/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
AD MORTEM PHASE 2
Submissions due Oct 12th
>>9194259
https://mega.nz/folder/NBFWlJZQ#ayc36MvN6fAvwup-8vMLdA

94 PROTONS OF /vr/
See picture below for details
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===
[8-23] Photos from planned FMV scenes for 3DO Doom released
https://twitter.com/burgerbecky/status/1561827633217912836

[8-18] Threewave Capture the Flag and Rubicon 2 added to Quake remaster
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2310/announcements/detail/3337750462906016220
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1560297992841732096

[8-18] Various id games on PC Game Pass
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1560305065683865600

[8-18] Trailer for Chasm: The Rift, confirmed to be on GOG and Steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPqHQpiq1A

[8-18] Revolution added to DOOM 2, also interview.
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/6BZ4kXCNDikWq0C4gBtyRy/nods-to-mods-interview-revolution

[8-17] GOG versions of Doom now offer re-release ports
https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/1559903276094656513

[8-17] Voxel Doom is out
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-voxel-project/addons/voxel-doom

[8-12] The guidelines for the Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1558056148795887618

[8-12] Quakespasm-Spiked has been updated
https://fte.triptohell.info/moodles/qss/

[8-11] Circadian Offset released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/circadian-offset-full-release/news/circadian-offset-full-release

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

94 PROTONS OF /vr/ INFORMATION AND STUFF

>reposting from last thread, vote if you care
https://strawpoll.com/polls/ajnENBrj0gW
Okay so this poll's formatting is kind of fucking retarded, but hopefully everyone has enough IQ points to use it. Share if you have to. Basically, I have a few things I've been thinking of doing that I could go either way on, and I figured why not just ask. You can pick as many options on this list as you want, but each option is either a YES or NO for a given feature, allowing you to vote for or against something. If you don't care, don't vote on it.
Most of these are minor, but the full d4 normalization might change the balance a bit and a potential revenant homing missile nerf could be beneficial on maps where they're used like snipers.
Yes I know I'll probably only get a few people voting but I'm leaving this up for about 24 hours before looking at the results so hopefully it grabs most people who are interested or care.

Play Quake Live

>>9204731
>playing Q3 but worse

>>9204731
u first

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2022 PROJECT SURVEY

This survey is intended for those intending to make a map for the project:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8nOOeHPKH81yJVmufHRogcSz0o9U3rEsswmAo4je0euOiVw/viewform

I have a couple issues to track down so I haven't updated the progs yet, but the development folder can be found here: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ

I'll let this go until next sunday then consider it final. You can of course start mapping as soon as you like.

>>9204701
>>9204703
94 Protons Of /vr/
For those interested, go for broke! From August 11th to September 12th

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.9.6 (now works in Woof)
>PROTDECO16 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD
>A collection of MIDIs for mappers to use.
Please stake a claim on a MIDI you've settled on so that we don't get doubles, also, you are not restricted to the MIDIs in the folder, feel free to use one you sourced/made yourself.
If the assets update, I'll reply to this post stating so.

Special slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Claimed (?)
>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
Are you interested in making an E2 boss level, do you have anything special in mind, or would you be ok with a modified Icon Of Sin battle?

>Optional Hunted style map: Unclaimed
We could have up to two of these if there's the interest for it. Feel free to be playful with the concept of an Arch-Vile labyrinth.

>Optional Dead Simple map: Finished
>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
One suggestion for a larger city level was that we all take turns designing parts for it. How would we best go about this?

>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
Multiple ideas has been suggested. One cool idea was to use an existing /vr/ map as a base and slaughterifying it, is anyone interested in this, and do they have further suggestions for a suitable candidate? Someone else suggested another approach, mind that we could have two secret slaughter maps if we wanted to.

Current Submissions: 17 Maps!

To Do:
>M_DOOM (something styled after Plutonium in the periodic table)
>ENDOOM
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000
>Possibly rework the Death Exit effects somehow

Reply to this post with submissions or questions.

>>9204745
this

>>9204701
T-That's so drootal...

I actually really like this effect as an alternate take on what this weapon shoots. Not gonna make it default of course, but it's pretty neato honestly.

>>9204703
>AD MORTEM PHASE 2
Get some fucking spooky MIDIs in that Mega folder for mappers to use, maget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T98GXAQ_fDU
I have been listening to this for hours, TNT midi pack unironically improved the replayability of TNT for me, if only just to see what based track comes up next

>>9204768
I trust mappers to be able to find some themselves. With that said, here's some resources
https://doommidis.com/
https://vgmusic.com/
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/106316

threads are going to be 90% anchor posts soon. think about the environment! but at least we're recycling, eh?

>>9204778
This will all blow over when we inevitably run out of creative juices and go into hibernating again. But that better not happen before the Valentines project.

>>9204767
Also the performance improvement I just made (by fixing an issue that was entirely due to my own retardation while re-coding these tracer effects) has essentially made max-quality shotgun tracers an actual non-framerate-raping option.
This is what I mean when I say things like "me am small brain man".

I've been out of Doom since 2018, were there any new level editors or source ports released between then and now?

What PWADs would you actually rank above Plutonia? How many have you replayed multiple times?

>>9204773
Doommidis shows some kind of WIP page.

>>9204819
You've missed some cool shit, MBF21 is like an upgraded and bugfixed Boom map format with new features, which also allows a sort of upgraded DeHacked which isn't limited by existing frames or actors or stuff like that (so now you can just plain add stuff without having to sacrifice existing things). There's now also UMAPINFO, like GzDoom's MAPINFO, except Boom level ports like PrBoom+, DSDA, and Woof can use it to alter relevant stuff (such as making your own episodes).

/doom/ has also made a fair number of .wads in this time.

>>9204773
would songs from the community midi packs or from bandcamp/artist pages of known doom midi composers (peter lawrence, james paddock, decino, etc.) also work?

>>9204838
Yeah. I don't care where you get your MIDIs from as long as they're credited properly.

>>9204767
Will you make this an option to switch from the default effect?

would you guys know how i can make Blood's MIDIs work in Raze? i can only seem to make music files play.

>>9204872
never mind it works now

>>9204875
wait no it only works on the main menu hmhm

Hello bros, I haven't been here in about 5 years so what's new?
I want to complete a Doom megawad with a good overhaul mod (both of which would be at least from the last few years), any suggestions?

>>9204945
Read the thread faggot jebus christ just fuve posts earlier or so someone asked the very same question you illiterate moron

>>9204945
Super Mayhem 17 with Treasure Tech
Mausoleum Nefarium with GMOTA
High Noon Drifter with Strange Aeons

alien vendetta worth replaying with the new midi pack?

>>9204995
Yup, although there's some odd tracks here and there, it's overal a pretty nice midi pack. Always nice to find a reason to replay AV regardless m8.

>>9204995
Yes, I recommend removing MAP10 and 32 tracks though

How come very few actually made full use of BOOM's feature tricks in the past 20 years?

>>9205087
Because the "creative" part of "yeah bro limitation breeds creativity" only refers to coming up with creative solutions while dealing with Boom's arbitrary set of features/limitations and their respective workarounds, not to actually doing something creative with the tools at hand.

>tfw still waiting for Unloved II to come out

>>9205110
Pass the time by identifying all the broken shit in the beta that stops it working on any version of GZDoom that isn't ten years old.

>>9205087
>>9205095
I'd say it's also because of absolute garbage documentation. The modern Doombuilders still have no detailed explanation of certain functions and to get all the features you have to google a certain Doomwiki article that does not explain the features and at the very bottom is a link to an idgames archive wad made in 1998 that shows the functions and a video of said wad that runs at barely watchable 15 frames per second, made by some fucking third world shitter 10 years ago. Doomworld is also full of retards that know only the very basics of Doom mapping and "elite" are a bunch of lazy faggots who write shitty "guides" that are too long and never address any of the real important things. Been mapping since 2014 and nothing has improved since then.

>>9205125
this

>>9205134
>>9205095
>>9205087
Personally I would rely on autists in these threads years ago for doom mapping questions.
I had scripting stuff that was kicking my dick into the dirt and I'd ask here and within the hour I'd have an explanation and a demo level to go along with it.

