/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9216882
It's one of my favorites, but I readily admit that has much to do with the fact that it's the first RPG I ever played, and that I took the time to learn how much of the game works. I don't know that it's the best, and honestly, there's never been and will never be a consensus on that because they're all pretty different.

As for the WoR, you either like its open structure or you don't. Not a whole lot to say about that. If you didn't dig it, you didn't dig it.

>>9216882
The only good final fantasy games are the games that aren't even final fantasy games

>>9217136
oh wow, what a cool and contrarian opinion Anon, so rad

It's a good game, but a lot of FF fans forget its problems. Modern FFs are often finger-wagged at for being too easy, but if it weren't for 15's item system, 6 would be the easiest of the bunch. All those characters, just for Edgar to render them useless with his crossbow, drill, and saw ready to massacre everything with no drawbacks.

>>9217151
Malding hard

>>9216882
I thought the WOR was the best part of the game because it becomes open ended at that point. You do what you want, find who you want to find, fight who you want to fight, and go to the end of the game when you’re ready. I thought it was awesome wandering through a destroyed world. And if you wander into the wrong place at the wrong time you’ll get completely eviscerated by Doomgaze or a dragon etc. The tower of magic is great, the hunt for the dragons is great, etc, etc

I only played the FF games on SNES so I can’t comment on the series. But it’s by far my favorite turn-based RPG, and my favorite RPG after Morrowind. I liked Chrono Trigger but I think FF6 is the better game

>>9216882
The story doesn't really say much and there's only a couple standout characters.

Nintendo fanboys

>>9217136
Will SaGacucks ever be able to not shit post in other series' threads about how totally amazing and great their games are? I get no one gives enough of a fuck to actually have a thread last more than like 20 posts but still

>>9216882
Oh no another plotfaggot.

>>9216882
>game suddenly stops being a straight line from point A to point B
>this kills the zoomer
Many such cases, sad!

It's a good game, great at parts even but it got overrated because nintenfags used it as a weapon to combat 7's popularity. You're right that the game feels over once you reach WoR but somehow they always pretend it's not an issue.

Try 5, it's the most fun of the SNES titles (imo).

>>9217161
This, it definitely doesn't hold up as well as Chrono Trigger.

It was really disappointing to have to grind out espers on my characters so I could have a chance against the final dungeon random encounters just to beat Kefka's last form in 3 turns even after I completely forgot to equip my party because Sabin's Phantom Rush hit for 9999 damage every turn at that point. The balance is way off.

I do think it's remembered a lot more for the story than the gameplay, lots of memorable characters and a great villain. Something as dark as a character succeeding and actually destroying the world was pretty unthinkable at the time, SNES waa seen as a child's toy and games were still seen as "kiddy" back then.

>>9217764
I feel like this has to be it, I remember reading GameFAQs at the time anytime FF7 got brought up someone would feel the need to come in and say 6 was better. Out of the SNES games FF4 is still my favorite.

>>9217161
And the final dungeon is probably one of the easiest in the entire series. Flare and Ultima just trivialize most of the bossses.

>>9217764
I'm more of a DQ guy but FF5 is crazy good. Decent plot with fun job mechanics. I find that I'm always going back to jap FF3 and FF5.

>>9217787
I was around that era and before 7 was released, people always circlejerked about Chrono Trigger over FF6 a lot more. It was only after 7 became such a cultural hit that they retroactively started considering 6 the best JRPG ever.

>>9217170
You wish lol. You made an objectively useless post and got called out perfectly. Now you are mad an won't be able to drop it.

>>9217332
Adventure is a Mana game.

>>9217764
True except that it wasn't as much nintendies as in your consolewar broken brain, Square fans were mostly loyal to Square which is why the defection was such a big deal. Fans fussing over 6 v 7 all had Playstations instead of N64s.

>>9216882
You probably just don't like JRPGs. Every entry level normalfaggot raves about CT because it's so 'accessible' and 'streamlined', and because of its high level of polish, but once the genre asks them to consider even FF levels of equipment/skill management they break down like the mental children they are. This thread has been made hundreds and hundreds of times, and with pretty much the exact same rhetoric. I'm going to guess you're some anti-'jarpig' faggot who does this shit for dopamine farming.

>>9216882
Stick to movie games zoom

I'm currently stuck on the floating continent. My party's level 23, but I can barely even get through the maze without running out of shit. What do I do?

>>9218157
Equip Gaia Gear on all party members that can equip it, as it absorbs Earth damage and a lot of monsters there use Earth-elemental attacks. Locke with dual Hawkeyes wrecks shit since it does extra damage to flying monsters and a lot of the monsters there fly (just keep him in the back row like everyone else - you DO have everyone in the back row, right?). Mog's Earth Blues dance is also great here. Buy as many Shurikens (or preferably Darts if you can afford them) for Shadow as possible and give him an Atlas Armlet for more damage. Terra, Celes and Relm should have Mystery Veils as well, as it's straight-up their best headgear.

