/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9221875
"why the protagonist makes my peepee so hard?"

>>9221875
it was awesome. still pretty awesome today too.

N64chad here. Don't know, don't care.

>>9221875
Utterly mindblowing if you solely games on consoles (which is most of /vr/). 3D graphics was in its infancy and few people had any exposure to it outside of Super Mario 64. It was inconceivable to see something novel-length with 3D visuals from start to finish (even though 90% of those visuals are just characters standing in a room talking to one another). The music was mesmerizing. Most children playing videogames hadn't ever experienced a story that actually pulled at their heartstrings (anime in the west was in its infancy) so the Aerith death was memorable, there literally wasn't any console game with true cinematic tragedy in full 3D prior to that.

It didn't age well at all though.

>>9221875
Utterly mindblowing if you solely gamed on consoles (which is most of /vr/). 3D graphics was in its infancy and few people had any exposure to it outside of Super Mario 64. It was inconceivable to see something novel-length with 3D visuals from start to finish (even though 90% of those visuals are just characters standing in a room talking to one another). The music was mesmerizing. Most children playing videogames hadn't ever experienced a story that actually pulled at their heartstrings (anime in the west was in its infancy) so the Aerith death was memorable, there literally wasn't any console game with true cinematic tragedy in full 3D prior to that.

It didn't age well at all though.

>>9221875
same as it is now but the graphics look like shit instead of looking like the future

40 y-o boomer here

It was really big. a system seller just like Super Mario World SNES or Super Mario 64. Graphics/FMVs were second to none. Everyone that was into gaming back then knew about FF7.

>>9221875
I wasn't super thrilled with the lego man like character models, but it was the best you could expect from an RPG of the time. Other than that it was a blast, it really felt like a proper "next gen" game after FFVI.

It felt truly revolutionary. No wonder so many kids/teens were completely obsessed with it back when.
It pretty much finally broke the lock on JRPGs gaining true popularity in the western world, which they were seen as overwhelmingly niche.

The pinnacle of humanity

>>9221875
It was ok. I wasn't super into rpg's but my girlfriend at the time was and it was nice to smoke bong and watch her play.

>>9222334
need millennial gamer girl pussy, how can niggas believe the wall exists

>>9221875
badass

>>9221890
You can see this was drawn by an incel. If those tits were real they'd be saggy and deformed. This pic's artist almost certainly never had a nice firm tiddy in his mouth. Shame.

>>9222349
I don't understand your comment.

>>9221875
no idea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Literally creaming over the FMVs and summonings. At the time used to think they were the most realistic graphics in the world and would play the midgar section up to the sector 5 reactor over and over again making multiple saves just to watch the FMVs. Seeing stuff like Cloud escape jumping onto a train seemed so badass at the time seeing a game portray action stunts like that in visual storytelling.

>>9222452
bro... I need. i NEEEEEEEEED

My friends and I would only play it on weekends or after school when we could all get together to see it. Then we got out of Midgar and the long, pointless slog began for about 20 hours of filler and our group slowly dropped off. By the time Aeris died it was only me and my female friend Bryce still playing it.

>>9221875
My mother offered to buy me a video game at toys r us and literally said to me “this looks cool how about this one?” and I turned it down for Punky Skunk.
(I eventually got it the following month).

>>9221875
Honest to god I hated it. I couldn’t believe this was what Final Fantasy turned into. I hated the setting, I hated the systems and it looked like shit. I’ve come to appreciate ot more as I got older but goddamn was I disgusted by it on release, I could not understand why other people liked it.

>>9224906
Did U marry her

>mfw still had a saturn at that point and had to listen to all my friends never stfu about FF7

>>9224956
Based Saturn chad

>>9221903
Pretty much this. Nothing compared at the moment. Unfortunately, it lead us to the "graphics first" mentality we are stuck with. I don't care about graphics, is the game good?

>>9224956
You got panzer dragoon saga retard, it was objectively superior.

>>9221903
>>9226076
So if I never played it before I shouldn’t bother now?

>>9226081
At that stage in the Saturn lifecycle, kids who originally got the Saturn had already begged their parents enough to get the PS1 or N64 and left their Saturn gathering dust.
Hence the price tag for that game. I paid £100 for it over 10 years ago.
I do adore it though and play it every year because it contains absolutely no filler.

Anyway, FF7 was quite the experience at the time, and incredibly popular. It introduced JRPGs to a lot of people.

>>9226095
My brother was one of the lucky ones who got it from some mom & pop place for retail, and I managed to grab a copy of Rayearth from the same place.

Obviously he got the better deal.

>>9226076
I never got the hype about the graphics, outside of the rendered cutscenes it was average for the time. I do remember shitting on the music though, like the game is on a CD and they gave us fucking midis to listen to when other games were already doing orchestrated stuff.

>>9221875
It was more social than you'd think. Back then there were far fewer games in general, let alone AAA. It meant that everyone was playing the same stuff. Every magazine you cracked open had something in it about FFVII. It wasn't the only big game people were talking about but it was one of like...10? FFVII was one of those cultural touchstones that everyone who was playing video games was experiencing annd you really felt that. It was the gaming equivalent of the MASH finale. It was an "I was there" moment. That's one of the things that modern gaming just doesn't allow anymore.

>>9226103
It sounds rose tinted but you're not wrong - there are a lot of non-gamers who played FF7.
Another thing I remember well was walkthroughs for it in a ton of games mags. We look at it now and it's a very linear game, but for most people unfamiliar with JRPGs the scale was overwhelming.

>>9226083
I think it’s worth playing simply because of how much of a tremendous impact it had on the whole medium. If you enjoy JRPGs then it’s fucking essential. If you hate them, then you might still find it palatable because of the music, characters, and set pieces, but I doubt the gameplay or story will blow you away. For those of us who experienced it at such a young age, it was a goddamn fucking marvel.

>>9226083
yes you should play it, just keep in mind it's a 25 year old game. so if you are ok with the jrpg gameplay from that era, then you will have a blast.

>>9226115
Yeah, I think what sounds rose tinted but is legitimately true is that in the 90s there was genuine interest in whatever newfangled tech came around the corner. You got so used to something mindblowing coming out every six months that just plain was impossible to do before then. The hype train was just that much more potent.

FF7 made me a tranny therefore it’s shit
FF9 is kino

It was magical, probably because I was 8 as well
but so was tomb raider 2 and abe's oddysee and crash bandicoot 3 and now I'm depressed

>>9226083
No way. If you like any of the classic SNES JRPGs then you would really be doing yourself a disservice by skipping FFVII. It's honestly very good.

>>9222403

My ex had tiddy that big, it's not impossible. They do sag and droop out of a bra, but that just comes with the territory. With support underneath you'd be amazed how they look.

>>9226143
>>9226159
>>9226182
I’ve never played a single rpg or jrpg except for .hack infection back in 2003. I know nothing about this genre

>>9222403
My gf has big tits and that's how more or less they look if she's bent over on something. Relax brah.

>>9226081
It's not.

>>9221926
That was how I felt too. I loved the environments and cutscenes but wasn't too crazy about the low poly field models. They felt like a step backwards from the SNES RPGs I'd been playing. It's hard to overstate how popular the game was though. FF7 and Resident Evil 2 were the first really big blockbuster games I can remember. They had ad spots in mainstream magazines and during prime time television. Everyone from the younger kids at school to my parent's literal boomer coworkers were playing them. That kind of reach was unthinkable just a few years before.

