/vr/ - Retro Games

Dragon Quest 4 is better

>>9192940
3*

Pokemon are gambling games

>>9192950
They have a gambling parlor but so does Dragon Quest with the monster arena.

Is that..... KANTOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>9192942
7*

>>9192950
I guess you could argue that catching pokemon is gambling because pokeballs cost money.

>>9192803
nah it sucked dude. I didn't feel alive in the least bit, take off the fucking nostalgia goggles.

I was ten when pokemania started in the US, I was born in 88

I didn't grow out of it, I was disappointed from the start. I wanted a cool game with these interesting monsters, but we were constantly shoveled shit
>r/b
story was lacking, had a few alright moments, but I wanted more that what was offered.
>snap
was shit, came here for a monster adventure not to take pictures
>stadium
good post game battles, but not much else
>g/s
was 12 at this point
Much better than the original but I just wanted more than what was presented.
I remember playing paper mario, and wondering why I couldn't get a story like this in pokemon, reading both pokemon manga wishing the games could be like this

Between the gap I got a PS2 for xmas and I played many rpgs
>almost all square rpgs
even went back and played the SNES ones
>all of dragon quest up until then
>lunar 1+2
>golden sun
was lackluster but better than Pokémon
>played monster rpgs like jadecoon
>played arc the lad realized it was made the same year as (r/g) in japan
here is the monster arena side game where you can pit party members and monsters you captured against other players. 20x better than any pokemon game to date
The things I wanted to happen in pokemon games happened in this game.
>crazy missions like destroying a cultist outpost and leveling their bse
>destroying a monster creation factory
> badess teammate moments
>actually fucking up the mob boss instead of letting him go

That made me quit pokemon altogether, I tried to get into it by playing mystery dungeon ranger and gen4, ranger was pretty alright, but gen 4 was abject dogshit. Since then I keep looking to see if the series has gotten any gamefreakbetter and it hasn't; the fact that every other company game make better titles then is appalling.

>>9192950
>Pokemon are gambling games
I realized that after being friends with a group of asians. They got enjoyment out of RNG and checking something to see if they won. It was very bizarre to me.
I played Pokemon Red because I loved insects and arachnids and wanted to be an entomologist. For me it's all about the witnessing, cataloguing, and describing.

>>9193035
I read something recently where someone posted about giving their Asian grandma who liked to gamble their gameboy to win points in the gamecorner for him. Shit was adorable.

>>9193015
>I didn't feel alive in the least bit
based zombie shitting on genwunners

>>9193015
>story was lacking
opinion discarded. didn't even read the rest of the post

For me it was pic related. For a poor kid who couldn't afford many cards this was a godsend

>>9193069
stop acting white. It was shit in comparison to the manga and other rpgs.

>>9193086
Maybe because it wasn't shoehorned in your face so it went over your 10 yo peanut brain. The last thing the game needed was interruptions that detract from the adventure.

>>9192950
europoors like you are why we can't buy fucking coins in hgss
unless you mean shiny hunting or whatever
that's not gambling that's just dumby
>>9193015
i mean paper mario is really good but i don't think it's much for story, more the characters, bowser beats mario for once because the power of kirby and i think it's the first game where it's revealed he likes peach but it's the gameplay that's real fun, the badge system is amazing
not sayin the story isn't basic too in r/b but ya know

>>9193086
I like the manga but its very try-hard with half the gym leaders being team rocket members and adding big overarcing plotlines like the later games would have to make this an epic world threatening journey. which loses the simple charm of the original game, which is a simple little journey of escapism, imagining you as a kid could go out and wander the world freely and see cool things. It didn't need to be more than that, and finding the scraps of story you can through interaction is fun. For a little late gameboy game in the 90s its fine.

>>9193104
Anon here, I love gambling, but pokemon success is because of the gambling mechanics

Gen 1 is cool as fuck, I replay one or all of the games every few months

>>9193093
take the diaper off man. It was severely lacking, it was too grounded despite there being fantastical creatures. We barely got to see them do anything all we got were dex entries, that's bullshit.