>>9205151
>I had scripting stuff that was kicking my dick into the dirt
I think most of those people left. You can probably count the people who know even just ACS on one hand.
I also remember asking years ago about how to do something for a weapon I was making. Some anon actually wrote an acs script that did what I wanted and that worked as intended. Wouldn't be possible anymore today (mainly because I graduated to ZS lel).

>>9205158
Any idea where they went?
I'm going over my cutting room floor of doom projects now and there is shit there that never would have left the concept stage if it wasn't for those blokes.

any eternity engine bros here?
been messing around with mapping in it a bit recently and it's pretty fun with what it can do while still retaining the vanilla gameplay

>>9205170
Probably went the way of everyone not willing to put up with the increasing amount of retards anymore.
And then you have people like me who are stuck here forever.

>>9205232
Shitsucks, well I'm pretty sure here is the only place on 4chan to discuss Doom modding.
What made here so great is you didn't have to make a thread to ask questions or worse, be expected to trawl through over 10 years of threads hoping to find an answer to your specific problem.

>>9204703
(replying to Ad Mortem anchor post)
Here's an animated version of the oil lamp, made with Decorate (as I think Vaeros used decohack to convert stuff from decorate to dehextra).
Currently using 4 frames and it's just kinda glowing.

quick question about DPBs: do they usually implement all difficulty levels or are they tailored towards UV?

I guess I could open every one of them in UDB and check the monsters' placement in each map.. but that will take ages...

I'd be interested in playing the ones that implements both HMP and UV.. please help me /vr/

>>9205304
Quake 2 had pretty satisfying guns. Imagine Q1 map design with Q2 weapons.

>>9204701
Im surprised that gzdoom stopped any development of the advanced shadowmapping.

>>9205313
you didn't get me, the enemies will literally kneel if you shoot hyper blaster at them

>>9204745
>Q3 but worse
Which was already "Q2 but worse"

I’ve always wondered, are the hell floor textures supposed to be snakes or intestines?

>>9205319
Fucking gunners auto popping a grenade when they kneel.

>>9205313
That’s what Q2M does.

>>9205328
I always thought those light spots were suckers, like it's a writhing mass of octopus tentacles.

>>9205286
Generally, they don't have difficulties implemented but they're supposed to be more casual. When harder maps pop up, they tend to have difficulties implemented.

If one seems interesting to you, I'd just play it on HMP - the easier maps will probably be the same as UV and the harder ones might be nerfed a bit.

>>9205313
>>9205338
Should've shared the link as well.
https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=951

>512 Lines - Cordova Town
lol, lmoa even. This map was pretty comfy right until the yellow key gate. I don't even know how many viles came out there, but in the end I had like +14 kills because one fucker snuck away and ran through the level resurrecting everyone while I was dealing with the Cyberdemon. Also, loved the secret.

>>9205320
How is the Quake 2 modding scene like? I've only played with Doom and Quake 1 mods.

>>9205441
It's very small, especially with the small amount of interest in Q2 mapping. You have to know your way around C if you want to mod it.

>>9204869
Well, all this is is a very long, very detailed tracer with the start and end size ratios being set to 1.0. Since everybody wants the advanced sprite tracer settings exposed, you'll be able to set it up this way yourself in the new version if you want to. You could also set it up in any other way really, that's the beauty of it.

>>9204745
!?!?!
VQ3 has 100 Damage Rails, you're cool with that?
>160dps LG
>random shotgun spread

>>9205451
Wait, are you playing as a shotgun guard with a blaster guard skin?

>>9205451
I want to keep a running list of shooters with good mod scenes.
>Doom
>Quake
>Half Life
>Half Life 2
Anything major I'm missing?

>>9205481
That's just the good old male 'disguise' skin, there's a variant across all the models. Love it.

>>9205484
Serious Sam has a good amount of custom maps. Unreal, RTCW, Thief all might be worth looking at for that too. Wolf 3D has a lot since it's so easy to make custom content for it. Heretic and Hexen aren't doing bad either since they're Doom engine games.

>>9204969
>Read the thread faggot jebus christ
Underage spotted.

>just fuve posts earlier or so someone asked the very same question
Hmmm let's see what they actually asked :
>>9204819
>were there any new level editors or source ports released between then and now?
>any new level editors or source ports

The other anon was asking about doom megawads WADs with overhaul.
Sooo that makes YOU the illiterate retard. Get "No U"'d.
While at it, kill yourself.

>>9205484
Duke Nukem 3D

>>9205484
STALKER series.

>>9205510
> quake getting dangerously close to doom
bros we gotta do something about it, I don't like this

>>9205510
>>9205513
Based, Quake is the better game

>>9205516
>Quake is the better game

>>9205510
>/vr/ lives rent free in these threads
Based

>>9205510
>lovecraftian secret wanted
>multiplayer destructor posting
>especially interesting gamepad
>meatball gimmick crosshair
>whatever, retarded opinions thanks
>possible updates easier
>serious, duke wrong
>maps playing long, fast
>retro pain retard
>play strogg hard yes
>cool quake wad
>enemies fun enough
>gameplay movement fucked, takes running
>faster shotgunners, discuss

>>9205510
>/vr/ lives rent free in these threads
Based

>>9205484
Battlefront 2 and Halo CE have a lot of mods

>>9205538
I wish Halo CE had some actually good single player content. Other than Lumoria there are no custom maps that would at least match the quality of the original or at least would do that without just recycling those original maps.

>>9205485
Wait, that's from the mission pack, right?

>>9205510
>remove gzdoom
I cannot wait until the day something replaces it

>just found out today there is a full-scale castlevania conversion wad
wtf man.
I still can't get over how fucking insane the mod community is for doom.
t.zoomer.

>>9205569
Now go and look up kart racing mod.

>>9205598
Was there one released since THAT one time?

>>9204701
I tweaked the famous lights.pk3 file for GZDoom in Slade just to see what I can do with it and loaded a fully unlit MAP15 from Doom 2. The results are actually pretty good and look even better in dynamic. It's a shame that GZDoom can't draw shadows for objects and floors/ceilings, making the image way too abrupt, but sometimes the level design just works. Maybe I'm gonna make a full megawad with the idea that the main source of light are vanilla light decorations.
t.GuyWithTeaCup

>>9205608
I really dig into these random things, when the initial level design aimed on standard sector lighting is peppered with some light decors, which makes the scene work even with the "modern" tech.

>>9204782
I really like the flavor the tracers add

>>9205569
I found that Castlevania TC a little while back, too, after driving myself crazy theorizing how to do it myself.
And holy shit it's so fucking fun. I'm glad somebody else had the good sense to do it before I ever even thought to.
["Don't Wait Until Night" intensifies.]
https://youtu.be/AHgAYzVo-Ag

>>9205569
Someone made the original Legend of Zelda in DOOM II...think it's the full game.
Check out Ashes 2063 and Golden Souls.

>>9204782
So how did you do it?

>>9205715
Weird, never realized those were twins.

>>9205748
>>9205715
they're literally clones
kinda spooky

>>9205829
They aren't clones in the way Clone troopers are.

>>9205484
Carnivores.

>>9205697
So basically, the way these work is that each tracer spawns a TracerMover object that itself spawns a number of NewTracerBeam objects that make up the actual visible part of the tracer. There's a bunch of logic in the TracerMover that actually moves all the bits along (instead of spawning them every frame like before) and sizes them correctly, and even destroys them if they end up somewhere they shouldn't be. These classes are then derived from to make the three tracer types (single bullet, shotgun, psmg).
Initially, this was written in a sort of highly configurable and experimental way where every piece was configurable by changing the code. Then, I had the idea to just make the configurations CVARs to speed it up and make it so that I could test different settings ingame. Now the problem with that was that every single piece of the visible section of each tracer was doing lookups for a few CVARs. If this was just a standard memory access it wouldn't be the end of the world, but apparently a CVAR lookup is probably an order or two of magnitude heavier than that. Not the end of the world when it's done once in a while, even a few times a frame, but when you hit, say, 20 * 45 * 3 (number * quality * cvars) lookups in one frame just for tracer parts by shooting an SSG it starts to matter.
The fix is simple, the parts don't need to know anything because the TracerMover is responsible for them. The TracerMover does the lookup once per tracer, then passes the result to the NewTracerBeam pieces. This saves nearly the entire in that multiplication above, turning it to (20 * 6) instead.
If I really, REALLY wanted to optimize this further, I'd have the thing making the TracerMovers do the lookup once, but that would muddy up some other code. Might still do it though.

