/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
AD MORTEM PHASE 2
Submissions due Oct 12th
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/9194259
https://mega.nz/folder/NBFWlJZQ#ayc36MvN6fAvwup-8vMLdA

94 PROTONS OF /vr/
Submissions closed, awaiting beta
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===
[9-14] 2022: A Doom Odyssey public beta released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/131349

[9-13] Goldeneye 64 is coming to XBox game pass
https://youtu.be/zT310aJNdSA

[9-11] Hexen 2 has its 25th anniversary
https://twitter.com/kotolout/status/1568917177713197057

[9-10] Daikatana source code leaked
https://archive.org/details/daikatana-src-collection

[9-10] Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory now has official dedicated servers
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/85eGeGTxfwazJiETVtPi9/

[9-3] Crispy Doom 5.12.0 is released
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-5.12.0

[9-2] The AMC Squad Episode Four Trailer released
https://youtu.be/ei2_ROlJAiw

[9-1] Babel gets its biggest update
https://datanon.itch.io/babel

[9-1] DBP51: Deadly Ritual is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2960/deadly-ritual

[8-31] August progress for DNF2001 Restoration Project
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/news/august-update32

[8-31] Realms Deep 2022 announced
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1565052582153920515

[8-31] Anon shares orthographic voxel caching demonstration
https://youtu.be/dw10zm8KkO0

[8-27] Nirvana interviews Ribbiks
https://youtu.be/zgW4Kqkfpbs

[8-27] Corruption Cards is updated to 4.0
https://www.moddb.com/mods/corruption-cards/downloads/corruption-cards-40

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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VR Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ

Stick to the loose files in the 'vr' folder for working on the project. You don't need the QuakeC source files unless you want to contribute code. When there is an update, sort files by date modified so that you aren't constantly re-downloading everything.

WIP Bandolier and Time Dilation powerups now included.

Finished Doom 2 for the first time. Liked 1 way more, but the combat in 2 is obviously superior given the more interesting enemy roster, also there's way more of them to kill.
Level design was frustrating and bad for the most part, a few good maps though.

Doom > Doom Eternal > Doom 2016 > Doom II

Thoughts on the first Sigil 2 level?

how do i get the quake2 music working?
the .oog files are named "trackXX.ogg" and the folder is correctly named music, but quake 2 cannot find it.

I didn't think Not Blood's option to turn cultist hitscan into projectiles would make much difference until it did.

The show starts tomorrow so get your bets in, how much of what gets announced/shown at Realms Deep will be playable this time next year?

>>9260705
0%. Who cares anyways.

>>9260618
>>9260619
94 Protons Of /vr/
Hey, Mr. Straggler sir, please hurry up and finish your map so we'll get that 20th level.

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.9.6.5 (added flats, smallfont, ENDOOM, M_DOOM, etc)
>PROTDECO17 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD
>A collection of optional MIDIs for mappers to use.

Special slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Claimed
>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
One suggestion is a flying red Spidermind who sprays Mancubus fireballs at Plasmagun speed. Thoughts on this idea?

>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
A suggestion for a larger city level was that we all take turns designing parts for it. How would we best go about this?

>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
Multiple ideas has been suggested. One cool idea was to use an existing /vr/ map as a base and slaughterifying it, is anyone interested in this, and do they have further suggestions for a suitable candidate? Someone else suggested another approach, mind that we could have two secret slaughter maps if we wanted to.

Current Submissions: 19 Maps!

To Do:
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000
>Possibly rework the Death Exit effects somehow

WANTED: 3D Modeler, one who can do weapon stuff, one which can do monsters.

>>9260705
I expect nothing to be playable ever, I'm giving them a pretty low bar to beat.

Don't organize a speedmap event when we do, or else.

>>9260738
>>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
>>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
>>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
I don't think any of these are happening at this point, bucko.

>>9260748
Where's your faith bro?

>>9260751
Where's your grip on reality? Has anyone expressed any interest in even making these, let alone actual work done on them? The most I've seen regarding these maps are ideas, posts like "wouldn't it be cool if we did X?" Unless someone has a lot of pent-up spite for me, none of these maps will come to fruition, especially not after the I-don't-fucking-know-nth deadline being passed by 3 days. It's okay to be optimistic, but at some point it crosses the line into delusion.

>>9260652
Looks cool. Sigil didn't blow me away by being incredibly innovative or groundbreaking or anything, but the levels were in fact all really good and well put together. I expect Sigil 2 to be the same, it won't rewrite any rules, but it'll be damn good and worth playing.
Though, Doom 1's bestiary is a bit limited, while the expanded bestiary in Doom 2 is famously very versatile (to the point iD themselves barely scratched the surface), so perhaps Sigil 2 will be actually be a more complex and interesting experience. We'll see.
I hope he'll get more Buckethead.

I sincerely think level design is one of John Romero's strongest talents, and that he still stands out on that quality in the industry, even if he doesn't get around the mainstream these days. Part of this is The Absolute State of AAA level design (and most indie level design for that matter), part of it is he's just good.
Mainstream videogames aren't exactly awash with maps by Levellords, Blums, Casalis, or Romeros.

>>9260748
Honestly, those are just lingering and I should just remove them next time (unless the last guy comes through in this thread already, then I don't need to post that pasta anymore). People expressed some interest in those things over time, and there were some very good ideas, but it seems discussion just waned and the subjects weren't returned to, so I guess the interest was only passing.

Maybe I'll try to make one of those a reality on my own, but the betas come first.

>>9260738
>Hey, Mr. Straggler sir, please hurry up and finish your map so we'll get that 20th level.
Don't wait on me. Trust me, this map sucked.
To quote the old wisdom: "Mapping is like farting. If you have to force it, it's probably shit. " I was definitely forcing it.
The layout I made was not fun or engaging to fight 'viles in, and I should have tested each engagement piecemeal rather than make a whole layout and expect to just be able to plonk 'viles into it.
I still think it was a good concept (and a good map name), but I need to rethink my approach if I ever want to realize it. Sorry to disappoint (again), but at least I learned as a mapper from the experience.
I'll hold on to the layout, maybe it could be salvagable with different enemies, or as a deathmatch map.
I'm still probably switching to Eureka.

>>9260764
Yeah okay fuck you and people like you with your attitude that belongs on /v/. When those maps come out and this project is finished, your post's screencap will be the subject of mockery.

>>9260773
>hen those maps come out and this project is finished, your post's screencap will be the subject of mockery.
Believe me, I would love that to happen, but I don't see you making any maps either so I'm not optimistic. Crybaby.

>>9260767
It's playable right now
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727328864489046110/948764939949072394/one-humanity.zip

why dafuq are my textures jittering when i look around

>>9260767
>Mainstream videogames aren't exactly awash with maps by Levellords, Blums, Casalis, or Romeros.
Also there's really no such thing as a "level designer" in the mainstream eye anymore, obviously there are level designers but you never really hear from them, and games are such massive team efforts now that its hard to believe there was any authoritative voice behind any of them.
I would kill for Bethesda to just go all in on level design for their next game, make their fucking level designers the star of the game development, make it part of the marketing, fucking even invite Romero back and give him free reign to design his own level. It's such a sadness that there's no trust in players anymore, everyone's terrified of turning away players by making something that isn't even complex, but just is something you are physically able to fall off the main path from.

>>9260791
just stop playing on PS1

>>9260830
this is on dsda doom btw (i know you were kidding but i figured i'll say it)

>>9260791
Bro that wall is haunted, it'll follow you around while you're not looking.

>>9260856
Fuckin' wall mimics.

>>9260791
That shit happens sometimes. I forget why.
I hope this helped.

>Hey! Are you that intruder guy?

>>9260632
Doom 2>Doom 1>2016>Eternal
None of them are bad tho.

>>9260891
Where will you fit in Final Doom and NRFTL, and is it Doom 1 or Ultimate Doom?

>>9260772
Well fuck, then. I thought the concept sounded really appealing. I guess that's it for submissions then.

>>9260791
IIRC the way that surfaces render in the original software renderer can on occasion warp a little, jitter in ways like that, particularly if they aren't 90 degrees, and mainly at the edge of the screen. It's easiest to see this on the triangle stairs in Entryway.
The effect is not only easier to see in high screen resolutions (being near invisible in the original 320x240), but higher screen resolutions makes the effect more pronounced too.

