/vr/ - Retro Games

Seeing Yoshi on the castle roof was literally all anyone wanted to collect 120 stars for, because gaming culture at this time was built around rumors and secrets. 3D worlds seemed endless and packed with secrets to kids who had no idea what making a game actually entailed; it felt like if you could get past invisible walls or past mirrors you could enter hidden worlds that the developers intentionally put there.

Yoshi on the roof was one of those things that sounded like a rumor but was real, and it was very exciting to actually unlock it.

>>9258652
it's just a little reference
you also get a triple jump that prevents fall damage

>>9258660
Eh, fair enough, in Mario World you just got a faggy little star next to your savegame for finding all 96 exits

>>9258662
>you also get a triple jump that prevents fall damage
Wait wut

>>9258669
yeah that's why it's shiny
i thought it was just for aesthetic at first but try doing it off the roof to the moat

>>9258652
I played it as a kid and >>9258660 is 100% right. We didn't need a cool hat or an achievement. Exploration was its own reward.

>>9258670
Gotta try this tomorrow. I still have the old 120 star save file.
But I can never get myself to get all 120 again. I beat Bowser 3 and get bored :(

>>9258670
huh, i never knew that

>>9258673
OP here, I played it as a kid as well, I still have my N64 and the cartridge from back then, was just playing it last weekend.

>>9258652
>see Yoshi
>he a cute and makes nice footstep sounds
>gives you a badass triple jump with a bounce and sparkles

Worth it.

>>9258652
>whine like a fag about a game I wasn't even around for
>nitpick everything and anything
>have no idea what gaming culture was truly like
>autistic mario thread #48547

Kys

>>9258673
>>9258652
Wacky how people will shit on Super Mario Sunshine for the exact same thing but give Mario 64 a pass.

>>9258941
The sunglasses were neat, but Sunshine has other problems.

WRONG
that one penguin gets super fat too

>>9258941
i don't mind it in sunshine either but the picture should've stayed on screen for longer
also yeah there's worse things in that game in general

Okay, wait a fucking minute…they hate to delete Luigi but they kept Yoshi?? What the fuck?

>>9258652
Hey you also get to use the cannon and wing cap outside the castle… which is the smallest outdoor space in the game… huh

>>9258660
I’ve still never seen him in-game, because I read about what you get and it was so gay I stopped trying. At least let us ride Yoshi and use his powers in every level. How long could that have possibly taken to implement?

>>9259013
tbf, he was still just a recolor for player 2 until paper mario and then luigi's mansion, yoshi had his own game at least
even toad had more than luigi with wario's woods

>>9258652
>no "true ending"
doesn't Bowser say different things if you beat him at 70 stars vs 120? At 70 stars he's a little bitch. But at 120 he says he's truly beaten.

>>9258652
>I hate it when my games have content!

>>9258652
An extra model in a game was a significant amount of content in those days. How many object models are in SM64? Quite a few enemies are sprites. It was actually amazing that Nintendo went to the trouble of creating a Yoshi model for the small percentage of players that would get 120 stars.

But, anyway, the point of 100% clearing a game is to overcome the challenge. The bonus at the end is just a nice acknowledgement from the developers that they appreciate the players who play their games to 100%.

>>9259040
>until paper mario and then luigi's mansion
Luigi had a unique sprite and attributes going back as far as Mario Bros 2. By 1996, he was clearly his own character in both games and media.
The real reason he was cut is because there was no reason for him to show up without multiplayer. You could argue the same about Yoshi after his riding mechanic was cut, but for a one-off secret at the end it didn't matter which scrapped model they reused.

>>9259013
Luigi was only going to be added in the game for the simultaneous multiplayer component, which got cut

>>9259053
OP makes it pretty clear that not all the content is very fun, you just do it for a potential good reward.

>>9258652
Nigga, some developers at the time didn't even know how to make things work in 3D and you are expecting post-game content like a game has nowdays.
You are so sooo fucking stupid, this game at the time, was long enough for months and you pretend more content, this game wasn't built like a cheap rpg in which they make you grind for hours for some stupid jpg element to hide their lack of gameplay or creativity. It was a game full of action and adventure.

The yoshi ending was good, a sweet ending, we all wanted to keep playing the game, but now you have romhacks and more sequels. Stop bitching like a zoomer just because its free.

>>9259078
>An extra model in a game was a significant amount of content in those days.
This is why early 3D sucked cock. Super Mario World had more levels, setting variety, power-ups, MULTIPLE, RIDEABLE Yoshis, each with their own powers. I love Super Mario 64 today for its satisfying movement, but when Nintendo 64 was new I was constantly depressed by the absolute dearth of content in every 3D franchise entry. I switched over to PlayStation simply because it has games that were longer than 20-30 hours.

