/vr/ - Retro Games

I still need to play it since I've been covering SEGA CD games all year. I've heard it's one of the best

Have a pity bump.
I didn't like snatcher when I played it 10 years ago. It's a glorified visual novel.
I also dislike all Kojima games that I tried because the gameplay is mediocre at best. I don't want cinematics and dialogues. I want gameplay.

>>9181920
Nobody plays visual novels/graphic adventure games for the gameplay you retard.

>>9181920
I'm still pissed Konami cancelled the sequel but let him develop Policenauts for 4 years

>>9181850
Should've got a Saturn and PS1 port.

>>9181996
Snatcher was going to get a sequel?

>>9181998
Snatcher is on PS1 and Saturn but Japan only

>>9182001
Shit, I forgot.

>>9182001
No source BUT they planned a 5 act story to span between at least 2 games. First one was released on PC with 2 acts and a cliffhanger ending but Konami scrapped the sequel because Snatcher's development took too long. But they were ok with a JRPG remake (for some reason) so SD Snatcher came out. Story was changed in small parts and the ending was extended, though storytelling was a lot simpler than the main game. And when they decided to do console ports they included an even more cut down version of SD's ending as the third act that still ends on a cliffhanger, with Gillian heading to Moscow to stop Snatcher manufacturing.

>>9182001
>>9182012
It's a sucky ultra censored version on both though. CD version has censored nudity but the gore is cranked up.

I like the story a lot but I'm put off from replaying it because I was so bad at the shooting. Same with Policenauts. Was there a way to make it a little easier? I remember Policenauts had autoaim but I was still bad lol. I just don't have the reflexes for twitch gameplay, I like turn based strategy games.

>>9182037
so I take it the ending of the sega cd version ends on a cliff hanger that will never be resolved?

>>9181996
the game doesn't really need a sequel
in fact it didn't even need act 3
fun game though, but come on this sequel business is unnecessary

>>9182050
>the game doesn't really need a sequel in fact it didn't even need act 3
I agree, original ending left more to the imagination. Act 3 really feels like what Kojima was doing with MGS later, a lot of useless exposition and hours of cutscenes without interactivity.

I love how most of the story comes off as a red scare narrative until it kinda shoots a blank at the end when the main villain's motive is revealed. It's Invasion of the Body Snatchers crossed with Blade Runner with Terminator looking Snatchers

>>9181850
Didn't think I'd like it
Loved it

>>9182059
Also it's basically cyberpunk Portopia

>>9181920
>It's a glorified visual novel
that's why i like it

>>9182048
It's probably has the most complete ending of all the versions, since there's extra scene (not written by Kojima, but done by the porting/localization team) where Gillian basically gains a harem with Jaime, Mika and Katrina. The PC Engine is kinda ambiguous as to what happens to Mika and Katrina at the end of Act 3, while the PS and Saturn ports they're just kinda there when they see off Gillian and Jaime.

>>9182231
It doesn't really add much aside from getting yurifags wet

>>9181850
It was pretty good, but i didnt think it was as great as people make it out to be, but I didnt play it when it came out.

>>9182231
*Jamie

>>9182068
This

What's the best way to play this for the first time in 2022?

>>9182134
>>It's a glorified visual novel
>that's why i like it

Same here. the game is a visual novel because it was made for a Japanese 8-bit PC that could barely do convincing scrolling. Kojima worked at the home PC division of Konami. The PC-88 and PC-98 seemed to be more centred around visual novels. The MSX 8-bit computers could do more action-y type of things. That's why Metal gear was made for those.

>>9182584
If you speak jap: PC-88 original and/or PC Engine (best one)
If you're EOP: Sega CD (based on PCE but censored + lightgun support) or MSX2 (better music than 88 but looks worse and plays slower), SD Snatcher is good too if you tolerate JRPGs
avoid PS1/Saturn

>>9181996
>but let him develop Policenauts for 4 years
It was only 4 years in planning. Actual development of the NEC PC-9821 version only took two years and it started immediately after Kojima was done with the PC Engine version of Snatcher.

>>9182638
Why should i avoid ps1?

>>9183203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MALFrpqJiyc

>>9183280
Oh no, a totally skippable opening cutscene.

