/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
AD MORTEM PHASE 2
Submissions due Oct 12th
>>9194259

94 PROTONS OF /vr/
See picture below for details
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===
[8-18] Threewave Capture the Flag and Rubicon 2 added to Quake remaster
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2310/announcements/detail/3337750462906016220
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1560297992841732096

[8-18] Various id games on PC Game Pass
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1560305065683865600

[8-18] Trailer for Chasm: The Rift, confirmed to be on GOG and Steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPqHQpiq1A

[8-18] Revolution added to DOOM 2, also interview.
https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/article/6BZ4kXCNDikWq0C4gBtyRy/nods-to-mods-interview-revolution

[8-17] GOG versions of Doom now offer re-release ports
https://twitter.com/GOGcom/status/1559903276094656513

[8-17] Voxel Doom is out
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-voxel-project/addons/voxel-doom

[8-12] The guidelines for the Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1558056148795887618

[8-12] Quakespasm-Spiked has been updated
https://fte.triptohell.info/moodles/qss/

[8-11] Circadian Offset released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/circadian-offset-full-release/news/circadian-offset-full-release

[8-10] Various id games and their expansions are being merged into one install package on Steam
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2280/announcements/detail/3370400926531461244

[8-8]Coppertone Summer Jam 2 for Quake released(Copper for Quake required)
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/coppertone-summer-jam-2.103/

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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94 PROTONS OF /vr/
>94 PROTONS OF /vr/
94 PROTONS OF /vr/
>94 PROTONS OF /vr/

What direction would you prefer for a hypothetical Quake reboot? Go back to 1, commit to 2 and on, or some combination of everything?

>>9198674
Stroggos is what became of Ranger's Earth.

>>9198674
Discard the fucking Strogg completely. Doom has enough bio-mechanical stuff.

Go back to the lovecraftian alternate dimensions.

>>9198674
Stroggs already had their time in the limelight with Quake 4, a Quake reboot should be like the first game and lean more heavily to the Lovecraftian influences and Romero's original vision for Quake.

Hey i was wondering if you guys could not use all caps when making these threads, I'm autistic and seeing them registers to me as shouting which makes me a bit uncomfortable, thank you.

>>9198674
Quake Champions established that Ranger never made it back home and continued to aimlessly wander Lovecraftian realms as his sanity dwindle, it's like the polar opposite direction the Doom reboots took. I'd play a game about it.

>>9198686
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>9198686
https://youtu.be/yE7hGMMIyfE

>>9198638
Reminder that dew is a sex pest

So testing of the new spread pattern adjustment is going... well.
I had a thing coded up to kill the side projectiles if the middle one hits anything, but I don't really know if it's strictly necessary. Might have to do the whole "Run all the IWADs in a row" thing again to test the balance. I was also thinking of making the revenant homing missiles eventually lose their 3D tracking and revert to 2D (vanilla) so they're not as insanely effective at following you half a minute after you kill their firer. That idea may or may not have been because of salt when I got exploded by a revenant rocket after literally walking through two doors and up a fight of stairs.

>>9198724
Reminder that importing forum drama is dumb and gay especially if you don't provide a source. Go away.

>>9198120
>>9198613
You should post these links together with the IP next week:
https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/tag/v1.3
https://kart.moe/moe-mansion/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q5oU5Lsy5PQHonDekMo2ThVvGgT1AkfYSFj-D1ac1iM/edit#heading=h.amwo5n1h1rlk

These are some quality of life mods that don't change gameplay and you should use if you can get them working:
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/hitfeed-kl_hitfeed_v2-2-pk3.2399/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/driftboost-gauge.2341/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/nametags.3055/

For gameplay mods, I recommend these if you want to use any:
https://mb.srb2.org/threads/1-5-kartmp-a-hot-take-on-kart-balance.28021/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/juicebox.2691/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/kart-slipstream-drafting.2361/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/jugs-speed-utilities-aka-boost-queueing-additive-mini-turbos.2553/
I think some need configuring, so you'd need to test them.

As for maps and characters, there's a buttload of them. You can go on the forums and see if maps packs look interesting, and you could start choosing some characters to fill out the roster. You could ask who people want to be added.
https://mb.srb2.org/forums/kart-maps.17/
https://mb.srb2.org/forums/kart-characters.16/

I'm not sure how exactly to start a dedicated server or how you're doing it, but I think you need to make a bat file with the mods you want to load. There should be a guide on the forums. If you choose to use any mods, you should upload them to MEGA or somewhere and post the link so that people can get them faster before joining. You should also consider running it at "hard" speed, and turning the shrink item off for stability.
I also suggest everyone interested to have a look at the game and read the guide, so you don't jump in completely blind...

>>9198638
I wonder why the WAD Archive got shut down overall? What led to such an event?

Any good Doom 93 (not Doom 2) DM wads?

>>9198783
He lost interest, https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130650-closing-wad-archive/

>>9198783
Dude stopped giving a fuck, it was a pretty thankless task despite having literally saved several mods from oblivion.

>>9198638
>>9198640
94 Protons Of /vr/
For those interested, go for broke! From August 11th to September 12th

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.9.6 (now works in Woof)
>PROTDECO16 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD
>A collection of MIDIs for mappers to use.
Please stake a claim on a MIDI you've settled on so that we don't get doubles, also, you are not restricted to the MIDIs in the folder, feel free to use one you sourced/made yourself.
If the assets update, I'll reply to this post stating so.

Special slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Claimed (?)
>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
Are you interested in making an E2 boss level, do you have anything special in mind, or would you be ok with a modified Icon Of Sin battle?

>Optional Hunted style map: Unclaimed
We could have up to two of these if there's the interest for it. Feel free to be playful with the concept of an Arch-Vile labyrinth.

>Optional Dead Simple map: Finished
>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
One suggestion for a larger city level was that we all take turns designing parts for it. How would we best go about this?

>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
Multiple ideas has been suggested. One cool idea was to use an existing /vr/ map as a base and slaughterifying it, is anyone interested in this, and do they have further suggestions for a suitable candidate? Someone else suggested another approach, mind that we could have two secret slaughter maps if we wanted to.

Current Submissions: 17 Maps!

To Do:
>M_DOOM (something styled after Plutonium in the periodic table)
>ENDOOM
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000
>Possibly rework the Death Exit effects somehow

Reply to this post with submissions or questions.

>>9198674
id prefer love-craft, but i really need to give quake 2 another chance (and eventually play 4).

my only huge worry is no matter what the reboot is, someone will complain and hate it,the opinion on nu-DOOM here is split at best, so doing that to quake may be quite annoying whether i (or anyone else here) like the reboot or not.

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2022 PROJECT SURVEY

This survey is intended for those intending to make a map for the project:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8nOOeHPKH81yJVmufHRogcSz0o9U3rEsswmAo4je0euOiVw/viewform

I have a couple issues to track down so I haven't updated the progs yet, but the development folder can be found here: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ

I'll let this go until next sunday then consider it final. You can of course start mapping as soon as you like.

>>9198638
What's a good Doom .WAD for someone that doesn't like Doom?
>hardmode no hideous destructor or hdoom

I also rewrote the imp recently because his code was shit, and to test that he acts the same I bullied many, many imps.
He acts pretty much the same. The bullying was entirely pointless.

On a side note, man I have my doubts that some of the people who made "Doom 2 the way we remember it" ever even played the levels in question. That or they all have alzheimers, like holy shit. Maybe they just played it up for gags or something, but damn, this isn't even close.

>>9198674
The worlds of Quake 1 and 3 are really just simulations created by the Strogg as a means to contain humans. I feel like this was hinted by the presence of Quake 2 computers in, ahem, Dimension of the Machine.

>>9198908
It can't be worse than the Doom 1 project's E1M7 with a Cyberdemon.

>>9198785
>>9198790
cool pics

>>9198908
A lot of those mappers are 100% full of shit. Either they are exaggerating or sight-tracing with purposeful deviations. This CP series in particular is some eceleb-baiting faggotry.

>>9198902
align your fucking textures.

>>9198902
>please centaurs autism
>custom movement done
>sorry zscript alot
>babel making least wanted
>mod gameplay
>combat better ai
>kinda enough playing enemies
>sound always makes gameplay bad
>super power wrong character
>interested without romero
>pain properly happy
>wad variety retarded
>higher shame chance
>gonna finish considering twitter

I nearly just threw up in disgust

>>9198967
Fuckin' lmao.

>>9198967
I don't have a doom reaction image appropriate enough to visualize my disgust for this.