Someone can probably point me towards the Doomwiki article which explains this phenomenon and which corrects the parts I got wrong.

Finally finished plutonia and tnt. Was interesting how different they felt.

Plutonia
>holy fucking cancer chaingunners I thought it was just a meme
>after a while I grew strangely fond of that shit
>encounters feel like a puzzle to work out
>maps feel like a DM that's out to get you but not completely unfair
>maps had some neat concepts (the city, hunted) but still very gameplay focused and abstract

TNT
>felt easy as fuck after Plutonia
>interesting semi-realistic feel almost like Build
>neat concepts that were really memorable
>original music I liked
>recognized Ashes track in it lol

Also shout out to that one mapper for TNT who fucked up scale horribly so that stuff like chairs were sized for 20ft tall mutants and hallways were fucking football fields. Interesting to see the initial attempts to make Doom levels feel "realistic" though, made for some memorable maps, like Habitat and the admin center with the hell bits hidden in the walls. Was like a start toward Build-style level design.

>>9260792
True. Modern level design is such a focus tested team production that it has no personality. You look at all the big shooters from the 90s, Doom, Duke, Quake, etc, every map had some degree of personality and there's patterns to them.

Is there a Doom engine port of Marathon so I don't have to use Aleph One?

>>9260949
I'm not aware of one. Probably it could be recreated in GzDoom but it would be a fucking pain with the portal stuff.

>>9260673
Those projectiles should be sprites, can you try updating anon?

>>9260618

Question for mappers, creatives and the like: how do you anchor yourself to a project when you have a list of ideas but dont feel the pull towards any of them over the others?

Its like having a retard goblin in the back of your head "you should be making a techbase, why are you not making a techbase?" and then you start mapping the damn thing and he goes "I really should be making a city map"
motherfucker

Its been like that for my stupid channel every once in a while, Its like the cycles of guilt from EYE, but stupid.

>>9260989
>making city maps
I'm gonna hit you in the head if you don't make that techbase instead.

>>9260989
I write the ideas down, that satisfies my inner goblin and also gives me a chance to subconsciously roll the idea around while I focus on other shit. Sometimes I go back to the written down idea and go "Wow this fucking sucks, glad I didn't jump on that."

>>9260989
Whenever I map it's literally just a stream of consciousness being poured out into the editor. Whatever I think of is what I map, but generally it sticks to one coherent theme.

>>9260989
I literally just pick one and go with it. That's how I did Babel, that's how I've done the collection of pretty bad maps, it's how I close what to write about as well. Just pick one randomly and go for it.

>>9260618
No YOU have no grace OP

I know how to play so i can beat levels quick harha

>>9261010
>the collection
my collection* god damn
Maybe one day I'll do one for one of the /vr/ projects again and it won't be awful.

>>9260993
>I think that HFFM lacked goatse iconography
Check Fudge Packers Inc. again

>>9260792
>It's such a sadness that there's no trust in players anymore, everyone's terrified of turning away players by making something that isn't even complex, but just is something you are physically able to fall off the main path from.
Insert that Valve antlion nest commentary quote here.

>>9260901
Ultimate Doom.
I never actually played NRFTL. Somehow never got around to it. I'd probably put Final Doom as a whole = 2016 maybe? Really the level design in Plutonia is probably better than Doom 2, but it has less charm to it somehow. For me anyway.
>opinions

>>9260991
Fuck techbase. City all the way.

>>9260951
is their any lore terminals where they try to explain this or is this just how the engine is?

>>9260967
Wow, I didn't notice how odd they looked. Even updated they look like this. I'll try a fresh install.

>>9260967
>>9261123
That did it. Thanks based NotBlood dev.

>>9261132
Np, have fun

>>9261110
There's honestly no explanation other than space time fuckery and just how the engine handles it seems oddly intentional. There's areas that have these in subtle ways in Marathon 1 as to fool you into thinking it has some room-over-room trickery but it's still nonsensically mind numbing once you start examining it closely.

>>9259826
In some ways, yes. The traps and overall map design are much more elaborate but since it's made for the original DOOM it lacks the punch of DOOM 2 (SSG, revies, chaingunners, arachs, elementals, viles, mancubi, etc.). If Romero made a SIGIL megawad sequel for DOOM 2 it would absolutely blow the original DOOM 2 out of the water that's for sure.

>>9260876
I actually had an idea for that but it was more exit door mimics with slightly off sprites and would bite you if you tried to open them.

>>9261189
Make a switch that looks like an exit door that lowers the floor in front of it into a 20% hurtfloor.

>>9261196

>>9260335
>2022 ADO
Huh, didn't know this was a thing. I played the first one last year and enjoyed it. Will have to check this one out as well.

So there was this one guy last thread making an Ancient Aliens visual patch for Babel. If that's you, would you mind posting the purple flash frames you were using? I may or may not be making an example patch for AA in Decorate using the new action functions I added and I may or may not want to put that in there to complete the thing and I'm too lazy to make it myself since it's already done..
I'll credit you for it in the patch of course. This is basically just going to be an example in case some lunatic really wants to make compat patches, and also a demonstration of how to use Decorate with a ZS addon.
God help me if I can explain why the Arachnotron side plasma has to be done the way it is.
Also it's like 2AM here so if I don't reply immediately I'll get to it tomorrow.

>>9260738
Did you reject "Hexed" or you just forgot about it?

>>9261138
hey I'm dumb and missed the announcement
any link to the download page?

>>9260791
what do you mean?

>>9260791
It also might happen if the line is too long.

>>9261565
Oh I never announced, but sure. https://github.com/clipmove/NotBlood

>>9260989
>have idea for a project
>make maps for the project
>end up scrapping the project
>realize I've scrapped many maps
>repurpose scrapped maps into a new set

>>9261487
No, I just haven't gotten around to looking at all the last submissions because I've been occupied with some IRL stuff for a bit. I'll have to travel home today so I'll have to check them later today or tomorrow.

I have not rejected any level, I have not found a reason to.

>>9260773
I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Am I correct to guess that any Quake map/mod that wants to play a music track #1~0 upon startup does it intentionally for no music playback?

>>9261689
Possibly, as stock Quake will not play track 1 as music (being that track 1 on old game discs contains the data, with the rest of them containing the music).
Sourceports might allow you to use a track 1 if you explicitly tell it to, but it also seems like one of those things you can't do because nobody ever thought to do it and it's just not necessary.

>>9261620
I like hearing that your mapping efforts are not for naught.

>>9260989
Mapping for me is a stream of consciousness. When I have an idea for an arena, I put it in whatever map I'm working on. The theming of the map usually just effects what textures I use and detailing. That's how I deal with it.

>>9261695
Also how do I run Neharha in QsS?

DSDA-Doomfags, what comp level do you use when a map's required port is simply "limit removing"?

>>9260989
>assign numbers to all "things" that can replaced with a sprite
>use rng to pick one thing
>replace that thing with pictures/sprites of Hillary Clinton
after that everything else just flows naturally

>>9261765
-comp-level 2 i believe.

>>9261765
2-4, depending on the IWAD it's intended for.

>>9261765
2 works for everything. 3 and 4 are minor changes.

>>9260989
I have one idea and I stretch it to infinity

>>9261765
doesn't dsda support "complevel -1" as a mean to automagically set 2/3/4 based on the iwad?

why does my version of Hell on Earth not have the nazi soldiers in the Wolfenstein level? I just have normal demons

>>9261868
You have the censored versions that are now standard for all re-releases since BFG Edition
Download the original un-vandalized versions from the links in the OP

>>9261889
I don't get to kill nazist? are the developers fascists pigs or something? Why would they take away from the joy of murdering nazis?

This is suspect behavior, I'm thinking they're pro-hitler over there.

>>9261391
>If that's you, would you mind posting the purple flash frames you were using?
Sure thing, I’ll get it ready during my lunch break.

>>9261889
The Unity port restored the SS troopers.

>>9261889
i wonder if using the censored edition breaks everything that uses DEHACKED monsters over the wolfenstein ss. I'm guessing they're still in the code and usable/placeable though

DRAWSEGS OVERFLOW :DD

Don't organize a speedmap event when we do, or else.