>>9258652
>tortured yourself to getting 100 coins in Tick Tock Clock and Rainbow Ride
I don't remember tick tock clock being hard, but I remember spending an hour or so trying to get the rainbow ride coins and it drove me insane. The other level I remember being hard was the second water level, the one with the Bowser submarine. Every other level was easy but those two just didn't even seem to have more than 80 coins or so, you had to spam kill goombas and shit if I remember correctly

>>9259097
The content is the reward. Journey, not the destination.

>>9258652
the real reward was seeing yoshi in 3d
the altered 3rd jump was ok and the lives didn't really matter

It was the journey, not the destination.

>>9258670
it's a cool ability but because there's nothing else to do, nobody had any reason to use it

>>9258652
The reward was the fun you had along the way.

I got stuck on the secret of the pyramid star for the longest time.

>>9258652
Say what you will, but the journey was fun.
Tick Tock Clock ain't so bad, Rainbow Ride though yeah that can be annoying to get 100 coins.

Super Mario Sunshine on the other hand.
120 shines is pure filler, a huge chunk of them are blue coins, and the shines aren't intrinsic to game progression; they're incidental to beating Shadow Mario in each area which is the only requirement to unlocking the final level to beat the game.

Sunshine's 120 shines are far less satisfying to collect, and the reward is completely non-existent, just a single worse looking ending screen. It has neither the journey nor the destination.

>>9258652
Miyamoto didnt liked how Rare did collectibles in DKC2 which frankly wasnthe best way they or someone ever did collecthathons.

>>9258660
Sorry but the Reverse Castle on SOTN was better.

>>9259242
>Super Mario Sunshine on the other hand.
Yeah, that game sucked.

>>9258949
>>9258965
t. zoomer plebs

>>9259335
sorry your first core memory wasn't perceived as flawless by everyone else
try looking into games before 2001 for a different perspective

>>9259335
didn't say it was bad but obviously it's got issues, like every game ever made

>>9258652
Would 100 lives have been useful if you hadn't already collected all the stars? The difference in effect of losing a life versus getting a game over is so miniscule that I'm sure only hardcore fans of the game could even explain what the different effects are.

>>9258662
its also the only way to acess the secret level. you

>>9258652
You also get to fly around the castle and a new triple jump.

There's no actual technical reason why Luigi could not have appeared in the game. They just chose not to put him in. But Nintendo never responded to questions with that answer back then and will hardly ever be honest about such things even these days.

>>9259634
Your dad must have been a low level employee because my dad also works at Nintendo and says that the text on the Luigi block instructs how to execute a line of code that enables Luigi in the game.

>>9259353
>I never played it and get my vr opinions from Youtube
Okay zoomer trash

P.S. Kill yourself

>>9258652
Getting to climb to one of the out-of-reach areas that tantalized the imagination, along with meeting an iconic characters in the series and even having a conversation with him, was amazing at the time. The 100 lives were a great bonus for feeling strong and messing around, and the bonus jump just plain looked awesome. I also value the moment a lot because it was a meeting and conversation with the OG style Yoshi, the adult who sounded cool and starred in Yoshi's Island, one of my favorite games of all time.

>>9258660
I played it at the time and felt it was a let down. Every 3d Mario has shitty endings and rewards though.

>>9259107
Agree with this anon. I also remember early 3D to be somewhat bare, dire, and not looking so neat as late 2D. Yoshis Island looks gorgeous compared to M64, colorful, varied, with a cleary defined design style. When the novelty of 3D wote off the realization was that in many ways it was a step backwards.

>>9259134
But it's the same level over and over again. They adequately fixed that in Banjo-Kazooie, where you would stay in the level when you got a jiggy

>>9260114
At least with Mario Odyssey I didn't feel like the game expected me to get more than the iirc 500 moons to reach that final (bastard of a) level. Is there any reward for actually getting them ALL?

>>9260115
No, a bunch of levels, especially early on, change depending on which star you choose.

>>9260117
Meant for >>9260010

>>9260118
They barely change, I think the biggest changes are the tower on the thwomp level, and the ship being refloated. Just have the tower emerge from the ground, that would have been awesome. And once you get out of the ship it's refloated and the sky clear. Of course then some stars would have been almost no challenge, because they're just re-tracing the same level over again. Which was just shitty filler design tbqhwy

>finally get to Yoshi
>there's a typo in his message
>get up
>rip cartridge out of the slot
>don't even turn the console off
>try to flush the game down the toilet
>it gets stuck
>grounded for a month

>>9260280
That's incredibly autistic.
You sound like an alright anon.