>>9221875
Instant GOAT. Literally nothing has touched it since, for me.

I've been trying to find another JRPG this good for the last 20 or so years with no luck. Nothing quite the same

I remember a friend of mine on IRC sending me a picture over DCC which was a preview of the graphics in FF7, scanned from a magazine I guess. He was very impressed with the picture for some reason. I thought it was nice enough.
When I finally played the game, I liked it. Though I thought some of the sidestory stuff (Chocobo racing, tower defence, etc) was goofy. Never was too impressed by the graphics, which were far surpassed in 8 and 9 anyway.
I thought Yuffie was hot. Tifa kinda was, too. Aeris was not.

>you're old enough that people are starting to ask what was it like about games you played in your teens
just end me

>>9226301
Aeris is too forward and extroverted, and it's pretty heavily implied her fucking flowers were code word for prostitution. Fucking Tifa under the Highwind was the correct choice.

>>9226271
What kind of games do you like?

If you've never played a proper JRPG I wouldn't bother. You'd probably be the target audience for FFXIII instead, which is sort of jrpg lite. Don't judge the series on it tho

>>9226301
>Aeris was not.

nobody i knew liked it. it was considered a bad game among final fantasy fans.

>>9226271
>>9226159
FF7 blew up at a time when nobody had played RPG's, don't worry it'll suit ya, shit dude it suited me and I first played it in 2012. It's become my favourite game and I'm not even a big fan of RPG's

>>9224906
anon did you marry Bryce

>>9226313
I'll say that after PS2 era I didnt play games much anymore as I started high school, but growing up I played platformers and FPS games, some adventure/action games. Does Pokemon count as an RPG? I guess I played a lot of that.

>>9226167
FF9 is what!?!
Go back or kys

>>9226271
if you've never played an rpg, then probably no, don't play it. for example, i wouldn't recommend an arena shooter to people who have no interest in shooter games.

>>9226480
>If you've never had a job before, then probably no, don't get a job.
Thank you anon, very cool! How insightful that you should refrain from doing X if you haven't done it before

>>9226271
I think FFVII a pretty good filter for deciding whether JRPGs are a genre you’d enjoy exploring or not. My zoomer cousin played it recently and really enjoyed it so it’s not like it doesn’t hold up.

Just play it anon— it’s a fucking classic and it can be emulated flawlessly. There’s no shame in dropping it if you think it’s shit.

>>9226513
shit nigga i know somebody born in 2003 who is playing this shit

>>9221875
Coming from N64, it was like I had fallen into a moody world of unlimited atmosphere. I was worried the whole game was Midgar. You can imagine my shock later on.

>>9221875
everyone I knew just used gameshark to spam knights of the round

>>9221875
I honestly missed the 2D style of the SNES Final Fantasies. At the time, I didn't have a PSX, but had a PC, so the first time I played it was on PC, and it was not a smooth experience. This was like Windows 98 or something, and it was not a good PC by any stretch of the imagination, so the game lagged like crazy. I still tried to stick with it but only got partway into the second disc.

I just didn't really get into it and still have never finished it. I felt like if the whole game took place in Midgar it would have been a lot better, and I just didn't really care about Sephiroth as a villain or Cloud as a hero. Too much melodrama on both sides.

I was 13 when it launched and it absolutely blew my mind. I was already into JRPGs because of Chrono Trigger, the Final Fantasy games, and Phantasy Star 4 but I was not expecting such a massive leap forward in audio and visual quality. Any words I use to explain the feelings I had playing it would be a massive understatement, I was in awe and so was everyone else my age I knew who was into gaming. Before it launched I remember hanging out in an electronics store watching this ad play over and over again at a Sony kiosk and just thinking HOLY SHIT:
https://youtu.be/DDxikKSDtZg

>>9226490
that's a retarded take. it's not about not having done it before, it's about not having interest in ot. if that anon was into jrpgs, he would have played more already. a better analogy would be if you already have a job as a software engineer and work from home, you probably don't want to get a cashier job at walmart.

Most of FF7's popularity came from people who didn't normally play RPGs. The game had a massive advertising push in the States which just showed off the FMV cutscenes and didn't even let on that it was a turn based RPG. People who didn't play a lot of RPGs bought it and pushed through the gameplay to see the story.

For people who were already well versed in the RPG genre it was not so special. Dragon Quest 7 is not as graphically impressive but had a lot more depth to it.

>>9221875
remember when cloud gets anally raped in the hot tub lol

>>9226571
The fuck is this nihilistic bullshit? The ULTIMATE paradox of your statement is supposing that recommending FF7 to anon hinges on him having already played JRPG's, of which FF7 is a member. HOI4 was the first strategy game I showed interest in and that was in 2017, and I imagine you would've argued on anime messageboards for hours about how I shouldn't have played it because I hadn't played any strategy games prior to it. So yeah, you're gay.

>>9226271
I'm >>9226182 but I think it's still worth playing even if you haven't played any other games in the genre. It's very easy to follow, the characters are great and the gameplay really isn't very contrived. The FMVs and prerendered backgrounds with polygonal characters all work together quite seamlessly outside of battles, and the battles themselves are nicely rendered and don't really feel very drawn out. The soundtrack is also great.
The marketing campaign around the game's release probably has a lot to do with its widespread popularity, but that younger people are still playing it today should speak to its quality. I played it just last year and I really think it holds up. I really don't think it's an overrated game.
There is of course a chance that you just won't like it by virtue of not enjoying JRPGs, but you won't know until you try it.

>>9226083
It's not worth playing in 2022. This is coming from a massive fan. The magic that this game provided was. It felt like a never ending RPG with massive amounts of content. Now that is not the case anymore, it's nothing special to anyone who wants to try it in 2010+. Also zoomers have 0 attention span, as well as need a in-game guide to tell them what to do next. I had other zoomers genuinely messaging me every 10 minutes saying "what now??" when they tried to play it.

>>9226672
who hurt you, anon

>>9221875
The atmosphere was incredible and you felt like you just wanted to explore and explore to learn more about the world. If you weren't used to JRPGs the notion that a game could take 40 hours to complete was crazy.

>>9224913
The only thing I hated at first glance were the popeye arms and I quickly got over that.

>>9221875
Unforgettable. I loved FFVI, so I was super hyped for it. Read anything I could find in magazines, tried to watch the commercials as soon as they came out, etc. Watching the bombing run with my older brother was awesome (we had our own files and traded off, but he had the Playstation in his room so I spent a lot of time watching him play too). I remember calling my parents into the room to show them the battle graphics because they were so impressive to me at the time. Tons of great moments I remember vividly. The whole Wall Market sequence, getting out of Midgar for the first time, reaching the Gold Saucer and getting the lifetime pass. My brother and I getting pissed at Yuffie for stealing all the materia. I could keep good on, but it was basically the whole game that had an impact on me. Even more minor bosses like Air Buster were really memorable. Playing through FFVII for the first time was one of my best gaming experiences, only a few other games can compare.

>>9226571
Thank you, I forget some of these tards on here only think in absolutes and show no effort to make sense of the world around them.

>>9226593
You're going to die lonely, as you should, you colossal fucking retard faggot. You're lacking as a man

>>9226672
I am a zoomer who first played this in 2012, and I would definitely say it's worth playing.