>>9198902
>retarded release fucked
>found feels
>man ammo
>general cacodemons

>may Gog effects

>>9198893
I know that you're likely shitposting but I really hate this meme. I like vanilla Doom just as much as you, and I also like mods that are not at all like Vanilla Doom. These things are not incompatible

>>9198967
Same at that statusbar + border scaling combo

>>9198986
I always appreciate new soundposts

>>9198997
Only so many ways to scale 3200x1800 :^^^)

>>9198998
but there's no sound

what's the best 00's fps?

>>9198998
>>9198986
If there's a gag order on this please do not reply and I will interpret that as an answer, but what's the current risk in posting these? Or is the risk only talking about them?

where can I find a whole library of Half Life maps? planetphillip use to have this but it has jackshit nowadays.

>>9199024
Quake 3 by a longshot of you count 2000 itself. barring that, Timesplitters 2

>>9199040
There's no risk in posting them, the janny here is pretty active, if he had a problem with these kinds of posts then he would've nuked them long ago. I guess it would start being a problem if someone posted a screamer or whatever.

>>9199051
i want to go back to the 2000's-2010's internet so bad...

>>9198986
>man ammo
Finally the cum orb has it's use.

>>9199024
my favorite would likely be FEAR or halo 2/3.
HL2 is close, but im not sure if its totally up there, and games like serious sam and metroid prime have failed to keep me in (though i should beat at least the og painkiller and RCTW, they're pretty good, even if flawed), though that may change. (took me awhile to like halo)

need to try stuff like timesplitters (though idk how well gyro aim or mouse would work), quake 4 (if i like quake 2 again and like it) and maybe prey.

>>9198738
I don't know what's going on with the spread here versus the current version but it looks cool.

>>9199106
They only go apart a bit then stop. It's kind of a sidegrade, not sure if I'm gonna keep it. Essentially it's so that the 3-shot the cacos have doesn't end up covering way more ground than intended when they're far away.

>>9199112
>then stop
Realized this is a bad description. Then go straight, or something. Brain tired, words hard. See webm.

>>9199112
Oh I get ya! I was looking at the shotty or chaingun spread lol. Yeah, the cacos current 3-shot fucks me up so many times from distance...

>>9199024
Metroid Prime

>>9199124
The only problem is that the current version is actually more dodgeable in hallways, whereas the corrected one is less so under most cases. It's probably not that big of an issue but I'm testing it either way.

>>9199024
Battlefield 1942 or CoD4 multiplayer.
Those are the shooters I had the most fun with that decade strictly speaking multiplayer.

>>9199195
It's always extremely jarring to remember that everything up to CoD4 and Crysis belongs in /vr/

>>9198882
only says that the email would be hidden after you sign in. did you actually mean to have it require login?

>>9198808
>>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
>Are you interested in making an E2 boss level, do you have anything special in mind, or would you be ok with a modified Icon Of Sin battle?
I would be fine with a modified IoS, since no one, including myself, has come up with a unique boss for the E2 boss level. However, if the wad were to continue from this point, how would the death exit be handled?

ADVENTURES OF SQUARE IS SO GOOD
I cant stop replaying E1A7

>>9199024
Halo CE, stellar campaign and multiplayer

>>9199205
Oh, sorry about that. Shouldn't require login now.

>>9198998
>>9199023
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/402682-4chan-sounds-player

You need something like Greasemonkey to use it though.

>every doom sprite on the spriter's resource is now marked nsfw
what the hell? I guess because of gory elements

>>9199232
Thinking of doing soundpost sundays to encourage new shit to be made, but maybe only every third or fourth sunday to not annoy other posters.

>>9199258
Considering the Lost Soul isn't, I think you're right about the reason.

>>9199270
What about the pain elemental? They just blow up.

>>9199202
1942 was
>Release date
>Microsoft Windows
>NASeptember 10, 2002
CoD 4 was 2007 of course so that should be somewhat of a shocker for it being so long ago..it's been 15 years(14 counting W@W) since CoD lost its dedicated servers and modding capabilities.

>>9199276
you know why

>>9199294

Looking back through 2000s FPS releases and man console exclusives were kinda running things that decade huh. Feels weird sandwhiched between the genesis of the genre centered mostly around PC and modern times where AAA shooters come out on everything but the retro revival in the indie scene still keeps things PC focused.

>>9198738
this looks good.

>>9199316
to an extent, but stuff like HL2 and FEAR still had a PC focus in the early 2000s.
id say it got alot more awkward after halo3 and cod4 where there really where little real PC shooters until after 2016, and still most are indie.

I added MAP20 to my WIP wad project. Now I have full second episode.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-wip-megawad-for-doom-2-episode-2-progress-1011-latest-map-map20-update-210822/

As usual, complevel 2, difficulty implemented by slashing monster count proportionately.

>>9199357
i like the style of map 20

Vague Voices = Nepal Monastery > Drums and Riffs > Klaxon Beat

Can someone give me a quick rundown on Blood Fresh Supply? I heard that Atari are actually preventing it from being updated anymore. Also did anyone else pre order pic related?

>>9199425
use Raze instead, fresh supply is inaccurate and messes some stuff in the gameplay. i assume fresh supply's game files work with it?

>>9199425
i wish i could just buy the action figure. the collector edition seems sold out anyway.
even better if neca could do a cultist figure like the clothed stuff they do

>>9198967
>He has never seen a negative light in his life
ngmi

>>9199438
since we were talking about Blood
and about negative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD5No_JRrZw

>>9199435
In a prefect world Resaurus would have never gone out of business, and they would have given us a Caleb figure. The figure was what made me pull the trigger, but the mousepad seems interesting and keychains are neat. I just really love Blood, almost as much as Duke.

>>9198941
Is that doomworld.txt?

>>9199442
i forgot pic existed. 90's action figures ftw.

>>9198674
I really like Quake 4's art direction, atmosphere, and presentation of the Strogg. It actually made them seem like an everpresent, superhuman danger, rather than pushover retards with rubber bullets like in their debut. I like it so much that, despite wanting Quake to return to its roots, I don't want the grim tech-horror to go away either.

I'd say the best option would be to treat it like Wolfenstein, with the Strogg as the "big bad" looking for every crushing advantage possible against human resistance, both through their own technological superiority, and dabbling in the paranormal (via slipgates).

Maybe they fuck up and the Quake 1 monsters start usurping/overshadowing/destroying them too relatively early on, leading to an interesting juxtaposition of cosmic horrors rampaging through techbases, as well as Strogg raiding Quake 1-style castles and shit. Some infighting here and there, but both factions want you dead most and work together to that end.

>>9199470
yeah strogg could maybe try to harness eldritch entities's powers

>>9199470
>first half of the game is Strogg techbases
>in the middle of the game there's a Halo 1 style twist with Strogg's opening a portal unleashing Quake 1 monsters and zombies

>>9198351
doom lore was mainly made to bait clickbait youtubers and cover up the fact that what led to the doomslayer isn't even the comic, but 4chan memes and doom fans literally seething over master chief being the more popular green fps marine and beating doomguy in a screwattack video
it's why people dislike tag2 so much because it's like a reminder that "doom is not that epic, sorry"
but honestly, the problem with "doom story" isn't even that one quote by john carmack he partially agrees with, that most people got out of a 2012 didyouknowgaming video
it's that there's 2 better ways to look at doom's setting:
>one is the way that "doom could be a lot of things" and there's no main story, hence the spin-offs and doom 3 being different iterations and even how most people perceive doom or get creative with a surprisingly versatile yet small series
>the other is being super autistic over what doom really is, so you overanalyze wall textures, make realm667 assets that fit the aesthetic, look up the actual games manuals and phone games to see what's official, how sprites were made etc
doom 2016 and eternal took an awkward middleground where they change so much about the series but "officialize" it enough that the doomslayer is the original doomguy
they're also inspired by certain memes and outsider factors related to doom, so that feels like an excuse

>>9199493
I'm surprised people even give a shit about the story in any Doom related game, I like Eternal but I just skipped all cutscenes so I don't even really know what is the plot, the gameplay is fun.

>>9198674
Some combination of everything with original Quake being the priority. Champions's lore stuff kind of moved in that direction and it can be pretty great, but it's all the execution. And you can easily fail on that front, especially nowadays with current shitty trends in story/lore side of things.
As for the gameplay, mix of original Quake and... both Hexen games. More focus on puzzle and at least some melee combat.
>>9199425
Reportedly, nu-Atari just wasn't interested in Nightdive pushing any more updates. But this version is somewhat okay to play, at the very least for the first time around.