>>9259737
Literally every youtuber loves Sunshine.
Criticizing a first party Nintendo game is platform suicide.

>>9258660
It's this. Everyone went fucking insane about hearing Yoshi was out there just waiting to be found hiding in plain sight atop the castle. Everyone had their own methods to try to get up to the roof without 120 stars. The actual gameplay reward was just icing, seeing what sounded like an easily fake rumor come to life was mystifying.

It was all about that particular era. You had a completely random shot in the dark as to if what you'd been told was true or not. But the times it was made all the hard work worth it.

Nowadays everyone just looks up a Youtube video of stuff like this and all of the secrets are datamined with proof within 24 hours, so no one cares anymore and accomplishments mean nothing. It's a huge shame.

I printed out like 50 pages of "How to find Luigi in Super Mario 64" rumors from n64cc.com and tried to do them one by one.

>>9260639
>I printed out like 50 pages
I used to do this with GTA codes, and got yelled at for wasting ink.

>>9258660
God I miss the mysteries in games so much. It's even harder knowing that now as an adult I'll never get that same feeling I had when I was a kid. Now every secret in a game is spammed online so quickly, it just isn't the same. Super Mario World rom hacks are the closest I've been able to get to having any kind of mystery because they usually don't have all their secrets spammed everywhere and people can be creative.

>>9258652
Bowser's battle text DOES change when you have 120 stars you fuckin' turdburger.

>>9260569
I remember the Nintendo magazine in Spain back then publishing a little report where they showed you could get on the roof without the cannon, but yoshi isn't there if you don't have 120 stars.

>>9261328
Well alright, don't call me turdburger you fudgepacker.

Hop on, /vr/. You want all of the power stars, don't you?

>>9260117
>Is there any reward for actually getting them ALL?
Your ship turns gold, you get to fight a harder version of the final boss, and there's a callback to Mario 64 where you get a secret if you go to the castle roof.

>>9258660
It's this. Hearing about it at the lunch table because some kid's cousin's older brother found Yoshi and then actually pulling it off after months of trying was about as exciting as it gets in gaming.
Considering there were tons and tons of rumors out there such as fake characters in Smash Bros or unlocking Luigi in Mario 64 it was kinda crazy when any rumor actually came true.

>>9259479
Mario if he real

>>9259242
It would have been better if there were clues in the game, most of those blue coins required a player's guide.

>>9259634
Because a 2-player co-op split screen on that system would have run at 10 fps

>>9259107
>I switched over to PlayStation simply because it has games that were longer than 20-30 hours.
rpg trash are not games

>>9259040

>>9258665
Yeah, but 96*ing SMW was fun in it's own right. And it doesn't take long when you've mastered the movement. Getting 120 stars in Mario 64 felt like a chore, regardless of how fun it is to move in the 3D space, because you can get fucked over at the last coin by slipping off a ledge or whatever. It wasn't just a collectathon in SMW it was more like a puzzle trying to find the secret exits.
I like Mario 64s movement and gameplay but it's level design isnt consistently good and it's camera is shit. Still fun, but it's less fun to 100%

>>9258652
Fuck you it's the only game I ever 100%ed and I enjoyed every last second of it.

>>9262414
>split screen
Go play The multiplayer mod on Wii. Single camera, bunch of fun. Really just just needed a tag along system so if you got too far luigi would teleport back near Mario.

>>9261681
Not true. He's there regardless. And you can triple jump then wall jump off the vertical green grass on the right of the castle and just barely make the jump. Yoshi is there.
It's fucking hard though. I'm not good enough for that shit.

>>9258652
Ohhhh... but you didn't find the true reward...

>>9262502
Mariolet here, I've only played some SM64 DS. What makes for good movement in a Mario game?

>>9260280
This fucking killed me, sounds like something I would've done

>>9262457
3rd party spinoff that was barely a mario game at all

>>9261314
>Now every secret in a game is spammed online so quickly, it just isn't the same.

>perpetually online autists can't comprehend the idea of not actively seeking out and exposing themselves to spoilers
grim

>>9259479
The portrait to Paper Mario

>>9263169
You find out some of this shit whether you want to or not with how the modern internet works. Plus you can't even have a safety net of quasi-unreliable friends and acquaintances to discuss games with anymore, everyone ELSE is spoiling themselves. Used to be that secrets would be a bit of a collaborative effort and hearsay, the people you know would throw in what they'd heard or experienced and might be wrong or making shit up. Now it's entirely up to you and you'd have to somehow avoid every bit of discussion about the game on any media platform or any chat services you use. You simply can't have what used to be.