>>9261954
Why should I care? By this looks of this screencap, this is for Quake, so why would someone start a new Quake project here when one is already in progress?

>>9261894
It's mainly because of Germany, where any depiction of Nazis outside of educational and documentary purposes was strictly forbidden, and you weren't allowed to sell a game openly (if at all) containing them. iD and Bethesda were retardedly lazy about this and didn't just make a special version for Germany (like they had done with the original release of Doom 2 back in 1994), and instead just applied changes across the board for ports.

Now, for the old German release of Doom 2, they plain deleted the Wolf3D assets and the levels from the .wad, and that was then ok legally (though trying to use the secret exit in Map 15 or trying to IDCLEV to the secret levels would crash the game as it still tries to access the missing data lol).
For the GBA port, they replaced swastikas and Hitler portraits with the RTCW icon and pictures of Deathshead, all the stronger gore in the GBA ports are also toned down or omitted, as well as the existing blood being colored green, which was also a requirement by the German market back then.
For the BFG Edition, the Wolf3D levels are still there, but all the special wall decorations are paved over with the adjacent wall textures, and the SS Troopers are replaced by duplicate Zombiemen but with fucky frames. The levels are also renamed IDKFA and KEEN, and have their music replaced with D_DOOM.
The Unity Ports have the Wolf3D levels mostly intact, but they actually put in some effort to plain retouch offending assets, replacing the swastika with this one triangular icon they had used for the German release of the new Wolf games, and shaving off Hitler's moustache on the portraits.

In recent years Germany relaxed these laws somewhat, and it's now ok to depict Nazis and Hitler in entertainment as long as they are depicted as obviously villainous or otherwise as opponents to fight.
Thus, Wolfenstein 3D and the original versions of Doom 2 are no longer contraband in Germany.

>>9261982
Who's iD?

>>9261954
>hey, look at my Discord Drama
Get fucking lost.

>>9261982
Possession of materials with unapproved Nazi content wasn't strictly illegal back in the day, so you could OWN Wolfenstein 3D, but you were not allowed to sell, buy, exhibit, or otherwise provide or receive it.
Kind of like how a few countries treat some material which is in a legal gray zone over if it's CP or not.

>>9261983
iD Software

>>9261983
id my balls.

>>9261993
Who?

>>9261954
meh, we did the same thing I think, put off projects until later date to not overwhelm people, so I see nothing wrong here, except exporting posts nobody cares about from some retarded site onto our general
>>9260738
Honestly 19 maps(potentially 20) is not bad for a /vr/ project, especially since these had no size/linedef/time limitation and people probably spent more resources and work on these. Congrats anons and can't wait for the beta

>>9261982
Marphy compard the version and its pretty nice how unique these versions of censorship are

Marphy compared different versions, its nice how unique those censorships are

>>9262116
>soul patch Hitler

>>9262116
shout out to my own artwork and this e1m4 censorship reference I found on ZDForums

>>9262116
>that dumb shit poorly done commie fist
Grosse.

>>9262145
The new art in the Wolfstone version is crude overall IMO.

>>9262135
The E1M4 symbol is still the best one by far.

>>9261982
Germans were quite nazis back then.

>>9262116
Outside of the case of countries that literally made laws making displaying swastikas illegal, I cannot see how anyone thinks the censored versions are better. I mean good lord, it's just WW2 images, any history book worth the title has the same thing in it. Pretending WW2 never happened isn't gonna un-kill all those people.
Strikes me as the same sort of thing I heard back in the 90s when extremist Christians were going "Doom is an evil game because it has demons!" and I sat there thinking "It's literally a game about killing demons, how do you have a problem with this?"

>>9262116
Man the Jaguar version looks legit better, man if they ever do a re-release it would be neat if they included the Jaguar, Wolfstone and the original sprites.

>>9262287
Jaguar and 3DO releases were off the MAC releases which Adrian Carmack remade the sprites in Higher res.

>>9260652
It was tough but fun. The chaingunners shooting from above were pretty annoying though, and you basically had to get lucky to telefrag the baron at the start. I liked the watery look.

>>9261391
Here you go, did I do it right?
https://litter.catbox.moe/rv6bqx.7z
It was also my first time trying out paint dot net's "fill" options so it'll look rough.

>>9261924
XDDDDD

>>9262303
Is it playable with any source port?

>>9262347
Looks good to me, pretty much a drag and drop replacement.
All I have to do is make sure the Alien guardian enemy works right now and the patch is basically done. Somehow I think it's going to be more of a pain than I'm anticipating.
https://hastebin.com/icoxarosol.yaml
Surprisingly, when cleaned up the decorate code isn't horrible, or at least not as bad as I expected.

>>9262389
Macenwolf at moddb
the downside is that adrian never made turning sprite anims for them.
someone at zdoom forums was updating the sprites with turning anims but idk how far it went

>>9262268
The rationale back when those laws were drafted might have been something along the lines of keeping it an always serious matter which you couldn't even joke about, but I think in practice that approach is at best ineffective, and at worst counterproductive. Trying to hide away national shames from most media isn't a very healthy idea, you'll just cultivate unfortunate counter cultures and neurotic mindsets.(Mind, lingering on that forever and acting like you should be ashamed of crimes by people who aren't you or your current day kin isn't healthy either, at some point history has to become old history and you have to move on).

Wolfenstein 3D doesn't show the real life horrors in detail, but that's because that would be a gigantic fucking downer and tonal schism for what's supposed to be a fun action adventure videogame with a very slightly light hearted and cartoony bent (which at any rate doesn't leave any room for ambiguity). The game isn't an accurate documentary, but also doesn't need to be.

A.W.O.L. has been released today.
A.W.O.L. is a first-person, mil-spec shooter developed using the Build engine (Duke Nukem 3D, Ion Fury).
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1740150/AWOL/

>>9262413
pic reminds me of citrizen abel episode 4

>>9262413
"If Team T.N.T. made a third war based game"
this game legit feels very janky but on the bright side it's free, so i won't say it isn't honest.

>>9262397
Looks awesome, especially the new rifle sprite: It’s a great mix between the new and original plasma gun. Babel may be my favorite mod so it’s crazy to me that I was able to help out.

>>9261571
look at the wall textures. the eft side is moving up and down as the player view shifts

>>9262425
Well you can have that rifle sprite with the new version that's already out here https://datanon.itch.io/babel
I'm just working on a few new things, mainly some minor touchups, a change to the baron swipes to make them fit the initial design better, and the horrific folly that is trying to add support for decorate compat patches.

>>9262413
Free is good, kinda strange that the Build Engine( or Eduke probably) gets more use then say the Idtech 2, 3 and 4's open source options.

>>9262430
Oh shit I didn’t realize you had already made the itch page for it, nice! I’ll be messing with it later, either to check out AA again or go back and forth between some BTSX2.

>>9262447
Build: Ion Fury, AWOL
Quake Engine: Wrath, Doombringer...?
Was pretty sure there were way more games on Id's tech but these are the only I could remember.

>>9262462
Well the AA patch isn't out just yet, still gotta get the guarding projectile working right. It's intended as an example for people who want to make patches of their own. I'm not really expecting many to do it, I'm adding the addon support mainly for myself so I can easily patch stuff like Doom:Zero, but I figure since it's going out there I might as well give some examples.

>>9262468
Wrath is Dorkplaces

>>9262468
For some reason a lot of indie devs are using GZDoom not realizing it cannot be optimized and that it wasn't meant to handle a fucking FEAR clone.
>>9262474
Darkplaces is built on the Q1 code so it counts.

>>9262413
not my kind of theme but it looks like a mix of Nam, Desert Storm and Goldeneye.
maybe i'll try it at some point. nice for being free

>>9262480
>not realizing it cannot be optimized and that it wasn't meant to handle a fucking FEAR clone.
No one should want to make a FEAR clone, but I’d take some FEAR-flavored Doom. I’m not aware of anything like that right now though.

>>9262474
Ion Fury is eduke32, what's your point?

>>9262515
He's probably talking about Selaco that people are hyping up to be taking strong cues from FEAR

>>9260619
inter-doom 6.0 released on its 6th anniversary
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2545130

>>9262480
the devs are having to make multi-threaded builds to get the performance up and get rid of stutter.
on top of probably alot of other source changes.