>>9226402
It also helped that it was heavily anime inspired and released at a time when anime was really starting to get a foothold in the US. I vividly remember playing it in the summer of 97 and watching Saturday anime on the Sci Fi channel as a kid. I remember thinking the Gold Saucer must have been based on those weird mushroom buildings from Iria.

>>9221875
magical

>>9221875
i was seven when the game came out and it forced me to quit fucking around and learn how to read at a higher level

>>9226812
Man and anime is even bigger today. 100% recommend for zoomers

>>9226292
Good argument friend.

>>9221875
Game changing

>>9227084
tendies on suicide watch

>>9226098
Holy zoom

>>9224906
anon i need to know did u marry her

>>9227179
no u. FF7 was nothing special from a graphical standpoint.

>>9221875
I thought it was boring, but I admittedly was a 7-8 year old kid who didn't have the attention span for a JRPG at the time.

>>9227082
You don't have one either retard, and you are the attention whore contrarian.

>>9227298
I accept your concession.

>>9226672
As a millenial who played it on the psp, fuck the ancient key puzzle, I searched the entire city for three hours

>>9221875
People forget that games weren't as epic back then and I'm using that term correctly. There were very few extremely long games outside of PC rpgs that used a lot of copy paste dungeons and areas.

This was the first mainstream game that had a shit ton of content packed into the game and it was in 3D and square was leading the way with FMV's in all of their games at the time.

>>9226812
No one played this shit because it was anime inspired retard. Fuck off with your head cannon.

>>9222403
You got legit brainworms dood

>>9226167
>FF7 made me a tranny

The antagonist of the game ingests dangerous chemicals than has an inhuman parasite warp his mind with a lie to try to become something he never can. If you decided to go trans after that, that’s on you.

>>9227206
It was impressive graphics with a mind-blowing (to normalfags) amount of well-presented content. It delivered a good story with tons of characters, a huge variety of locations with very different atmosphere and entertaining gameplay with tons of abilities and monsters, not to mention elaborate minigames like the bike chase, submarine, and snowboarding.

>>9227307
And I yours. You can't even say one good thing about pds. I doubt you have even played it.

>>9226812
>It also helped that it was heavily anime inspired and released at a time when anime was really starting to get a foothold in the US.

How to spot a zoomer that never played this on release.

>>9227358
It's ok to admit when you're wrong anon, that's part of what being an adult is about.

>>9227356
It was par the course for FF, it did nothing special.

>>9227374

>>9227380

>>9224920
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>>9227190
No I did not I married a different girl from my high school

>>9227381

>>9222403
what are you actually talking about? her tiddies are sagging you can see them drooping down and flattening out on the bar. That's actually one of the saggier CG titties I've seen.

>>9222349
this post made me realize this guy is using the word "millennial" to talk about MILFY older women and I feel incredibly old now

>>9227370
one good thing

>>9227374
What I described was special. No other game at the time did what FF7 did. Even if you were a fan of the series and weren't happy with some gameplay choices or the quasi-modern setting, you respected the accomplishment (or you had subhuman levels of sentience).

>>9227410
The fanservice battles with guardian dragon and golia tracker

One bad thing: The fucking tower before getting your dragon back.

MARKETING HYPE
MARKETING HYPE
MARKETING HYPE
MARKETING HYPE
MARKETING HYPE

Is all I remember. That and being totally unimpressed at the game.

>>9221875

Everyone was wondering where the first 6 Final Fantasy games were. Never even heard of the series before.

>>9221875
It was great. Super hyped to play it having loved FF3 or FF6 depending on what you want to call it. Read every magazine article of it. This was the only game I ever woke up early to play. Oldfag here, I was in high school when this dropped. Would set my alarm an hour or more early before school just to get some game time in. Never did that before or after this one. I fall in the group of "this was the greatest game ever made". That remake is revisionist trash though.

I was an n64 fan. Didn't like much on playstation. It was essentially, for me, the ff7 TV adapter. Nothing could ever touch this game. It was bitter sweet. Gaming peaked in 97. I was there for it. But everything since...ugh.

>>9227394
Can I marry her then

>>9227310
>ancient key puzzle
I have zero recollection of this and I beat this when I was 15, I'm 22 now. Mustn't have been hard

>>9227374
FF7 absolutely raised the bar such that the first 6 games aren't really worth playing

>>9227685
Now this is peak zoomie.

>>9226713
Based Yuffie hater.

>>9226812
It succeeds despite being anime inspired, not because of it.

>>9226841
Modern anime is even worse than the 90’s stuff that inspired FF7 and that stuff wasn’t that good to begin with.

>>9227406
Dw about it rofl they ain't my MILFs nah nah nah nah I mean women who are like 28-32 they're more like older sisters to me than MILFs

>>9221921

I remember the day it came out the line to pick up pre-orders was out of the store into the food court of the mall

>>9227645
>tranime poster
>terrible opinion
>/v/ tier formatting

You don’t fit in, you have to go back.

>>9227685
7 is the best in the series, but missing 2/4 and 3/6 is doing a disservice to yourself. They're great games. Kefka is still the douchiest villain ever.

>>9227697
Back when you had Funcoland and Electronics Boutique in the mall. Where PC games has shelf space and malls were still thriving. I'm getting boomer mist in my eyes.

>>9227706
Kefka and Celes are great but they're really the only fantastic parts of FF6's story, the 30-40 hours the game asks you is a big ask when this is all you get. The rest ain't bad, but not especially meaningful. And 6 definitely has the best story of the first 6.

playing through it rn and just got done with the mine. i think it’s good so far. red is my favorite :D

>>9227705
>tranime
Anime website. I'm old enough to have been in to anime before the troon apocolypse in 2014.
>terrible opinion
It was highly marketed and overall to fun compared to Chrono Trigger and Dual Orb 2.
>/v/tier formatting
Wrong
I fit in, I'm here, suck up to a highly overrated somewhere else. Also OP is asking what it was like and that's what it was like.

>>9227737
Okay zoomer, back to fortnite.

>>9227728
So aside from Celes, do I care about:
>Terra
Yes, but she is out of the story for way too long
>Locke
Not really
>Edgar
No
>Sabin
No
>Setzer
No
>Gau
He has one good scene
>That old dude and the little girl
Don't even know their names lol
>Shadow
A little bit. Well actually I probably liked him a lot, hence why I was so outraged by him staying behind on the crumbling Kefka tower and thought it was fucking retarded
>Cyan
No

Aside from optional characters I don't think I've missed anything. If I have then that goes to show how irrelevant they are. This list is also sorted by the order I recalled them when making the list

>>9227741
>What was it like to play this when it came out?

If I answered this question how would be a zoomer? Being so emotionally attached to a videogame is sad, anon. You are so over the top furious for an old game that is very overrated and normies parrot that it is GOAT constantly.

>>9227750
It's obvious you weren't around back then because the game didn't have a massive marketing campaign behind it, you're larping retard.

>>9227757
Well, since you clearly have aspergers for needing to always have the last word and being so worked up over a fucking game I think I'll just let you say another stupid thing and leave it at that.

>>9227737
>2014
holy newfag

>>9227762
>Back to fortnite
Bye.

>>9227745
>Yes, but she is out of the story for way too long
Her narrative wouldn't really benefit at all from extra screentime, so I understand why they wrote her like that. The problem is this is a 40 hour game

>>9227763
Seeing that idiots fly out of the woodwork when this game is mentioned I'll be sure to use it as good trollbait in the future for (you)s

>>9227786
The ass hurt is just radiating from this post.

