/vr/ - Retro Games

I don't really have anything to add, but man I love Zelda II. I hope it gets remade some day

arr rook same

I think you nailed this one OP

To me it was just an RPG where you kill monsters, any cultural connection was accidental

>>9204202
So much of Zelda is based on Japan while simultaneously being based on Europe or even other places. It's stupid to try and say it's based on one singular location when many areas of the games all throughout the series take inspiration from all around the world.

>>9204228
>the cross shield was accidental

ok

>>9204236
Common item in rpgs, it can mean anything.

>>9204202
Cope. It's got English text in-game and Zelda is an Anglo-Saxon name.

Fuck off to Kid Icarus.

> Keiji Terui, a screenwriter who worked on anime shows such as Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball, wrote the backstory for the manual, drawing inspiration from conflicts in medieval Europe.
(translated)
>"By the way, I started working on games when Nintendo asked me to write the story for the original Legend of Zelda. I wrote a story resembling a medieval European struggle for supremacy, then called "Death Mountain" and created the legend of the Triforce. It's a system that doesn't matter now that you pick up items that have fallen apart, but at the time it was quite innovative. That's what I'm proud of!"

>>9204253
It's like any rpg.

>>9204238
>bible can mean anything
ok

>>9204281
It's just a dumb cross, zero meaning unless they say it means something

>>9204293
im laughing at the idea of you trying to explain this post to Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates

>>9204310
Why are you inviting him to your gay nightclub?

>>9204251
>It's got English text in-game
Not in the original version.
>Zelda is an Anglo-Saxon name
Maybe, but it also works in Japanese. For example Sarah and Erika are both simultaneously Anglo-Saxon and Japanese names. So is Ken, Eren/Ellen, Emily, Kylie, Maria, Naomi, Lisa, Dan, Kai, or Noah. All of those names could be Anglo-Saxon or Japanese.

Come up with a better argument.

>>9204202
I definitely do get a Mediterranean vibe from Zelda 2.

>>9204218
Didn't someone do some kind of revamped port of it to Unity a while back? Was that any good?

>>9204236
i mean it's not accidental but it's basically how people use stuff like say, the yin yang
that might mean a lot to some chinese elderly people but to us it's just a representation of chinese religion, same thing with the cross for the japanese
if it meant a lot they wouldn't have made their own religion in alttp and all subsequent games and just kept christanity as part of the plot

>>9204202
so this whole post is to make the joke that the wood slat door looks a bit like a Romanesque column

Zelda's inspirations are all over the place, but yeah, Zelda 2 in particular does feel very Greek,
Ocarina of Time is maybe more Celtic than anything. Twilight Princess is trying to do Lord of the Rings, and the Wild West at the same time, for some reason.

>>9204202
LOTR does not take place in the medieval era kek
It takes place in Europe yes, but in the bronze age

>>9204202
They don't get blonder, Link is blonde in the very first games official artwork. What you actually meant is that they got darker haired for one game and then returned back to canon hair colors.
Also, many Meds are blonde, about 20-30%.

>>9204495
No he isn't, he had brown hair in the NES game manuals.

>>9204236
>>9204281
>>9204310
people have taken other religious symbols and used them for different purposes a lot throughout history, and especially in creative works. you going to tell me the fucking nazis were actually hindus?

>>9204535
that is dirty blonde to be pedantic. its brown but golden

>>9204545
It is literally the same color as his sleeves.

there was a mild Greek mythology and classical era boom in the 80s and early 90s in Japanese fantasy art direction, conscious or not, so I think you're onto something. The Famicom release of Nintendo's Fire Emblem's first game was the same way, with a visual ancient Mediterranean theme that fell off fast with later games. And there was that one Glory of Heracles jrpg series that started around the same time

>>9204556

>>9204310
Real crucifixions were rare and took place on a diagonal X frame. You're worshiping a kinky jew.
>>9204486
Mediterranea literally means 'Middle earth'.

>>9204381
They literally named Zelda after a white chick who got locked up by her husband.

>I am Error
Is "Error" a common Mediterranean name ?

>>9204597
hot

>>9204535
Thats not golden blonde but its light anyway, and there is also official artwork for the game he is very clearly blonde

>>9204635
It's Errol.

>>9204562
Mediterranea meaning that has nothing to do with LOTR. Tolkien literally said it takes place in western and central Europe "but not in the Italian region and beyond".

>>9204556
Ancient Greece is such a rich mythological setting to draw from and yet so underutilized. I wish we saw more games that drew inspiration from it.

Hirule is the Balkans

>>9204381
1. It does has English text in the original version. I will link to a longplay of the first game so you can check for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-aYJyHgCy0
2. There is literally nothing Japanese about the name Zelda. It doesn't coincidentally exist in pre-Meiji times like you are bizarrely trying to imply. It's a Western name romanized and written in katakana and any Jap playing this would immediately notice this. Same goes with Link too.