>>9262519
Hey this could be the cool “Fear-flavored Doom” I’d like to play.

>>9262553
As we established last time, the only thing they're doing is multi-threading resource loading. Everything else is still like GZDoom.
>on top of probably alot of other source changes
Aside from things you can find in select mods, and re-naming a few things in the base pk3, not really. Not that what's there isn't far above the complexity of base Doom, but it doesn't appear that they're doing much on the source code side. The only things that might involve source changes are a few visual tweaks.

Anyone have a link to that Doom sourceport that was looking at optimizing the game to run much faster on older and newer hardware?

>>9262515
First FEAR 1 is awesome fuck you and two I'm talking about Salaco.
>>9262553
GZDoom can do some neat things but it was never meant to do FEAR like debris effects, it's too much.

>>9262581
>First FEAR 1 is awesome fuck you
Boxes, three weapon limits one type of enemy - oh my. The spectacle of shooting up all those boxes is the best part.
>I’m talking about Selaco
Never heard of it until today, are you >>9262519? If so thanks for the rec, the demo’s fun if chunky.

>>9262581
You say this, but then you also have shit like HND that spawns a bazillion tiny actors for sparks when you shoot things (and they stay on the ground for quite a while) in addition to tons of casings, RBUTL DUM that absolutely ejaculates gore actors all over the levels, and god only knows what else that does this. Actors with +NOBLOCKMAP or +NOINTERACTION are very light, and I think the debris effects are probably the least of the engine concerns with Selaco.

>>9262580
>newer hardware
This one?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117394-rum-and-raisin-doom-haha-software-render-go-brrrrr-021-release-now-with-frame-interpolation/
>older hardware
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116001-fastdoom-dos-vanilla-doom-optimized-for-386486-processors/

>>9262593
It was the first one but thanks for reminding me that the second exists as well.

>>9262589
FEAR has four enemy types and yeah the awesome gunplay makes up for it and no I'm not the Ion Fury poster.

How many gzdoom "games" will show up at realms deep?

>>9262589
>one type of enemy
Clone soldiers, inviso dude's, armored bois, security officers, ghosts.
Different weapons for the humans too, but you'll say that doesn't count.
your opinion is gay anyway because you're trying to boil value down to a check list. so no need to respond, I won't respect it anyway.

>>9262589
>one type of enemy
I love FEAR and fighting and killing the replica soldiers is really fun, especially with the game's cinematic (in a good way) ragdoll physics and particle effects and the feedback you get from firefights (guns, environment, shots on enemies, enemy movement and chatter) is godly!

But yeah, I would've loved there to be at least ... Ion Fury tier enemy variety ? They have melee guys and mechs so that bumps up the enemy types to three... maybe 4 if you count the ghosts (they suck) .
Also the movement speed of the protagonist is also slow as hell. I don't need him to be DOOMguy fast, but he is really really slow, probably to give a better illusion of the enemies flanking you etc.

>are you ____

No, the Selaco art poster is me, the guy who likes Ion Fury (and Shelly from Ion Fury).

>>9262589
>one type of enemy
Grunts, heavies, assassins, power armors, turrets (and nightmares on last level).

>>9262553
Doesn't stutter for me.

>>9262616
>WORKS FOR ME

>>9262603
Who gives a shit at this point, Ion Fury and all the the other early access shit can go fuck itself at this point.

>>9262625
>who gives a shit
I do.
If you don't have anything constructive to say, just don't post you underage fuckface.

Hey lads, is there a mod or wad that has doom's enemies with cybernetic parts?
I really love the concept after seeing the cyberdemon and mancubus

>>9262604
>Different weapons for the humans too, but you'll say that doesn't count.
If anything I’d say the ghosts and bosses don’t count, and the super armored dudes and mechs are boring fights. You’ve basically highlighted the shitty enemy variety that brings the game down so good work and yeah, a response isn’t needed; I genuinely appreciate you.

>>9262636
Doom Roguelike Arsenal has an entire cybernetic tier of enemies. There's a difficulty option where you will encounter just those iirc.

did they just out DNF the original DNF?

Ion Fury sequel with John Blade? Is it time SiNbros?

>>9262649
I find it incredible that you show a blade cameo or even sidekick and not fucking Elexis.

Cowards.

Still an interesting looking game, but I really dont like how shelly looks as well here. Poor girl.

>>9262616
it did for me in the demo until i lowered physics settings. (which seems to be the "fuck it option" while they optimize the engine and game).
though it ran well otherwise.
>>9262565
>As we established last time
who is we?
>the only thing they're doing is multi-threading resource loading
still a massive improvement next to the (at least seemingly) nothing the chicken man does.
>>9262581
the demo convinced me otherwise, even early it seems to be a great proof of concept, especially being that was the first level the creator made. (and not having nearly the full enemy roster)
>>9262589
>three weapons
plus equipment, melee and grenades
>one enemy type
there are more, but i would partially agree, though the amazing AI is great at hiding this
>>9262603
probably a fair few, its a pretty obvious engine to use, despite the potential issues (like GPL compliance and potential performance issues).

Phantom Fury just made me (Shellyposter) cum. Big splooge.
Realms Deep already redeemed.

>>9262621
Yes, it literally works on my machine.

Phantom Fury looks good, hoping we can play as Blade and really hoping Elexis Sinclaire shows up.

>>9262656
>who is we?
Literally fifty posts in a thread ~3 weeks ago with the exact same person posting now making the exact same claims about Selaco who totally 100% isn't a dev, definitely not.

>>9262660
I wish. Fuck Shelly.

>>9262657
I hope Aftershock isn't cancelled though. Phantom Fury does look good. Is it on Darkplaces engine?

>>9262664
>I wish to fuck Shelly.
Fixed.

>>9262656
>though the amazing AI is great at hiding this
Sadly, their TTK is great at hiding their AI. It kind of reminds me of what Duke3D’s troopers are capable of yet they’re dead within seconds of appearing on the screen. The other route is Unreal, where early Skaarj encounters last more than a few moments - which may not feel satisfying - but they have an interesting amount of moves.
I found the Doom 3/Quake 4 approach much more favorable than what FEAR was doing, even with how dumb they can be in either of those games.

Now Nightdive just needs to drop a release date for the remaster, I'm ready for the Sinaissance

Romero shilling crap and having great hair, at least some things never change.

>>9262665
Unconfirmed engine, but the specs make me doubt that.

>>9262662
though i remember knowing about the multi threading three weeks ago, i don't remember having a conversation here about it, so you must be thinking of a different person.
>>9262670
i get that, halo id say would be also a good comparison, the AI does less to you initially, but is quite "reactive" in a way that the FEAR ai has trouble expressing.

>>9262676
I hope it's still on some kind of retro engine.

>>9262667
She looks even worse here are you all blind?
Why keep pushing this useless character. Oh well.

>>9262676
Didn't they show a 3d ion fury protoype last realms deep? I think they said there which engine they were trying.

>>9262683
Characters are quite useless in retro shooters. The setting is more important.

lol what the hell was that hentai game

>TaylerMC Nigger

>>9262686
visibly cringed
what were they thinking

>>9262684

>>9262692
I would be pissed too if I lost the same arm TWICE

UUOOOH SUPPLICE EROTIC

Skillsaw should make his own GZDoom engine game and release it on Steam for moneys. Guy's a genius and I wish him success. I actually hope he's working on one.

>>9262703
pretty much anyone with a name really, a lot of these shooters shown in realms deep look...they like ass there are no two ways about it

All these coming 2023 who are they kidding here?

>>9262684
The thing way more important to an FPS over the character is the guns: Those are in your face the entire game.
>>9262678
>i get that, halo id say would be also a good comparison, the AI does less to you initially, but is quite "reactive" in a way that the FEAR ai has trouble expressing.
Not only that, but the Halo games don’t have all their major fights stuck in tiny boxes. FEAR, D3 and Q4 are all guilty of this, and not one of them have a fight on the scale of what’s even in Halo 1.

oh hey, its Icarus
now put my boy Decino up

t>>9262713
eggwife looked so bad and not in a good meme way.
>>9262717
first realms deep? I'm still waiting for the games they showed on RD2020 kek

>>9260767
I found Sigil to be a chore. Lava everywhere, narrow paths and vast height differences (Crispy Doom's vertical turning looks crappy). It also looks cluttered.