>>9227789
>>9227786
>>9227768
>>9227763
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>>9227757
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>>9227737
Pleeeeeeeeeeease fuck already

>>9227737
Your opinion is officially wrong, if it was strictly marketing hype it would be remembered as mediocre jank like DK64 which was overly marketed and under delivered

>>9227715
tfw having to run the circuit in the mall of EB->Babbages->Funcoland to try and find which one had the game you wanted in stock. And then somehow the goddamn Suncoast had it instead.

>>9227832
I miss EB

>>9227832
Forgot about Babbages ...damn. Good times. Suncoast and Coconuts always marks their prices up ...kaybee toys too. I think the knew there was a good amount of desperation in a gamer if they made it to their stores in search of something and cashed in on it

Lads where as a 22yo zoomie in Queensland do I find my JRPGpilled gamer girl millennial wife

>>9227685
>FF7 absolutely raised the bar such
No, not really.
Only graphically.
FF7 was special in the sheer volume of high-production-value content, spectacle, and elaborate storytelling, but the actual gameplay is only modestly refined (with apparent influence from the streamlined babymode RPG, Chrono Trigger). The classic Final Fantasy formula was otherwise unchanged by FF7. If you like the gameplay in FF7 beyond the spectacle, you'll probably like the SNES games. Meanwhile if you're a major storyfag who routinely makes comments like "nobody ever plays JRPGs for the gameplay" and tests at Ira Glass levels of testosterone, you'll probably prefer IX and X.

>>9228297
It's a JRPG who cares about the gameplay. The story in 7 is much more valuable than 6's, as is the soundtrack

>>9228307
>The story in 7 is much more valuable than 6's
The story of FF6:
>hybrid esper/human gets found by rebel forces and joins battle against evil empire
>despite best efforts, they fail and the bad guy gains the powers of a god and completely reshapes the world to his desires, and they are scattered to the winds
>one by one they reunite and overcome their personal demons and gather power
>fight bad guy again and win, world is shown to recover from the ordeal and everyone has a happy ending
The story of FF7:
>mind-broken human gets found by childhood friend who works for rebel forces and joins battle against evil empire
>successfully attack the evil empire, only to find the real bad guy was actually someone else so the whole battle was pointless anyways
>travel around the world chasing after the bad guy, one character gets to deal with personal issues, everyone else is just along for the ride
>find out the main hero was actually someone else altogether, but since he's still the same person with the same powers, no one really cares and everything continues on as before
>fight bad guy again and win, world is shown to recover from the ordeal, but time-skip forward so nothing has to be shown
It's basically the same story notes, just with a meaningless twist that doesn't actually change the motivations of the characters any. The main difference is in how the story is told. FF6 is like theater or a play, with no attempt at obscuring or obfuscating anything. FF7 is more like a drama/mystery movie, where certain parts of the plot or hidden or deliberately distorted to hide them.
>It's a JRPG who cares about the gameplay.
People who don't WANT loading times for every single battle in an RPG?

>>9228297
>with apparent influence from the streamlined babymode RPG, Chrono Trigger
I was really disappointed 7 didn't have combo attacks back when I first played it. It seemed like a natural thing to do since they already cut the party size down to 3 like Trigger.

>>9228628
Cloud is an epic character who could carry the whole script on his own, and yet FF7 keeps on giving with other excellent characters. Your suggesting that Cloud doesn't have an arc is wrong, he absolutely changes and even something like his dealings with women are reflective of this (maybe even the biggest narrative vessel of this).

You can talk about superficial similarities in the mcguffins or whatever, but stories are carried by niggaz. FF7 is a story about niggaz. Not just niggaz with an a but niggaz with a z. Are there any classic tales with mediocre characters?

>>9227673
Move to Kelowna BC and find the only girl named Bryce I guess. Haven't seen her in 20 years

>>9228046
you are not ready for marriage, gamer.

@9228661
(you)

Is that what you wanted, do you feel satisfied now

>>9228920
I am ready to pump out the next generation of warriors

>>9221875
Midgar was so amazing it completely blinded us all to the fact that the rest of the game is shit.

>>9221875
I remember trying it at a friend's place before I understood what an rpg was and we couldn't figure out what to do. It was weird, like what the fuck kind of game is this? We got past the guard scorpion and then you're in this city and you just run around, or...? It was obviously cinematic, but I had no grasp of the actual scale of the game so it gave me a feeling like it could be some kind of proof of concept or tech demo. But the game case and promotional art was very intriguing, it gave me a strange nostalgic feeling even the first time I saw it.

>>9221875
it was badass
we actually had the time back then
no cellphones, no social media, no binge tv
no school for the summer and out of town?

i beat ff7 twice
once on playstation
and then again on pc

many comfy hours wasted breeding chocobos

It was mindblowing how the series jumped from 3 to 7. You knew the game would be super high tech when they jumped four versions ahead and just skipped 4, 5 and 6. Absolutely genius from marketing standpoint.

>>9221875
A lot of people didn't like the brick-people, but the cutscenes and backgrounds were fucking amazing and mind-blowing.
The story took a bit to get going, but the characters were fun. The only thing I ever hated was how often people said 'Cloud has no personality' when he's a giant dick for a whole disc

>>9222374
mmmmmm

>>9226308
>>9226314
Aeris is kind of bitchy and has that 'I'll date you if you do things for me teehee' shit I hated in the girls my age.

>>9230551
Yes, but those birthing hips.

>>9230538
(you)

>>9221875
revolutionized the concept of waifu. that was this game's biggest contribution.

>>9230551
Aerith isn't a bitch she is just an alpha tomboy

>>9231448
Low IQs hated him because he spoke the truth. Yuffie is equally as obnoxious and insulting, yet these retards think she's a 'tomboy' because she's tsundere and a ninja. Pathetic.

>>9221875
All my friends loved it and because of the marketing I really wanted to get into it but when I went to those friends house to play it I was really turned off by the turn based style of the game. I can remember clearly thinking as a 10 year old that I'll just wait for ocarina of time.

I still have a copy here and a few years ago I played through it for about 2 to 3 hours with my wife, who also loved it as a kid and I just couldn't get into it. I still plan to play it through one day as well.

I almost feel like I am the only person my age who preferred zelda over final fantasy....

>watching TV
>commercials are on
>this plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9zzFEdGWk

>>9231457
If anything Yuffie is an anti-tomboy of sorts, the first thing she does upon meeting Tifa is envy her boobs lol

>>9231489
Tomboys are typically depicted as titless, so that has merit, but she's still just a failed ninja retard who isn't even particularly athletic. Aerith outclasses her because she realizes that Cloud is autistic, and she becomes forward as a result.

>>9231505
>becomes forward
?

>>9231532
>date me, retard
Wow, you're just like Cloud!

>>9231534
I think Aerith knew something was off and was trying to crack the nut

>>9232179
She knew because she knew zack and cloud was claiming to be everything zack was. She knew cloud was putting up a phony persona and wanted to know the 'real' cloud.

>>9222403
>>9222403
>You can see this was drawn by an incel. If those tits were real they'd be saggy and deformed.

>>9231489
That's not anti-tomboy.
Also Aeris is not a tomboy just look at her running animation.
Do zoomers not even know what a fucking tomboy is?
>>9231505
She's just more mature than Tifa. Aeris is more experienced in relationships and has more wisdom at the beginning of the game. By the end, after all the various experiences with Cloud, Tifa has matured.