>>9205842
Wow that post ended up formatted badly.

>>9205510
>consider revenants

Even if Doom was always cartoonier and Quake was grittier (NIN included), i can see how Doom can have an edge over Quake in terms of Horror or surreality
Both are kinda "sci-fi x fantasy, with some supernatural evil" but Doom's Hell was always diverse/versatile and Doom had different art styles throughout the games, while Quake bounced between dimensional Shamblers and Strogg, since they're kinda seperate
In a way, it's easier to imagine Doom take elements from Quake (And maybe other games like Heretic) than the other way around
Hell is a representation of evil that KNOWS it and hates humans, so some demons can look scary or specific in ways to have meaning behind their looks as if it's intentional in-setting
Basically "fuck you human haha"
While Lovecraft influenced things are supposed to be "undescribable" or meant to be misunderstood, meaning whether they hate humans could be unknown, even if they still defy our world's nature
And with stuff like tentacles/eyes/mouths and "eldritch looks", there's only so much you can do with Cthulhu or Nyarlathotep until some Lovecraft fan complains you're missing the point, so no wonder some people use that DeepDream AI shit to generate "spooky eldritch visuals"
But from Hieronymos Bosch paintings to horror movies and JRPG's, you think there's a lot that can be done creatively with Hell and demons, even if Urdak is not the same as actual biblical references
Even fanmade redesigns on Deviantart and assets in wads/mods show how you can stretch Hell in Doom, while Quake's "fan expansions" is less than Doom's
Doom's Hell still had some limits but that can depend on certain versions of it (You can partially blame it on modern Doom lore) and its potential can be examplified when cherrypicking the right assets/designs
Q1 still had material that made the "sandbox" bigger thanks to expansions

i don't like quake because encounters are dark and scary unlike doom where theres lots of color

>doom
More like dumb lol

>>9205929
DON'T REMIND US

>>9205929
OK ass-pained Wolf3D fan

>>9205569
>>9205684
Simon's Destiny is also by the same developer as the Golden Souls series.

Pretty sure he sometimes shows up around here too, he's a pretty cool dude.

>>9205510
>green hideous tomato
>meatball gimmick
>half death
>lore slugs
>flesh revenant

>>9205980
>lore slugs
Freakrounds getting noticed huh.

>>9205849

>>9205510
>added love gun

>>9204701
>8KVavoom source port exists
>It supports beautiful true dynamic shadowmaps, using ZDoom light decorations
>Very little people do maps which are aimed at it
Why? Holy shit, why? Yes, it has troubles with ZScript and basically a very distant relative of it, but still, damn, why? Engine is a tad slow, yeah, but it has normal modern lighting options, even quake-ish semi-baked magic tricks if your PC can't handle all the heat. One of the best Doom source-ports out there is buried in obscurity, and there is nothing I can do,

>>9205510
>keep high sense
>lost fix hands
>actual atmosphere
>already original
>difficulty aim
>>9205989
>Lost the template.
Ouch.

>>9204701
Aww my webm made the OP post

>>9206007
Big Z has a monopoly on the UDMF port market, they hire hitmen to take out modders and mappers for any UDMF port other than ZDoom and its lineage, and god forbid you try to make an alternative to UDMF, you'll turn up with 52 shots in the back of the head, cause of death: suicide.

Please... I need more of her.. I need Ion Fury Aftershock gameplay... or at least a release date ..

Weren't they supposed to show it somewhere in Gamescom, right ?

Oh well, I got a bunch of other shooters to play in the meanwhile.

>>9204836
How about level editors? The one I used was Eureka, was big in to Linux around that time and Eureka was one of the few that ran on Linux. Has SLADE become usable for maps or is it still the jank crap it was back then?

>>9206008

>>9206082
Ultimate Doom Builder can compile on Linux, it's got some jank (certain features can cause crashes, some UI elements don't display properly) but it's what I use.

Messing around with potential ways to show the rocket radius more clearly. This one actually looks interesting, but it' kind of hard to see without all the other effects disabled like I have here.

>>9206098
Do a vertical ring too.

>>9206102
I'm not sure if I'll keep this effect, but just for kicks I'll add a second ring and rape my processor. Hold on :^)

>>9206102
Well I added two more. Looks a bit silly, but oddly performs well even though it's 1080 particles and calculations every time.
Weirdly, just making the rings have a radius of 128 doesn't let them visually match the actual "effective" explosion size, so these are around 30% larger.

>>9206098
>>9206125
Just do it in all directions like with Quake (you can reduce the density as you aren't doing clean rings, also make them last slightly longer).

>>9206125
Oh my god I'm fucking retarded about the radius nevermind
>final distance is v * t right?
>what about acceleration?
>the fuck is accelerati- oh

>>9206125
Consider shelfing this concept for a slower weapon if the particles get to be too much.

>>9206127
Yeah I was gonna do that or make ~2 rings with semi-random tilt to them. I'll see what looks better. I worry that a full 360 spread will be too sparse to use effectively.

>>9206135
As it turns out, I could probably spam the absolute shit out of them and not have to worry. At this stage it's more about visual intelligibility than performance.

>>9206142
Maybe have just the particles as an altfire? Sort of a rocket launcher equivalent of aim down sights/scope.

>>9206150
No altfires in Babel. Obviously though, there will be a setting. What I mean by visual intelligibility isn't "Will this be too cluttered" but "will people understand what this represents if I don't tell them?"

>>9206154
Make the particles black maybe?

>>9206125
Can you give this whole effect random yaw/pitch/roll while keeping its shape?

>>9205436
Thanks. Glad you had fun.

>>9206165
Is it possible? Absolutely.
Am I a big enough brain man to put quaternions into GZDoom to do it without wanting to ack myself? Well...
Let me get reasonably fast math for a good sphere shape worked out and I'll get back to you.
>>9206163
That would improve contrast, but then there's the consideration of visual style. Maybe I'll just make a bazillion configurations of these and leave it up to a setting.

>>9206172
At the end of the day though all you can really do is add some warnings to the options list if you leave it configurable. It's the users own fault if they crank all the sliders up and make it a 2hu bullet hell bukkake of pixels. Just set them to defaults that won't blind people when they fire a gun and any further fuckery is on them.

Well THAT's not a sphere...
>>9206182
Pretty much. Same thing with the new tracer settings. You could send yourself into a seizure by misusing them, I'm sure, but the defaults are fine.

>>9206172
I just had a thought, if this is for gzdoom anyway, then instead of particles you could use md3's of single squares with rings textured on, with a random rotation applied
I'm a freak that likes to experiment with models in gzdoom though, I think it'll take a couple more years for this sort of thing to become popular

>>9206172
Maybe an option for the particles to flicker every 5-ish seconds while the rocket launcher is active?

>>9206041
>Weren't they supposed to show it somewhere in Gamescom, right ?
As it turned out, they didn't brought Aftershock there. Only original Ion Fury because... I don't know. It's nothing new for gaming events to show off released games, but whatever. Gotta wait for Realms Deep. Instead, (in terms of newer stuff) 3D Realms is showing Cultic, Tempest Rising and (allegedly) some unannounced game on Gamescon.
>>9206086
Sweet. Thank you very much, anon.

Observe as I fumble and try to test the radius like a moron, forgetting I can freeze time.
>>9206205
Pretty sure metadoom does that and it looks okay, but I'm also pretty sure I'm well known as a particle fetishist by this point so I wouldn't want to disappoint :^).
Seriously though, I might do this. Trying to at least get the basics down because I'm about 5 months past my intended release date due to bullshit.
>>9206209
This is also a thought, rather something like this that wouldn't look as jarring. I wouldn't put it on by default but doing that wouldn't even be hard. A simple "rocket guide" can be done with an event handler, or even in the weapon.

My boss just emailed me so I have to actually do my job now, no more updates for a bit.

>all the other fps threads in the catalog are bait
what's going on?

>>9206142
Go hogwild, I wanna see Quake style particle spray with the explosions.

>>9206227
That looks pretty good. Maybe make a third of them reach a little shorter, and another third reach a little longer, to make it look less like a pure sphere.
Is this Decorate or ZScript code btw?

>>9206086
Haven't made it far enough into tnt. Is this based on any location from the game?

So what's the verdict on Corruption Cards? I've been playing it for the first time now, and while it is very fun, it does also make Doom II exponentially harder. I've been slowly but surely making my way through it and MAN does this make the base game of Doom II harder, but in interesting and fun ways.