>>9193104
> i don't think it's much for story, more the characters,
Exactly,
we didn't get the crazy events like we did in paper mario, just mundane shit with no sense of danger in a boring setting. All the humans had the personalities of cardboard.

>>9193123
>I like the manga but its very try-hard with half the gym leaders being team rocket members
Trying hard is better than not trying at all, they had no presence or personality in the game.

>this an epic world threatening journey.
that's the fun of most games,seeing ridiculous over the top scenerioes

>e, which is a simple little journey of escapism, imagining you as a kid could go out and wander the world freely and see cool things.

I didn't want to escape I just wanted to see cool things, I hate self inserting. We didn't get to see cool things either like the pokemon doing shit in the world, all we saw were coardboard humans being mundane.

> It didn't need to be more than that,
it did, every other game was marginally better.

>For a little late gameboy game in the 90s its fine.
No it wasn't final fantasy legend came out 6 years beforehand on the GB and it was a much more interesting journey.

>>9192803
NPCs saying things like
>Hey! I met you in VIRIDIAN FOREST!
Fooled me, I felt like there were other trainers on this journey, we're all trying to make it through this world.

>>9193141
>Yellow
>Raichu
Absolute madman.

>>9192803
zoomies can't understand the pokemania of 1998-2000. It took over every school and saturday morning and sunday night dinner where the kids were all on GBC

>>9193104
>are why we can't buy fucking coins in hgss
Not only that, but also why we can't play the kino, easy, and actually fun Jigglypuff card game from the original GS.

>>9193190
I just think you wanted something fundamentally different than the point.

>>9192974
Forced meme. Cope.

>>9193296
I lived in the countryside exploration wasnew, I wanted a wacky story with cool characters and weird scenerios. What we got was a mundane world without any real danger.
I don't want to read dex entries,I want to see pokemon doing the shit in the entries.

>>9192803
I fully agree with you. I was 8 or 9 years old I think when it came out and nothing compared. Modern fans tend to forget that when gen 1 released outside of Japan we already had things like PS1 and N64 being a thing. So the graphics argument they at times make is very dumb. Graphics never bothered me in fact I loved the look of Pokemon. It really drove the imagination for me as a kid playing Red. Yeah I wanted to see an N64 adventure like most kids but that is only because gen 1 Pokemon was just so good to me. It was life. They really were such great adventures and not even the series itself ever truly duplicated the appeal and hype of the original games imo. The successive gens are copies of a successful proven formula sure but the series on record has declined from the first games and never really ever went back to that level of excitement. Last time it did I would say is with Pokemon Go. Which not so coincidentally it was college age and older people this time driving the hype machine on that for a minute. It didn't last too long but its no fluke that yet again the originals left such an impact on the gaming world.

Not even bashing the later games. It is just that Pokemon fever was at a level unmatched by later games. It even sort of got duplicated decades later with the same people who had nostalgia for it as kids. These days the franchise is huge of course. Just not late 90's big.

>>9192803
The anime was good. The games, not so much. I never owned a Game Boy so I didn't really get a chance to play them properly until recently and they just kind of failed to capture my interest. The closest thing I really enjoyed on there was Harvest Moon, which isn't even an RPG.

Pokemon really should've gotten something like Magic Knight Rayearth with anime cutscenes and voice acting, but the N64 couldn't handle it.

>>9193359
correctamundo.

>>9192803
I agree. They're really perfect for stimulating a kids sense of wonder. I set up a retro console for my niece and it was cool to see her getting so into it, so i guess they still hold up if you're in the right age range.

>>9193190
We get it you have 16yo mentality and like epic games like final fantasy. Now fuck off.

1st gen Pokémon was a great game.

Then they remade the same game for 25 years.

It's like the cod 4

>>9193141
make sure to play Japanese blue as well, pic related

>>9193052
>not having figured out how the odds at the slots machine work by yourself

Get on my level dudes

Each machine has a different payout. Some will win often, but little, some will win less often, but will win big, etc the trick is to find the machine that wins often. The thing is, it's not always the same thing, every 30 mins or so, the machines get swapped.

So what you need to do is check every machine, play 5 times, if you win 3 times out of 5, stay on your machine (until you stop winning), if you don't, try the next one.