Enjoyable but I didn’t enjoy it as much as playing final fantasy 2 or 3 on SNES when new.
Graphics were a big improvement but somehow less charming.

>>9232775
A tomboy isn't a man with a cunt you dingus

>>9232775
>That's not anti-tomboy
what's an anti-tomboy then? I assume you take it to be analogous to an anti-hero

>>9221875
It was advertised similarly to a Hollywood event movie. It sold more consoles than any other game ever.
It also made more RPG fans than any other game ever.

It was ultimately considdered one of, if not the best game ever made for a decade and a half.

Playing it for the first time was magic. It was like a playable movie to me. Before that was a common thing.
It was just pure entertainment and fun, and lived up to the hype they built around it.

>>9221875
>Be me
>Never played a jrpg before
>Barely killing bosses without getting destroyed
>Make it to Wutai
>That cunt Yuffie steals all my materia
>Get to battle with Rapps
>Can't beat him too low level
What do you mean I gotta grind?
>Be me other time playing FF7
>Get to Wutai
>Get stuck in fucking rope bridge.
>Still stuck there.

This thread does a great job of informing everyone that 90% of this board was not even alive when this game was released

>>9233109
Correct but I still want to marry a JRPGpilled millennial gamer girl

>>9221890
Literally started playing FF7 for the first time a few months ago and absolutely loving it.

>>9231474
>resetting a JRPG

I was just a bit too young for FF7, when I was 12 FF8 was the hottest shit for everyone at school. And I mean everyone, except that one kid who didn't have a playstation. It remained the hottest game for a few years, when FFIX came out only a handful cared in comparison, it didn't nearly have the same impact at all. There was something about FF8's setting and characters that just spoke with teenagers.

>>9233109
I was 14 when it came out apparently.

>>9233109
i am >>9226839 dont lump me in with the keeds

genuinely incredible
it was watching the console generations actually improve in a noticeable way
you'll never know this feel going forwards

>>9233503
thats a good point, the jump from the snes to ps1 ff7 was insane and everything since then has been increasingly diminishing returns. the average person would have no problem believing ps5 games were ps4 games or vice versa, its not that big of a difference.

>>9227319
>>9227359
But he's right

>>9222462
Based

>>9233317

It was the same at my school, but I guess it happened everywhere for obvious reasons after all

>FFVIII
>teenagers
>epic battles
>epic FMVs
>epic villains
>love story for femoid players

>FFIX
>furries
>kids
>tranny Kuja
>dancing rats

>>9233534
Wolfenstein 3D to Bioshock was the same amount of time as Bioshock to today.

It was nice
I also shamelessly stole the Weapon battles for my tabletop RPG and folks loved it
Those were the good times

>>9221875
After all the hype building from commercials previewing it on Rurouni Kenshin, everyone had to have it. We would call each other on our cordless phones while grinding levels talking about how cool the cutscenes, motobike sequence, snowboarding sequence, etc. pushing each other to play further/faster through the game to see what comes next. With me being naive, I went for Aerith instead of superior Tifa or Yuffie options to experience what I thought may have been the intended canonical flow of the story. It was a great shared experience at the time, and we tried replicating it for 8 but less and less friends tried when 9 came along, I am glad to have had that experience with 7.

>>9232880
>It was ultimately considdered one of, if not the best game ever made for a decade and a half.
Best movie maybe

>>9236418
And the best it is.

>>9221875
I recalled hearing it was the greatest final fantasy game ever made. At the same time it was also these same anons first final fantasy game they had ever played.

>>9237130
It is the greatest

>>9221875

FF7 back in the day=Fucking awesome

>So far and above everything else graphically, and I'm not just talking technologically, every setting is dripping with character, nuance, and style. Compare Midgar to Super Mario 64 which came out about the same time.
>Music was fucking rad as hell, blending genre, every song got you fucking pumped, if you weren't hyped when Sephirhoth rode in with One Winged Angel you were a try hard douche.
>FF6 was amazing but very rated PG, kids who played RPGs were still treated like nerds. The swearing, the adult situations, the technopunk, the chick with the cannonball boobs, as a kid you felt like you were getting clued into something, like when you saw an R Rated movie.
>I don't know if this was the first game to have multiple disks, but this was the first game to justify it. It was a fucking big deal when the screen faded to black and said insert disk 2, and suddenly you were on the world map after spending the whole game in Midgar. Midgar felt so epic, and then you find out that Midgar was a tiny place in a giant world. Just a masterstroke.
>Sidequests were on another level, you felt like a goddamn champ when you went through hours of chocobo racing and breeding and got Knights of the Round.
>Great story, twists, adult themes, the closest to this type of dark storytelling for kids at this time was Don Bluth. If you didn't feel something when Aerith died you were a try hard douche.
>So much game, so many guides to find the secret whatsits, get everyone's ultimate weapon
>Battle was still ATB but it didn't feel like because the animation was so fluid, impacts of weapons and swords were heavy, spells were flashy
>Final fight and ending fucking ruled

>>9239451
>>Battle was still ATB but it didn't feel like because the animation was so fluid, impacts of weapons and swords were heavy, spells were flashy
That's how ATB is supposed to feel.
What else do you think ATB is supposed to feel like?

>>9233534
Yeah unfortunately since 6th gen diminishing returns on 3D graphics kicked in hard, you can see them improving but most devs arent talented enough to take advantage of new technology and the jump will never be as big as 2D to 3D which fundamentally changed how games are even played.

Honestly reading this thread I really do think FF7 was so successful compared to past games almost solely due to its graphics and its sort of a shame that ended up being the case. Lots of talking points of what people love about FF7 happened in other games in the series. Even the whole leaving Midgar to find it was a tiny part of a larger world thing was done in FF3 with the floating continent, and that was on the NES. It kind of makes sense why there was such a bitter FF6 vs FF7 debate back in the day, the people who grew up with the SNES titles were probably annoyed the series exploded in popularity because of 3D graphics despite the fundamental gameplay and storytelling being unchanged.

That being said I think this game's cultural impact mandating 3D graphics in JRPGs held the genre back for a while since the PS1 was being pushed hard to make 3D graphics as is so things like party member sizes and enemy counts had to be scaled down, and it was much more dangerous to stray from random encounters like Chrono Trigger did due to model limits.

I can't blame them because its what sold at the time, its just kind of ironic to think these days the low-poly look isn't nearly as popular as the pixel look for indie games, when the low-poly 3D graphics were enough for devs back then to make gameplay sacrifices to implement.

>>9221875
literally no different from playing it today

>>9227403
He’s clearly coping because his gf’s a chestlet.

>>9239994
hell no. it's THE most dated game

>>9240015
how other than it looking like shit

>>9221875
Fun, just like it is now.

>>9221875
I played it like 2 years after it came out, the hype had completely past me by but it was awesome. I bought it solely on like 2 minutes of gameplay when a friend of a friend had brought it over to my friend's house. They were playing it when I arrived and then we switched it off to play another game. Being like 12, in the UK, and only having played consoles I had no exposure to RPGs - I called it a 'talking' game as that's what I used to refer to Link to the Past as. When I bought it I had no idea it was an RPG with an epic story, etc all the gameplay I saw at my friend's was random battles on the world map but that alone was intriguing and novel enough to get me to buy it.