>>9199497
>I'm surprised people even give a shit about the story in any Doom related game
It seems to be a spreading disease, not just among Doom games.
Storyfags are truly the worst, especially if they couldn't tell a bad from a good story to save their lives.
GTA5's story was absolute fucking bullshit, yet the whole game was built around it, which made it an absolute chore to play through, especially when you have bullshit like "do the dumbass yoga minigame" or "literally just walk into this store to 'buy masks'" as actual missions on the mission counter.
Hotline Miami 2 just focused on the story and slapped some gameplay on the finished thing.
Hitman Absolution was primarily story-driven and it's the worst Hitman game.
Skyrim, I don't even remember what it was about, because it sucked to much.

>>9199493
Why did you bring this to this thread?

Yet another concept for the berserk, this time it's actual COCAINUM.
Thinking about making it bigger.

Mjolnerd in QC:DE when

>>9199470
>I'd say the best option would be to treat it like Wolfenstein, with the Strogg as the "big bad" looking for every crushing advantage possible against human resistance, both through their own technological superiority, and dabbling in the paranormal (via slipgates).
Thanks QC.

I don't think there really is any Doom wad better than Plutonia. I don't believe in it.

>>9199596
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>9199497
it's either how games want to be movies or "lore nerds"
doom's setting doesn't even need consistency or logic, just something that does "sound cool" and let players skip cutscenes and segments for a reply or something
the only rule is making sure it's still about killing hell demons and not replacing them with aliens like the novels or first movie
i think the bigger problem is how eternal wanted to be 90's or 80's but it still carried modern aesthetic trends, even if comparisons to 343/darksiders are easy
>>9199519
just because i saw it on previous thread and in case the thread would die
>>9198674
almost what wasn't done in modern doom yet
a focus on level design and exploration
i can see a horror aspect being the way to go

>>9199470
How about you start in human-occupied slip gate dimension, then move to strong half and then find out who built all the gothic ruins you both squatted in?

>>9199596
Plutonia 2 is better

>>9199515
>Storyfags are truly the worst
not only but i wish games would just shut up and let us make up our own stories...

>>9199435
If you want authenticity, the axe zombie (and by extension the cultist) were created using a Power Rangers figure, painted brown and with the head swapped out for one made of clay

>>9198640
Is there a test map for Ad Mortem containing all of the newly added Things? Or at least a list of them with their id numbers?

>>9199675
https://files.catbox.moe/nwdgyr.wad
There was this one from last year, but it only has monsters.

>>9199212
I'm assuming you're the same guy who spoke up about them before. I've been mulling over that post for a while, considering the position, but I don't really see an issue.

It isn't balanced for continuous, it plain just enforces Pistol Starting if you go through a death exit, a normal exit just lets you carry over stuff, like normally, which conventionally makes the game easier overall as it lets you keep your weapons, backpack, and your remaining supplies. Looking at the original Plutonia, it definitely is easier when you carry over all your stuff all the time, and harder when you do it Pistol Start.

Perhaps the idea is slightly halfbaked, but I'm unconvinced that it will be a problem or hurt the quality of the maps. I'd be willing to hear further reasoning though.

>>9199024
ut2004

>>9199675
If you load the resources when making your map you get those numbers displayed when choosing the repsective thing.
Also, I think the Doomwiki page has them on the discussion section.

>>9199554
this literally looks like lower leg in a boot standing on a bone of the upper leg that's been stripped of muscle

>>9199316
>Looking back through 2000s FPS releases and man console exclusives were kinda running things that decade huh.
Not as blatantly in the early 2000s, but absolutely by the end of it. I’d say the big turning point happened once the 360 and Xbox Live really kicked off, as well as MS purposefully shitting up the PC experience with mandatory “Games for Windows Live” nonsense.

>>9199258
That's probably why, and I can see their reasoning in how Doom's gore is actually rather graphic and detailed. It may seem quaint to us who have played the game for decades, but you're looking at detailed evisceration, dismemberment, flaying, impalement, entire bodies exploding, hollowed out brain cavities and loose brains with their stem still hanging on, etc, in addition to lots of flowing blood and stray strips of flesh.

Few popular games before and after Doom of this era are actually as graphically violent. Games like Duke, Blood, Half-Life, they, they aren't slouching, they have pretty graphic gore but also sacrifice a lot of detailed gore animations for doing gibs with multiple individual graphics, which while very lively and satisfying, doesn't show the gore in as fine detail. There's nothing like seeing a torso split open as entrails spew out and a severed spinal column protrudes, there's no brain sliced open, there's nothing like a body collapsing and the skin sliding off of the skeleton as the eyeballs drop out of the eyesockets, hanging in place. Not to talk about animations like these being run in reverse for resurrections, and then doing them again.

Many later games have more technically advanced gore, but Doom's animations and decorations aren't met up by much from this era of videogames. The Splatterhouse series gets close, but it's all hand drawn, compared to how many of Doom's creatures are digitized models which retain a realistic looking sheen to their skin and cybernetics.

Doom is a very gory game inspired by horror movie gore and splatter, and I think the blood and guts is one of its strong aesthetic qualities.

>>9199425
> Atari are actually preventing it from being updated anymore
Not to defend whoever exists under Atari brand this day, but this is incorrect. Atari don't have rights to the Blood franchise. It belongs to Warner Bros movie studio. Atari owns the original release of Blood though, so they made a trick advertising Fresh Supply as original Blood with necessary purely technicap changes that allow it to run on modern OS. This already is a pretty thin legal ice and an obvious point of interest to WB lawyers. So Atari just cannot do anything useful with Blood without risking, so they decided not to.

>>9199792
Jesus Christ what kind of bone structure do you have anon?

>>9199024
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl

>>9199659
>not only but i wish games would just shut up and let us make up our own stories...
It depends on how exactly you want that and what kind of genre
Some games are the way they are because of their stories, whether or not it has to affect the gameplay
But in a sandbox game, the devs still simply give you freedom and not care about how it clashes with the main missions or something
>>9199258
Pretty sure it's because this site is mainly about Nintendo games and stuff like that

>>9199843
based

>>9199675
>>9199781
Doomwiki does have a list, but it's missing some things so it's better to look at them in Doombuilder.

>>9199845
it doesn't need to be a sandbox game to avoid storytelling.
an fps does not need to say why the character is here or even his name. many won't even watch the intro/cinematics and almost no one read the manuals back then... Doom 2016 and Eternal would have done pretty well without the codex entries or even the audio logs or whatever they were called.
i can tell you the best part of the game for lore fags was not what they read/listened but the speculation. it's what they live for but when the actual thing drops they almost always end up disappointed because well their imagination>>>>>actual lore.

>>9199554
>>9199840
kek

What are some good wads to play co-op with?
I wanna play some Doom with my bro.

Say something nice about Jobrauder

>>9199781
>>9199862
Not in my editor :^)
I've been doing my Protons maps by manually entering thing numbers from the test map.
Anyway I made my own test room.

>>9199940
Damn, really?
Guess I'll set up a pastebin with all that stuff.

>>9199936
I don’t know, that’s getting a bit too ‘not retro’ for me. I’d rather talk about Hexen’s centaurs: They’re kind of a buzzkill if you’re out of green flasks.

>>9199940
Are you using something that is not udb?

>>9199928
Ribbiks maps are all co-op compatible with no softlocks if you're into that shit

>>9199936
he was in metadoom

>>9199965
I like the quirk that Mage's ice spell has to counteract their block, by still dealing damage if you use it in melee range. I wish there were more of such details to the combat.

Does anybody have a suggestion for the base? I am rather content with the mounting and the frame (three pixels don't give much room for shading), but the base has this dithering pattern I am not really satisfied with, but I also have no idea how else to shade it.

>>9199981
I haven’t Maged in Hexen in awhile, but don’t frozen enemies need to be shattered manually? It’s still a fun weapon to use, he’s got cool hands.

>>9199967
Eureka, mostly because it runs natively on linux

>>9199981
Cleric has the serpent staff life steal as it's melee gimmick.

>>9199981
Mage's ice spell melee attack does not void invuln, centaurs literally go invulnerable to all damage when their shield is up after being painchance'd but their animation delay allows them to get stunlocked by certain things, it just deals a fuckload more damage than the ice shotgun shards, enough to instakill them.

>>9198882
I voted for january 31 so it doesn't overlap with xmas jam

>>9198674
If I were 14 years old again my dream would be a return to the original gritty Lovecraft/DND/heavy metal music video melting pot Quake 1 atmosphere, but realistically if they did that today they'd just find some way to fuck it up and disappoint me. You can't ever go back.

I'm definitely tired of the Strogg shit though. Quake 2 was cool as its own thing, but 4 and that ET spinoff game sucked ass. I have no interest whatsoever in returning to that dead horse.