>>9183203
>>9183280
Also censorship and generally lifeless or just plain unfitting sounding music.

>>9182050
Nice artwork

>>9183390

>>9183431
I never understood Marc Laidlaw's (no relation to the Half-Life guy) autistic obsession with matching things up with the Sega CD localization of Snatcher, even when there's no reason to. Like he changed the year of the Snatcher calendar from 2042 to 2047 in order to match up the updated year in the Sega CD version, but that particularly piece of Snatcher memorabilia was only released in Japan. There was never any U.S. Snatcher calendar that used the 2047 date.

>>9181850
There used to be a fan made trailer that went through the entire game on YouTube that's been in my mind rent free for years that I can't find anymore. There's others on YouTube but they're not quite what I remember, this was however about 12 years ago.

>>9182584
Mega CD
accept no substitutes

>>9181850
I love it.

>>9183431
Lol

>>9182041
>CD version has censored nudity but the gore is cranked up.

The censorship wasn't as bad as people say it is. I own a copy of snatcher for the sega CD, I have played it many times. I have never played the PCE-CDROM version. Only watched it in a Youtube video for comparison, A teenage girl gets bumped up to legal age, so Konami wouldn't be struck down for supporting soft core paedophilia. There is a bit of nudity cover up. There's a death of an animal that was toned down (for PETA). But overall, the Sega CD version isn't that badly censored. In a few cases, the artists went and made the Sega CD version gorier. I guess they realised Mortal Kombat really opened up graphic murders. The Sega Saturn and Playstation 1 ports mosaic the graphic scenes, and the Playstation 1 version has the same sexual censorship that the Sega CD version has. but the Saturn port actually keeps all of the sexual content from the PCE-CDROM version.

>>9183280

Sadly PS1 version not shown. But it looks pretty close to the Saturn game,

>>9183835

Art changes between versions.

>>9183838
I don't like those faces they added in console versions

>>9183835

>>9183840
>I don't like those faces they added in console versions

It was because of the additional voice acting that the PCE-CDROm and Sega/ Mega CD versions had that the PC originals did not, Some of the expressions are a bit goofy though. Also certain that the Japanese PC originals actually display at a higher resolution than the console ports. So more information is on screen at once. You can see that looking at the 'recruitment poster' in the JUNKER HQ lobby doesn't overlap over the background when you inspect it. >>9183835

>>9182231
>It's probably has the most complete ending of all the versions, since there's extra scene (not written by Kojima, but done by the porting/localization team) where Gillian basically gains a harem with Jaime, Mika and Katrina. The PC Engine is kinda ambiguous as to what happens to Mika and Katrina at the end of Act 3, while the PS and Saturn ports they're just kinda there when they see off Gillian and Jaime.

Jeremy Blaustein has said multiple times in podcasts that Hideo had zero to do with the Sega CD port of Snatcher. Jeremy Blaustein was heavily involved with the project at Konami USA. I think he worked with another translator to iron out the script for English. I have heard a story from someone on Neo GAF that Hideo was unaware of the Sega / Mega CD version. He was surprised when someone showed him a US copy of the Sega CD Snatcher to sign, and Hideo had never seen it before. he was leafing through the manual and such. IDK how true that is though.

>>9183884
I can imagine him typing this lol

>>9183884
>Jeremy Blaustein was heavily involved with the project at Konami USA.
Yes, he was, but the game was still developed by a Japanese team at Konami. Basically everyone except Blaustein and Scott T. Hards (the actual translator, since Blaustein only did rewrites), and probably a few marketing people were Japanese. Even the new story content wasn't entirely written by Blaustein, since they have a Japanese writer co-credited for rewrites.

>>9183926

Jeremy Blaustein may have wrote that himself. here's the audio podcast interview where Jeremy talks about how he was given free reign to write lots of extra facts in JORDAN. But also here, he says that Hideo really had no involvement. Also, apparently Blaustein did work at Konami's office in Tokyo (from the same interview):
https://youtu.be/Zgv8J8fg9WY?t=3573

>>9181850
the only good game that cock sucker Kojima made
PoliceNuts was mediocre and all of the Reddit Gear games are garbage except maybe 3 and Acid 1

>>9184258
I wouldn't take anything Jeremy Blaustein too much at face value, since he likes to take credit for a lot of stuff he didn't do, like introducing the term "HALO jumping" to the MGS series, despite the fact that it's never once used in MGS1 (the only Metal Gear game he ever worked on).