I just came across a card that I can't really make heads or tails of. I think it was called Grace of Lilith or something like that? And now monsters' aim is way off and their death animations are different, sounds are different and specters look different now? Can anyone here explain what exactly this card is doing? It doesn't make much sense to me.

>>9206248
ZS, but you could do it in Decorate+ACS with a bit of fiddling. it's just more succinct in ZS. This is far from a final version as well, so it can probably be done better.

>>9206229
It's most likely all sorts of dumb reasons. From the last few years in particular, the new Dooms and "retro-style FPS revival" exposed more people to these games.

>>9206256
i mix it with mods like colorfull hell, champions, legendoom lite and trailblazer

>>9206256
it's a lilith.pk3 reference

>>9205087
Most mappers are amateurs, and Boom does have some features that make amateur, vanilla-style maps somewhat easier.

>>9205989

hey doombros, newbie mapper here and I'm just wondering what's yalls tips for making good, almost build engine-like environments? I recently blazed through Ashes 2063 and it's level design was phenomenal to me, and I'd love to achieve something similar in my shitty wads.

>>9206341
Make a brazillian different little interactable actors and put them everywhere appropriate. Also pay a lot of attention to lighting and scale. Build environments are usually less abstract and feel like real places.

>>9205528
>cool quake wad
So...textures?

>>9206341
Interconnectivity. Everything loops back to everything.

>>9205261
this is neat as hell, although I wonder if the light should get that bright since it's just a lantern

>>9206391
it's, uh, a magic lantern

>>9205261
Looks really underdetailed and cartoony compared to the other assets desu.

My boss made me spend almost an hour explaining how to do a git push and git pull to him. I cannot believe I work remote for a silicon valley tech company. Fuckers don't even pay me a proper salary while they get paid $150k/yr to do this shit.
So I worked out an easy way to make tilty rings. Probably would need a bit more tweaking before being used since sometimes they can line up pretty well by accident. I also tried the fear particle thing and I gotta say, it's damned near unreadable in the midst of combat. I thought it would be a good idea, but I'm pretty sure it's useless. Making it more visible would impact visual readability too much, so I may can it unless I figure out a better way to do it.

>>9206417
Any suggestions on how to improve it?

>>9206430
Once again please note, I've disabled all other explosion effects and have these at really high density. A final version would definitely have at least one explosion sprite, and might not be as absurdly thick.

>>9206229
dunno, but this is genuinely the first thread I've seen in like 4 months that is good.
it's weird to see actual constructive feedback, intelligent insight and a clear passion for video games being discussed here inbetween bait /pol/ threads and anons calling each other retarded faggots like on /v/.
i feel like I've warped into an alternate dimension where 4chan is actually cool.
weird.

>>9206430
>>9206463
Fuck that is so cool.

>>9206436
Make it look more detailed and less cartoony, so it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb among the other assets.

>>9206470
Special sauce here https://hastebin.com/icixivacil.cpp
I'm doing 3 of these at angle+0, angle+120, and angle+240 in the rocket's death state. Works well to make sure they don't overlap too hard.

>>9206249
its the end screen for the episode if I remember correctly.
I haven't played tnt or plutonia for years so I could be wrong.

>>9206472
>Make it look more detailed and less cartoony
Yeah, you said that already, but what would you suggest?

>>9206479
Sadly I can't use this due to Zandronum compatibility, but posting your source like that for people to share is some good shit.

>>9206086
Why is his right elbow so high up? Looks like he's carrying a limp plasma rifle.

>>9205261
Can you post the graphics for this?

>>9206463
Neato. Can you speed it up and make the rings smaller?

Heh.

>>9206495
Sure. Here's the wad and the xcf.
https://litter.catbox.moe/c1b0r9.zip

>>9206491
Oh absolutely, I'd love to see this be used somewhere else. It's totally doable in Dec+ACS as well I'm sure, so zandy could get it. I've always maintained that anyone who wants to can and should root through and use anything they want from mods, mine especially included. It's the only real way to learn. I wouldn't be modding today if I hadn't torn apart BURL TUMD back in ~2012ish.
>>9206497
Making the rings smaller would somewhat defeat the purpose since they're supposed to outline the explosion radius, but speeding it up is super easy. I'd do it right now and demonstrate but I'm trying to get the sphere to do a nice internal diffusion at the moment.

>>9206481
darker colours

>>9206506
Maybe an edge case but it clips through walls. If it was either smaller, didn't linger as long, or a little of both it would be too quick to notice.

>>9206526
More like a known, accepted, and unavoidable issue, but yeah, particles don't touch anything ever. No real way to stop it unless you want to do one raycast per particle and launch them to the impact point explicitly. I could do that of course, but it would be absolutely horrific on performance. You'd have the same problem with nearly everything except replacing the particles with actors that have the ability to interact with (read: be destroyed by) walls, which also has almost the same issue as the raycasts.

>>9206539
Yeah that's rad, it's more explosive and less shockwavey FreeSpace 2 looking

>>9206463
Maybe if each ring had a different speed, possibly with a random chance to offset by 1 tic between, they wouldn't line up as easily?

>>9206463
>>9206472
Kind of makes me wonder if a more cartoony mod would work also.

Acme fucking holes in the wall and shit.

>>9206563
Oh you mean something like this? :^)
I was just working on how to blend the old sprites back in and not ruin it. I think the high speed would actually be a detriment without tweaking the sprite, but I'm sure I can figure something out.

>>9205261
>>9206417
>>9206505
I'm amateurish as hell with spriting, but how does this look? I'm not entirely attached to the chains, so those could go if nobody likes them.

>>9206580
A little more work on the glass bulb and that's gnarly. Maybe even make the flame FIREBLU to match the Liteamp's color scheme.

>>9206583
>Maybe even make the flame FIREBLU to match the Liteamp's color scheme.
I considered that, but it looked goofy. I'll make the glass less flat.

>>9206580
Love the base and the little skull thing, but how are the chains supposed to work?

>>9206587
Black magic. Or the links were just welded together.

>>9206591
>Or the links were just welded together.
lmao my mom would buy something like that

Is duke4net the only duke forum?

>>9206583
>>9206587
Here's another. I decided to just redraw the flame. I also added a little spout to pour in the oil.

>>9206572
I like this a lot actually. The offset adds back in some lingering bright orange at the impact but not so cluttered by the time it expands.

LOL decided to check on the KEX remaster updates and holy shit Timmy is back at it again lmao get the fuck out of here with your 2fort clone hahahahaha

>>9206621
Base is perfect. The rust patch on the skull is a bit too much imo and a flame on a wick probably wouldn't segregate.

>>9206630
You just have to accept it bro, he invented walking forwards in first person games.

>>9206632
I like the rust patch on the skull because it ties the design together more.
>and a flame on a wick probably wouldn't segregate.
Maybe not, but it looks neat.

>>9204745
people still play quake live you chode. it is the 2nd most played on the currently most played quakes right now

>>9206621
The glass should be made with a low opacity yellow, everything else is on point.

>>9206663
Does Boom have per-pixel opacity?

oh shit checkem

>>9206632
>and a flame on a wick probably wouldn't segregate.
That design is more of an oil lantern so it wouldn't have a wick.

>>9205929
>it turns out the real doom was how this general was doomed from the start
please let it stop

>>9206669
But don't these kinds of oil lamps have wicks?

>>9206665
Not sure why it wouldn't

Are you ready for a webm where you can't fucking see anything? I know I am.
I made 3 settings for the rocket explosions. One preserves the legacy look (ignore the broken particles they're still toggleable, just disabled because I was reusing the effects). Another uses the multi-explosion style but with 3 rings of slower particles, called "Meaty". The third is a single explosion style, but uses 3 rings of fast particles, and is called "Snappy".
I was gonna put this on streamable to preserve quality but now you have to log in for that shit so lolno.

>>9206675
>he doesn't know about VP9
i think the filesize limit is up to 4mb universally, too

>>9206672
Technically but not in the way where you're burning it like a candle, the thing burning is basically the gas.

>>9206684
It's definitely not up to 4MB on /vr/, and since I'm a retard and webm for retards doesn't use VP9 I haven't used it yet. Probably should look into it, but once I get the particle density configurations done for these effects I've got another ~2.5k words to write today. Thank god for caffeine.

