/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
94 PROTONS OF /vr/
Deadline extended, see picture
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===

[8-8]Coppertone Summer Jam 2 for Quake released(Copper for Quake required)
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/coppertone-summer-jam-2.103/

[8-8]The Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here and open for submissions!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1556598386110906369

[8-6]Nostalgia a 32 map megawad was released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130681

[8-4]Giftmarcher releases a surprise Quake 2 map: The Drilling Station 161
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4171

[8-4]Lex Fridman interviews John Carmack for 5 hours
https://youtu.be/I845O57ZSy4

[8-4] Doom Wad Archive is shutting down :(
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130650
https://archive.org/details/wadarchive Archive Backup

[8-3]2 new tools released for BUILD game Legend of the Seven Paladins
https://gitlab.com/build-engine/lotspe The Extracter
https://gitlab.com/build-engine/lotspp The Packer

[8-1] DoomerBoards released Emerald City, a 15 map episode
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2929

[7-31] DNF 2001 gets an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/news/july-update30

[7-30]Jazz Jackrabbit TC episode 3 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-doom-tc/downloads/ultimatejjdep3

[7-29]Retroblazer, an old DarkPlaces FPS project is back
https://www.indiedb.com/games/retroblazer

[7-27]Quakewulf working a Quake 2 25th anniversary project, everyone can join.
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1552412189520273408

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THATS RIGHT THE MASCARA SNAKE

Any of you guys made FMs for Thief? If so post them.

>>9168034
=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
94 PROTONS OF /vr/
Deadline extended, see picture
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/512linesvr

=== NEWS ===

[8-8]Coppertone Summer Jam 2 for Quake released(Copper for Quake required)
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/coppertone-summer-jam-2.103/

[8-8]The Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here and open for submissions!
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1556598386110906369

[8-6]Nostalgia a 32 map megawad was released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130681

[8-4]Giftmarcher releases a surprise Quake 2 map: The Drilling Station 161
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4171

[8-4]Lex Fridman interviews John Carmack for 5 hours
https://youtu.be/I845O57ZSy4

[8-4] Doom Wad Archive is shutting down :(
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130650
https://archive.org/details/wadarchive Archive Backup

[8-3]2 new tools released for BUILD game Legend of the Seven Paladins
https://gitlab.com/build-engine/lotspe The Extracter
https://gitlab.com/build-engine/lotspp The Packer

[8-1] DoomerBoards released Emerald City, a 15 map episode
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2929

[7-31] DNF 2001 gets an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/news/july-update30

[7-30]Jazz Jackrabbit TC episode 3 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/jazz-jackrabbit-doom-tc/downloads/ultimatejjdep3

[7-29]Retroblazer, an old DarkPlaces FPS project is back
https://www.indiedb.com/games/retroblazer

[7-27]Quakewulf working a Quake 2 25th anniversary project, everyone can join.
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1552412189520273408

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>Yeah, this is what I do all day

>>9168034
>My goofy little sprite becomes the new OP
I'm so friggin' proud.

>>9168034
Fishe

>Custom monsters dont drop weapons or ammo
>that means if the map was built around the assumption that you would get most of your ammo from zombies you are shit outta luck

>>9168057
That's when you know two mods don't mix.

>>9168045
Jesus Christ anon, you forgot this post>>9165238

>>9168064
It's always something, isn't it? What's with these OPs lately?

>>9168057
poor Benson keeps running into these mod issues

Still fiddling around with these. It's a lot of fun. I don't know if I have the skill to make entire sprite sheets, though.

>>9168073
>I don't CARE if they're "incompatible!" Make GMOTA work with Brutal Doom, OR YOU'RE FIRED!

>>9168071
i would do the op, but 3 times is enough.

>>9166031
I don't think you're out to character assassinate Carmack but personally I don't care too much about what he does in his personal life as long as he's not raping children or the equivalent. He's a tech wizard but I definitely assumed that he was quirky / socially weird so eh. His involvement with DOOM has ended loooong ago.

Map29 of 512 Linedefs of /vr/. One of my favorites from the wad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAEDo1uFVg

>>9168058
>Term things enough
Poor dude.

>>9168103
Just one map left. Good news is 94p wraps up in 7 days, meaning you won't have to wait long for more /vr/ projects (assuming Chop is better at finishing projects than starting them.)

>>9168080
Technically can be done, it's just stupid, I remember years ago somebody posted screens of them marging GMOTA and Combined_Arms together just because they could.

Are Octabrains the Cacos of Douk? They make a similar noise when they’re killed.

>>9168057
What's the context fool? You can't just say "this mod does a thing :(" and expect us to know what the hell you're griping about.

>>9168137
Just testing several monster replacer mods while cleaning my folder and noticing their zombie/shotgun/machinegunner replacements dont drop ammo, which makes maps with ammo starvation even harder

so far i tested xenomorph madness and Might&MagicV0.8,Duke enemy replacements only drop ammo half the time but the enemies are too spongy

>>9168107
>94 protons wraps up in 7 days
Great to hear. Not Eggplant but I recently started playing 512 Linedefs as well and I've enjoyed the maps so far (I think I'm at map 9 or something) . Tomes & Triggers especially was neat, really liked how it was lending itself to inflicting enemy infighting and also the general look of the library.

Slivovitz Liver Massacre gets a honorable mention for the star-shaped archvile room with the shotgunners and the room that reverses your movement controls .

Before that, I greatly enjoyed 2048 units for it's...not small but compact maps with a lot of detail and reasonably small but tough ambushes and monster count / level length that stays mostly doable saveless. Had to savescum in a few levels but maybe I should've been on HMP first, not UV.