>>9217963
I enjoy JRPGs, FF has a very openly dead feeling to its combat to me, if that makes sense? It's extremely open but there's not a lot of depth or nuance going on other than X boss has specific gimmick like being damaged by healing etc. It doesn't inspire me to want to experiment with the systems because of the shallowness. As somebody said earlier, Edgar is a perfect example of this. He's a unique character, like most of the party members in VI, in that he uses tools to damage but that gimmick ends up having very little depth to it beyond using crossbow or chainsaw. All the characters in FFVI felt like this to me and then you have the non-gimmick characters who mostly play interchangably beyond X is better with magic, X is better with physical weapons. It's open and experimental but very unegaging and boring at the same time.

>>9218281
That's one gripe I definitely have with FF6, in that it has plenty of potential for customization and variety but it mostly goes unrealized due to bad balancing, so some options end up being straight-up superior to most others. Magic being the best skillset, which everyone has access to with enough grinding, is probably the worst of it. Some characters DO have several viable options by the end of the game, and those tend to be among the best rather than the mindless one-trick ponies, but the problem is by that point the game is a total cakewalk and you're not at all encouraged to experiment because why bother, when you can just spam Flare x 2, Bum Rush, Atma Weapon + Offering, etc.?

I will say I found T-Edition rather refreshing in this regard, as it makes the game much harder but also gives you tons more viable options and incentive to experiment with them.

>>9217906
They really do.
I even beat the second Atma fight there first time, just by spamming whatever I had on hand. In no other FF, old or latest, can I hope to beat a superboss that way.

>>9218321
Atma's not meant to be a superboss (closest thing is Magi Master, and even he can be cheesed or trivialized), but yeah, Magic is just absurdly powerful.

>>9216882
>Is this game really considered the best FF?
Only by morons. See: all the bullshit autistic romhacks that have devalued the idea of there being any "definitive" version that's just best to go back to the buggy, unbalanced original.

The game may be unbalanced, but that doesn’t stop it from being fun. You build your party however you desire, or you may challenge yourself using bad chars.

>>9218336
There's also several viable challenges, though some, like the low-level challenge, are insanely autistic. I've yet to try it, but the natural magic challenge seems interesting. Too bad Relm is literally worthless without Magic.

>>9218157
did you recruit mog? and then get his dance abilities? if so, use his water one, it's busted

>>9216882
>Is this game really considered the best FF?
It only got that reputation in the past couple of decades. I think it was primarily driven by bitter fanboys who claimed FF7 is a retread of 6 when they only similarities are surface level at best. Completely at odds with each other from start to finish. 6 feels like a very plain entry to me and a little scattershot, some feature creep and odd pacing throws things off. I don't think it's very good and I'd day 7 outpaces it completely. 9 is also a more enjoyable game and story even if that has its share of problems.

>>9216882
>complains because he isn't being railroaded 24/7 in a JRPG for once

I don't care for it either for the same reason (lose interest during WOR), but I do enjoy the t-edition hack

>>9216882
Probably yes. It was very ambitious and revolutionary. It still holds up to this day. Yes it has faults, but those were easily overshadowed by its merits. As someone who grew up playing ff1, ff2 and other square RPGs before it, it was amazing. It wasn't as hard as FF2, and towards the end characters become more similar, but that doesn't take away much from what the game offers.

>>9217906
>the game was easy after grinding hundreds of magic points to get the ultimate attack spells

>>9217413
>plotfaggot
Yeah man, OP should be getting invested in the, er.....
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...gameplay?

The Oersted chapter from LaL is the best Final Fantasy.

>>9218957
LaL?

>>9216882
VI and VIII are easily the two best in the series

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>>9218957
V and VIII are the best ones

>>9219339
don't post please

>>9216882

All this text reviewing the game that the person didn't even come close to finishing. What a silly OP this thread had, regardless of the quality of the game.

>>9219475
>you are not allowed to talk about or even mention a game unless oyu have completed it

>>9219475
well clearly that put him off of playing the game
did the same for me at least, although i liked the idea of walkin around a post-apocalyptic world, always really liked that section in chrono trigger and wished it had more to it but ig now i see why it doesn't lol
besides even if he did finish it, ya'd just ask why he played it for so long if he didn't like it

>>9216882
>the game feels too aimless
Holy fuck don't play Romancing Saga III.