>>9206685
Ah I see. I thought it was the same principle as e.g. Zippo lighters.

>>9206684
>>he doesn't know about VP9
no I don't, since when it's supported?

>>9206687
try handbrake

>>9206687
>webm for retards doesn't use VP9
No? I thought it was an option.

>>9206696
Well fuck me, it is, it's just in advanced options. Turns out I really am a retard as I thought I was, just a bigger one.
Jesus christ my CPU nearly lit on fire doing this.

>>9206703
Also yes I renamed this setting after recording this. It's unintuitive how it works, I know, but it makes the code less horrible.

>>9206468
oh yeah, these threads are an order a magnitude better 95% of the time, and even at their worst are still better than most of the site.

>>9206221
Is there supposed to be a Realms Deep this year? Haven't seen anything about it

>>9206703
That's some good graphics

Snappy might synchronize with just one ring being offset a single tic. Otherwise it looks better with the particles turned down.

>>9206781
>Snappy might synchronize with just one ring being offset a single tic
You mean do 2 on tic 1 and 1 on tic 2?
>Otherwise it looks better with the particles turned down
If it wouldn't absolutely rape the menus I'd make one CVAR for every single instance of particle effects so they could all be changed around individually. Don't tempt me aaaa

how long does it take to get the hang of serious sam? furthest I made it was 4 levels in, barely getting by even on normal

pic unrelated

>>9206791
It took me at least one full playthrough of the first two games. I was getting mega filtered in those first few maps when it starts ramping up.

>>9206789
>You mean do 2 on tic 1 and 1 on tic 2?
Exactly. The meaty setting defeats picrel effect even with all the particles.

>>9206572

>>9206791
Enable cheats and memorize rocket jump shortcuts until you get the hang. There's a secret rocket launcher right at the first area.

>>9206346
hue

Turns out I don't even know my own mod and coded the rocket ring density backwards. The menu name for the setting was accurate, I'm just retarded.
Probably gonna give the rocket its own density setting though, just because the effect can be very intensive. That way it can be turned up and down independently for people who don't like or can't handle the highest density while leaving the other stuff in the mod unaffected.
>>9206835
I'll try that after I finish writing this webnovel chapter
>>9206839
Webm related for me, it's so fucking satisfying but I really need to stop playing for another thirty minutes or so. Fuck.
Couldn't even VP9 this because it ended up too big for some reason.

>>9206846
Are you also going to recommend blasting through every level using god mode and idclip for Doom?

>>9204714
One hour left on this. Results are pretty clear though.
>6 people don't want new rocket effects
I made the legacy setting just for you so it's the same as before :^)

I just finished Nostalgia wad
Anyone can recommend me something very similar to it?

The results are in, and this is how people voted.
>Sprite Tracer CVARS: 12-1 = +11
>Fear Puffs: 9-4 = +5
>Revenant Nerf: 4-9 = -5
>StrifeDamage: 6-5 = +1
>Rocket Explosion Effects: 8-6 = +2
So, next version will obviously have the sprite tracer config in it, and if I can figure out a way to make the fear puff thing actually decently visible I'll do that as well. Right now I do have it implemented, but the problem is that it's just plain not very readable mid-combat unless you're specifically watching for it. Merge in other normal fear particles and... yeah basically you can't see it at all.
We're also going to have new rocket effects as can be seen in this thread, along with an option for the old one which is remaining exactly as it was just in case. If I can figure out a not-awful way to make actors bleed when hit with an A_Explode I may do that too. As for the strifedamage, there are a few projectiles that lack it.
>Arachnotron plasma bolts
>Cacodemon balls
>Cyberdemon rockets (lol, not changing this, no point)
>Imp balls (all types)
>Mancubi shots
Each of these rolls a d8 for damage currently, but I may change one or two to use a d4 with an equal average value instead (ex 5d8~=22.5avg~=9d4). This normalizes the amount of damage done without really blowing up the balance, but does have the side effect of making lucky hits where you take little to no damage less common. I will see if I really notice the difference, but unless it's strikingly better I'll keep it as-is. Some may get it, some may not. The lower the damage of the projectile, the more likely I'll normalize it.
Aaaand, that's it. My hands are falling off after writing a combined 20k words today of tech docs, novel stuff, and shitposts.

>>9207132
>but does have the side effect of making lucky hits where you take little to no damage less common.
Worth it to cut out the other side of the spectrum.
'ate them 80 damage boner balls.

>>9207153
The boner balls were already normalized actually, for that exact reason. Also my example was kinda bad because it only results in a ~4 damage reduction on the high end. It would be smarter to normalize the big hits, rather than the small ones.

>>9206693
Almost two months ago now. It's a godsend.

>>9206967
I wish I could do effects like that in Decorate

>>9207201
You are tempting me to try.

>>9207201
Actually, you know what, fuck it I'll make a coding horror. Zandronum or GZDoom Decorate? Seems like zandybam doesn't have particles in Decorate according to their wiki, so it might need ACS instead.

>>9207206
GzDoom, I don't know ACS at all

>>9207223
Well too late I started in zandybam with ACS but that's the way, way harder version so be assured the DECORATE version is basically just several hundred duplicated lines of spawning particles or using a user variable which is just bootleg ZS anyway.

>>9207201
>>9207251
https://files.catbox.moe/bhwula.wad
zandronum compatible, thoughts?

>>9207262
I mean it works, but I'm trying to replicate the ring thingy. It's a bit harder, probably because I haven't used ACS seriously in years.
If you really wanted to be a cool guy, you'd parameterize all those A_SpawnItemEx calls with appropriate sin and cos multipliers of angles to make a sphere in open space :^)

>>9207262
Why are you using individual sprites to make pixels? I'm 99% ZDoom ports lets you do stuff like these with its built in particles.

>fixed point angles aren't fixed point numbers
What even the fuck, holy christ no wonder this doesn't work lmao

https://files.catbox.moe/9qr3vg.pk3
I am, in fact, the man.
Fuck's sake I had everything working but the angles and it took like 30 minutes to realize I needed to convert them. Only remaining question is how the fuck to make it work in zandy, but I'm assuming the only reason it didn't when I tried was because zandy had some retarded ACS quirks where it doesn't like how I got the XYZ variables.
So anyway, yeah, this effect is perfectly doable without ZScript. You could even do this with Zandronum Decorate, if you were an absolute fucking madman and wanted to code up a bunch of hardcoded ring formation generators. I wouldn't recommend it.
>try to use VP9
>"Your image contains an embedded file"
It's a fucking webm Hiro, jesus christ fix your website.

>>9207356
Oh wait it's because it doesn't have SpawnParticle holy shit. I thought it was just A_SpawnParticle but apparently it's both. Okay yeah you could do this in Zandronum but you'd need some custom particle actors with the right fade rates. Might not look as good.

>>9207303
I just didn't know how to lol

>>9206791
what was always a massive buzzkill in Serious Sam was the coach gun not consistently dropping those faggot kleer skeletons in one shot. you had to be at like absolute pointblank doom 3 range for that shit to work. it needed to feel more like blasting pinkies in doom.

Is it just me or has there been virtually no good wads, or previews of projects the past few months?

>>9206791
I dunno, I was a baby at the time. What's giving you grief? The ambushes can be plain dickish, so there is no shame in quick-saving. The frog room on serious in the third (?) level is the one fight in the series I cheese every time by rocket jumping to a safe ledge.

Shoot always, don't let the guns idle in overwhelming fights.
Damage is consistent, so you can switch targets instantly knowing that blue mech will die to the second rocket.
You can also confidently run into a kleer or werebull with the coach gun if you've got lethal.
You can "store" a few kleers and werebulls in an orbit around you, like holding a piece in tetris.

>>9207364
Sam is about stacking damage in the most efficient manner. Double shotty has a brilliant and unique dynamic, where you time and space out kills with fine movement. One shot - one kill, not a second wasted, always a moment away from losing half you stack. Makes me feel like the chosen one.

Are there any multipart enemies you can destroy piece by piece in sprite-based shootans? Say, a crab enemy with claws as separate entities in front, or a centipede that shortens or splits over the course of the fight.