>>9260945
Speaking of realistic layouts, Suspended in Dusk has got to be my favourite WAD. Textures are vanilla and neatly aligned, which go hand-in-hand with the somewhat realistic architecture and layout. Enemy counts are moderate, and ammo is neither excessive nor inadequate. My only complaint is that you get the SSG far too late in the game; it's tedious spamming the SG at Pinkies.

>3D shooters with less detail than Quake
>2.5D shooters with lower pixel density than Doom (directional sprites optional)
>no 255 color palletization to be seen, making everything washed out with no contrast
>shitty post-processing effects everywhere
>"""retro"""
The absolute state of these games.

>>9262703
I like to think Valve swept him up.

>>9262720
I think someone saw the sucess of Cruelty Squad and got the wrong conclusions from it

>>9262723
And another complaint: it's all techbases, so that distinctive design style isn't fully explored.

That Fortune's Run game looked pretty good. In some alternate universe we got Shadow Warrior sequel with such sick melee/sword combat.

>>9262719
decino doesn't play pretender games.

>>9262738
I thought it looked pretty shit. The sway was horrible.

>>9262724
What I intensely dislike is that a lot of these shooters make themselves look worse in order to chase that "retro" look and sometimes it works, sometimes the game goes way overboard with stripping down polygons / detail and it's a bit depressing.

Especially when you consider Ashes 2063 / Ion Fury putting a lot of effort into looking good, despite still looking instantly like a classic shooter. Hell, some of these entries made me appreciate DUSK more because while it's a bit too low poly for my tastes, it's at least not unbearable with it's style.

I find it funny on how some people are getting a bit fed up by how diluted and similar all these retro shooters are.

I still like hyperstrange, Elderborn was a great dark messiah. I hope brain damaged would help them make a sequel.

>>9262738
That was a direction they took for the newer ones that just wasn’t for me, I prefer the kung-fu shootan emphasis not so much all the “sword moves”.

>>9262745
>getting
I was already sick of it last year.

>mandalore shilling compound fracture

this game looks sick actually

>>9262641
thanks, it looks amazing

>>9262724
>directional sprites optional
I hate this in particular, it's the primary reason I won't play Viscerafest.

The dino shooter looks really good actually.
I wrote this before previous anon posted his comment but I failed the captcha 3 times.

Dusk is okay. Gloomwood also does not go overboard with the details and I love that.

Gameplay should be the focus.

>>9262750
I guess with the shit there is always something worth it in there.

>>9262760
>Gameplay should be the focus.
None of these games focus on trying to make the gameplay anything special, and end up just being worse than the games they're copying.

>>9262763
For every decent game theres 2-3 trash games. Just filter out the copycats & russian scams.

>>9262763
Other genres seem to get it. From city building to stuff from fucking SAGE.

I guess fps are easier to make. I dont know

>>9262747
That's actually the reason I brought the comparison. The sword combat in nuSW is sluggish as hell. In Fortune's Run it looks flashy with bullet deflection, DMC-style juggling etc.

>>9262768
Even the "big" games like Dusk bring nothing to the table.

>>9262771
Indie retro-style FPS is the new pixelshit platformer. Everyone and their mom is making one. A lot of the games being shown look like a dev's first project.

>>9262773
Meh. I still enjoyed it a lot. Quake but better.
A lot of these games are trying to be "X but better" but they're not even close.

>>9262754
I meet them halfway. It’s a lot of extra work for something we’re not likely to see 95% of the time, and I’m certainly not petty enough to let that get in the way of what could be good gameplay. I’ve also played it and don’t think I’d recommend it, the first episode was way too linear for what I wanted

>>9262773
>>9262763
Yeah we get it dude, you're so cool for being negative on everything. Maybe one day you'll grow up.

>>9262553
Which is exactly what they are doing according to a blog post.

>>9262786
>more flat sprites

come on people, REKKR did it you have no excuse

>>9262791
Excuse me for not being wowed by low-effort clone games.

>>9262791
He's right however. I still like Dusk, and am hyped for gloomwood, ( especially since its trying stuff thief could not do).


Curiously the guys that did terminator resistance I consider the real mid sized devs that are trying AA stuff. I bet the robocop game is going to be cute. And actually decent.

>>9262796
It's not that. I don't get "Wow'd" by a lot of them either but you're just kinda being really obnoxious about it. Like in every thread. And commenting "lol who cares" when people actually try to discuss things.

>>9262801
Well that's a your mileage may vary kind of "right". I don't really think a shooter particularly needs to be bringing something new innovative to the table, I personally just want it to be entertaining through the ride.

so many of these games look exactly the same

>>9262806
You' started it by saying gameplay should be the focus. These games focus on neither.

>>9262806
He's right the sense for example than 2d platformers also started trash but eventually went above and beyond what you could do in 8 bit 16 bit while retaining and integrating new gameplay mechanics.

>>9262806
>I don't really think a shooter particularly needs to be bringing something new innovative to the table, I personally just want it to be entertaining through the ride.

This is a terrible stance. I am not asking for a revolution each game, but you bet your ass you look at say MDK and see 90s devs had another sense of style and humour instead of your shit indie project.

Nothing of IF yet?

Chasm port?

>>9262823
>you look at say MDK
Incredibly cherrypicked example.

>>9262813
That wasn't me.

>>9262829
Then why are you replying to me? Fuck off.

The dinosaur game has dinosaurs

>>9262832
>why are you replying to me?
Because you replied to a post I made... ?
But I wasn't the one who said gameplay should be the focus, that was someone else.

Because I personally value both the audiovisual feedback and gameplay.

>>9262786
>Quake but better
Very arguable. Unless we take expansions and custom content into account, then there’s no argument. Still fun with good music despite being Unity and not retrolel

>>9262287

Jaguar version is great. With a map system too. Emulate it with phoenix emulator

>>9262793
How long was Rekkr’s devcycle?

>>9262538
I still firmly believe this is a shit post that was allowed to go under the radar.

>>9262630
>I do.
no one asked.
>If you don't have anything constructive to say, just don't post
4chan would be a wasteland if that was enforced rule.

>>9262865
>no one asked.
Someone did. How’d you miss the green text “who cares” in his post?

>>9262865
>no one asked
Actually, you did.
And no one asked your cynical ass posts either but here we are. Are you upset that people have actually games to discuss?

thank fuck finally

That level editor neat.

what's it mean when UDB doesn't stop building nodes for like 5 fucking minutes

Mike J murdered the Cringelord.

>>9262920
I coaxed it to close the window and it asked if I wanted to save my changes, and it did as such it seems. Fucking weird tho.

>>9260618

a couple of wishlists, a bunch of crap and a shinny Rott port
also trepang stole the show

good enough for me

no Aftershart lamo

>>9262898
For what?


Holy shit no aftershock and no sin remaster or kingpin?

>>9262938
rott

>>9262920
Nodebuilder broke. You might want to consider another before it destroys your hard work.

>>9260618
>3 anons downloaded your mod to beta test it
>zero replies ever since
I feel myself cursed.

>>9262939
that's cool at least

>>9262938
Doesn't the event continue tomorrow?

>>9262952
Isn't it only interviews?

>>9262940
First time it's every done this, and the map seems perfectly fine after >>9262931

Highlights
>Trepang
>ROTT port
>Compound Fracture
>Chasm: The Rift port
>Labyrinth Of The Demon King
>KVLT
>SPRAWL
>The Black Labyrinth

Also maybe
>Slayers X
>White Hell
>Angkara: The Horde

>>9262962
>>9262939
They're finally fucking making with ROTT?

>>9262965
Yup, fucking finally.
https://youtu.be/G8tNtLN-Xb4

>>9262938
No, no, and no. HOWEVER, the SiN guy was in Phantom Fury for some reason lmfao.

>>9262952
In 2020 day 2 was just like day 1. I didn't watch 2021. But by the sounds of it, this year day 2 is reserved for interviews and demo gameplay.

>>9262965
They even showed a cool level editor for it.