Come up with not being a fat retard.

>>9204556
Fire Emblem kept that flair in the second and third game too methinks. The third mixing it up with other flairs like Arabian or actual medieval Europe depending on the country you were in

>>9204202
Um excuse me, you've made an Error in your judgement.

>>9204202
WAS pretty broad. WAS
nice thread, anon

>>9204202
Zelda II takes out Greek and Roman mythology and it's definitely not "unintentional". Reminder that Zelda II does not have "dungeons", it has "temples".

>>9204218
>I like game
>I hope it gets a remake

Does not compute

>>9204810
There is the Glory of Heracles series

>>9205141
Are you nuts? The word temple refers to any religious building. Especially since it's called shinden in Japanese.

>>9204202
>Hyrule is Pan-Evropa
pic related
Anyway I think you're right. Being Japanese, they probably just never really cared and went more with what works in terms of atmosphere and aesthetics. I know Miyamoto went to Germany to see castles as inspiration for OOT. But even as a kid playing Zelder I could feel that this wasn't really the standard European fantasy setting.
If there are any Japanese Anons itt here then feel free to tell us what stuff like European castles evoke for you, and how much the average Japanese would care if something is Mediterranean or Northern Europe.

>>9204381
>Eren/Ellen
I lol'd

>>9205156
yeah but they look nothing like Japanese temples.

>>9204202
That explains a lot.

>>9205384
>>9204202
Mind = blown

>>9204218
>man I love Zelda II.
yes
>I hope it gets remade some day
ew, nah

>>9205384
mmmm yes heal my wounds mamacita

>>9205156
Yes, but these temples are greek as fuck.

i only have a couple things to add, like the samurai-looking guys stand out as not being european, but man i love zelda ii. i hope it gets a sequel with similar mechanics some day

>>9204202
Indeed.

>>9204228
That's because you are a dimwit.

>>9204253
All these years I thought Miyamoto came up with the basic story for Zelda.

>>9204202
>Zelda II in particular gives off a distinct Mediterranean vibe to me
I think it depends on the region. In the original LoZ, you can see it being more traditional fantasy. But when you explore greater Hyrule you get kind of sand people town names.
"Raru"
"Kasuto"
"Midoro"
"Saria"
"Tantari"
Seem like a bunch of desert nomad people. Hyrule had probably been conquered a bunch of times or since it had the power of the Triforce a lot of people travelled there.

HOWEVER, one thing I will give you in LoZ is that they are called "Labyrinths" which would be more Greek, but in AoL you are placing crystals inside "Palaces" which that's less distinct.

>>9204253
>It's a system that doesn't matter now that you pick up items that have fallen apart, but at the time it was quite innovative. That's what I'm proud of!"

Typical dev interview
>-I- came up with it! Nobody did it before and I'm proud!
And I bet people eat this shit up

>>9204202
The palaces definitely have a grecian feel. The towns do feel kind of spanish or italian (or mexican) too. It's all kind of a mix, but it does feel a bit more southern than typical anglo/celtic/germanic style fantasy.

>>9205384
This one I have definitely always thought. The way she walks around with her hand on a hip looks like a flamenco dancer.

>>9205141
>>9205591
Why are boomers so stupid?

>>9209549
that's just what bein senile does to the brain, it's a sad state of affairs really
that said i don't think it needs a remake either, when you can just make a new game in the same sort of manner

>>9204202
>>9204218
I DO NOT LIKE THE ZELDA II
I DO NOT LIKE IT, SHIGERU

I DO NOT LIKE THE MECHANICS
I DO NOT LIKE THE MAGIC TRICKS
I WOULD NOT LIKE IT IN 3D
I WOULD NOT LIKE IT IF IT WAS FREE

I DO NOT LIKE THE ZELDA II
I DO NOT LIKE IT, SHIGERU

>>9205384
But then you look at the concept art from development, and in the manual.

>>9209613
France

>>9206886
>Hyrule had probably been conquered a bunch of times or since it had the power of the Triforce a lot of people travelled there.
kinda like IRL Spain getting conquered by the Arabs

>>9209613
Where is the light source in this picture?

>>9209592
i respect parody, well played, but fuck your opinion

>>9210175
The irony is that using Green Eggs and Ham implies one hating Zelda 2 for no reason at all and would actually like it if they only tried it.

>>9204218
>I hope it gets remade some day
Kill yourself subhuman switchfag

>>9210206
Green Eggs & Ham is the perfect example of manufactured consent.

>>9205857
>All these years I thought Miyamoto came up with the basic story for Zelda.