>Yoshi on the roof was one of those things that sounded like a rumor but was real, and it was very exciting to actually unlock it.
Quit larping. I thought it was shit even back then and I was 6 at the time.
>Spent all that time autisticlly raging getting every star
>Finally get to the top if the castle
>"Wait -- that's ALL!?"

>>9258652
Getting all the stars was fun for its own sake.

>>9262510
Not that I ever had the speedrunner parkour TAS skills to get onto the roof and visually confirm, but I think the trigger for Yoshi appearing is after you complete the third Bowser fight.
If you hang out near the front door of the castle after beating the game, you can hear Yoshi’s footsteps, no matter how many stars you have; but the last time I played I stayed there and listened for a few minutes and heard nothing.

>>9262831
Enough weight to feel solid with enough leeway and moves to improvise well.
With Mario 64 most of the moves are built into Mario (jump, wall jump, triple jump, ground pound, punch, dive, slide, etc), but in SMW its more that you can make snap decisions to grab a turtle she'll, toss it in the air, cape spin an enemy kick the shell into three more, etc. The physics are solid in SMW but have less weight to them. In the 3d games the weight is more important.
All opinions though.

>>9263209
>Disappointed with the obscure bonus content at age 6
Okay anon, but at that age how many other unlikely rumors had you dealt with?
Once you’ve learned that you can’t get past the invisible walls, there’s no Mew under the truck, the Thwomp in Bowser’s Castle isn’t playable, there’s no way to beat the Running Man, and Nintendo isn’t secretly working on a game cartridge with a $100 bill inside that only 100% completionists can get out, things like finding Yoshi are suddenly exciting just on the merit of “Holy fuck, one of the hundreds of bullshit rumors turned out to be REAL”

>>9259242
Yeah, Sunshine is fine if you just beat Bowser and stop there.

>>9263280
>Once you’ve learned that you can’t get past the invisible walls
Yeah, about that...

>>9263221
>>9262510
just tried it out because your conversation made me was curious
he's definitely not there at the beginning of a fresh file

>>9260569
>>9261314
>>9262329
>>9263201
This was ONLY true for little kids, anyone old enough to read video game magazines knew Yoshi was real, how to get to him and what he did. 7 year olds today still have that "experience" you say doesn't exist anymore.

>>9264027
there's no hidden yoshi in fornite

>>9258652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CtHASTbjZ0
You're welcome

>>9258652
>nothing, nada
That’s not true, you get a “special” message from this mister turtle.

>>9260280
Lel

>>9260569
>It's a huge shame.
It definitely is, not even picture manipulation is worth it anymore.

>>9258652
sort of happens the same after you beat the last mission on gta liberty city stories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIw-_JM90EY

>>9258652
The real reward was 100%ing the game m8. Did you want Nintendo to send out a hooker to give you your first blowjay instead? Lmao Smh

>>9259031
>At least let us ride Yoshi and use his powers in every level. How long could that have possibly taken to implement?
Lol game mechanics take a long fucking time to implement actually. First there's perfecting the mechanics themselves to make them feel right, then there's ironing out all the glitches. Implementing non-janky Yoshi gameplay like that would have taken months and months of dev time.

>>9262502
Agreed. Also some levels are particularly a chore where you have to retrace a long way every time like Tall Tall Mountain or Rainbow Ride

>>9258652
>What were they thinking
"At least it's better than nothing."

Anyway, you should have realized long before that point that the game was retarded when it kicked you out of the level after getting a star.

reckon peach masturbated in the mirror room

>>9258660
literally this. I would have made Mario suck boo cocks in that princess garden over and over again if it meant I could play as Luigi like the rumors used to say

>here's 100 lives
>get infinite lives just by pressing resetting the game
LMAO

>>9264184
I reckon so

>>9264005
Ahhhh my bad. Must've been on an already 120* save.

>>9264954
Dumbass.

>>9260569
Pretty sure the arkham games had secrets dataminers didn't find

>>9258652
it's about the journey not the destination

>>9258652
this game is terrible, is the biggest mandela effect in existence

Mega Man 9 fucked everything up when it came to secrets and rumors. The devs literally made up an easter egg in an attempt to get people to play the game more, and dozens of people (including the people who made Pop Fiction from GT) wasted hours upon hours looking for something that never existed.

Ever since, nobody hunts for easter eggs or secrets just in case it is a giant waste of time like with MM9. If there is something hidden in a game today, it will only be found by accident or a dataminer.

Could be a lot fucking worse