The good :
PHANTOM FURY
Supplice

The bad :
No Aftershock (seriously?)
A mass of "boomer shooters" that are nothing like actual classic fps games validate that one anon's post of "boomer shooter" being the new pixel platformer.

The ugly :
Realizing how many underage streamer-fellating faggots post here. The worst ones at that.

>>9262967
>WITH REMASTERED ART AND HD CUTSCENES

>>9262971
Supllice looks boring as fuck.

>>9262962
Forgot 2 games

Highlight
>Peripeteia

Maybe
>Fortune's Run
It looks very Star Wars but in a way I personally liked.

>>9262978
Also forgot Supplice... looked cool... I'll stop now.

>>9262676
>>9262682
It is on Unreal Engine 4.

>>9262974
isn't it bedtime for you over at bongland lol?

>>9262989
It looks mediocre as fuck anon.

I never understood the derision for Sandy Petersen’s maps until I played The Chasm. Hate that tightrope shit

>>9263006
Yeah, it looks bad, it plays bad, it's interesting on the idea level, but it just isn't executed in a way that results in enjoyable DOOM gameplay.

I can't fucking believe how Phantom Fury looks when Fred had said before that there's a limit you can take retro 3D graphics before it just looks modern but ugly.
Graven is fine, Phantom Fury is just straight ugly.

>>9262946
Worry not, Babel (maybe?) bro, I will download and test it after dinner!

Thoughts on 2ch.hk?

>>9262971
>Realizing how many underage streamer-fellating faggots post here. The worst ones at that.
Shitposts here last much longer than a quickly archived /v/ thread though.
It’s also at the least limited to JUST that. Unless I missed it, I haven’t seen posts critiquing maps for projects similar to how people obsess over FPS characters.

>>9263025
>Phantom Fury
It took the worst of both worlds:
Boring modern visual design
Crap assets

It's got the syndrome of the neo-boomer-shooter that i really don't want any part into.
Ion Fury was a happy incident it would seem.

AHHHHHHHHH SHIT FRIDAY NIGHT FIREFIGHT IS FASHIONABLY LATE
I put up a bourgdm.wad server with vrsounds and all that, have fun.
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666

>>9263073
AHHHHHHHH

>>9263067
Really?
Because to me Phantom Fury looked good.
And also a game that would stand on it's own without the whole "le boomer shooter" trend.

>>9262967
Holy shit, fucking took them long enough. Announcement was 2 years ago with little to no info on it until now.

>>9263037
Nope, not me. I wish that guy luck though.

>>9263105
That means I have two mods to test later then. Link me!

>>9263107
No I mean I'm Babel guy, idk who that is. I'll test the mod too though.

>>9260618
More Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Hexen 2, Quake 1, Quake 2, Unreal 1, UT99, SS2, Thief 1, Thief 2, and Deus Ex modders need to more strategically branch out to places besides github and idgames. There's also Reentry.org, Mediafire.com, bitbucket, and gitlab as well.

>>9263123
I use itch.

>>9263123
I thought about hosting a /vr/ website to host anon made WADs and stuff. Problem is I don't know HTML.

>>9263114
Ooooooh okay.

>>9263098
Too much bloom, unnecessary pixelisation/low poly.
Ion Fury makes sense to look the way it look because it's made in Build Engine and the art style really kicks ass.
Phantom is built in Unreal Engine 4 so why the retro gimmick?

It never gets old how you guys get hyped for retraux products, only to inevitably complain how they turn out to be modern slop. Play more Doom.

>>9263145
I simply pay attention to the things I think look cool and ignore the stuff that doesn't interest me

>>9263137
>pic
Those textures desperately need to either be limited to a 255 color palette or be filtered. Shit just looks retarded as it is.

>>9263102
That's because it was originally being developed by Destructive Creations (the guys that made Hatred) using a copy of the original source code (they even showed footage of it running on the Nintendo Switch). I remember this because people (and by people I mean resetera) raised a stink online when they found out who they were the ones working on it. I guess either their port wasn't turning out well during that two year gap or Scott Miller decided not to have his company associate with them anymore and turned to Kaiser who was doing a ROTT port of his own as a side project.

>>9263145
I mean, Ion Fury was legit

>>9263151
So Destructive Creations isn't involved anymore, interesting. Wonder what went down behind the scenes.

>>9263145
>It never gets old how you guys get hyped for retraux products
Most of the time it’s overwhelmingly negative posting about them, so any “hype” is mainly just a few people at best with everyone else doing what they do.

>>9263150
Right? i don't remember any retro games looking like this.

>>9263137
You know, despite me disagreeing with you on it looking bad, I appreciate you giving concrete points as to why you dislike it.
>why the retro gimmick
I feel like it's because the devs can't compete with full on realism / detailed style with the big bucks so they go for retroish looks to cash in on the fad.
That said, I do like the game's style if they can match the trailer in actual gameplay. It looked good, I have high hopes.

Why are you guys talking so much about a not retro game on a retro board if you hate it? Take that behavior to /v/ if you wanna vent your spleen about irrelevant shit.

>>9263178

>>9260738
https://litter.catbox.moe/uu6u1w.zip
Update to Techno-dark anymosity, mostly to fix errors and added difficulties!

>>9263178
>retro fps thread
>a few posts about a sequel to a decent "retro" fps
quit your bitching, game was literally just announced on the boomer shooter presentation, let anons have a civil discussion in peace

>>9263190
>retro fps thread
Yes for 90s shooters and affiliated engines. New Doom discussion is rarely tolerated and this is no different, and nevermind how the “discussion” about them is mostly shit.

>>9263190
half of this thread is about realms deep. stop trying to push boomer shooters as having anything to do with classic fps design philosophies, they're modern games dressed up with what zoomers think is old school.

>>9263173
The game play looks cool yes.
I'm hoping for some exploration and interactivity since it looks a bit inspired by DNF 2001 and Ion had a great level design.
I'll stop talking about it now because you know why...

>>9263178
If you think content is harmful then start posting content you like or report it instead of complaining and doing nothing, dumbass.

>>9263137
Feels like they're cashing in on the DNF 2001 hype ever since that build leaked

>>9262967
Al-fucking-right! I hope this shines a bit more light on this underrated classic. A new level editor sounds promising too, maybe we'll see at least a few efforts for map packs.

Being able to play the game with the remake's soundtrack is a strange option. I honestly like the remake soundtrack for what it is, even if it misses the point on a lot of the original music by turning it all to metal shreds, but I guess it's kind of nice to have there? It doesn't fit classic ROTT itself though. Maybe they're planning to rerelease the remake at some point, I heard it doesn't run quite perfectly on modern hardware.

>>9262973
Hopefully that's something one can address in options.

>>9263145
I still have no interest in the faux retro shooters, I've yet to see one which doesn't look mostly boring (and the manufactured marketing phrase "boomershooter" makes me retch). I like seeing ROTT get a new release because all the existing sourceports are dogshit, and I think the game deserves better, it got overshadowed HARD by Doom 2 back in the day.

I won't buy on launch, I wanna find out whether or not they fucked up, but if it comes out good, then I'm interested.

>>9263128
I can relate to this, except I can't really understand HTML type of thing. Tried to briefly look at it (and CSS), but it's just beyond my comprehension. Had same reaction to QuakeC, which makes me believe that I'm sure as hell won't be a programmer.
>>9263151
>>9263163
3D Realms also left the project, maybe because their relationship with nu-Apogee is mixed at best thanks to Miller. Well, at the very least it was publically announced that original Apogee left the project in the hands of the new one. But nothing about Destructive Creations, from what I can recall.
>>9263178
Anons stopped talking about Selaco though. (^:
>>9263231
>ever since that build leaked
Phantom Fury was in development for two (maybe even three) years though.

>>9262412
>The rationale back when those laws were drafted might have been something along the lines of keeping it an always serious matter which you couldn't even joke about
The rationale behind the laws is to crush the party for eternity
>Trying to hide away national shames
Has nothing to do with shame. The ideas and history are forbidden to be openly discussed or questioned on penalty of imprisonment

Anyways, this new title map kind of rocks. Especially with brightmaps.

>>9262967
>option to use the 2013 reboot's music
Aw man, that's fucking rad. I loved 2013 ROTT's OST. Andy has come such a long way and it hasn't even been 10 years since his first major project.