>>9198674
I love Quake 2, but they've already done Strogg plenty, I'd love to see the Quake 1 stuff explored again, it's weird and fucky in a distinct way from the other games.
>dank dungeons with rough and dirty brown brick and mortar
>metal trims, supports, elevators, grates, all crusty and rusty, giving you tetanus just from looking at them
>earthen caves and tunnels, cold and muddy waters
>strange pale blue brickwork halls, colorful (but not too saturated) stained glass windows
>libraries of forbidden knowledge
>elaborate deathtraps, arcane devices
>ornate stonework and decorations, mystic runes and grotesque gargoyles
>castles, crypts, churches, catacombs
>profane altars, human sacrifice
>monsters, not too numerous, but making up for it with being vicious and terrifying
>undead, requiring disassembly to truly defeat
>clunky and unconventional weapons

I'd be afraid of where nu-iD would take it though. Things like these I think would ruin it:
>MCU style multiverse crossover bullshit, only Redditors want to cross over everything
>turning it into some sort of Painkiller/Serious Sam game
>relying on special melee finishers for everything
>lack of incidental combat during exploration
>lack of exploration in general
>monologuing for some exposition or reaction, a little bit would be fine, but I could easily see it becoming too much
>too much of a single narrative in general, it'd be better for Ranger to just move from one world to the next, and whatever goes on in one dimension (if you even get to learn or understand much of it) probably has little bearing on another
>overdesigning the weapons, like tacking on every single doodad and greebling they can think of just for the hell of it, rather than showing any kind of restraint and streamlining the design, only advanced stuff like the Thunderbolt should get to have busy detail, and then only on some parts
>same for monster design, making shit look like Darksiders/nuBlizzard would be fucking cancer

>>9199825
>Not to defend whoever exists under Atari brand this day, but this is incorrect. Atari don't have rights to the Blood franchise.
Nu-Atari (a.k.a. Infogrames) has distribution rights for both Blood games while Warner Bros owns the IP since Monolith is under them. Nu-Atari can do whatever they want with those, but something totaly new can be done only with Warner Bros' blessing.
>>9199936
He's alright.
>>9199965
I enjoy watching them choking in fléchette cloud. And punching Centaurs to death with Cleric's mace.

>>9200129
I think there's worthwhile things to do to change up the gameplay, like having a Doom style Berserk powerup for the Axe, or making the Axe a quick command rather than a separate weapon, just to make the Axe not completely useless as a weapon. Possibly the axe could be used to gradually dismember zombies in case you don't have the ordnance or Quad Damage to blow them to smithereens.

At any rate, it shouldn't stray from exploring tetanus ridden medieval gothic dungeons and tombs in inhospitable dimensions, there should be a lot of earth colors, divided up with some more varied colors, often muted in saturation, but not always. Some places would be dark and wet, others would be brighter.
Puzzles and bossfights would be ok.

>>9199940
>>9200018
Well, Linuxfags do love doing things the manual way for no reason.

>>9198674
I think they have a pretty good idea of what Quake “should be” with their recent remaster and greenlighting of various map packs. It all depends on what their beancounters dictate.
>>9199470
>I really like Quake 4's art direction, atmosphere, and presentation of the Strogg.
They seemed sillier in 4 based on what I’ve played. All the guards in 2 have appropriately armored torsos, but the ones they initially throw at you in 4 are fully exposed except for the back for some reason.

>>9199554
>>9199792
I thought it was a bone with a leg too

>>9200129
Good post, just about sums up how I feel about most of it.

Quake 1's original map design was mindblowing to me and my friends, we ate slept lived and breathed it. Deathmatch from sunup to way past sundown. Although I actually kind of hated playing DM2 (it was one of the most "difficult" maps to play, as a deathmatch map), there was something amazing about Claustrophobopolis. We used to talk about some crazy dream of seeing it constructed in real life, with the moving platforms and everything.

I am fully done with Strogg shit, I don't need any more of it. Quake 2 was fine. Strogg are boring. Please, no more of that. Give me that Quake 1 brown mortar and brick, Evil Dead chainsaws and axes and boomsticks and ogres and pineapples.

>>9199989
You could try adding rust, only idea I have.

>>9200203

Whenever people talked about a new Quake game I didn't even automatically think of strogg. Who even gives a shit about games after Q2, ID was on a ramp to make fucking Rage of all things.

I wanted the lovecraftian atmosphere of the first game. Techbases and a slow descent into madness.

>>9200129
making quake 5 like painkiller or serious sam (and doing it right) would elevate the series to new heights you fucking imbecile

>large scale battles with less bullet spongey enemies
>rapid or instant snappy weapon switching + the capacity to fire off a shot from a weapon at the push of a button
>a solid core weapon roster with responsive well balanced alt-fires
>quake 1/cpma airstrafe and bhop
>enemies that are an actual threat, tailored to require mastery of your movement system and target prioritization
it'd be the perfect game. sam is too slow and painkiller's enemies are pushovers, but if you combined their philosophies with quake's movement gimmicks and visual direction and executed it in a unique way, what's there to complain about? nothing. you're just a shitter that doesn't want raw gameplay.

>>9200215
No it fucking wouldn't, in the same way that turning Serious Sam into Quake 1 wouldn't make any goddamn sense.

>>9200215
To be fair, if you had too many movement options in a serious sam game then it would no longer a serious sam game. Now that's not to say whatever kind of game resulting from those changes would be bad, but it would severely detract from the whole point of serious sam where enemy management is key because you cannot outrun them.

>>9200229
of course, because that'd be a downgrade
>>9200230
no shit?
in a perfect world the enemy behaviors would be fine-tuned to match the new advanced movement

>>9200230
The other big thing would be any “new, advanced” movement can only have a skill ceiling so high due to gamepad superiority with only so many buttons. At most I can see more of an emphasis on managing movement ability cooldowns.

>>9200350
consoles can use keyboard and mouse now too
there's no excuse for dumbing things down

>>9198674
I like the aesthetic of different civilizations building on top of one another, so I'd like to have colonies in another dimension. Modern or sci-fi looking bases built next to or inside gothic wizard ruins. Then gothic wizards return and kill everyone. Maybe mix stroggs and their no respect for OSHA nightmare factories in the next gothic wizard ruin and see them slaughtered by wizards half way though.

>>9200373
>there's no excuse for dumbing things down
Well, your current hurdle is Hugo himself. In response to Eternal still presently not having mouse and keyboard support, he flatly stated “consoles are for gamepads, pcs are for mouse and keyboard”. Can’t make the gamepadders feel bad.
All while the classics on consoles support m&kb. Is that fucked or what?

Just found out the author of Goroth made second boss monster for Q1 - Volkerh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiW91LIgoOk
God damn I need proper maps with those, one for E2 and another for E3. Then the original Quake campaign will be 10/10.

>>9200396
I don't know what he's thinking, I'm sure they would get more people buying the game on the consoles if they just added mouse and keyboard support. I wish all consoles would have picked up on universal mouse and keyboard for FPS games back when Dreamcast tried to do it.

some probably not very interesting news from /v/, the prolific repacker "fitgirl" released a doom pack the other day.
https://fitgirl-repacks.site/doom-i-and-ii-enhanced/
is it any good? i don't know, i'm just posting it in the doom thread because it's doom.

>>9200421

>>9200419
>I don't know what he's thinking, I'm sure they would get more people buying the game on the consoles if they just added mouse and keyboard support.
I think most console FPS/TPS fans are quite happy with a controller, and I doubt many would be willing to make the switch to a different and perceivably “””nerdier””” control scheme. Gamepad dominance for shooters is here to stay, despite even the PS1 offering mouse support for some of its games.

>>9199024
Good 00s FPS games :
Soldier of Fortune 1 & 2
STALKER : Shadow of Chernobyl
Half Life 2
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Timesplitters : Future Perfect was pretty good

baroness of hell
mancudyke
period elemental

ehrm, how do I test the performance of my quakemap?
every port throws a gorillion fps at me

>>9200421
>1.5 GB for Doom
Is the Unity port that big or what?

>>9200448
test on original hardware

>>9200421
>downloading malware

>>9200421
They were already on GOG Games, so there's no point in this repack.
>is it any good?
Those are re-releases from 2019 and they're great for what they are.
>>9200448
Well, I guess you're testing it now. Sounds good to me perfomance-wise. If you think that your setup is "too good" or something, you should probably look out for another tester.
Also I think it's important to specify what ports you used for testing and what kind of map it's supposed to be (full-on vanilla or something more advanced).
>>9200454
>Is the Unity port that big or what?
Yes. As far as I remember, each re-release by default (no add-ons downloaded) takes around 0.5 GB each.