Sometimes it is possible to try to try every machine and NOT win "the" one though, in which case you should exit and re-enter, and there are two reasons for this
>possibly it got swapped while you were looking
>sometimes "the" machine actually becomes one taken by an NPC or a broken one

I had figured this all out by the age of 11, and it was confirmed by a disassembly a couple years back, the only thing I couldn't have known is what I put in spoilers above that the disassembly taught me

>>9193601
Gold and Silver were the only expansion or sequel the series ever had. The remaking of the same game every new generation for retarded consoomers and jealous zoomers began with Gen 3 or possibly the low effort game titled Crystal Version. At least Yellow forced you to have different gameplay by forcing you to use Pikachu endlessly.

>>9193190
You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of pokemon

Then again so do later games of the franchise and if you played them you would see how going in the direction you want hurts both the gameplay and the feel of the world

>>9193359
>The anime was good. The games, not so much.
kys

>>9193687
Man what a slut.

Gen 1's structure is underrated. Yes its broken in programming in a lot of ways, but the actual design and intention is still respectable; in everything from how the world layout if approached, the story design, and yes even the combat system and how it encourages good item management. You're not meant to grind too much in Gen 1.

>>9193592
you are a white girl who wants medicrody

>>9193793
what do you mean? I haven't played in years, but from what I have seen it's pretty medicore.

>>9193015
Playing Paper Mario is a sufficient basis to discredit your opinions.

>>9193601
>Then they remade the same game for 25 years.
If that were true, then every generation since the fourth wouldn't have been complete garbage.

>>9194157
You guys are just like vegans, you can't just be gay, you gotta be all "HEY EVERYONE IM GAY LOOK AT ME"

>>9194137
>I haven't played in years, but from what I have seen it's pretty medicore.

All the later Pokemon games become about you being a super special trainer who ends up wrapped in a world threatening event and becoming a renowned trainer, journeying through a bunch of really gimmicky towns and routes.

>>9193015
You're clearly lying

>>9193052
I also loved that post.

>>9193015
>story
>story
>story
>story

Go read a book retard, it was a gameboy game.

>>9193190
>humans
technically true at the time but ya know
that said only half related but i could play a whole game with that umbrella mechanic, that is way too cool to be limited to one peach intermission

>>9194837
the ironic part is that it actually was a videogame story done right

>>9194837
Pokemon R/B/Y did story better than most games pushing story down your throat, funny enough. I enjoy what most npcs talk about, to the point whenever I play it, I talk to everyone.

>>9192803
i think Pokemon Red felt like how Zelda 1 felt to others to me personally. it was as if if i kept poking around i would stumble on stuff, one time it was eevee, one time it was zapdoes, one time it was mewtwo, the game world felt so cool and mysterious.

it's a shame none of the new games have the same vibe.

Does the "atmosphere" and simplicity of R/B/Y make them worth playing over FR/LG, or are the latter just strictly better games? I got into Pokemon with gen 2, and to this day I have never properly played through "real" Kanto in a game (meaning not the barren Kanto as it exists in the gen 2 games). I'm wondering which would give me the better experience.

>>9194773
How so?
>>9194274
oh....ok, is the story any better?
>>9194837
take of the diaper and stop excusing this mess.

>>9194870
arc the lad was made the same year, and had much better human characters.

>>9195343
nah shit sucked. Pretty much everyone here has nostolgia goggles, it was a basic game. and it reallysucked.

>>9195343
FireRed and LeafGreen are absolute dogshit. Don't you dare experience Kanto through them, especially as a first playthrough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJQopRuH1E
https://youtu.be/SE4sz2lnTpU?t=9

>>9195363
i didn't say they were good, i said they're not human
>>9195343
eh it doesn't matter
the music isn't as good for some tracks but it's gba that's kinda a given
hgss's kanto is pretty good but that's the postgame

>>9195343
>Does the "atmosphere" and simplicity of R/B/Y make them worth playing over FR/LG
100%

remakes are full of fanfiction, censorship and butchered graphics/music

>>9192803
I agree. There were other nice rpg games like metal max, dragon quest and final fantasy but pokemon was the only that reached enough popularity, I never heard of the others at that time so pokemon was king

>>9193276
Raichu is my favorite in gen 1, I'm not NOT using it, and Yellow is the best fit for it.