Tezuka wrote the story for Zelda 1 and 2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takashi_Tezuka

>>9210175
>>9210206
That was actually kind of my point. Most people who got turned off Zelda II (including myself) just couldn't get into it for superficial reasons. It was way to much of a black sheep for me back then, and I get kind of annoyed by people touting its merits and insisting I'd like it.
You could probably reskin it and remove all the Zelda references and I'd feel more inclined to give it a go.

>>9210750
i couldnt get into it because i could not figure out wtf to do, it wasnt until i was a teenager that i sat down and really tried to figure it out. I just never saw the damn cave on the way to the first temple in those trees. Once i got through that and into the first temple I was hooked though.

what do you guys think of the redux version of this game?

I've always wanted to play this since I think the combat looks great and I dislike Z1's combat but I've been told its a direct sequel and my autism prevents me from sequence breaking lest I miss some important story element or reference.

>>9211614
same reason why I can't play castlevania 2 despite really wanting to do so. I haven't beaten the first one without savestates so I can't move to the second one.

>>9204381
>Zelda
German/Yiddish
>Sarah
Hebrew/Aramaic
>Eren
Mispelled Irish.
>Ellen
Greek.
>Emily
Latin.
>Kylie
Irish
>Maria
Romanised Aramaic
>Naomi
Aramaic
>Lisa
Anglicised/Romanised Hebrew

Only "Lisa" can possibly be considered an "Anglo-Saxon" name, and even then, only just barely.

>>9205141
In the OG English version, they're called "palaces" not temples.
Idk wtf they're called in nihongo.

>>9205840
What samurai lookin' guys?

>>9209619
>france
lolno

>>9210726
TIL Green Eggs and Ham is a product of rape culture.

>>9211614
>>9211620
the story of those games are basically the same thing
link/simon beat ganon/dracula soundly, and then in the next game their minions attempt to revive them and kill link/simon but of course it doesn't work and the resurrection is prevented in link's case and in simon's case he actually resurrects dracula to kill him again and they all lived happily ever after, at least for 100 years
also that's not sequence breaking you're thinking of something else, like getting the items in metroid out of order

>>9211657
Other nobles have dabbled with the Fleur-de-lis but it is most closely associated with the French royal family.

>>9211746
Gotcha, I'll just go ahead and play it and come back to Z1 later. By the way, how is the redux version of Z2 anyway?

>>9211863
idk i haven't played it but it seems pretty good

>>9205120
his left hand kinda looks like his pecker sticking out and now I can’t unsee it

>>9211645
The Japanese term for Zelda 2 dungeons was 神殿/shinden, same term used for the "temples" in OoT. It can arguably be translated as a "holy palace".
Zelda 2 was released back when Nintendo of America was still sort of iffy about religious things in its localizations.

>>9211649
the north american version of these guys

>>9211634
The name Zelda is etymologically identical to the Old English/Norse/German word Hildr (Hilda), which means battle/fury, ie, it's Anglo-Saxon. No idea why you think it's yiddish. But then again it seems that you aren't aware that all old Germanic languages are cognate.

>>9212161
I don't get how you guys think this resembles a samurai, it looks like a knight with a horned helmet. It almost looks like it's blatantly stealing from Dragon Quest 1 (which actually has an easter egg in this game). This isn't no Murasame Castle.

>>9212467
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>9204635
I've been called that by my parents several times

I'm Spanish

>>9212467
Being etymologically linked doesn't make two terms the same thing. Hildr and Zelda are not the same name, despite being etymologically linked. Furthermore, Zelda started as a dimunitive of Griselda, which is also linked with Hildr (Gris = grey + Hildr/Hilda = battle) but didn't appear as name in its own right until German and Yiddish began to use it that way.
To make that point, I mentioned the name 'Lisa' as 'Anglicised Hebrew.' Lisa started as a diminutive of Elizabeth which is the Anglicised form of the Hebrew name "Eleshav/Eleshava/Elishaba." It is also related to the name "Bathsheba."
Using only the same logic you used to deduce that Zelda and Hildr are the exact same name, you must say that Lisa and Bathsheba are the same name, too, right?

>>9212846
Zelda and Hilda are literally the exact same word, except one of them is a more modern rendering. You're trying too hard to be pedantic after you've been shown this, it's kind of funny. If you are using the same logic to deduce that words are rendered differently across different sources, you've got basic linguistics and anthropology, not whatever you're doing. Also, IDK where you're getting that the modern rendering is specifically German or Yiddish. No idea if this is even true, because I can't find anything about this - but the fact that they are both Germanic kinda makes this point seem obsolete anyway. It's a lot more clear-cut than the introduction of Latin/Roman words in the Middle English period (even though Latin and OE are technically related but much more distant). Ultimately (Latin-derived word) you should take the L (modern rendering of loss) on this conversation.