>>9263128
Html is piss easy. You could knock something functional out in a night with no experience. You could just use neocities and MediaFire or whatever too.

>>9262856
From start to initial release (not sunken Land) it was 2-3 years maybe? I don't remember desu. After that I was working nights and raising kids so much slower for the last ep.

Any other retro FPS games with a game world as fleshed out as Black Mesa from Half Life 1 ?

>>9263298
>Html is piss easy.
Not the anon, but this makes me feel even more retarded because I couldn't understand shit. Maybe I should've put more effort. I just don't wanna give myself the benefit of a doubt.
>>9263303
Hey, how is the next thing coming along (if you feel like talking about it here, that is)?

>>9263328
With area names.

>>9263335
>Hey, how is the next thing coming along
Slowly but surely. I wouldn't expect much to be shown any time soon. Working on a small just-for-fun update for rekkr so other project is in the back seat atm. Just doing some shader stuff mostly right now.
The rekkr thing is a VR missions episode. It's not a huge update. No new monster or anything. Just some MGS VR styled levels as a sorta joke.

Yeup, still Ancient Babeliens. So far so good.
>>9263360
That looks like fun.

>>9263145
>Ion Fury was good and seeing few games getting release dates makes me believe that Aftershock will eventually come out
>Wrath's released part has been good, and rest has now actual release date
>Supplice's demo was good, and full version has the same mappers who've been making always good maps
>Nightdive's remasters have been always good, and I have no reason to believe that ROTT would be exception
I'm realist, not pessimist. I'm hyped.

>>9262480
>For some reason a lot of indie devs are using GZDoom
Because it's proven to be usable commercially, so everybody knows they can use it without having to pore over the license text first, like they would need to do if they swapped engines. It's also the default "Doom with fancy features" engine.

>>9263123
>Mediafire
It's shit.

>>9263396
I'm not planning on using mediafire or neocities anyway. The plan is to use the VPS that hosts FNF & SNS.

>>9263391
>Nightdive's remasters
aren't they responsible for the current fucked up version of Quake that STILL has the awful input latency?

>>9262992
There's been playable demo for a while. You can play it, instead of watching. You will like it, if you like modern doom wads.

>>9263360
>I wouldn't expect much to be shown any time soon.
I figured. Looks nice though.
>Working on a small just-for-fun update for rekkr so other project is in the back seat atm.
>The rekkr thing is a VR missions episode. It's not a huge update. No new monster or anything. Just some MGS VR styled levels as a sorta joke.
I think I saw some screenshots here from you before. It was rad. That's for both "Classic" & Sunken Land versions, right?
...Oh, the "manbitesshark" site is dead. Damn.

>>9263410
I'm too retard to notice it. Howerer for me, it's far from awful. Having new suprisingly long expansion that's on par with best community maps and being able to play multiplayer easily with other noobs was worth the money. Terra's extra maps were cool too.

Nightdive also made Doom 64 remaster (based on Doom 64 EX, which was made by Nightdive member), Strife Veteran Edition, Turok Remasters and Powerslave Exhumed. Nothing bad to say about those.

>>9263410
I don't have much input lag but strafe jump is broken (supposedly the internal refresh rate change)
Blood Fresh Supply never got fixed but that's Atari's fault in part.

>>9263425
http://mockingbirdsoftworks.com/modversion.html
I don't think it'll be vanilla compatible actually. It'll be e6 so it will work with the rekbonus.wad (which is ep5). I dunno, haven't hammered all that out.

>>9263391
>Nightdive's remasters have been always good
Except for blade runner apparently. But I guess that's been getting updates.
inb4 fresh supply.

>>9263410
the quake remaster feels fine in my end, and im on linux.
>>9263145
i like alot of them, they're not all amazing (and it feels unfair to compare them to most wads and fan-maps in terms of combat), but ive had my fair share of fun in them.

been replaying Blood, and is it me or does this game have the worst enemy roster out of all the classic shooters?
Outside of the cultists none of the other enemies pose a significant threat

>>9263575
Despite that, it's still as fun and harder than Shadow Warrior can get. Blood gets better with the expansions and with custom campaigns utilizing all of the cultist types, and realizing how well the other enemies can complicate fights with cultists.

tnt evilution > plutonia

>>9263575
Blood's monsters are the weakest part of the game, because as you put it, only the cultists pose a threat. The game is the sum of its parts, however - in spite of the lackluster bestiary, it more than makes up for it with a god tier horror homage setting, extensive weaponry, excellent atmosphere, and Stephen Weyte.

Minor gripe, but I hate how Blood handles keys. Color coded doors are much more intuitive than 6 random symbols.

>>9260618
Explain why you hate Brutal Doom without old good new bad.

>The Soldier Z + DeusDoom
I NEED more cyberpunk wads, the only two I know of is Auger;Zenith and Diabolus Ex

>>9263674
I don't, i just get bored when I play it with what I find to be odd gameplay decisions. There's better mods for me now.

>>9263674
Balance is shit, not well optimized, generally less interesting than the alternatives to play.

>>9263396
Hey, what's your big beef with mediafire, anyway?

>>9263681

>>9263712

>>9263674
Assault rifles ruined weapon variety in FPS games

>>9263728
>Assault rifles RUINED IT FOR MEEEEE!
Use a shotgun, pistol, or Rocket Launcher, then.

>>9263720
>that chin

>>9263734
>run out of ammo
>stuck using generic AR again

>>9263740
Its not my fault you Needlessly waste ammo like a fucking Fetal alcohol syndrome retard. On top of that, how is the AR a thing that fucking ruined variety? Fuck off with your petty griping.

>>9263674
as a zoomer that used to love BD, its just not as fun as normal DOOM, and other mods are better, its a fine mod, i mostly just don't care for it anymore.

>>9263768
I can see what he's talking about. A lot of games just use a generic assault rifle as the goto workhorse weapon.

>>9263145
Zoomer here, I just want modern fps that isn't the CoD formula or e-sports, simple as.
At least give a better argument like discussion of those shit isn't retro and doesn't belong here or something.

>>9262952
>>9262971
IF atershock reeks of cancelled
and they already announced the sequel which is friedrich's fapping dream of continue pushing bombshell.

In any case, that trailer looks like shit they copied of DNF2001 and Selaco Looks better

>>9263769
i hate it for solo but i miss the times of those full coop servers running 24/7. i played so many good maps/wads i'll never be able to find again.
i remember one in particular that was punk like and full of vulgarity but with decent art iirc. i wish i knew how to find this back it was pretty intriguing.

Have a leak from the DNF2001 Restoration Project.

https://streamable.com/

Their new Graves VA is pretty good, not going to lie. I think that's music Lee Jackson made for the project that's playing in the background as well.

>>9263728
Assault rifles by themselves didn't ruin anything. Its assault rifles combined with a gamepad's limited amount of inputs, and the rising popularity of people wanting to shoot each other in games like Call of Duty.

>>9263814
>https://streamable.com/nr6zqi

Fucked it.

>>9263814
>>9263817
topkek

>>9262116
Really wish the Wolf Stone edition got a port outside TNC cus I find it hilarious

>>9261110
Basically the engine supports psuedo room over room (which is cool for the era) but the devs at Bungie had no idea how to use it convincingly or correctly.

It has nothing to do with lore, its just bad map design.

Sorta like the Zdoom community where they want to use all the effects because they are available but cant use them right and only implement certain effexts because they can, not because its helpful to the map or its presentation.

Good mapset, except for the coop softlocks.

>>9263674
When I first got into Doom a couple years back, I played for nearly 12-months straight using Brutal Doom. At first it was cool, but I found myself turning more and more of the bloat/settings off over time - until basically all that was left was a "Brutal Doom Lite". It also runs like a dog's breakfast and is really unbalanced. These days, if I want that kind of Brutal Doom Lite effect, I use something like Supercharge instead. Babel is my main gameplay mod now; punchy and dynamic but still feels like Doom.