>>9183884
>>9183926
>stein
Probably a liar and a glory thief.
You know how these people are.

>>9184695
Indeed he is. (see also >>9184457)

>>9184310
>Acid 1
Shit taste. Acid 2 was superior in every way.

>>9184920
I never knew Blaustein was such an asshole.

>>9181850
Snatcher just feels so unfinished to me. Like the game just starts to get interesting and BAM its over and "I'm going to moscow lol" is the cliffhanger.

I loved every second of it, other than the repetitive music. Want to give policenauts a try but I've heard a lot of mixed things about it/am too lazy to set up an emulator and download it.

>>9185631
It kinda was, since the original PC-8801 and MSX2 versions ended the game on Act 2, which was meant to be a set-up for a sequel that never got made, so they added Act 3 as a tack-on epilogue.>>9182037

>>9185421
He's a good translator for what its worth, but he also wants people to see him as a creator on his own instead of just the intermediary that he actually was. Admittedly, a lot of people tend to dismiss Guy Cihi's account of things due to his weird beliefs, but all you need to do to realize how petty Blaustein is just listen to the few podcast interviews he has done where he downplays other people's involvement when it comes to the success of the games he worked on while throwing other people on the bus when it suits him (such as the case in Symphony of the Night dub, where he blames the voice director for his shitty screenwriting).

Also, he still has a chip on his shoulder at Kojima for not returning his calls and hiring another translation agency to do all the Metal Gear games after MGS1.

>>9181850
good game, for the 3 hours while it lasts

anyone play the pc engine version? heard the act 3 is mostly cutscenes and there's a porno sidequest that got cut?

>>9185749
>Admittedly, a lot of people tend to dismiss Guy Cihi's account of things due to his weird beliefs,
What are those, and why do people dismiss him because of them?

Sega CD is best overall. I don't like that kike but he did a good job on snatcher and MGS1

>>9185845
He believes in a lot of conspiracy theories from what I understand.
>>9185989
Yeah, but it's not like he was the only guy who worked on those games.

>>9183203
>Why should i avoid ps1?

Really bad graphics and censored up the ass, there is fucking mosaics for the gore scenes.

>>9185845
Because he doesn't think the orange man is bad

>>9185845
>How many of the tests were actual? Zero. The Corona virus that supposedly causes the disease known as COVI19, has yet to be isolated. Despite all the BS computer graphics you have been fed on TV and the Internet, there is no actual scientific evidence of a specific virus. Just like SARS, H1N1, and AIDS, there is no scientific evidence of a virus. It’s all a scam being conducted by the same people (Fauci, Brix, Gates, et al) to sell drugs that poison you and impair your natural immune system. If you want the fake vaccine go right ahead. Enjoy it. But don’t force it on me and my family. My body, my choice!

>>9187060
based no shit giving attitude

>>9187034
>>9187060
>>9187158
The Chad "I don't give a shit if they cancel me, Covid was a scam" Guy Cihi
vs.
The Virgin "I'm good boy who censors games that offends the sensissyblities of my tranny employees" Jeremy Blaustein

>>9185749
Imagine being involved in this one thing in your entire life, and having that one thing define your identity for the rest of your life.
What clout does he even expect to receive for a game that old, that only a small niche of people care about (because the series only got huge after the sequels)?

>>9182046
Tvtropes had this trivia that in the sega CD version doing well at the shooting practice at the beginning sets the higher difficulty. I feel very where you are coming from, I was stuck at shooting section in the middle of the game

>>9187060
Kind of retarded to group in HIV with that, but I'm not exactly going to lose sleep over it, and I don't think that invalidates his experiences and his accounts of events.

>>9188367
He said AIDS, not HIV.

>>9188474
Whatever, my point still stands.

>>9187767
chud*

>>9185421
And how do you know it's not Guy Cihi that's full of shit here? Or that they both are and the truth is somewhere in the middle?

Stop believing everything you read just because it was written in an interview or worse a twitter post.