>>9239990
>Honestly reading this thread I really do think FF7 was so successful compared to past games almost solely due to its graphics
It wasn't. If that's the impression given by the thread, the thread is wrong.
The graphics were a big deal but the game is also good. Doesn't matter how big the cloud of cheeto dust one generates trying to shit on JRPG gameplay in general and Final Fantasy specifically, the fact is that people enjoyed it (and still enjoy it).
>Even the whole leaving Midgar to find it was a tiny part of a larger world thing was done in FF3 with the floating continent, and that was on the NES.
In 1997, very few English-speakers had even played FF3 for NES, so it wasn't a point of comparison. But even if it was, FF3 is still a whole generation removed from FF7 gameplay-wise. FF3 didn't even have ATB yet. FF3 introduced the job system, but it was still far simpler than Materia. Each Materia in your inventory takes up 4 bytes of memory (8 bits for the materia type and 24 bits for its AP) and you can have 200 materia, plus whatever is equipped on your characters. Stuff like that would have to be dumbed down substantially for the NES. (And before some resident autist takes me to task on the precise technical capabilities of the NES, remember you still have to implement all the other gameplay features that FF7 has-- the point here is that it's about more than just graphics)
>low-poly look isn't nearly as popular
Low-poly is more likely to look outright terrible than pixel, that's why.

>>9221875
Amazing. You bought a new world from the store for fifty bucks and slapped into your playstation for the next six months.

>>9221875
I rented a ps1 to play it without realizing you need a memory card too so I fucking played the game basically all weekend. I loved FF2 and FF3 on SNES and this blew my little 11 year old brain

>>9222403
Do you actually "draw" anything when using a 3d model?

dont play the remake, play the original or nothing.

>>9241471
Yes
>>9241858
Remake is really good, but it has to be played after the original. Explaining why without spoiling is difficult, but it is too meta to be appreciated in its own right. With spoiling, it's not even a remake but a timeloop sequel

The soundtrack would help my baby son at the time relax & rest. I would play with him in my arms, I was 18 at the time.

>>9242419
Basedpapa

>>9226076
>it lead us to the "graphics first" mentality we are stuck with.
Lmao, how? Literally none of the graphics are particularly impressive; it's HOW they were used that was impressive. The pre-rendered backgrounds added a ton of depth and made the world feel extremely real compared to other console RPGs of the era, but it was nothing that we hadn't seen in computer games. And the character models themselves were nothing special at all; there was actually a good amount of criticism toward them at the time.

>>9224956
I didn't have a PS1 and I honestly loved hearing all my friends talk about it. It was fun to be a part of the hype for a game that I couldn't play at the time.

>>9241858
>>9242296
The remake is only good BECAUSE of the original, in my opinion. I was having a ton of fun on my first playthrough because I wanted to see all the iconic scenes and locations I remembered from the original, but on its own, it's really just a standard squeenix hallway simulator with a basic bitch action-menu battle system with materia shoehorned in.

Midgar is a pretty big segment of the original game, but here it's just been absolutely bloated in order to make it a stand-alone adventure. The major story beats are way too spread out and all of the new characters range between pointless and forgettable. The only thing that really made me want to keep playing was the fact that I already knew where everything was going and I wanted to see it play out for the umpteenth time in glorious HD.

That said, they did an excellent job with all the environments and characters, so it really is worth it, IMO, especially if you waited and got it for cheap.

>>9226164
Wise 40 year old boomer take

>>9221875
I saw it at BLOCKBUSTER regularly and saw that it was always rented out. I saw Final Fantasy 9 not too far from it was available, and decided to rent that instead. I ended up having no idea what was going on, how to play it, and the story was a confusing mess, so since then I never played another Final Fantasy game for as long as I lived and assumed FF7 may as well have been crap as well.

>>9243325
Yeah no big surprise there to anyone but hardcore FF9 fanboys who refuse to accept the shortcomings of that game.

FF7 succeeds in all the ways that FF9 fails as far drawing in a curious player. The first 15 minutes of FF7 excel at introducing the game, the story, and characters. There's no wandering around some city as a weird conical-hat-wearing child who trips over his feet going to a big play where looney toons shenanigans ensue. Instead of immediately introducing a huge cast of freak characters that all suck, you have two cool adult male characters (Cloud and Barret) and the supporting Avalanche team, that's it. You don't have to sit through hours of plot before you even really see the gameplay. You get real combat within the first 5 minutes and a real boss before the 15 minute mark. The opening plot is straightforward. Shinra is supposedly bad and you're eco-terrorists fighting Shinra. You blow up a fucking reactor. Conflict couldn't be more straightforward.

>>9243732
That is so fucking true. The FF7 opening is brillaint. The FF9 opening fucking SUCKS. A QTE mini game? Really ?! WHAT THE FUCK. Why not just start with kart racing, would make just about as much sense.

The entire Midgard part of FF7 is brilliant overall, the game loses pace and quality after the first flashback.

One thing about FF7 I absolutely love is how Sephiroth is introduced. In the first act, Shinra is the villain, no Sephiroth yet. You attempt to take them down but get imprisoned, they're too strong for you. Wake up, the jail cells are opened, blood trails everywhere, a giant fucking sword thrust into Shinra's President. Apparently Sephiroth did this, who's Sephiroth, what does he look like, what are his motivations? Nobody knows, it's just hear-says (it is easy to forget about this at this point with his meme status, or even for anyone playing the game for the first time at the time, the player had no idea who he was), but this guy just obliterated the villain of the game like he was nothing, despite you having failed miserably against said villain. And remember, HE beat the villain, not you, which goes against the usual jRPG tropes of "beat villain #1 -> beat bigger badder villain #2".

Then you get the flashback sequence and you finally get to *see* Sephiroth for the first time. But you don't just see him. He's in your party, with OMFG crazy fucking stats and equipment. Random encounter, a giant Dragon, you attack, you barely make a scratch. Sephiroth attacks, just OHKOs the beast like he was nothing with unseen level of damage at this point.
It's fantastic, using gameplay to tell story to show how strong the villain is. They weren't the first to do it obviously, there is that infamous Meteor fight with Telah in FF4, or the beginning of Metal Max 2, but here the concept is cramped up to eleven and executed brillantly and just at the right time too, for the character's introduction.

>>9221875
It's what Uncle Ted wanted

>>9227084
I wish I could find a high resolution of this so could make it a poster.

>>9243757
He's in the manual but the way they frame it it almost teases he'll join the party until you realize that's definitely not going to be the case.

Also look at the back of this jewelcase. Beautiful. Gets you hyped.

Played it back in 2000. Fucking hated it. Not only was it ugly as sin back then (once MGS came out it looked ancient) but the gameplay was boring as dogshit. It turned me off RPGs for a while and swore off JRPGs for my teenage years. I just recently got into the dragon quest games and will try to play through FFVII again at one point, but I've tried 3 times. It's just so fucking boring and it has all the worst qualities of JRPG design.

>>9246887
>>9246891
Very true. The design of the jewel case, the menu, the main character the soundtrack. It's all top notch. It sets you up for disappointment.

Didn't play it until my friend bought it after the PC port came out. We ended up staying up all weekend playing it, passing the keyboard and mouse back and forth. It was so immersive compared to other games at the time. We argued over what materia to use and what way to go. It was one of the truly memorable experiences I have playing videogames that last to today. My wife and I played Persona 4 this way a few years ago, passing the controlled back and forth, discussing hot to progress. The world was much better when you couldn't sit on your phone and ignore the people around you.