>>9219757
I enjoyed that more because not only was it consistent for the whole game, I don't need to regather my party about half way through the game. Final Fantasy VI goes from linear to aimless while Romancing SaGa 3 is that from the start.

>>9216882
>Chrono Trigger this year and thought that was much better than any FF game I've played.
This. Chrono Trigger is infinitely better and I will forever be mad that the shitty sequel killed the franchise.

>>9218281
>Edgar is a perfect example of this. He's a unique character, like most of the party members in VI, in that he uses tools to damage but that gimmick ends up having very little depth to it beyond using crossbow or chainsaw.
Except the best way to play him is making him a dragoon. That's nuance, you deconstructionist transsexual.

Any romhacks to make it hard?

>>9219942
Brave New World is decent, but full of cringe. T(ranny)-edition is full on kaizo bullshit that should be ignored.

>>9219850
tbf even if it weren't for the shitty sequel square probably wouldn't make another one anyway
and honestly? good for them. what could you do to make a sequel to that game in the first place? it wraps most things up nicely, like the best thing i can think of off the top of my head would be somethin like magus, after havin looked for schela until he's elderly, travels back to 1000ad somehow (ancient zeal technology in the ocean? idk okay) and asks lucca to build him a spaceship so he can genocide the entirety of lavos' species as babies
ignore the fact that he sucks ass at doing that in the game because multitargeting tecs
on his way he recruits aliens from other planets that the lavos species has fucked up

>>9218468
>Probably yes. It was very ambitious and revolutionary
Revolutionary how?

>>9219958
Or, and this is really quite simple, a sequel where Magus is the protagonist, he goes on an adventure through time in order to build a new chrono trigger and save his sister, he meets some new people and some of the old ones, he goes to some new time periods and some of the old ones, and in the end he succeeds and he, Schala and the new friends join the others in the Milennial fair celebration.

It practically writes itself!

>>9219910
This, although it should be said Mog does it a bit better, as he can achieve 255 defense. Not quite as much Vigor, though, and he does get less time to build it through Esper boosts, but still.

>>9219004
Live A Live, anon.

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God you people are dumb. No I wouldn't ask that, and yes you shouldn't give overall reviews of things you've only gotten like halfway through. You can stop whenever you want, and then you only get to review the part you actually experienced. It's not hard. Ig ig ig ig ig ig lol.

>>9220657
>and then you only get to review the part you actually experienced
But that's literally what I did

>>9216882
FF7 is considered the best FF

>>9217161
floating continent was pretty hard but yeah its one of the easier ffs

>>9216882
> having to retraverse the world and losing all my party members is shit.
FFVI is on the lower half of my favorite FFs list but this was kino, you got bad taste

>>9217332
That’s not a SaGa game you dip

>>9219943
>script changes
Why do modders do this? Fallout 2 restoration project does this too and literally all of the new dialog is cringe and pointless.

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>>9218390
You guys saved my ass. Thank you so much.

Might as well post this here instead of making a new thread. I've been playing FFV. It's the first FF game that grabbed me and I really like it so far. I've started to get really ADD with the job system though. Right now I have Bartz as a knight with level 1 white mage spells, Lenna as white mage/Mystic Knight/summunor, Galuf as Monk/Thief, and Faris as Black/Blue Mage. Is this a good setup? I'm on the fire crystal and so far the game has been piss fucking easy and I've pretty much blown throw all the bosses in one try (probably because I'm coming at it from a Dragon Quest mindset) but I can't shake the feeling that I'm fucking myself up for later in the game. Do I need another strong healer? I ask because Chrono Trigger was really fucking easy until the last boss when I realized I fucked up by leveling up Magus (who was useless against the second half of the final boss) and ignoring Lucca and Robo

>>9221627
don't all characters get exp in chrono trigger?

>>9216882
You ever considder the possibility that you're just a faggot with shit taste?

>>9221635
yeah but the ones outside the party get less and they don't get tec points

>>9221627
>Magus (who was useless against the second half of the final boss)
What? It's been a while, but Chrono, Magus and Marle were my team and they demolished that boss.

>>9220982
It just felt like a kick in the face and extra tedium to me. I spent the entire first part of the game recruiting all these party members and now they're just gone and I have to recruit them AGAIN. I get that that's the point since the world is destroyed and the game designers wanted the player to feel helpless like everything is gone but from a gameplay perspective it's tedious and drawn out.

>>9223296
Most are gathered easily, though. If you want, you can get Mog first along with the Moogle Charm, which disables all random encounters, and you'll have gotten them all in no time. The only one that's kind of a bitch to get even with the charm is Locke.

>>9223343
Well I mean how would I know that without a guide or having played it before

>>9216882
I think FFVII is considered the best FF, but I wouldn't know, I only played FFIV, FFV and FFVI.