>>9193687
Yep, that's how I'm playing Blue and Green. I think using this.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1457/

>>9192803
>Original games are implied to be taking place in modern-day Earth, just with Pokemon living among normal animals
>All later games retcon this to be some kind of alternate world where only Pokemon and humans exist
Sad...

>>9195343
man, i gotta tell you, original game has soul

and like, there one youtuber who do vg music analysis, and Pokemon does some stuff that only a limited as hell gameboy chitune could do, melodic wise

So it's worth it. Maybe play the "Super Game Boy" for Snes version for a better color scheme for the eyes

When you get to Cerulean, and the whole game gets blue, man... The remakes can't do that

pokemon is fucking gay
>inb4 b-but
no nigger, it's gay. you are gay.

>>9195690
that's just how fantasy works
besides most are based on normal animals anyway besides like the legendaries after gen 3

>>9195705
>man, i gotta tell you, original game has soul
>he says while posting a screenshot of the animetrash version

>>9192803
gen 1/2 was amazing.
a big part of making retro rpgs feel "alive" is npcs having randomly walking.
something so minor adds a lot

real talk i've been tempted to create a rpg maker world and just kinda live in it

>you killed Garys Raticate

how do you cope with that?

>>9195773
didn't happen, stop inserting headcannon. It was a shit story. Just stop

>>9195773
i've never met anybody named Gary who wasn't a complete fag so he probably deserved it

>>9195773
Poor Gary...

>>9195773
He just put it in the PC because a shitmon like that has no place in the future champion's team.
Also he was only visiting the Tower to catch Cubone.

>>9195880
normal types are pretty good usually and i don't even think he has one on his last team
gotta make room for rhydon, probably more of a shitmon honestly unless you go with x speed/accuracy and horn drill

Guys how do I win at the bug contest? The best I can do is second place and I really want that sunstone.

>>9196237
>gen 2

>>9192950
Dog fighting simulator.

Catch strays, store them in your hightech kennels. Buff them and use them to kill each other.

No wonder underground animal fighting is on the rise globally.

>>9195773
His name is Blue

>>9196785
His name is Green. Localization isn't canon

>>9196664
>Frogposter being mentally retarded and infected with monkeypox
Grass is green.

>>9196785
>>9196797
His name is Gary Oak.

>>9196797
It's all canon or they wouldn't have published it. Believe it or not, Pokémon have different names in different languages, and they are all canon too.

>>9196237
Catch a rare one like Scyther or Sunkern, from what I remember. It's actually pretty easy and no Safari Zone.

>>9196830
Sunken is not a bug. He is found in the national park, but never during the bug catching contest. The spawn rates change to a unique bug-only pool of Pokémon during the contest.

>>9194935
honestly this. It was minimal, it was enough. A video games story is like the cheese on nachos, it's holding everything together, but you don't need that much, I want the meat, the chips, everything else. If I just wanted cheese, I'd just get that. Books, tv shows, movies, anime ect. I'm all about the minimalistic frame work

>>9195690
It's really dumb and I don't know how they rationalize some things. I liked that were were bugs and bug pokemon. Like how there's plants and planet pokemon. Not every blade of grass is a pokemon. Like there should be ghosts and ghost pokemon. They even have a ghost in gen 1. You fight the ghost of cubones mother.

>>9196823
is this you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ZjvFliR0Q

NOTHING has changed, you just grew up ;)

>>9196797
it's dumb to make him wear blue
i mean sure the name doesn't mean you have to wear the color but ya know red wears the color
>>9197976
hey they actually still looked okay for the most part until gen 8, i mean there's exceptions like literal jobber baramon out of cute cat but ya know can't win em all

>>9197997
>it's dumb to make him wear blue
are you colorblind? he wears purple

>>9198030
okay it's purple on the right i'll give ya that but the left is more indigo
pretty sure he does wear purple in frlg though so yeah that's probably what it is

>>9192803
theres a reason its the biggest franchise of all time. People look down on it now but everything it offered was a serious achievement for a gameboy game in the mid 90s. People really have no clue how difficult it is to make a successful monster catching game, look how many Pokemon "rivals" have lived and died while Pokemon continues to truck on.

it is a mixture of blue and purple

>>9198041
It's fucking purple. It was always purple. Here's a better quality scan

>>9198058
alright yeah that's more clear

>>9193035
Did you become an entomologist, anon?