>>9200463
>Well, I guess you're testing it now. Sounds good to me perfomance-wise. If you think that your setup is "too good" or something, you should probably look out for another tester.
>Also I think it's important to specify what ports you used for testing and what kind of map it's supposed to be (full-on vanilla or something more advanced).
dp, frw, quakespasm, spiked, vk and ironwail (not kex yet)
I'm doing a bsp2 map that will be pretty big, I want to catch the retarded shit I'm doing wrong from early on because it will add up later, I don't know if I'm abusing func_detail_walls, at least now is vising lightning fast but that doesn't mean I'll have more fps in game

>>9200472
>frw = fte

>>9198915
Where is that place that shows those different folks in that pic?

can anyone give me a qrd on what I missed? Also
>rifftrax

>>9200479
It’s part of Q2’s final level, and Timmy was really passive aggressive when making it.

>>9200490
>one hour of DOOM LORE
Impressive. I’ve got nothing to say here for once.
Maybe it just needs to sink in.

Tri-threadly reminder that Daikatana (1.3) is a better Quake 2 than Quake 2, and that John Romero is the most talented man to ever work at id Software.

>>9200438
Why is her dick so small in this?

>>9200490
>Golf With Friends
Could have at least run a Hellshots Golf game.

>>9200537
Because Zan doesn't have a cock you degen futa fetishist.

You guys are playing Doom with THE MOUSE?

>>9200495
>>9200541
Is teh doomguy from doom1 and 2 the same as the one from 3, 64, 4 and rpg?

>>9199825
Infogrames absolutely should not be defended by any means, a shitton of good franchises (AITD and Driver in particular) died to their corporate incompetence and they should be called out every time they're brought up

>>9200546
I played Doom once with a joystick intended for flight simulators. Tilt forward/back or left/right for movement, rotate for, well, rotation. I liked it better than regular gamepad, but of course it was still shit compared to kb&m.

>>9200576
>Infogrames absolutely should not be defended by any means
Jesus, "people" like you are why the internet's full of cancer. Yeah, fuck "facts" and all that dumb objective shit, must hate the big boo boo entity at all costs. Literal twitter sjw logic.

It's like the losers who let Randy live forever rent free in their heads and demonize literally everything he's ever done and accuse him of shit he didn't do / isn't etc.

Food for thought : Why hasn't Civvie or GmanLives made a video on Ashes : 2063 ? You'd think it'd be totally up both of their alleys given how much of a love letter it is to classic fps games and some newer ones too...

>>9200472
>>9200476
Again, you either did nothing wrong or need to get outside input. Either go through the same process on weaker device (if you have one) or ask friends/anons to look into it (if you're okay with sharing your work this early on).

>>9200542
She does according to the Hedon developer's own artwork.

>>9200589
Developer isn't paying for promotion.

>>9200546
Was playing Doom 2 on a Nokia 7610 (it had funny-shaped keyboard) circa 17 years ago. Since then playing all classic FPS exclusively on a gamepad with 2 sticks control. It is just too convenient, even if much less precise than a mouse.

>>9200603
You might be right on the money.

>>9200589
>>9200603
Yeah this is my conspiracy theory, the game is well made and I'd argue it's incredible....but there's no monetary incentive.

Any TCs with a focus on ammo swapping and/or elemental weaknesses?

>>9200589
civvie doesn't do many mods, only that one Blood map pack.

>>9200640
Wrath of Cronos has elemental weaknesses but you can kind of brute force stuff anyway.

>>9199596
there are, keep playing.
>>9199936
not retro, but cool.
>>9200350
they would probably make it DUSK style and just slightly simplify it, or make it so bhopping is easier.
or he could just say "that's how quake is" and make it easier for consoles in other ways (not the the OG control scheme is that hard for modern pads, so they just need restraint when adding more)
>>9200546
started very briefly with keyboard, but now i stick to mouse.

>>9200658
Pretty sure it's got a standalone version for Enriched Edition and Afterglow but it's not like it's on sale on Steam or anything.

Obviously shillmanlives doesn't touch anything unless he's being paid to.

>>9200679
>they would probably make it DUSK style and just slightly simplify it, or make it so bhopping is easier.
Seems like that would be weird for the aim assist with all that bhopping around, but they could also just make the aim assist better. I could imagine them justifying it at a reveal with something like this:
>”the most important part of an FPS is the perspective, not the aiming.”

>>9200350
I can't help but feel a significant barrier when designing/adapting an advanced movement system for console controllers is the insistence on A being the default bind for jump.
If shoulder buttons were standard for jumping in console FPS, a lot more could be done because players wouldn't be taking their hands off their aim stick or being expected to claw grip.

>>9200697
using the bumpers to jump would be more logical than throwing a bunch of AA at it, nu-DOOM is even pretty low on the aim assist for controllers.

>>9200589
Icarus did a vid on It and also Alien Eradication.

>>9198915

>>9200490
>rifftrax
comfy

>>9200546
Honestly it wasn't quite as obvious a transition as it may seem. Way back in the day (like in 94-95, that nigga posting in 99 is way too late), people were still using literal rubber ball mice, sensitivity was so fucking low you'd have to raise off the mousepad like five times just to turn around a corner. Full-on "mouselook" wasn't a thing yet. I remember playing with a friend, we'd both control the game together, I'd take the keyboard and he'd take the mouse, he'd jerk the mouse forward to "ram it home!" when firing the shotgun, it was silly but fun.

I don't think the whole WASD+mouse thing caught on till Quake, and even then it was a viral custom user-based configuration. It wasn't until Starsiege Tribes that I remember WASD controls being built into the game as a default option.

>>9200678
Really not a fan of Hexen, but I'll check it out, thanks.

>>9200823
>sensitivity was so fucking low you'd have to raise off the mousepad like five times just to turn around a corner
You could actually increase it past the game's normal limit by editing a config file, up to 31 or else the game would crash when you go back into the options

>>9200640
It's not a focus but Hedon has elemental damage. Humans crisp up good, while demons resist fire, forge elementals immune to a lot of stuff but melt in acid, casters are vulnerable to mind blasts, while crylance is good against armoured stuff because it's AP, and the frag shot can stun a Cerberus for a critical moment. Those are the ones I can remember offhand. None of this is major but it gives a significant edge in rough fights.

>>9198691
>Ranger never made it back home and continued to aimlessly wander Lovecraftian realms as his sanity dwindles
That sounds cool as fuck!

quake 4 in depth review

+cool movement system
+gun feel good
+gun switch weapon fast
+cool art style and atmosphere
+strong are really strogg on general difficulty they kill you fast but it feels fair
+berzerkers are scary i always felt bad for them in quake 2 im glad they can kill now
+good paced campaign i think nice setpieces nice good nice things really cool feels cool
+i like it more than the other quake with strogg

-you should move at stroggified speed by default but don't and it sucks but you can edit it with console commands so it's okay but annoying
-i think the enemies on general difficulty should die a bit faster
-there are a lot of vehicle sections and they are completely pointless because you can skip 90% of each one but also you can skip 90% of each one and that's fantastic
-the bosses don't do anything
-i don't like reloading my railgun it shouldn't have to reload
-dark matter gun don't recharge when holstered
-sensitivity doesnt scale when zoomed and also the sensitivityityity is weird for vehicles
-some of the radio chatter and music volume isnt normalized and my ears hurt now

overall 7.5/10

Any good space themed wads?
I want to see what kind of architecture and textures people use to "inspire" me so I can use them on picrel

>>9200774
Silent Hill made on film, my favourite too
I frickin hate those dreams of being stuck somewhere, be it empty subways or worse: dark wilderness.

>>9200910
https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/projects-mainmenu-50/104-projects/finished/330-sapphire-orbital-research

>>9200910
Scythe X, Vrack

>>9200448
"r_speeds 1" shows some numbers. they're not super meaningful by themselves, but you can compare to other big maps. I guess the aim would be to not go past ad_sepulcher too much. if you're getting to shib7/shib8 poly counts, you've probably fucked up somewhere. at 45k polys from some points, I consider rastr to be obviously unoptimized, though not critically so.

>>9200910
Levels by burabojunior from JPCP
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/JPCP

i think i am going to release an quick high res version of Oblivion UI, since the Mission pack pcx files have no proper tga versions of its menu, and it gets affected replacers like KMQuake 2 menus, also leave it open as always so anyone can work it from there.

also yamagiQ2 doesn't support custom menus well, and people are calling out at their github page to add priority support due to said KMQ2 menus taking priority because of the TGA output being higher.


>>9200923
saphire never had a sequel

This is, without a doubt, the fastest I have ever updated my HD resprite to support a new addon weapon after its release. I love this thing.
Dammit guys, I still need to do all the Box Cannon and Lotus variants.

