon, you're making a fool of yourself. Not replying to this off topic trash again

>>9263849
Says the NPC.

>>9263816
you have to create your own bubble, man. come to terms with the fact that faggots control the world and make the best of it. with that said, you're a homo for caring about lego blocks at 30+ years of age.

>>9263831
>cry about how they took muh racism out of muh building blocks
What the fuck are you talking about

>>9263770
>I think you're a bit out of your area of expertise here, zoomie

Thanks but im old enought to remember being angry at the N64 for not having RF out, just i started to fix my old consoles because is kind of a lost art in my city.
also just stop being salty at people puting Ips screens at old low quality toys.

>>9263881
>being angry at the N64 for not having RF out
?

>>9262217
Enjoy your 60 Hz

>>9263889
Meant for >>9262175

>>9263881
Area of expertise meaning the subject of electronics engineering. You don't have a fucking clue when it comes to that.
>>9263886
It was the first nintendo console that didn't come with the rf adapter. They sold it separately for $15 but I just used the one I already had from SNES.

>>9264001
oh, you mean pack in
I assume because you had a very old TV that didn't have composite

>>9264020
I'm a different person clarifying what other people are saying because you're all too stupid to word things properly or understand each other and somehow I can do both.
But yes that's what the original dude meant.
I personally didn't have a composite TV until gamecube era.

>>9263889
I thought the IPS screen actually did 75hz, which is funny because the screen is incapable of shifting down for a couple of titles that actually switch to 60hz mode so half the screen is cut-off if you play them on an IPS mod.

Honestly, the difference between 75 and 60 is nearly imperceptible anyway. 90 is the first major difference for LCDs, it's a little different for CRTs because you can see them flickering due to the beam rather than S&H.

My gbc sreen was scratches and the case was fucked up, so I opened it up, put an IPS screen, a better power regulator and called it a day.

>>9261975
that bottom right edge would bug me

>>9264527
What bottom right edge? It's the same in the original screens.

>>9264534
The original screen is in the center not flush with the edge.

>>9264539
The centering is configurable.

>>9264454
The lens was scratched so you replaced the screen? Why not just replace the lens? Or better yet, try to polish the scratches out.

>>9264650
Screen, case and power regulation. I was curious to see the difference too.
I still have all the original components stored.

I just care about not having 4x scale raw pixels or something. I love the Q5 fuck playing always making sure you are in the right angle or using the worm light that was never a good time then and it is not now.

>>9263508
>can't even imagine a time when stuff was built to last.
The motherboard might last forever if you don't count replacing electrolytics but their screens literally get cancer
They built it to last 10 years, not 30