>>9263728
The chaingun in vanilla doom is just an assault rifle in practice anyways

>>9263240
>I wanna find out whether or not they fucked up
Given that it's Kaiser aka Kex man, probably gonna be fine, they got the source freely available and most projects with wolf3d based engines never feel good unless you slap on a layer of something modern like ECwolf taking from zoom or Kex engine being this modern compatible toolkit for kaiser

>>9260631
>trying sucks
>ultra spectres
>wtf huge beta
>dick heavy
>current option goes added gay
>mapper gmota appears

>>9260631
>probably

>>9260989
The motivation for starting next thing is looped into finishing current thing. It's just a discipline thing. At most, you write the new idea down in a brief form somewhere so you can return to it when you are ready to start a new thing, but otherwise any such motivations are channeled around into 'get on with current thing so we can move on to next thing'.
Once you start bargaining with yourself or allowing yourself to work on multiple things in parallell, it's fucking over. Don't do that. It's just chasing a dopamine rush of a new exciting thing that will always, always get boring once you've seen the basic part take shape in the first 20% of your effort.

>>9263710
It's a dogshit file sharing site, fucking 4shared manages to be more useful (once you turn on your adblock).There's no reason to use it over something actually useful like Mega, Dropbox, or GDrive.

>tfw too dumb to solve MAP20 of Doom Zero

>>9263942
Oh wait it's literally just a waiting game and I really am retarded, fuck

>>9262519
>that people are hyping up to be taking strong cues from FEAR
Developers have been doing that themselves so it's not surprise.

It's fucking tiresome when developers do that, it's usually all over their store pages to try and get your nostalgia going and associating their game with something you liked.

>>9262862
why?

Doom 32x is good.

>>9264043
Nah it was crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2HwH1JkAI

>>9261749
Just use the Mark5 sourceport

>>9264026
>It's fucking tiresome when developers do that
>associating their thing with something you liked
Lmao well get ready to grow that naive cynicism because that’s everything everywhere all the time, “remember thing you liked!?” just works.

>>9263815
I only tolerate AR's if they have an underbarrel attachment for alt-fire, which is the only reason HL1's 9mm M4 isn't pure garbage
Also sorry if not retro, but the default enemy gun from Killzone1 with an underbarrel shotgun makes me hard just from a reminiscence of hearing it go *KHRAK!*

>>9264219
>HL1's 9mm M4
>he actually used the HD pack

>>9264219
>>9264219
>I only tolerate AR's if they have an underbarrel attachment for alt-fire, which is the only reason HL1's 9mm M4 isn't pure garbage.
As has been said, any “automatic” weapon like the chaingun is basically an assault rifle. It’s a standard staple to an arsenal if it’s well balanced.
And KZ1 is a PS2 game, that’s certainly “retro”. KZ2 is not, though it was the most fun I had playing an FPS on console. The online was great.

>>9263674
I don't do gameplay mods so I don't know if it plays well or not, I don't really care. BD kiddies were so annoying with their demands to make every fucking wad compatible with their bloated gore mod that I reflexively decided to throw out the baby with the bathwater. It's tainted like Sonic.

>>9263676
Mutiny is great.

>>9263710
It's unreliable. If you want to share your file for a week or two it'll do, but it's hard to predict when your links will expire.

>>9263674
I don't hate it. I dislike the fucked up balance choices and how it set this weird precedent for new modders to follow. It's no fun if there's like 30 new mods and they're all slight variants of Brutal Doom.

>>9264239
Seconding Mutiny, very good mapset.

I don't remember Crystalline episode of Eviternity being so damn slippery, entire exterior is ice rink. Makes me wonder if I was playing it on some wrong engine setting back in the day.

revenant or caco
who is most iconic doom enemy?

>>9264250
caco

>>9263728
Non-sequitur.

>>9263674
>shitty monster balancing makes strong monsters weak
>bloated arsenal, there's like five machineguns and they're not different enough
>emphasis on extreme gore, some of it is very good, a lot of it is not
>atrocious sound design
>runs like shit
There's aspects I like, but many that I really don't.

>>9264221
The HD pack is good.

>>9264221
not an option in the PS2 version mind you

>>9264250
Caco by far

>>9264232
Also this retort does reminds me:
>the gun is called "Chaingun"
>uses small-arms ammunition, not even the .50 BMG
>isn't belt-fed and doesn't even have a chain
>actually is just a non-powered gattling gun
Still pure sex though

>>9263351
For the record I doubt this map is very accurate. IIRC if you combine all the HL1 bsps, the resulting map doesn't make too much sense. So the artist probably had to change shit to make this

>>9264276
The HD pack is a mixed bag for me. I love the M16 / Colt Commando with the M203 and the SPAS-12 model but I don't particularly like the beretta. I also think the marines look a lot better in HD but scientists' and barneys' faces look uncomfortable.

>>9264312
I think it's more about the "spirit" how it would link together. There's a lot of unseen architecture or stuff we only see a glimpse of that would fill the space between the levels. Still overall I would like to imagine Valve had a vision of the general layout of Black Mesa Research Facility and I feel like it all comes together really well in immersing you to the environment.

>>9264250
Caco and I would put the boners behind the Cyberdemon and the Pinky.

>>9264294
>isn't belt fed
yes it is?????

But yeah, calling it a minigun or a gatling would've been more accurate probably.

>>9262519
>>9262480
>>9264026
Meh. Environmental destruction is not exclusive to FEAR, and the "cues from" seems to end there. Well, maybe artstyle is somewhat close to FEAR 2, together with that stupid hud frame.
The real FEAR clone is Trepang 2, and it has nothing to do with GZDoom.

>>9263905
how do you figure? you press the download button and the shit downloads

>>9260619
Chris Vrenna's interview about Quake's soundtrack.
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/qqY4QYqlY2FAV1mki9O2j/behind-quakes-soundtrack-with-nine-inch-nails-chris-vrenna
Rise of the Triad: Ludicrous Edition was revealed on Realms Deep 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqDedfEgprs
Chasm: The Rift re-release will be available on Steam & GOG in October 10th. Date was revealed on Realms Deep 2022.
>>9263480
Thanks for the link.
>I dunno, haven't hammered all that out.
Okay, I get it: time will tell. Not that it's really important to me (I have SL). I was just curious.
>>9264026
>It's fucking tiresome when developers do that
Personally, I think it's more tiresome when developers try to backpedal from it after doubling down on "My game is X meets Y". It can happen unintentionally. Audience can also sperg out and be overly excited for no good reason. Otherwise, you either go all in or keep your mouth shut and don't make such a big deal out of it.
To be fair, you can say that it's hard to say whenever developer just sucks at communication or tries to use it as an excuse to ignore criticism.

>>9262946
give us a link anon

>>9264328
> Environmental destruction is not exclusive to FEAR, and the "cues from" seems to end there
Most of the "FEAR cues" is not about the environmental destruction but rather how enemies communicate, the claim of them flanking the player, exhibiting 'smart' behavior.
How far that claim carries itself is another matter of course.

>Trepang 2
I'm just hoping it will have an actual campaign and not just survival arenas.

>>9263674
It's just mediocre badly balanced gameplay mod. I've never used it, but never hated it either. People are free to play it and enjoy it, if that's their thing.

People hated Brutal Doom for outside reasons. It brought lot of zoomers into community who demanded that every mod and wad should be compatible with brutal doom. They would downgrade your wad, if it was unplayable with brutal doom's balance changes. They all thought that vanilla was boring and refused to play on vanilla. Also it's developer used to be childish bastard who stole stuff from other mods and sperged out when called out.

But now things are better. Zoomers and the developer have grown into adult human beings, there are shitloads of better gameplay mods and nobody claims that brutal doom is "the definite way to play doom". Now it's just one mod among others, not something that tries to replace vanilla.

>>9263802
People thought ROTT remaster and Wrath were cancelled too. Most Aftershock is done, so I doubt it would get cancelled at this point. It might come out after Phantom Fury.

>>9264351
Yeah, they had that Q&A in April this year so I'm hoping it will release by Christmas 2022 or spring 2023.

>>9264250
>cuter
caco
>more interesting mechanically
renevant
>more "series representing"
cyberdemon

>>9264331
Is Chasm a new port or just Doxbox.

>>9264250
They even had the Cocademon as the DOOM95 icon. I'd say it's easily more iconic than Revenant (that only came aboard in DOOM2)

>>9264371
Cyberdemon's recognizable from the coverart and the "to defeat the cyberdemon, shoot at it until it dies" tip from that gaming magazine meme.