>>9204703
Even more photos from FMV scenes for DOOM's 3DO port.
https://twitter.com/burgerbecky/status/1562095460407541760
On top of that, Rebecca mentioned this. Probably as a joke since she would likely need to get a greenlight from id Software & Bethesda for this... Unless it "actually" wouldn't be DOOM:
>Now that I've gotten your attention, is there any way in "hell" I could recruit a group of film volunteers to actually, properly, film cut scenes for DOOM 3DO and make the "Definitive Edition" for release on Steam?
https://twitter.com/burgerbecky/status/1562098141750595586
>>9206750
Yes. Realms Deep's website was getting updates recently with 2022 logo. And, allegedly, Wizordum's public demo should come out during the event.
https://www.realmsdeep.game/

>>9204701
And thus the definitive way to play Doom has finally been attained and it is Voxel Doom with free look enabled + auto aim disabled. Soon we will also have voxels for the player's gun view and all the Doom 2 enemies, too. A true 3D experience!

>>9207558
We'll never have to deal with the immersion breaking 2D sprites again.

>>9207562

>>9207558
>>9207562
>>9207567
Voxel Doom is definitely impressive. I don't agree it's "the definitive way to play Doom" but I'll be sure to involve it when / if I ever bother with a VR headset.

Just a reminder that DOOM64's PC port is free to keep on the Epic Games Store right now, it'll be available to grab for the next ~6 hours

>>9206572
> those pathetic LE PARTICLE squares
Cringe. Totally fucks up the aesthetic

>>9207598
Elaborate. No one can improve with vague statements like that.
Plus Babel's used square particles for a long time, if memory serves right.

>>9207558
ngl looks pretty good

>>9207601
Particle effects kill the aesthetic of the game, simple as. Pixel graphics look good and immersive, but those squares look retarded and DO NOT GO WITH THE PIXEL GRAPHICS.

>>9207603
Got any examples of Doom mods that do it more to your tastes then?

>>9207605
Perfect graphics mode is smooth doom. It BUILDS on the original look, adding animations, blood and gore effects that enhance the experience and even refresh the game to a degree.

It should be a golden example to everybody looking to enrich the game.

On the other side of the spectrum is Brutal Doom school - where you just stuff as much shit in the game as possible without a single fuck given about whether it fits and it looks like Monty Python's Flying Circus but not repelling instead of funny.

Unfortunately most mods are closer to the second.

>>9207609
In other words for people who are fine with degeneracy of particle effects - sure, do the thing, but for normal people with a sense of taste, it has to be different.

>>9207609
I'm actually not fond of some of the stuff Smooth Doom does in terms of animations. Often too many animations get smoothed out to the point where the keyframes are too muddled, making animations lose their impact and some tells get harder to spot.
Personally I find the square particles to be fine here in Babel, it reminds me of Quake's particle effects.

Now when I try to add extra flair to effects, I usually try to make the art assets themselves more bombastic, like gif related. But Babel Guy focuses more on coding wizardry for extra juice.
Ironically enough there are times I wish I had more coding expertise and more options to make my shit extra fancy.

>>9206086

>>9206086

>>9207625

>>9207629
Remember that meme, was a great one

*cough* ahem.
FUCK HALLS OF THE DAMNED, E2 M6 CAN EAT MY FUCKING ASSHOLE, WHOEVER THOUGHT SPAMMING A THOUSAND PINKIES IN A DARK MAZE COULD BE DESCRIBED AS "FUN" AND "INTENSE" IS SO WRONG.
rant over.

>>9207625
>>9207630
DSTAUNT.WAV

>>9207602
Yeah but tbf my epic gameplay makes everything I play look good desu.

>>9207558
Would be a cool feature for a port like Doom Retro.

what's the best soundfont for you? i just use gzdoom's default but would like to hear the midis in other soundfonts

>>9207661
What we need is Voxel Doom + RT implementation for the Super Definitive Doom Experience.

>>9207634
>HALLS OF THE DAMNED
Unironically one of my faves in the first Doom.

>>9207667
SC-55

>>9207667
I'm a LeapChad.
https://musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/2308

>oi cheeky m8!

>>9207667
RLNDGM is the best all-around one that I'm aware of

Play more Quake Live

>>9207724
It hasn't stopped being inferior Quake 3 since the last time you shilled it.

>>9207739
Too bad you're shit at both.

>>9204701
This is so fucking depressing bros. Spoiled my day desu.

>>9207698
>>9207667
Don't use SC55 soundfonts. They all suck. Use SC55 recordings for your specific game.

>>9207763
Would this be doable in vanilla?

Every time the subject of Doom 1 vs Doom 2 comes up, some autist says "the Super Shotgun ruined Doom's balance" or "fights are too reliant on the Super Shotgun". After replaying Doom 2 with pistol starts, I realized it doesn't even have a fucking Super Shotgun on half its levels. Funny person.

>>9207773
It's a completely shit argument. A good player will use all his weapons in Doom 2 throughout (except pistol obviously). Obviously normal SG is not as useful as before but so what? That gun is boring anyway.

>>9207739
you must have got dunked on hard in quake live

>>9207773
I just wish they were on separate slots. The original shotgun still has a ton of utility and it's annoying to have to switch twice to get to it.

>>9207667
Roland's SCVA VSTi can't be beat

>>9207802
Based Roland chad. I'm partial to the Roland Canvas myself, even use it for my own songs

>high tech game
Awesome lightning guns, flamethrowers, cryo weapons, plasma swords.
>mage game
picrelated

How come fantasy games get perpetually mogged with their elemental weapons?

>>9207831
Because the designers are doofuses and can't make cool shit.
The trick is to sneak in some sci-fi into your fantasy.

>>9207831
because ironically, fantasy author either have no fantasy or too afraid of lawsuits to borrow from DND

>>9207834
Most early CRPGs had some kind of sci-fi. https://www.oldgames.sk/docs/Might-and-Magic/1/items.html
>Might and Magic 1: has a fucking blaster, and kept having blasters in their magic setting for 7 games
>Ultima 1: has space travel
>Wizardry: I know 7 has alien races, but I don't know about the earlier ones
>Final Fantasy: had fucking AIR SHIPS in a JRPGs
Only some like Dragon Quest or Bard's Tale actually tried to be fantasy and not sci-fi

>>9207773
Playing purely continuously, you can skate through nearly every fight in 2 with the SSG, but that’s not the issue. The problem is that the game rarely puts you in situations that justify using the stronger weapons.

multiplayer games (arena shooters only) are better than singleplayer and bring out gameplay potential unachievable out of singleplayer due to lack of motivation

Multiplayer competition is a constant battle of players one upping eachother

Examples:
Adrenaline Gamer (mod for the original half life) - Dust vs Expert 62-22 (AGMerkezi)
https://youtu.be/-292C_9UWKU

QuakeCon Quake Live Duel 2015
https://youtu.be/s9mKznxuqqg

In conclusion, single player games have little replayability.

>>9207837
I should specify then that MOST designers are doofuses and a lot of them nowadays are especially big doofuses for not embracing some sci-fi in their fantasy.
Because really that shit is pretty much magic to some booger eating peasant in a medieval setting anyway.

I'm a firm believer that sci-fi and fantasy go well together and no one is going to stop me from giving Samson a semi-magic Gauss pistol.

>>9207842
Why was Keel so popular in Q3A?

>>9207845
I agree. I want to see more sci-fi settings where magic has just been a thing and is used for technological progress, sort of like Masters of Five Magics except in modern times

>>9207847
That shit right there is exactly what I'm gonna do for my setting: Magic crystal bullshit that can serve as a battery and going forward into the future, they still use the same bullshit magic crystals as power sources, just more refined.
Really though that's stealing from Mega Man Legends and Refractor Crystals. Also stealing how they use smaller crystals as currency because that's cool.

>>9207838
>The problem is that the game rarely puts you in situations that justify using the stronger weapons.
Lol same as Doom 1 with the SG then.

>>9207851
It's not stealling, it's an inspiration.

>>9207834
Nah, my point is that magic feels pathetic even for the setting, with less impact than you'd expect from a bow or crossbow. Amid Evil stands above the rest, but it's more of a celestial/multiversal setting. Undying is almost modern, but has the awesome frost dragon cannon and the skull spell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiNfvPRePWo Dark Messiah stands out with environmental interactions. But dedicated mage simulators fucking suck, and adding tech doesn't address the core issue.

>>9207853
Pretty much. It’s a popular misconception. I’ve seen a lot of discussion about it on these boards and I’ve noticed it’s often been perpetuated from people talking about only Doom 1 and 2, not Final Doom or anything else.