>>9193015
lol, nice "review". you should be a youtuber if you aren't already. you will make zoomers piss and shit themselves with your hot takes

>>9195773
I made it faint. His Raticate died off screen somewhere from other reasons, probably got ran over by the truck near the boat when he was leaving, or contracted a disease from eating garbage off the ground

>>9197976
they literally admitted that in gen 3 they consciously decided to push the boundaries of what could be considered pokemon. Literally anyone trying to argue differently has their head in the sand. Its not like all Kanto designs were pokemons peak either.

>>9198095
well they did pretty well there frankly
besides the double battle shitmons and torchic's line, and having two dragons that are exactly the same besides color and eyeshape is a little dumby

>>9198095
>they literally admitted that in gen 3 they consciously decided to push the boundaries of what could be considered pokemon.
even on gen 2 they are on record saying they made the pokemon more simple and streamlined because they had to think about the animation considerations of the tv show.

>>9198107
A lot of Gen 1 pokemon had way simpler designs than some of their later mons though. In fact theyre only getting more complex every gen, clearly the show and merchandising play second base to making mons. Gen 2 was still the awkward transition period for pokemon before TPC really solidified and streamlined their pipeline.

>>9195690
I hate how /vp/ autism a meme about the Pokedex entirely being made up by kids in the game because "lol Indian elephants! not in the game!" Or even worse, speculating its a placeholder for a cancelled elephant Pokemon.
I guess people in Pokemon world don't shit because there's no bathrooms visible.

>>9198095
>Its not like all Kanto designs were pokemons peak either.

People shit on Grimer/Muk and Voltorb and Magnemte to shit on Kanto designs but they make sense within the context of them being standard RPG monster types like mimics and slimes.

>>9198149
>speculating its a placeholder for a cancelled elephant Pokemon
uh, anon? it wasn't cancelled. and it looks like shit but the babby is cute i guess which doesn't really make up for the giganiggamax

>>9198165
He's referring to this one

>>9198154
>People shit on Grimer/Muk
Fucking tasteless cunts. Grimer and Muk are awesome in design as well as in every other aspect.

>>9198183
oh
well that just looks like donphan from the back

>>9192803
I know vp will flame my opinion if I posted it there, but honestly gen's 1 and 2 are the best. Gen 3 and 4 were okay, everything after was shit. You can tell the Devs were getting sick of doing the same thing for years.

>>9198189
it's not

>>9198149
They finally retconned the mention of Indian elephants in the Legends Arceus game. Raichu is now said to paralyze a Copperajah.

>>9198197
Most of the original devs left Pokemon after Gen2. Gen3 was young blood, and it showed.

>>9198197
5 was somethin new at least
after that they just put gimmicks in all the games to make up for bein lazy

>>9198183
Not exactly the reference being made, but I mean sure Raichu's dex description was probably meant to refer to them

>>9194157
Imagine not having any joy in life. Why do you even bother waking up?

>>9198229
It wasn't. Measuring the strength of something in comparison to indian elephants was a common thing back then in japanese media. There are references to it in kaiju and sentai shows like Ultraman.

>>9198165
Anon,while there was an elephant pokemon scrapped for Gen 1, it wasn't that.

>>9198206
Even with that existing, I doubt the Pokedex reference was specifically a reworked reference to it. Basing the potency of things in relativity to elephants was just a common scale reference. There's a reason they electrocuted an elephant, or you hear the words "that'll knock out an elephant".

>>9198154
Ironically Grimer and Muk were some of my favorite gen 1 mons. Real gen1 stinkers are stuff like Pidgey/Spearow, Farfetched, Persian, Goldeen, etc. which arent even pretending to not be a normal animal.