>>9213626
Zelda started as a dimunitive, not a name in its own right and not even a diminutive of the name Hildr but of the name Griselda, which is etymologically related to Hildr but is not Hildr.
You can bolster yourself with all manners of wholly unrelated points, like how OE is related to Latin (irrelevant to this discussion) but it doesn't change the fact that Hildr != Zelda, though the two or etymologically linked.
And 'cognate' doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>9213684
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griselda
>It has been suggested that the name originated from Old English "gris hild", meaning "dark battle".[1] The name likely specifically stems from the Proto-Germanic language elements *grīsaz, meaning both "grey" and "fearsome, terrible", and *haliþaz, meaning "warrior, hero", or alternately *hildiz, meaning "battle" (compare modern German grau and Held).[2]
You're being so funny when you use the expression "etymologically related" like it's only vague or slightly a similar expression. It's directly the same word, in a different modern rendering. I don't know why this is difficult for you to grasp, or why you feel the need to be pedantic? I think it's probably because you don't understand how language sources work. For example, in modern English, we use the word "Sleep", in Anglo-Saxon it was "Slǣpan". In modern German, "Schlaf"; in Danish, "Søvn"; in Dutch, "Slaap"; in Swedish, "Sömn". Etc. These are all the same word. They look similar and they refer to the same thing, because they come from the same origin, which is usually called Proto-Germanic (Slēpaną). This is called a Germanic language. So, yes, cognate does mean what I think it does.

Zelda and Hilda are the same name and I think it's been proven beyond all doubt. Any casual observer here can see this. There's probably thousands of similar examples from any European language. Please don't double-down on being silly, it's getting boring.

>>9204202
Link got some stank from that slut.
I just can't believe they don't charge you.

>>9204560
Gooks can only copy. Gooks have no creative intelligence.

I think OP makes a fair point, but Zelda has had many different styles in its depictions.

Personally, I've always wanted a Zelda game that evoked the imagery produced for the Official Player's Guide for A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. It's... somewhat dark I suppose, but also foreign in places.

>>9214150

As a child I spent many afternoons just looking at the pictures in that guide and wondering what a game like that would be like. Wondering about exploring this world I glimpsed in the drawings that was so much more grand, dark, scary, and mysterious than what I could see in the games.

>>9213921
None of that beyond the greentext is relevant and your own greentext proves you wrong. Griselda != Hildr and Hildr != Zelda.
As Hildr = battle/fury (see >>9212467) and Zelda is a diminutive of Griselda, a name which, according to your own greentext carries the meaning 'dark battle,' Zelda cannot = Hildr because Hildr does not mean "dark battle.' QED

>>9214234
I honestly can't even tell what your defence is supposed to be actually. The greentext is extremely clear. Griselda is a modern rendering of 2 Old English words (grey and hilda), which is exactly what I've been saying since the start. So, no, it doesn't prove me wrong. At all.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grey#Etymology
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hilda#Etymology

>>9209592

Because you suck at it

>>9210175

Agreed, Zelda 2 > the rest

>>9214023

Why would they charge him? They know he's fighting for them

>>9210750

So you're a superficial sheep, opinion discarded.

>>9214150

Link to the past is truly a beautiful game but hard for me to replay... Zelda 2 is always a challenge and has the best gameplay

>>9214167

"Aww man, can this bitch just stop telepathically messaging me for 5 minutes and let me get some sleep for fuck's sake, sheesh"

>>9214172

"Look I know you're lonely Mrs. Berkenstein, but you're Jewish and way too old for me"

>>9214869
Two different words, exactly. Hildr/Hilda is one of the words. And Gris is another one of the words. Zelda is a dimunitive of the both of them together, not of just one of them.

>>9205090
Seems legit.

>>9211663
kek

The modern gaslight rabbit hole sure goes deep.

>>9212001
One early strategy guide from Nintendo predates the localization so they refer to them as "Cathedrals"

>>9214993
>>9215000
I smiled

>>9204218
Fun fact, Zelda 2 was commonly used as a litmus test for new Nintendo hardware by remaking parts of it.

>>9216454
(pic unrelated, just a fan mockup)

>>9204398
There's that revamped port in game maker, I saw vinesauce play it but it seems it wasn't public at the time and I don't know if it has been released or not yet.
It seems it changed a lot of stuff and added many secrets, not sure if purists would like that, it has tons of good QoL though.

>>9217127
From what I saw all the stuff it added looked and played in a fairly seamless way. I liked Zelda 2 as a kid but my cartridge had a bad battery so I never got too far.

>>9214960
>>9214970
>namefag can't appreciate a reference
Lmao. I forgot your generation wasn't raised on books.