>>9200823
>WASD+mouse thing caught on till Quake, and even then it was a viral custom user-based configuration
I consider it a HL/CS thing. maybe there's some proof to the contrary, but my evidence is:
- Oblivion for Q2 (end of 1999) binds D to Detonator
- in Q3Radiant and its descendants A/Z and D/C is look and move up/down, and S to Surface Inspector
if this was obscure enough that modders didn't consider it and nobody pointed it out to them, I doubt it was very widespread

>>9198674
I think continuing the Lovecraft theme is the best way to go. It would be so fucking cool having a fully fleshed out Lovecraft shooter that isn't an indie title, but it has a few pretty major issues to overcome. Monster design and weapon selection would have to be close to the same or very carefully crafted to not pull away from the original atmosphere, Quoth's Lovecraft enemies are an easy to point at example. They fit in on paper, but in practice it doesn't click. It feels like they don't belong. It's such a delicate balance for Quake enemies that being off by a hair could throw the whole thing out of wack (quite ironic considering the rushed development of the game). There's also the fine line being tread with the new wave of "quirky" satanic games. A lot of trust is being put into the developers to not glorify the themes and strip it of everything that made it great. Just look at Doom Eternal, it's practically a kids game. I highly doubt any kids of this generation will be reminiscing on how they felt when they saw a Doom monster for the first time like we did, and the last thing I would want to see happen is Quake become an overbright cartoonish mess. The hardest thing for them to get right is to keep Quake, Quake. It's already apparent through the lineage of games it has a bit of an identity crisis, so if a 1996 reboot was to be done it would have to avoid the trap Doom 4 almost fell into, of being a different game entirely. But if they could pull all these things off, I think it would be one of the best titles in years.

>>9200910
Adventures of Square Episode 2, probably not the aesthetic you are looking for however.

>>9200958
Where I live in a deep Eastern Europe this happened with Quake 2. Nobody used mouse with Doom. Nobody used mouse with Duke, because it is barely working without BMouse. Everybody used mouse with Quake 2 in 98, everybody also ran it on Voodoo 2 with P100 - 133. Perhaps somewhere else it happened with Quake1, but here nobody have a machine to run it until 98/Voodoo2 and at this time Q2 deathmatch was the only Quake people played.

>>9200958
The first time I saw anything similar to WASD was a Quake-playing friend who used the mouse in his left hand, and the numpad to move and strafe.
After I saw how effective that was, I gradually figured out my ESDF-based control scheme that I use to this day.

>>9201002
mouse is one thing, but you'd use it with arrow keys

>>9200931
thanks, that's something

>>9200546
Before I ever held a twin stick gamepad, I thought that it would be perfect for Doom, because you can't look vertically. I'm not sure how that made any sense. Maybe because my first exposure was through a flash version that only had keyboard controls.
Speaking of gamepads, it took until Switch for a few games to use gyro for aiming, even though playstation had six-axis throughout the whole console shooter epoch.

>>9200901
Are there any fixes for the viewmodels so I can play at a high FOV and not see where my arms end?

>>9200923
>>9200930
>>9200936
>>9200964
thanks for all the suggestions anons, checked out sapphire for a bit, holy shit what a pretty map
I'm going to play through most of these and scribble some notes, though I'm definitely not as good as some of these mappers
plus I'm only using base assets, although the protons94 textures do look great for this theme.
Whilst I'm scribbling notes actually, any anons here have cool little mapping tricks they can share?
Even something like a nice way to model a doorway, column, etc. I just want to try and expand my mental library of mapping techniques

>>9199843

>>9200901
I haven't played it since...06 maybe? i gotta again. i liked it but my shitty PC hindered enjoyment a bit.

I seem to recall the part where that big ship comes down to land, lets down it's ramps and you can get in it seamlessly kind of blew me away at the time. just a cool thing i'd never seen before in an FPS, probably remembering it wrong though.

>>9199843
The original concept for STALKER, Oblivion Lost, always reminded me of an even more slavic, military sci-fi Serious Sam.

>>9201107
I'd play the shit out of a Serious Sam where everything was set in The Zone.

>>9200546
no, THE TRACKBALL

>>9201107
OLR 3.0 when

>>9201136
Cleanest building in Eastern Europe.

>>9199871
Anon, you sound exactly like the kind of people i've met in special ed classes and therapy sessions who act like their personal tastes are objectively superior to anyone else's or that one guy who says this like "cartoons don't need writers"
Some of them outgrow this, so it can't be too late for you
>>9200851
If i was Hedonguy, i'd just make a similar yet different enough character instead of outright using the same character that was fetishized
>>9200957
They look good

>>9200910
Lunatic
Valiant's final episode
Mothership.wad
Ancient Aliens

>:^(
What the fuck is this shit graf you god damned feathered biped? There isn't even a sector here. This is just a straight-up rendering bug. I had to interrupt my playthrough just to make sure I wasn't going fucking insane when I saw cacoballs phasing out of existence.
Yes this also happens in vanilla.

>>9199871
>almost no one read the manuals back then
Are you old enough to remember a time before inbuilt tutorials?

>>9198781
>https://mb.srb2.org/addons/kart-slipstream-drafting.2361/
>https://mb.srb2.org/addons/jugs-speed-utilities-aka-boost-queueing-additive-mini-turbos.2553/
Actually use just this one:
https://files.catbox.moe/03tvtj.pk3
Pissstream-v4beta47.pk3, from /v/. It's updated and fixes stuff. Let me know if you want the /v/ version of the other mods too.

>>9201146
>They look good
I'm not taking credit for the sprites, all I do for most weapons is just fit the hands and/or sleeves on them, maybe some minor touch-ups if there's a reflection of bare arms or something else bugs me.
I just did it for this weapon within 24 hours of its addition to Peppergrinder because I loved it so much when I played around with it.

>>9201039
its weird cause gyro would have been perfect for making console FPS alot more like PC FPS.
feels right at home for switch ports of PC fps (or with steam input on PC).
maybe it was just never thought of, or it took nintendo and PC fans fully getting good support for it to be given a real chance.

>>9201164
Isn't just rendering, those fuckers will phase through stuff too sometimes.

>>9201193
At the time you were looking at basic ass ball tilt switches that were at best three states of level, hard left and hard right.

They weren't any better and were prone to fucking up.

>have two weeks of vacation
>want to work on the crayon textures during that time
>spend whole first week doing all kinds of other urgent rl shit
>instead cobble together some shitty drug sprites
If I continue at this pace I probably won't even be finished in a year.

>>9201164
Doublecheck to see that you don't have like, rotations for those sprites or something (present or missing).

>>9201219
>>want to work on the crayon textures during that time
speaking of wish, what happened to that wad made by kids?

>>9201223
No idea, but Magikus-guy was in a thread some time ago, so he's at least still alive.

>>9201221
Man they're plasma balls, they don't have rotations, and this happens in vanilla with rockets/plasma/impballs/bfgballs/etc. Shit's just busted. MAP16 of D2TWWRI on newest GZDoom, you can try it out.

>>9201039
There's something about not having to aim with the Y axis that makes other people think that Doom translates well to a gamepad. It's only because it's so simple that it translates so well, as a basic analog gamepad is similar to playing keyboard only.

>>9201234
They're custom sprites, not the regular plasma ones. Also I have never seen projectiles just disappear midair in vanilla.

>>9201239
https://files.catbox.moe/d5b1mi.WAD
MAP16, test it yourself. I wouldn't have said it worked in vanilla if I hadn't tested it myself.

>>9201239
>>9201248
can confirm, also emptied mod list to be safe

>>9198640
>>9201164
>>9201201
That's funny, because it just came out that our Chickenman stepped out from developing by citing some personal matters, no elaborations given but tone of the message tells it might be permanent. Memes finally got to him, say goodbye to GZDoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=76259
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130991-graf-zahl-leaves-gzdoom-development/

>>9201260
You had me going for about half a second there.

>>9201260
Oh, you!

Hey um.
newtips.pk3 triggers an error upon loading a map with the latest 'stable' version of HD and none of the links in the mod repository are updated for it.

>>9201264
who cares, just open the base pk3, remove the tranny line and continue with your life

>>9201259
Happens at least as far back as GZDoom 3.0.0 too, so either something is mighty fucked in that map or (more likely) GZDoom's renderer is busted for some reason.

>>9201273
They bust a lot of projectile stuff with 3.0 but the arbitrary console access stuff is what they focused on fixing since that was their biggest fuckup ever, and Graf bullied people into updating their mods to it too.

>>9201284
It's even broken in 2.2.0, and that's the oldest one I have. Gonna put it in crispy next lol, maybe it really is a horrible map issue.

>>9200490
>>9200808
RiffTrax is fun but Jesus h. Christ in a chicken basket the music and the narrator are worse than anything in Jackbox.