>>9198261
>gen1 stinkers are stuff like Pidgey/Spearow, Farfetched, Persian, Goldeen
how dare you. delet dis

Why do zoomers want to pretend that they were around for the Pokemon craze? If you like the game or dislike the game whether or not you're a zoomer doesn't really have any relevance.

>>9193729
>forcing you to use Pikachu endlessly.
Fuck are you talking about? You can box that little shit at the first opportunity and never use it again if you want to. You can even trade it away, though you can't release it.

>>9195343
If you want to experience gen1, then play gen1.
If you want to play r/s/e with a kanto paintjob then play the remakes. they have some qol additions, more robust movepools and the addition of weather/abilities/etc. but its so different IMO that its almost an entirely new game.

Also you cant have a crobat until you unlock the national dex which is really annoying because Golbat will keep trying to evolve everytime it levels up

>>9195773
I never bought this theory. I feel like the Rival would've been way more aggressive and hateful against you if that was the case rather than "LOL hey nerd time for your semi-hourly tussle!" every encounter.

>>9198385
Why do you care? Does some insignificant shit like that make you feel special?
>guys, i was alive during this timeframe and you weren't.
Faggot.

>>9199043
Welcome to /vr/.Sonic and Pokemon threads in particular are awful because people will argue over being born 4 years earlier or later than each other, buts its generally a fifth/sixth gen problem.

>>9198261
The notion of less exotic pokemon being bad designs are part of what ruined the look of the franchise imo. Well stylized "mom's cat" are important and lay the foundation that more exotic pokemon designs shine on.

Pidgey is the fiber, to Scyther's carby-sugar!

>>9198095
I like a lot of the more fantastical designs, or going deep into extinct animals, or near extinct. Like I don't mind an ice cream cone pokemon, I hate that it's a mixed sweeper, maybe make it not suck? Also, I know there's like 400 varieties of song birds, but to me, it's kinda the same thing. We don't need flying/normals 50 times. A lot of gen 3 pokemon are incredinbly creative and took the series in good direction. A mummy, a moon, a big loud asshole, a fighting fungus kangaroo thing...? Im into it. It's the sameness that tires me more than anything. Oh look another fish, flower, or quirky psychic thing..... like....ugh. come on.

>>9198154
Pokémon has al out of RPG tropes that people don’t pick up on. Onyx represents that first boss in the game that later becomes a weak normal enemy. That’s why it’s stats suck.

>>9199282
onix has high def and low special. A level 9 Charmander with Ember has an easier time with onyx than a level 9 bulbasaur does. They didn't actually make the game they claimed. "Grass beats rock" sure, but not when your grass type has no grass moves.

>>9199035
He doesn't love his pokemon, that's why you beat him in the end. Oak says so to his face. Not that this makes the Raticate thing true of course, it's just a game theory.

>>9193015
Go touch grass ya fuggin weeb

>>9193729
>The remaking of the same game every new generation for retarded consoomers and jealous zoomers began with Gen 3
Johtoddler cope. Gen 2 is mostly reused assets from the previous gen.

>At least Yellow forced you to have different gameplay
The gameplay is exactly the same as RB, did you even play any of them?

>>9196237
Step 1. Check if there's a blue haired SJW on the left side of the map. If no, proceed, if yes, reset.
Step 2. Spam Sweet Scent for fast encounters.
Step 3. Run from everything that's not a lvl 14 Pinsir or lvl 14 Scyther.
Step 4. Put it to sleep and spam balls from full health. Hurting it at all hurts your chances your win.
Step 5. Kiss a bald dude's head for luck. Even with all this set up you still only have 4/5 chance of winning it.

>>9193298
Why are you coping over his meme?

>>9193687
MMMMMMHMMMMMM

Honestly though why the special stat? Why would they ever think that was a good idea?

>>9202273
If Pokemon only had four stats it would be boring, that's why.

>>9195747

>real talk i've been tempted to create a rpg maker world and just kinda live in it

Same anon. Worried it might be too escapist fantasy but the idea sounds cozy.