>>9207862
>But dedicated mage simulators fucking suck, and adding tech doesn't address the core issue.
It doesn’t help that I can’t really think of any. Besides Hexen or Heretic, I can only think of that not-retro Lichdom game. Being a caster in Daggerfall felt awesome, though.

are the sunder maps the best looking doom maps ever? not really into slaughter maps but damn, how many 100's (if not 1000's) of hours has he put into them?

>>9207845
>Gauss pistol

Hnng. Yes please.

>>9207889
>>9207862
Arx Libertatis

>>9207763
nightmare fuel. like going to take a bite of your favorite food and finding a giant spider there instead

>>9207842
>playing with other people

>>9207939
lmao loser

>>9207609
Fortunately for you, every single particle effect in Babel can be turned off.

>>9207609
For me, it's vanilla smooth with the sprite fix mod and blood color .deh

>>9207842
If it's truly oneupsmanship you are after, you must find games with vigorous playerbases and monetary incentives, not aging washed up cliques playing simple games with ancient map pools, competing out of inertia. Good luck with your victory royale :^)

>>9207979
Then there’s me loving all of Zdoom’s particle effects, delicious square pixels.

>>9207989
As long as they are square, it always throws me off whenever I see anyone using round or smooth particle settings. It's like using filters, but only on specific dots.

>>9207846
maybe i'm confusing Q3 for quake live, but i thought everyone set enemy models to green keel just because he's a big target that's easy to see

>>9208003
You can do that in Quake 3 as well, but by without mods you have to set your own model to whatever you want other people to show up as, which might be the answer to
>>9207846

>>9207837
I want to add that in World of Xeen (Might and Magic 4-5) people live on a fucking colony ship/planetoid and aware of it because it has see through dome. They have people fighting wild orcs using swords and bows while sci-fi planes fly over their heads. Also, magic works through nanomachines running on Ancient's (yes, it is a race in a setting, and yes, they call themselves Ancients) Stargate Internet. Even Undead are a product of nanomachines.

Since >>9207598 might actually be a real opinion just phrased like argument bait, here's a webm. As much as it makes me go flaccid to even consider removing my beloved particles, there is a switch for it because I don't expect people to always share my sense of aesthetics. Technically to fully remove them you need to flip two more switches in HUD effects for the fear and combo indicators, but this does remove the vast, VAST majority of them.
It also took a while to get the rocket sprite trail working again because I had to just re-code it because it's broken on custom rockets.
>>9207616
I'm genuinely jealous of this spriting ability. Some people (like me) just don't have the natural ability to do stuff like this.

>>9207634
That's one of the best maps, go grab the LiteAmps if you struggle with the maze.

>>9208006
> but by without mods you have to set your own model to whatever you want other people to show up as
you sure? Its been like 20+ years since I played q3 but I remember using shit like cg_enemymodel "keel/blahblah" or whatever to set specific enemy models without changing your own or am I cooked here?

>>9208036
There is no cg_enemymodel in vanilla Quake 3, only cg_forcemodel, which matches your own, or forces everyone to sarge in team modes.
Most people play OSP or CPMA, however, which added cg_enemymodel.

>>9207862
>But dedicated mage simulators fucking suck
Ziggurat manages it pretty well but gameplaywise it's leaning on Heretic/Hexen so hard it actually has the Serpent Staff in it.

>>9208009
In fact, since you reminded me, I just went through right now and found the last few instances where that switch didn't toggle them, and applied it. Now, for the people whose existences I cannot fathom that DON'T like tiny colored squares vomited all over their screens during every single microsecond of their modded Doom gameplay, disabling that is as easy as hitting three switches in the options menu. Six if you count the native ZDoom options for blood, puffs, and trails and had them on particles to start with.

>>9207667
i use Merlin Creative for everything
https://archive.org/download/free-soundfonts-sf2-2019-04

it's well balanced

>>9207986
hang yourself retard

no modern style slow movement cuckold shooter can hold my attention like oldschool arena shooter can

>>9208007
Is there a term for this type for world building? Where the world looks generic, but once you get into it, it gets really weird?

You're going to love this. This >>9207842 is a has been. And this... >>9208070 This is what is known as a has been that has ascended past a has been. Or, you could just call this a has never been.

>>9208076
Science-Fantasy, I guess?
M&M qualifies as one, just like Zardoz.

Name some good Halloween-flavored WADs besides Ad Mortem and Unloved.

>>9208112
Dunno, Tangerine Nightmare?

>>9208112
Specifically “Halloween-flavored”, or just spooky? There’s a lot of “spooky” maps but I can’t recall any that are classically Halloweenie like AM is.

>>9208105
Not what's actually going on, more that once you get to understand the world more it's really weird, but it seems simple. One example is how Morrowind looks like kinda generic expect for the silt riders, but as you learn more and more you see how weird the world is

>>9208112
Hellground is kinda spooky. I played it with HND and skeleton Bratwurst enemies a few Halloweens ago.

>>9206098
I think the purely horizontal ring is good because the actual explosion damage is infinitely tall.

>>9207667
SEGAudio absolutely fucks. I initially tried it out because "wouldn't it be funny if the Doom soundtrack sounded like Sonic haha" and now I haven't switched away from it because it goes so hard.

https://www.musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/2020

>>9204872
>>9204875
>>9204879
I guess it's too late but I have MIDI music working. I'll check my setup and see if I did anything weird but I'm pretty sure I just dropped the music into the Raze folder...

>>9208272
Well, in GZDoom it's not unless you set that compat flag. It's unchecked by default.
Since I'm still screwing around I might add a cylinder option. Making these is pretty simple, honestly.

>>9204872
>>9204875
>>9204879
>>9208303
Oh wait. Are there actually separate files for the MIDI soundtrack or are they just embedded in something else? I think .ogg files are the CD music, and the "DW" MIDI files are for the Death Wish mod.

Anyway
>>9204879
I'm guessing you have all the files in the right place if you're getting MIDI music on the menu somehow. I don't know why it would work only in the menu though.

btw the Coagulated mod works with Raze even though it doesn't say so.
I mean it says it supports NBlood which is what Raze uses to support Blood, so it shouldn't be that surprising, but it's still nice that Raze doesn't break it.

>>9207634
you get a berserk though

shotguns

>>9208450
chainguns

>>9208450
>>9208484
>not plasma rifles

>>9208009
The last one is easily the best.

>>9207616
>>9208009
You gays give each other a proper reacharound already.

>>9208450
>>9208484
>>9208493
berserk fists

>>9208130
preferably halloween flavored, though general spookiness or halloween-esque community projects are fine too. For some reason I assumed themed wads like that would be more abundant but I guess it is a lot of work making custom halloween/christmas/arbor day stuff.

>Hey anon, we're about to play a match of Quake Live, wanna join?

>>9207724
im going to soon get better internet, so i may play some but how do you make it go above 120 fps?

>>9207724
not unless the graphics actually look like that

>>9207765
That IS vanilla, this image is probably older than most posters here.
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/All_Hell_is_Breaking_Loose

>>9208625
I'm older than that image, not that it matters anyway.

>>9207842
>competition
How about play a real sport instead of coping because you're short and have an overbite, nerd.

>>9207498
That sounds awful in first person shooter sprite form, cactus bro.

>>9207842
Your arrogant, holier-than-thou and ultimately pointless post here makes me not want to play with other people if you're the playerbase representative.
>bububuh it doesn't matter who the person is just frag dude it's the pinnacle of entertainment, it's a meritocracy
No. People matter, always have, always will. People would rather have Brootal Doom by Kegan than Combined Arms by Sgt. Mark, if you catch my drift.

>>9207906
I think it'd be a Gauss pistol at least. It's gonna have two barrels, one bigger than the other. One will take a little block of metal that the gun shaves chunks off of and rapid fires flechettes with it (Taking a note from Mass Effect there). The bigger barrel will fire anything Samson can into the chamber, though for GMOTA it'll be crystal darts filled with potions for long range alchemy attacks.

>>9208009
>natural ability
I'm a colorblind idiot and any ability I have now came from busting my ass and striving for self improvement.
I think anyone can git gud at art with enough practice, or at least "good enough" where they're above fugly programmer art.