Oh my fuck, I guess I owe chicken man an apology, it turns out this map is just FUCKED. I don't even know how you could do something like this on purpose, let alone by accident. Fucking OBS won't even record crispy doom but it happens even in crispy.

>>9201264
https://files.catbox.moe/q6zig6.pk3
Here's my personal version, I fixed at least one typo I noticed (minimial inherent spread), removed a tip pertaining to old viles, and included most of the original tips as well (but not that one, obviously.)

>>9201261
If only I was tech-proficient enough to make up a fake page. What are possible repercussions if that was true case though? I can only guess that development will just stall immediately and forevermore, leading to not imminent but steep decline of core Doom playerbase.

>>9201269
No, I actually kinda enjoy the pro tips from that new version. Don't care that much about the tranny propaganda at all.
>>9201308
Thank you!

>>9201306
Wonder what the error is? There's a couple of map errors in Doom and Doom 2, the monsters not waking up when you teleport in at Deimos Labs, that one Shotgunner not seeing you in Underhalls, etc. There's also like one obscure spot in Nirvana where if you fire the Super Shotgun at just the right angle in the vanilla .exe, you get a spechit overflow and it crashes. The last one is very hard to actually do though, it has to be pixel perfect.

I assume it's because nodebuilders, even iD's own, weren't as sophisticated as later ones.

>>9201329
I think it's this node in particular that's fucked up or something. Looks about the right shape, and is in the right spot.

>>9201314
Nothing really, somebody else would carry on stuff sooner or later, and it's not like the community or modding needs the shit getting done to one sourceport to stay alive.

Do you delete a map-pack once you are done with it or do you keep it for replay value if it was good enough?

>>9201359
Nice, making custom textures to complete it shouldn't be too hard.

Woah

>>9201364
Woah indeed

>>9201358
I keep them because I just forget to/can't be arsed deleting them
Also I just don't have enough to worry about space issues, recommend some ones I'm missing and shouldn't be

>>9201374
Have you played 400minvr? That's one of my favorites from here, mainly because of the sexy HUD.

>>9201376
No but I'll add it to the list, thanks anon

>>9201358
I archive everything, especially these days you don't know if a map or mod is going to be obtainable again if you delete it.

>>9201374
Always Chainworm Kommando, it's pretty short but a nice variety of stuff that's really nicely detailed.

>>9201374
>recommend some ones I'm missing and shouldn't be
I will once i actually play them! someday,i swear

I really need to organize this shit i am just so lazy to actually play them,just hoping none of these have custom weapons/enemy replacers

>>9201264
>>9201308
The one on the website is outdated, I guess dastrukar missed my post. I just put out a new update now with a handful of new tips and some updates/corrections:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/1011448413587509298/newtips.pk3
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/1011448413956612178/newtips-original.pk3
Also updated my extended lootpools for Ugly as Sin:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/1011448412937392179/extended-lootpools.pk3
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/1011448413247766649/extended-lootpools-uas.pk3
And a maintenance update for the Cross Pulse Thunderbuster to remove the now-defunct LZDoom compatibility:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SGbvgmgdERfGMNKG8SGf2t091oHSj3t9/view?usp=sharing

>>9201410
Thank you, that's a lot of new updates. Hope das updates the repository.

>>9201410
>Also updated my extended lootpools for Ugly as Sin
I'll pocket that for future reference, I intend to make my own loot table, and yours has some cool ideas, like fragshards galore on Barons, with a rare shield core.
Mine will come with more risk of outright killing the player.

>>9198640
I've updated the Ad Mortem resources WAD, this update includes some extra vegetation props, including swamp trees (things 1056-1063) and mushrooms (things 1063-1071.)
https://mega.nz/folder/NBFWlJZQ#ayc36MvN6fAvwup-8vMLdA

>>9201469
Mushrooms

>>9201469
Neat forest.

>>9201475
Thanks, I stole it from you.

>>9200640
>>9200880
Also not exactly a focus, and I haven't tried them together myself yet, but the Hearts of Demons mods have their own standalone enemy pack, the player and all the enemies have their own elemental damagetypes and resistances.

>>9200957
I had a look at that earlier when I was checking the git. Is it a bolt-action shotgun?

>>9201358
I keep them unless I really, really hated it by the end.

>>9201551
An automatic shotgun. In fact, the first commercially successful self-loading shotgun, John Browning's Auto-5.

>>9201551
>>9201561
To add:
The Peppergrinder version only fires slugs, and has a match-saver style single-shell holder for quickly reloading the chamber.

>>9199024
I vote the Halo trilogy,UT2K4 and Prey. Those are my top tier for that era.

>>9201563
Rifled slug-only shotguns are the neatest shit, lets you get fine precision with a really heavy single projectile. Also lets you hunt with what's basically a rifle in states where they only allow you to hunt with shotguns.

>>9201561
>>9201563
Okay, that's pretty cool. I'll have to give that a try. How are slugs compared to the other bullets?

>>9201593
I would presume that they are shield rapers given that it'd be like a single projectile with the combined weight of a load of buckshot, more even. Heavy projectiles punch shields well in HD, IIRC

>>9201593
They're worth about 3 rounds of 7.76 in terms of shield damage, and against armor they can punch through green but will stop on blue. They tend not to be as immediately lethal as buckshot is against flesh, but will open bigass wounds that'll be noticeably more effective against Hell Knights and Barons.

>>9201605
>They tend not to be as immediately lethal as buckshot is against flesh
Doesn't make a terrible amount of sense to me, but maybe it's something like a Foster slug where the base is hollowed out.

>>9200957
Is this for Ad Mortem this year....or something else?

>>9201625
He said it's for HDest, all guns but the plasma and BFG have been replaced for AM already.

>>9201358
If I've played through the megawad or mapset entirely, then it's good enough to keep and revisit later. Anything I don't like I tend to just give up and delete straight away. Also, keeping them helps archive exactly what WADs I have played, et cetera.

>>9201625
My personal Hideous Destructor resprite, I prefer black gloves and green sleeves over Doomguy's arms.
The mod also has some sprites (and "sprites") that are, well... hideous, which was the main reason I started putting this together in the first place.

>>9200958
Well like I said, it wasn't really built into Quake yet, it was a viral thing that spread from person to person. Back in the pure Quake DM days I joined a german clan and they taught it to me. Damn those were some fun days.. endless DM3 scrimmages

>>9201635
>>9201645
I saw HD and thought High Definition...I see.
That's a very cool sprite for a somewhat more obscure historical shotgun.

>>9201297
>the music
I agree, I singularly hate the "Rifftrax-Rifftrax-RIFFTRAAAAAX!" theme. I get it's a callback to old tv/radio jingles, but it just sounds so fucking irritating. I'll sit through any version of the MST3k theme song, but not that.

>>9201656
As mentioned here:
>>9201180
I barely did anything to it, credit for the gun goes to sonik.o.fan, a1337spy, and marty kirra according to the weapon addon itself.

>>9201615
It seems to mainly be the case for the Greely. The Auto-5 fires with a whopping 30% extra velocity, so it hits a lot harder.

How do I extract all the assets from the prototype quake gba rom? Has anyone done it already? Tried a bunch of random gba hacking tools on romhacking,net but can't open it.

So I noticed a bug in the BFG and I think I fixed it. The distance priority thing was borked and didn't work right if shooting at a group of homogeneous enemies. Now it works fine. Also webm of random testing clip.

>>9201374
>REKKP
what

So it turns out I kept recording like an hour of doom so now I get to make clips. Also the last 10 levels in D2TWWRI are pretty mixed, so basically it really is just the way I remember it. Only worse.

Okay maybe not an hour, it stopped after 20 minutes. I guess I hit the hotkey.

Most of this is trash because I totally blanked on how to get out of this level

Last not-Chasm one

I am really, really fucking bad at not killing myself with the RL

You may be asking "What kind of maniac plays with no autoaim and no crosshair?" The answer is a man who keeps forgetting to load precise crosshair 1.4.

>>9201915
>You may be asking "What kind of maniac plays with no autoaim and no crosshair?"
I am not asking that because that's exactly how I play Zandronum.

>>9201916
I can't really say you're wrong for doing it, but I do think of you the same way I think of people who put ketchup on steak.

Good lord playing this shit at 2AM was not the best idea. Watching this back makes me look almost as dumb as I am in real life.

And the last one. I definitely, 100% restarted the level after this and beat it easily. I totally didn't just enter resurrect because I forgot to quicksave.
100% my fault for fumbling the door, I heard the cacos and panicked

>>9201927
>spoiler
haha good job mutton mitts.
Ham hands.
Beef beaters.
Chicken chokers.
The mod's looking good though.

>>9201915
>"What kind of maniac plays with no autoaim and no crosshair?"
I like to play that way. It's a little additional skill to remember just where the aim point is on the screen and eyeball your shots correctly.