>>9227689
FF7 released while zoomers were babies or not even born yet. That's a millennial take if anything

>>9246958
Zoomers didn't begin to be born until the late 90's. No zoomer played ff7 upon release, they were too young.

dont know i never played this game

Laughable for anyone with any fucking sense and cares about actual videogames vs. style over substance trash.

The game is genuinely great, it wasn't just the graphics.

>>9221875
had it, saw some lame ass graphics with 2d background and thought "wtf is this . i want some action if i want to read i read some real shit"
never touched it again until this year that i played 2 hours at 4x speed skipping 9/10 dialogue, its gay and lame, as i thought in 1999

>>9247045
as gay i mean you win 90% of the fights only pressing X . you dont have to think and thats at 4x speed.
imagine wasting 3 hours for 10 fights that you could won only pressing X repeatedly.
Yes, this "game" costed 60 million dollars to produce, some yellowman in square stole all the money ill tell you that

>>9222403
Plenty of skinny women with perfect enormous tits like that exist. Sorry you were born a chink.

>>9247004
>The game is genuinely great, it wasn't just the graphics.
It was, if I'm honest with you. I'll be called a contrarian, but that's okay I've dealt with this since I was a kid so no bother.

Out of what we've gotten from FF over the years: Kitase's entries and sub entries where he was the director have aged about the worst right next to the games he produced like Dirge of Cerberus,X-2, XIII, XIII-2 & Lightning Returns. Even the game he started off on a producer as but got dropped like Nomura did (XV) is just as controversial.

His games where he wasn't working with Ito don't hold up. Maybe he got the age of posters you see above, the 30 year olds who grew up trading the game on playgrounds after school and he did move the brand towards experiences but he and the people he worked with on VII not only damaged the brand but took it to a place where the franchise relied harder and harder on trying to tell a story and be a spectacle.
Kids on the playground were talking about the FMV's, they talked about the summons and LB's, the same happened down the line with VIII & X.

Kitase is as guilty as Sakaguchi was for making the spirits within. It became about presentation & experiences rather than gameplay and a tight narrative. It sold gangbusters, his titles did but they are deeply flawed games that focused on experiences first and then gameplay 2nd. It's something the series wrestled with since IV but it wasn't until VI we started to see it really take hold and in VII we saw what happened without someone like Ito around to balance it out.

Astonishing sound & art design on them, lot of talented people involved but pale imitations of a good and solid JRPG. They have not aged well as games.

>>9221875
I was 12, and it absolutely blew my mind. It was the only game I cared about for almost a year, and for a while I even thought I would never need another game because this one seemed inexhaustible. The story, stupid as it is, was spot-on for a twelve-year-old. Aesthetically,t he game's great, and the soundtrack is one of Uematsu's greatest works. There's almost no gameplay - the materia system is more like a toy than a game in that none of it is required to win, you just fuck with it for fur - but that was exactly what I needed at that age.
When Final Fantasy VIII came out, I flipped my shit. The opening cinematic alone blew my mind, and the improved graphics were of course almost too much. But I don't think I would've cared about either if not for my 1997 obsession with FFVII.
I played Parasite Eve, Xenogears, et al and hunted down Squaresoft games religiously, including Einhander and Ehrgeiz. Brave Fencer Musashi wasn't bad, but the best and most lasting result of the obsession was me playing the ps1 version of Chrono Trigger: I couldn't get into FFVI (both games sold together on two CDs), but Trigger immediately struck a chord.
I was the biggest Final Fantasy and Squaresoft fan for a while until I started discovering better games. Of course, the downside of my Final Fantasy obsession was that when I played Ocarina of Time half a decade later, it seemed to be the most open-ended and immersive game in the world for me after years of Final Fantasy and Xenogears and all that garbage.
These days my respect for Ocarina is middling and I have no respect for FFVII at all, but I still love the music from the latter as well as the aesthetics on the broadest level.

>>9246958
You don't have to play a piece of media on release to hold a retarded viewpoint. Just look at this board.

>>9221875
Terrifying.
I remember 4yo-me watching the opening and getting so scared of the suddenly appearing train that I turned off the PSX. This happened like 3 or 4 times before finally being able to be a big boy and play through it.
Yet, younger 4yo-me was able to play Resident Evil with no problem and only three toilet breaks.

>>9247454
>you just fuck with it for fur
Sussy
>captcha: GAWR8

>>9243757
Major FF7fag here— I thought FF9s intro was actually really cool. I got the game for Christmas not long after it was released and played it with an older friend of mine who introduced me to FF. The idea of a theater troupe kidnapping a princess for ransom was neat, the FMVs were goddamn mind blowing, and the characters were all really interesting. I’ll admit that nothing beats FFVII’s entire beginning sequence throughout midgar + kalm flashbacks, but FFIX’s was far from the dogshit you make it sound like.

Also, I 100% agree on how fucking incredible Sephiroth’s introduction sequence was. That scene where the jail cells are mysteriously opened and there’s blood all over the floor was absolutely fucking CAPTIVATING in a way I had never, ever experienced before. If there is any more artful way to suck a player into a mystery, I’ve yet to see it.

>>9221875
I had played RPGs on the SNES and games with FMVs on the PC, so it wasn't anything particularly impressive.

It is a solid JRPG, and as many people's first, it has been fondly remembered.

>>9249580
>as many people's first
This myth ought to die. My first JRPG was Legend of Legaia, my first FF was IX, and neither of them is my favorite anything. I think FFVII is better than those games because it is, but that's not my favorite either. My favorites on PS1 are Legend of Dragoon and Chrono Cross.
Is your favorite JRPG the first one you played on SNES??

>>9246891
>console wars even makes their way to the back of game covers

do americans really?

Birth of a God was an instant classic, I hadn't heard the song before but it was immediately catchy and I remembered its infectious melody without needing to hear it again.

>>9249374
FF9's intro is fine if you assume an audience of FF fans who know the gameplay formula and have already given you full trust to tell the story at whatever pace you feel is appropriate.

FF9 takes the player for granted. FF7 doesn't. FF7 introduces the game to players who may have never played an RPG before much less Final Fantasy.

>>9250128
my friend it's turn-based combat, the point of final fantasy is the story and 9 introduces itself eloquently in this respect

>>9250063
What? It's one of the least memorable tracks on the soundtrack.

>>9241351
Youre missing my point, also I don't know why youre focused on the NES. FF6's Esper system was more complex than FF7's materia system and that was on SNES. And also all 3 SNES final fantasies had the ATB system.

I'm not saying FF7 has bad gameplay, I'm saying the gameplay had been done before and didnt take off like FF7 did.

>>9250224
Wow! You are a dumbass

If you had to pick 5 games that were the most revolutionary games of all time.
7 would be in the list.

The game pulled you into the story with such ease, had such levels of depth in its entry.
It has some real pacing issues very quickly after Mid, but hey can't be absolutely perfect.
The technological achievements alone were astounding.
It felt like what a next generation should feel like.
Hell I felt a lot less for Halo on its release, just seemed like another Quake or Unreal clone.

>>9246891
Did it retail for an above average price? Seeing as it came on three discs and had already an outstanding review printed on the cover. I ask because I have no experience or data on it, I just read that the average PS1 game cost around 30 to $40 USD. Or, what I'm really asking: did disc count impact the price of a game, since FF7 isn't the only one out there.

