/vr/ - Retro Games

My favorite part about SMT 3 is how quick the battles are
Especially relative to something like Final Fantasy 7 where it feels like it takes a full 30 seconds to get into a fight

>>9212771
All the SMT games have auto-battle and they really do fly by.

FF6.

>>9212740
Phantasy star 3

>>9212740
FF6. Just hold attack during regular battles and they're over in seconds.
As for bosses - you just cast vanish and then doom and it insta-kills them.

Phantasy Star IV and Super Mario RPG

This niggas name is Alphonse lol

>>9214475
And yours is Shanquan?

>>9212740

>>9212740
FF battles are more immersive and emotional, which is why everyone adopted that style.

>>9214539
No one acts like this. Not a single DQ fan gets upset over "Dragon Warrior".

>>9214564

No but "Dragon Quest" fans I notice pretend that Dragon Warrior never happened... For me it's always Dragon Warrior, that was the USA release name and once the USA releases changed the name they changed the art style and I lost interest in the series by that point and think it was better as a western art style for that genre.

Tldr to me it's Dragon warrior and fans memory hole it on here all the time, so I made that.

>>9214475

A nigger (or nigger wannabe) mocking someone else's name choices... That's comically rich lol

Here comes the warning or ban lol oh well

>>9214486

Careful... that's "wrong think" on a site that's so "pure" it has ads of people fucking on the main page

>>9214584
pretending dragon warrior 7 never happened?

>>9214584
You probably don't care but they also wanted those early western releases to be named Dragon Quest. The only reason it didn't happen was because of a trademark dispute with the DragonQuest tabletop RPG.

>>9214717

Ok but the art and style was different too before it went generic cutesy Anna May.

>>9214584
not everyone is an amerimutt

>>9212740
Pokemon Red/Blue

Every JRPG prior to the 5th gen really.

>>9212740
Metal Max. Battles either end quickly or you can just run if you don't want to deal with it, including bosses.

>>9212798
DDS1 on the NES would like to have a word with (you).

>>9212740
Most Famicom RPGs really. Play Mother (Earthbound Beginnings), Lagrange Point, Megami Tensei II, FF1-2-3, Metal Max, those are the best ones, then if you still want more you can always play Ninjara Hoi!, Jubei Quest, SD Keiji - Blader, Sweet Home, Dream Master, Heracles no Eiko II: Titan no Metsubo, Musashi No Bouken, Ganbare Goemon Gaiden 2 - Tenka no Zaihou.

>>9212740
>JRPG gameplay is so bad even the fans want to get it over and done with

>>9214938

On the boxes and manuals and stuff yeah, but in the games not so much. The first game was relatively tame in its visual design, but Dragon Warrior II had some highly goofy, Toriyama-looking monsters. Like look at the weird boobs on those batboons. There was Dragon Ball all over you as you played those games, whether you knew it or not.

I dunno though, if the "of experience points thou needest seven" stuff in the text wasn't done in future games (I wouldn't know) then yeah that's a pretty big change. But the art in the physical package, come on, does that even count?

>>9214717
They made the right choice to change the name. As if Enix could ever oppose pic related!

>>9214598
Just gave anon a brain aneurysm.

>>9214584
So, it sounds more like the opposite is true; YOU get mad when people call it Dragon Quest because you've convinced yourself that the series was meant to look like a TSR Gold Box knock-off.

Which is funny, because everyone in the western fandom is fine keeping the original western names for stuff and some people even refer to the first game's character as "The Dragon Warrior" instead of "Descendant of Loto".

>>9217084
I think it was more of a "we don't have the time or money to spend in court convincing the patent office that OUR game called Dragon Quest is different enough from THEIR game called Dragon Quest" thing. Like how Nintendo was going to Bolero as the title theme for the first Zelda, but had to make a new song because it wouldn't enter Japan's public domain until the month AFTER it needed to ship.

>>9216984
From DQ8 onward, the general tradition is for all characters from the first two DQ games (and to a lesser extent the third) to speak like they did in the original Dragon Warrior releases, though it's a little less overdone these days. They also switched the legendary hero's name back to Erdrick instead of sticking with Loto like the GBC ports had.

>>9216971
I think its more of a "yes yes, I get it; the dragon summons the spirits of the northern gods of sorrow to hit me for 9473 damage. I don't need the 2 minute fmv each time he does this" thing. When you fight the Dragon Lord at the end of DQ1, all he needs to do to be menacing is for you to hear the 1 second long "breaths fire intensely" sound effect twice in a row.

>>9217918
>From DQ8 onward, the general tradition is for all characters from the first two DQ games (and to a lesser extent the third) to speak like they did in the original Dragon Warrior releases, though it's a little less overdone these days.

Funny how stupid that turned out in DQ11. For the 2D mode time travel sidequests that take place in DQ1/2 you get the old english talk, supposedly because those are ancient times.

Then, you find out DQ11 is actually, spoiler, a prequel to 1 except they all talk modern day english.

>>9212740
Last Bible III

>>9212740
> How did everyone fail so fucking magnificently at such an obvious feat of game design?

As for answering this, it's pretty simple. The genre took a shift away from gameplay and towards visuals/story gradually with each generation. The epitome of that being the PS1/2 RPGs with literally minutes long summons, or generally super detailed and super slow battle animations (the worst I've played between Metal Saga, HOLY SHIT if you don't like slow battles don't play that game.)

Gameplay gradually became less of the central focus like it was originally. Easier games, less random encounters, and it's what players wanted.

>>9217990
If I recall right, DQ3 has everybody talk normally (at most with the usual silly accents) and only when you fall through worlds to reach Alefgard do you get the Ye Olde English from DQ1 and 2.

>>9217997
Shit is so fucking whack. It's what made me write off all JRPGs as being shit back in the late 90s and early 00s when FF7 and it's retarded stepchildren were all the rage. Going back and playing the old dragon quest games, Breath of Fire and a few of the old FF games (V mainly) made me realize that they can be really fun for mindlessly grinding away while listening to podcasts at if the battles are quick and the game allows you to explore. Why the hell don't they just put a fast forward button on all that shit? Seems like such a no brainier to me. Why anyone would want to watch 30 second animations every time a random encounter happens is beyond me.