>>9201929
>Tendie Touchers
Yeah I'm gonna get through this wad, then do a bit more testing, then open up the itch.io page. Might do one more poll for ideas since I have a few things I'm thinking of doing but could go either way on.
>>9201935
Yeah, jokes aside it is interesting and feels more fair than having a pinpoint-accurate crosshair. Sucks for sniping with rockets though.

>gzdoom running from a fucking user folder
>Babel autosave still enabled because I reset my CVARs
Christ I am dumb. Oh well.

>>9201885
яeккp

>>9201947
>that wordcloud text
kek

>>9201950
Ah yes, yaekkr

>>9201958
I was saving that one for a while. it just happened to be exactly the right width.

>>9201892
>>9201909
Don't worry I do this every damn time I play kek

>>9198640
More photos of FMW scenes that were planned for 3DO port of DOOM.
https://twitter.com/burgerbecky/status/1561827633217912836

Does anyone know the EXACT values for the following in Quake 4? Wiki lists nothing and google is worthless per usual.

>Enemy health and damage modifier on Private.
>Enemy health and damage modifier on Corporal.
>Enemy health and damage modifier on Lieutenant.
>Enemy health and damage modifier on General.
>Human pm_speed ###, pm_walkspeed ###, pm_crouchspeed ###
>Stroggified pm_speed ###, pm_walkspeed ###, pm_crouchspeed ###

>>9201581
>>9201561
I tried it out and was confused on why the single slug on the side did not load on an empty shotgun when pressing reload until I tried a chamber load. Kinda neat, would be a good alternative to the greely if it also loaded buck.
Any reason why the Slayers can't load Slugs? Other than, you know, base HD not having slugs. Guess it needs a separate variant without the saddles.

>>9202134
>Any reason why the Slayers can't load Slugs? Other than, you know, base HD not having slugs. Guess it needs a separate variant without the saddles.
I think not being in base HD is the only reason, but you'd need to adjust the code.
In general, all shotguns can load slugs, even fully choked ones.

For the more challenging maps, how do you deal with too many cyberdemons? There's four in an area, and they just keep splattering me because I can't maintain vision, dodge all of the rockets, and make progress through the level and clear other threats.

>>9202134
The lore justification is that the slugs were statted based on the most extreme 12ga slug that we could find, which ended up being some freak handloads that irreparably destroyed the gun of the person who made them after two or three shots. The Greely can handle them because it was custom built to be especially strong. The Auto-5 doesn't have any apparent lore, but it is a heavy fucker compared to the Hunter even with less capacity, so I guess the same can be assumed of it.

>>9202134
>>9202136
IIRC HD weapons being able to load shells/slugs (or any two ammo types) interchangeably while keeping track of the order they should fire (or be loaded in the case of sidesaddles) gets exponentially more complex code-wise the higher the weapon's overall capacity.
For a double-barrel that can load either, there's the Altis Over-Under, but I haven't used it recently so I can't say if newer HD updates broke anything about it.

>>9202128
(crouch/walk/run)
human: 80/80/160
strogg: 80/115/230
d3guy: 80/140/220
it tells you if you type it without a value
no idea how to check health

>>9202176
thanks
odd that the crouch and walk scale differently
i wonder if it affects sliding

>>9201358
Never delete stuff. >>9201380 One day rbkz/marisakirisa/mikestoybox/whateverblog might stop existing, or even idgames just like wad-archive, map can be deleted by the author because he didn't liked it or because some 12yo troll offended him. I don't want to be at mercy of the internets. Most of them don't even take that much space.

>>9202196
Remember when they always told us "the internet doesn't forget anything"?

>>9202206
Yeah, and I learned my lesson. Never trust internets.

>>9198638
I hope that this is Halloween enough.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

which one is better for Duke 3D nowadays? Raze or EDuke?

I finally reached the city levels of Doom 2 (E2M12/E2M13). Same point I left off last time years ago, for how boring it was. Please tell me how long I have to bear these levels? Does things get better later on?

>>9202248
Level 14 is great but from that point on most of the game will be shit/meh levels mixed with actually good ones.

>>9202237
Many people's first slaughtermap.
Did you have fun, anon?

>>9202248
Stop memeing, LE CITY LEVELS are as good as Doom 1 at it's best

>>9202248
Honestly the only bad level in the game is Downtown. But if you really hate LE CITY that much you're mostly free of it by map 17

>>9202261
I think I had fun
I'm not entirely sure

>>9202267
>>9202271
Imagine how much better they could've been if Doom didn't relied on this fucking abomination called vertical autoaim.

>>9202271
lmao what retard opinions
I played Downtown more than any other level

>>9202278
Wouldn't be doom without it. To me playing Doom with vertical mouse speed is like fucking a bitch who has a penis. I love it.

>>9199432
>Raze
Use nblood standalone if you don't have a high end pc.

>>9202108
haha cool. maybe this will end up into a sprite some day

>>9202317
this is like the closest for hd references of the cyberdemon's head that isn't stuff like the doom 2 cover or reaper figurines
unless i should count the clay model, doom 2 rpg and maybe that one cut 64 design

Redpill me about Freedoom. Is it a freeware wad to play all doom wad files?

>>9202196
>pic
What wad?

>>9202312
MARANAX

>>9202389
It's a free software wad to do whatever you want with, as long as you don't try to limit what other people can do with it. Free means more than zero cost.

https://youtu.be/KksvdY9Xp0A

Just watched this interesting video on TNT, it really changed my opinion on the game. What do you guys think?

>>9202419
>1h 40min

>>9202419
>your opinion should be X and here's why video essay
I like TNT, but what convinced me it's cool is just playing it.

how the fuck do i open console in woof

>>9202390
DBP48: ALIENS VS PREDATOR VS TERMINATOR VS JASON VS HELL VS STEVEN SEAGAL
And I'm not joking.

>>9202435
lol, lmao even.

>>9202435
You don't.

>>9202419
It’s fine. Like the other iwads I replay it every so often, I can even find fun in pistol starting Habitat. It also has a lot of great tunes.

>>9202439
>>9202441
why
whats the point of a port without console
how do i get back to the map i want to play
how do i make my sensitivity not shit
wtf

>>9202447
You learn the cheats.

>>9202447
>whats the point of a port without console
Doom didn't have a console, most vanilla accurate ports don't either.
>how do i get back to the map i want to play
IDCLEV** (** being map number, or episode/map in Doom 1)
>how do i make my sensitivity not shit
Use the slider in the menu.

>>9202454
>a slider with only whole numbers
>not shit

>>9202460
>I need my mouse sensitivity to be exactly Pi in a game with autoaim

>>9202464
>autoaim
yeesh, you people use that too?

>>9202467
I'm not aware of any vanilla-accurate port where you can turn it off.
It sounds like you're more familiar with a crude facsimile of Doom.

>>9202464
if i can't make a game match my source engine sensitivity 1:1 then the game is unplayable

>>9202478
I completely understand this exact notion in the context of competitive FPS, but for single player I usually just fuck around with whatever mouse settings it has until it feels close enough.

>>9202478
There should be a .cfg file in the woof folder with the mouse sensitivity value somewhere in there, but I have no idea if the port accepts decimal numbers.

>>9202108
pomf =3

>>9202491
>Pomf, pomf, kimochi, what's this stimmy stuff in me?
>Sta-ple me until I smell like Second Flesh and pills.

>>9202215
>The Eric Andre show

I replaced the Doom 3 shader with one that uses the specular model from Chronicles of Riddick. Looks great, except for some weird coloration on some objects.

>>9202215
>>9202535

>>9202196
Anons have rescued so many mods over the years this way, Fractal Doom's final version was only recovered after a bunch of anons scoured their drives for it.

Never trust anything to be permanent on the internet.

>>9202535
Too many chairs.

>dude, let's put all of the bad maps in the beginning of the episodes so nobody will ever want to replay them, lmao
What was their problem?

>>9202283
>To me playing Doom with vertical mouse speed is like fucking a bitch who has a penis. I love it.
A Hedon fan in the wild.

>>9202550
there are no bad maps here
except the dragon's lair
that one is retarded

>>9202550
I can't get over the fact that Rogue's boss in Quake 2 actually resembles the Quake 1 boss of the mission pack they didn't do.

>>9202557
the map with the func_movelinear boats is bad. I don't need no autoscroller in my quake.
The map with the neptune mural is a drag. too much maze-like backtracking, no arenas.
the military base theme sucks in general, and SoA drags it out for the first third of the fucking episode

the rest of the levels are decent to great. with the exception of the pyramid maze, it was a cool gimmick at first but sucks to play.