Hey oil lamp improver, what's the current state of affairs? I hope you didn't get discouraged by the lack of feedback, I liked your lamp a lot.

why is my skybox color in black tower pitch black but in pumpkin man's video it's red

Thoughts on STRAIN? I went through it once and it annoyed the hell out of me with the obtuse progression/puzzles/secrets, then I looked at some reviews and people were gushing over this thing. Going through it again, and it has grown on me a bit now that I know what the hell is happening, but some of this shit is still goofy. Unique, but goofy.

So in regards to strifedamage, I did this
>Mancubus shot: 8d8 -> 14d4, Max Damage 64 -> 56
>Cyberdemon shot: 15d8 -> 27d4, Max Damage 120 -> 108
>Imp big ball: 6d8 -> 11d4, Max Damage 48 -> 44 (Kinda pointless, may change back)
>Player Rocket: 20d8 -> 36d4, Max Damage 160 -> 144
and so far it's not too bad. For the player rocket I might actually go ahead and just make a DamageFunction that's got a higher middle distribution instead or something. I just don't like slapping someone for 148 damage when I should have chunked them for more like 200+.
>>9208885
>I think anyone can git gud at art with enough practice, or at least "good enough" where they're above fugly programmer art
I would be inclined to agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I have consistently tried and failed to do so since childhood. I can modify and touch up art pretty well, but when it comes to putting a whole image on paper I can never seem to do it right.
Recent example. I have a female character in my web novel that I wanted to have a better idea of the appearance of because of various entirely non-sexual no I'm not memeing seriously there's no sex reasons. I can picture what this character looks like in my head near-perfectly, but the problem is that it changes a little bit every time I do it because there's no actual real basis for them. So I sit down and try to draw a very basic outline of a face. Six and a half hours later, I have something that looks like a rough sketch of a melted anime figurine, and I give up and refresh thispersondoesnotexist.com until I find a face that looks similar to what I was going for and just use that for reference.
I think if I could sprite I'd just be too powerful, it would be unbalanced :^)
Webm is a meme I'm not really doing this I just wanted to see what it looked like.

>>9208939
That's really cool but is there any reason the explosion looks about a full 1/3rd taller than the cyberdemon?

>>9208885
Them stray cyan pixels will haunt you forever.

>>9208943
Well
1.) Because I basically just copypasted the code for the sprite explosions and changed the actor with 0 change since it's not a serious effect. In fact I fucked up a bit and I'm surprised it didn't look even more janked.
and
2.) Because when the rings tilt, they can go up to 70 degrees, which really extends their height. Each one fills out to an eventual radius of 256 units, so if one of those things spawns at, say most of the way up the cyberdemon's body it'll end up going way over him.

You could replicate this effect with the ACS thing I posted last night if you wanted to fuss around with it a bit. It works out of the box, just call ACS_NamedExecuteWithResult("RingMaker", angle) anywhere in a decorate actor to make one. Only works in GZDoom though since Zandy doesn't have particle spawn control.

>>9208952
>radius of 256 units
diameter* Fuck man I even thought "diameter" in my head as I wrote that.

>>9208952
Ah okay looking more closely at it I see what you mean. Still cool though, if a good quality mod comes out of this I'll give you a kiss on the cheek and a big shiny dollar.

>>9208797
Huh. Will he still huck potion bottles?

is there a map with the aesthetic visual styling of something like sunder or sunlust but with difficulty closer to something like vanilla doom 2 or tnt evilution? I'm actually fine with slaughtermaps but I want to know if that specific visual style is also found in other maps

>>9208960
Babel is already out (technically) but the new version is coming eventually on itch.io instead of the neocities site. I swear, I'm not just holding it back because I'm retarded and can't stop tweaking it. It's gonna happen. Just not yet.

>>9208968
Very sexy effects anon

>>9208971
Yeah it almost makes me want to really do it, but the ring is only going to be for damaging explosions and right now I'm only planning to have it on the player's rockets. I thought about putting it on Cybie's rockets too, but I think it would just get confusing. The main goal is a nice-looking way of heling the player gauge the actual radius of their attack, both to avoid ending up in it and be able to utilize it better.

>>9208963
Yeah, one slot is gonna be the gauss pistol and the alchemy flasks. The other slot will be the synthesizer pistol and his whip.
That synthesizer pistol I think is still gonna be the most interesting thing about the little shit, seeing as it'll behave like Cave Story's Nemesis: As it builds up meter from shooting bad guys, it'll perform worse as a weapon, but then you cash the charge in for better and better goodies.

>>9208973
>heling
helping*
I'm also probably going to allow the ring speed to be adjusted independently of the puff effect thing, so you can have a single "snappy" explosion with the slower rings or a more sustained "meaty" one with the fast rings. Just working out how to do it in a way that isn't awful.

"width_ratio" is kind of a bad descriptor for this so I changed it to "speed_variance" after recording, but basically these two settings will allow people to have sliders that let them make these rings do basically anything, even to the point of leaving lingering particles for a few seconds as the slowest bits crawl to their maximum radius and fade.
I may have to look into how to make buttons for presets to help with this, or just axe the idea and go back to two types.

>>9208995
That randomized explosive ring effect looks super cool!

Hopefully this is legible or I made a joke for nothing.
>>9209008
I am now officially, actively encouraging people to steal this from me either when I release the ZS version or through the ACS knockoff here >>9207356. It's not even a hard effect to make and it can easily be customized to fit whatever someone wants it to fit.

>>9207609
Throwing in some particles for visuals works for Quake, therefore it works for Doom.

Only sociopaths.

>>9207831
walpurgis makes the mage feel REAL cool with the fire ice lightning and wind/force magics

>>9208965
its something i find infinitely annoying that the most beautiful and architectural maps are all slaughter-wads

>>9209181
I don't like the way Lighting is implemented all that much, but Gravity, Fire and specially Ice magic is super fun in that mod.

>>9209181
Also makes it feel off somehow compared to something like Wrath of Cronos.

Now this looks like a proper sprite project that isnt deviant art levels of shit and is keeping the damn source intact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1r1MN6tG38

>>9209195
Wrath of Cronos feels more like Diablo, Walpurgis feels more like Gauntlet Legends.

>>9209215
It's still very ugly, unfortunately.

>>9209215
It's got a consistent style, which is something which most HD projects do not, but on the other hand everything looks just really awkwardly smooth and evenly lit, and retaining the original frame count makes the animation look cheap.
It's clearly a work in progress, since many sprites aren't done, and probably something like normalmapping could work to help with the otherwise flat lighting, but I can't say that it looks particularly appealing to me.

>>9207842
>In conclusion, single player games have little replayability.
the fact that you have to make a case for it proves how subjective this is. you're in a thread where people provide solo content for 30 year old games that we keep playing solo.
now go see the server population of said games in comparison.
competition is a totally different experience where gameplay variety is reduced to a bare minimum and where the player becomes a nervous edgelord.

>>9207842
nigger i would take a dump down your throat in quake 3 and there is nothing wrong with SP games, i've spent more time playing some SP titles than multiplayer

>>9209215

>>9208995
the slow one kek

How do you guys start making levels? I wanna make a level pack but I'm a newfag to making mods so I'm kinda stuck on coming up what to actually put in the levels. Specifically, I'm lacking ideas of what to put in for encounters and rooms. What do you guys do when you start making a level?

>>9209215
damn this is actually fucking with me
everything's popping out of my screen like i'm watching a mid-2000s 3D movie with those red & blue paper glasses
i wonder how it looks when you're running at max speed on a slaughter map with 6 trillion enemies and projectiles

>>9204701
alright, my mind is fucking blown. i'm not a mandella fag or anything, but the candelabras in DOOM had white candles. gold metal, white candles, yellow flames. then one day I tried the PSX version and I distinctly remember thinking, "wow this is weird, why did they bother making the candles black in this version?', and now apparently the candles have always been black. what the fuck?

>>9209315
This is a "Meaty Leisurely Brosnan" setting, which is to say Meaty impact, slowest speed, fattest ring dispersion. This will be available in the final release, if someone actually wants it.

>>9209348
this is turning into some brutal doom shit bro

>>9209348
I could also rename Brosnan to T H I C C but I'm not sure, I like my reference better.
>>9209350
It's literally just config settings to make stuff look different if you're as autistic as me. The default setting is just normal shit.

>>9209334
I draw a box.

>>9209350
No it isn't.