>>9250561
No, part of why discs took off in the first place is the manufacturing cost is next to nothing

>>9250561
>did disc count impact the price of a game,
Unlikely.
I don't remember exactly, but FF7 was not substantially more expensive than other popular games. It might have been more expensive than low-end shovelware but it wasn't like FF4 and FF6 where they were premium games notably more expensive than anything else. Both 4 and 6 sold for $60+ and I'm pretty sure FF7 didn't go for more than $50.

>>9226083
You should give it a go. Was my first RPG at the time and it got me to play 6 right after.

>>9250561
I don’t think any PS1 games ever went above $40 by 1998 or 1999.

>>9227084
I miss edgy vidya ads

>>9251343
Do you?

>>9247424
Kitase is Square's Aonuma. They hate you because you tell the truth.

>>9251354
No I hate him because he is a low-IQ gossip who parrots dumb opinions that make people annoyed and he concludes that he's special instead of correctly concluding that he is a waste of space.

>>9247932
How did you know how to read when you were 4?

>>9221875
OVERRATED
I'll admit I'm still just seething 25 years later
>be power-level grinder
>grind on Aerith so I have a super powerful healer with her materias at high level
>CITY OF ANCIENTS

>>9251879
By not being double digit IQ and having loving parents

>>9251879
what kind of mongaloid doesn't know how to read by the time they're 3-4? I was reading stuff like Curious George, Clifford, and Bearenstein Bears almost every day

>>9252005
>>9252013

>>9252005
>>9252013
Dumbasses

>>9251879
My parents got me a VTech notebook which taught me how to read, count, add and subtract.
Playing games helped me reinforce it.
And if there were things I didn't understand, my brother helped me out.

>>9251897
Game designed her to be your go-to healer to make you feel pain at her loss, actual genius

>>9226713
what do you think of the remake?

>>9252017
Don't care what (((experts))) make up to try and normalize nogs not being able to read cat in the hat til 9th grade. Every white child can read by the time they reach preschool.

>>9252107
Back to >>>/pol/ schizo

>>9251879
I also could read at 4. Used to play Zelda II and Simons Quest with my mom all day
T. White person

>>9252165
>The truth is schizophrenic
Nah

>>9251879
At the age of 4 I didn't know how to "write" but I certainly knew how to type on a computer if it meant playing video games (that was DOS time, when you actually had to type words to play stuff)

Not surprised to see the same for reading

>>9252292
actually I just realized that also means I was at least be able to read shit like C:\games\Blockout

>>9252017
>US
Meaning that avg. includes, you know....

>>9250128
When I was looking for the back of the box for FF7 I also checked for FF9 to remind myself what theirs was like. It was was so poorly made by comparison.
>THE CRYSTAL COMES BACK
ok? And why should the buyer care about that? It's a meaningless sentence unless you were one of those already in the know about what applied to a "traditional" Final Fantasy game (of which America really only had gotten three of (four if you charitably want to include FFV's incredibly late release via Final Fantasy Anthology). But it has nothing to entice people not already onboard. Compare the wording of both boxes with the remaining words
>FF7
>"quite possibly the greatest game ever made"
>"an epic adventure"
>"goes beyond imagination"
>"is like nothing ever seen before"
>"towers over the competition"

>FF9
>"the best looking game in the series"
>"takes the best of the old and mixes it with the best of the new"

>>9221921
Gen x mofucka

Stay in your lane miss me with this "boomer" shit

>>9252447
>(of which America really only had gotten three of (four if you charitably want to include FFV's incredibly late release via Final Fantasy Anthology)
Also depending on how you want to look at it, FF6 might not even apply as a "traditional" Final Fantasy either.

>>9252460
it's considered traditional cause of the sprites, but I agree it is quite a bit different from 5

>>9252991
>it's considered traditional cause of the sprites

That's wrong though, the spritework in 6 is a lot more realistic and less cartoony. It's also the first game in the series to use the same sprites in and out of battle, meaning also that the world scale is built around that, for extra realism (something which even 7 didn't do).

>>9252410
You can't say that, the tranitor gets very upset when you point out that numerous US statistics are skewed due to "socioeconomic factors" and will ban you.

>>9253027
which FF is this, then?

>>9253140
Looks like Awful Fantasy VI

>>9221890
why yes I want to bang Tifa

>>9221875
boring shit for faggots

cool people never played it back in a day

>>9252084
It's fun. I liked the new combat a lot, and seeing old parts of the game recreated was really cool. I'm okay with it not being a straight remake, some of the new plot is cool and I've already replayed FFVII so it keeps things interesting not knowing exactly what comes next. Though the time ghosts and some other changes are pretty corny. I think the original has better pacing, the remake makes you do some pointless fetch quests and drags some parts out. But overall I enjoyed it a ton, and I'm looking forward to part 2.

>>9221875
It's impossible now to describe how incredible it seemed, it was like nothing that I'd ever seen and I look at it now and I can't believe it was ever like that but it was

>>9253671
Not true Dave, even the cool kids in class got into FFVII

>>9221875
Like an event. All of your friends were talking about it at school, the CGI cutscene looked like nothing you had seen before, and experiencing the story felt like a cinematic experience, like watching the Star Wars OT for the first time(which is something I experienced at around the same time, a little before) and discovering a new world. Sure, in hindsight the world building comes off as a collection of cliches typical of all JRPGs, but if you were 12 as I was at the time, it felt like a completely fresh experience.

>>9221875
I bought a playstation just for Final Fantasy VII back in 1998 or 1999 (I can't remember). It was immersive and compelling to me during my late teenage years when I first experienced true lonliness and solitude. Little did I know at the time that I would never again have any friends, yet the world still held promise back then. But Final Fantasy VII was my friend. Everything felt optimistic before 2001. The world as we knew it had ended by 2002 and everything was–and still is– terrible. I say this with sincerity: you are lucky to not have played this game when it was new–when the world was a better place. If you had you would feel nothing but deep melancholy and wistfulness for the future that never came to be.

>>9221875
it was HEAVENLY!!!! IT CHANGED MY GODSAMB LIFE!!!!

>>9254379
Yeah it was actually really weird if you were a series fan already, seeing normalfags talking about FF7.

>>9224912
why do I get so emotional when I think about parents buying kids video games?

I was a bab and I was highly impressed. Also, there was a certain mystique to games with "systems" at the time, coming off the SNES. Combined the FMV it gave off a vibe like the game itself must have unimaginable depth. It was like being on a CD made the game feel like it would be bigger in every way. The ad campaign comparing it to a movie really helped, namely how the game and Squaresoft in that era were really doing things to advance computer animation in more realistic styles compared to your Pixars and what-have-you. Still a good game with fun, varied customization and compelling setting/characters.

>>9251879
your parents never taught you via flash cards when you were 3? knew how to write too, although i didn't figure out some stuff you're supposed to learn like cursive names and how to tie my shoes until way later, like 13 or something

>>9257274
oh actually
when are you intended to learn multiplication and division? i didn't learn the former until seven grade and i didn't learn the latter until freshman year of high school. i feel like i probably should've learned that earlier, i mean it's not that complicated although maybe i would've disagreed with that back then

>>9257276
Did you go to school in Cambodia? Did you meet Pol Pot?

>>9221875
The same as today.

>>9253671
Is this Dave Striddir from Homestuck?!

>>9233954
1993
2007
Holy fuck he's right.
WTF?