>>9202273
Gens 1 & 2 are jank in so many ways. And I don't mean glitches, but just weird, bad design.
>all Fire and Dark moves are Special, all Fire and Dark types are geared toward Physical attacking
>vice versa for Ghost, which doesn't work in gen 1 anyways

>>9203135
The physical/special split in gen 4 fixed that and it's my favorite change that happened in the series. Though I'm sure people here are gonna whine at me for saying this because everything after gen 3 is the devil.

>>9195747
Are any of these real? lol

>>9196237
Get a lvl 14 Pinsir or Scyther. That's the safest way and after couple tries you should get it.

>>9203135
the dark thing is correct except that houndoom exists, the fire thing is not correct at all. are you think of ghosts being geared towards special while ghost being physical?

>>9202273
The special stat is fun because its like a single, arcane stat. No one is sure what to make of it but most Pokemon rely on physical moves and Attack/Defense but Special can equalize a Pokemon like Charmander against an Onix.
People take varied movesets and STAB as a right but in Gen 1 its more like a privilege.

>>9193015
Story fags like you ruined video games. Fuck yourself dumbass.

>>9193141
Blue team is coolest

>>9203435
stop acting white. Story didn't ruin games, competetive shit, the console embargo in china/korea resulting in PC bullshit ruined games.

>>9203269
what is this?

>>9200735
I'm not white and my folks aren't from this country.
So weeb doesn't apply.

>>9203732
You're Hispanic, so you are born into it.

>>9203780
nope try again.

>>9203394
It wasn't till gen 3 we got ghost pokemon that could be geared towards physical. Dark-Ghost should have been flipped. Dark phys and ghost spec. The fire thing became true later, but not so much in gen 1 or 2 even. Plenty of special based pokemon had high atk in gen 1, like kingler or victrebel, they did it for variety.
>>9203189
I whine and complain because they needed to actually fix the type chart. The split didn't fix those issues, it was a way to address them without touching their precious type chart. Small stuff could have helped, ice resist flying, bug resist psychic, water weak to posion and so on. They refuse to update it and tweak so... hurr durr, phys/spec split.

>>9203730
I'm pretty sure that's a translation of the pitch Satoshi Tajiri made for 'Capumon'. Basically trying to sell the whole niche case Pokemon would have in nintendo's lineup.

>>9203394
>the fire thing is not correct at all
Rapidash, Flareon, Arcanine, Magmar
I shouldn't have said 'all', you're right.

>>9204489
Also idk how I forgot Entei and Ho-Oh, those are the ones that bug me most

>>9195880
The problem with your theory is that Cubone is even more of a shitmon.
https://www.smogon.com/dex/rb/pokemon/raticate/
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https://www.smogon.com/dex/rb/pokemon/marowak/
PU

>>9204525
He was planning ahead for GSC, where Marowak is OU

>>9192803
>dont compare to what was the first Pokemon

First Pokémon was trash.

>>9204525
You fucking maroon he is trying to complete the Pokedex so he's going to catch at least one of every line he can find. He brags to you about having caught 50 different types before *you* can catch 50 different types.

>>9203707
Real cute you fucking spic retard. Kill yourself.

>>9204134
You're changing your story now. Type matchups have nothing to do with your complaint here >>9203135, which WAS fixed by making every type have both physical and special attacks.
Also it's not true that they never change the type chart, they changed it quite a bit between gens 1 and 2 because gen 1 had some weird shit like bug and poison being strong against each other. They changed it again a little in gen 6 to nerf steels.

>>9204906
Well it's not my story... cause >>9203135 wasn't me. I was just also chiming in. Type match-ups weren't fixed by the split though was kind of my point. They've changed it very very little from 1-6. They "corrected" things from 1-2, as psychic was immune to ghost in 1 and so on. Then as I recall it wasn't still fairy came along they finally nerfed steel, but nothing in the swings and ways what types need. Grass has 5 weaknesses, that's absurd.

>>9193359
The anime was pretty terrible. Ash is an incredible retard that releases his Pokemon constantly and refuses to catch ones that only he has the chance to, yet claims he is going to complete the Pokedex to become a Pokemon Master. Gary is one of the few good characters in that show.