>>9188775
Didn't they have a different translator from Blaustein's agency handle the script for Silent Hill 3? Seems like evidence that they were hesitant to work with him again.

>>9181850
I wish he made a Metroid game
I wish he made a Xardion remake

>>9181850
Policenauts is better, PC98 versions are the best for all of them, Snatcher is kinda cringe.

>>9181850
lol didn't even get on the US genesis mini. Konami really seems like they want the English version memory holed from their catalog.

>>9181850
It gives big promises in the first act but doesn't deliver. Also only in the first act it has some detective-related gameplay.

>>9185749
>Kaku brags about MGS1 and 2 being localized as "political polemics"
>shits on MGS2 and Kojima in interview and shares assets that reveal her drafts were rewritten dogshit
Konami really knew how to pick their "translators".

>>9182037
Kojima should go full indie and finish the game. It wouldn't take too much skills to make a game such as Snatcher anyway.

>>9182046
Don't emulators have some functionality to slow down games?

>>9182046
>Was there a way to make it a little easier?
Become proficient?
>>9191386
If you're gay, sure?

>>9191395

>>9191318
>spacecuck sim
gross

>>9191454
Snatcher's main humor is literally being a lameoid cuck

>>9191469
Snatcher is more fast paced, it has more memorable characters and places, and a plot focused on discovering the mystery around the snatchers, as opposed to policenauts which sometimes becomes too meta. Otherwise they are very similar, even in humor.

>>9191495
another joke lost in translation

>>9191469
>I gotta help my ex-wife's daughter to find her father
Just pathetic

>>9191503
>"joke"
>literally spells it out because japanese
Can't tell if this is Kojima thinking no one would see the wordplay in the sprite art or the translators being too literal.

>>9191513
It only spells it out if you <<Look>> at it

>>9191503
What's the obscene word?

>>9191597
ちんこ

>>9191352
>Kaku brags about MGS1 and 2 being localized as "political polemics"
Which is actually bullshit if you're not an EOP/
I seriously wonder how much of both, Blaustein's and Kaku's work, were filtered by people who actually knew what they were doing before the finalized scripts. Kaku's earlier MGS2 draft feels like it was written by a teenage Joss Whedon fangirl and I refused to believe MGS1 was translated by the same guy who wrote that awful Symphony of the Night script.

>>9191510
>Say that you didn't finish Policenauts without saying you didn't finish Policenauts.

>>9191879
>Say that you didn't finish Policenauts without saying you didn't finish Policenauts.

>spends half a century developing artificial skin and simping over a frozen girl

>>9192565
A frozen girl who already had a child with another man.

>>9191879
I'm baffled why she has them ending each sentence with OVER like there's a delay in the codec when there isn't, and then she just drops it as the convo progresses. Did she not get or ask for supplemental materials like guidebooks or art? I know she doesn't play games (even shitting on them on her old website) but you'd think someone would've given her a tape or DVD of game footage from the last game to get an idea of how the characters talk.

>>9192620
She also missed out on a lot of callbacks to MGS1 as well in her translation.

>>9192565
>girl marries some CIA chad who just popped up out of nowhere mid project
>artificial skin was already perfected ages ago by his father, so all that work was ultimately for nothing
Imagine getting cucked out of not only the hot girl at work but your life's work as well.

Not really my cup of tea but it is fascinating like I can’t imagine how amazing it was to hear voice acting and to see this coming out of an attachment for the sega genesis at the time it’s kind of like metal gear solid 1 before metal gear solid 1

>>9192620
In the translation documents that Kaku leaked to Hardcuck Gayming 101 a few years there's a lot of back and forth between herself and one of her supervisors (Satoshi Hirano if I recall correctly). It's pretty obvious she never actually played MGS1 because she kept translating 無線機/musenki as radio instead of using Blaustein's choice of "Codec". Incidentally, the only reason why Snake's radio is called a "codec" is precisely because Blaustein didn't recognize 無線 as the Japanese word for radio.

Never understood why she was chained up lol
What were they thinking?

>>9195321
Mika a qt

>>9181850
I wish Hideo made fewer games in general

>>9196371
No one is putting a gun on your head and forcing you to play them.

>>9196371
>I wish Hideo made fewer games in general

Hideo doesn't make that many games. maybe releases a new one ever 4-5 years?