Pistol starting 512 Linedefs maps has been an interesting experience and so is playing mid-level-saveless in general because you take every encounter more seriously and think about not only the immediate fight but also resource management like "should I grab that berserk to heal to full now or wait until I get more wounded ?" etc, the smaller tactical decisions also matter more when you're going to get sent to the beginning of the map.

But the maps being the scope they are, with the monster placements, strengths and amounts they are really accommodate that style of gameplay, I wouldn't personally play multi-hundred enemy slaughter maps that way because well, it'd become tedious. But these smallish, tough maps with a lot of interconnectivity and dynamic fight encounters feel like fun "action puzzles" to solve feel just my speed. And doesn't feel like I'm being "bogged down" because you get to new maps at faster intervals so that also means change of scenery, etc.

>>9168145
>image
Have any mods fixed the wolfenstein SS to have full animation for diagonal movements ? As I understood the ones present in DOOM only have directly front-facing and back-facing animations.
And firing, of course.

>play mod that rewards full clearing enemies
>maps keep bugging out and don`t spawn some of them
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>9168156
i believe there are several monster replacers that add sprites for all the rotations but obviously it replaces the entire doom roster with wolfenstein enemies instead

>>9168076
you tried nipples?

>>9168151
Glad to hear someone's enjoying it more than me. 512 feels like such an "oh yeah, that happened" WAD compared to the rest of the /vr/ projects.

>>9168183
I've yet to play other /vr/ projects besides 2048 units (which was great) , I'm feeling like 512 is some quality quick dooming, "bite-sized" maps that feel like fun challenges when pistol started.

>>9168045
Update for 94 Protons of /vr/:
https://files.catbox.moe/8gaipv.zip
"Peaceful Rest Valley" v4 by donk_konk
MIDI: Forest of Monsters from Super Castlevania IV (https://vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/Cv4-st2.mid))
Tested with DSDA-Doom v0.24.2

One last update for this map, unless I suddenly find something I accidentally broke or a softlock. I made it easier to access the non-death exit on Hard.

Update for 94 Protons of /vr/:
https://files.catbox.moe/4zuo1m.zip
"Peaceful Rest Valley" v4 by donk_konk
MIDI: Forest of Monsters from Super Castlevania IV (https://vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/Cv4-st2.mid))
Tested with DSDA-Doom v0.24.2

One last update for this map, unless I suddenly find something I accidentally broke or a softlock. I made it easier to access the non-death exit on Hard. I deleted the previous post because I posted an older version of the map.

>>9168219
And of course I forget to tag the news post. >>9168045

>>9168049
Two hundred sprites or so to go anon, or so to go...

>>9168064
>>9168071
Chalk it up to the same old fart at play, not the first mishap of mine
How important e-store listings to warrant a place in newsreel anyway? I thought we were all cool sea faring guys, much to the annoyance of corporate fat cats.

>>9168045
Update for 94p
Plutonica v4
https://files.catbox.moe/1yi6am.wad
Added the scrolling face decorations in the first room.
Diversified the trees.
Made the midi louder (still no drum track because I am no composer)
Sprinkled in some extra linedefs to make the revenant pillar rise in case the first one is somehow skipped. Seriously, Chop, I've tested it like 30 times even before adding these and I've never been able to reproduce your inescapable pit scenario.

>>9168058
>hideous released general
>disable shooters don't
>enemy left fucked
>retarded finished hammer

>>9168109
Heh.

>>9168235
it is good to keep check, mainly because we are at quakecon weekend next week.

>>9168263
Eh, quake was remade one day already into Daikatana. I wouldn't expect any worthy contenders.

What are your top 5 megawads? Not including official releases.

Wanna hear some fresh opinions.

https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_10.2.0
>Don't allow strafe and turn at the same time with gamepad (prevent easy SR50).
Is it important?

I need a second machine to compile my Quake maps god damn.

>>9168120
Nah, because a rocket autogibs them and makes them not make the stupid noise.

>>9168286
Struggle
Zone 400
Marswar
Mass Extinction
D2TWID

>>9168290
If lighting is the issue you can use the -threads # argument to stop your CPU from getting raped so hard you can't do anything else while compiling. If it's VIS... well, just git gud with func_details.

>>9168286
I frequently revisit Alfonzone, and Super Mayhem 17 has a really fun theme to it. The SNES textures work really well in Doom, I feel.

>>9168305
marswar is bae

Any good maps or map packs to play La Tailor Girl/Stylish Hell on?
Something more lighthearted/videogamey/colorful or anime of course.

>>9168058
>play vanilla
yup

>>9168383
512 lines

>>9168383
JPCP, DBP44, Running Late 2, Super Mayhem 2017, Overboard

>>9168161
>this gets fixed
>still get paranoid about enemies getting stuck in spawn boxes
>just my imperfect map knowledge, now

Is it possible to raise platform A and B to form a separated stairway to the green line?
I want to make a stairway that assembles via two switches but idk how to do it

>>9168156
The minor sprite fixing project adds in full frames for the SS, and I remember a guy many years ago on ZDF (Untouchable?) making rotations for the rest. I think some of them were finished but I haven't seen them in anything.

>>9168290
If you're only updating entities and not the map geometry itself, you can add arguments for that.

>>9168489
Easily, join A and B to two sectors just off-map that border sectors with the desired height, then use one of the floor raise to nearest height specials.

>>9168496
of fucking course, I forgot I used that same method to make rotating doors in a previous map, ty anon

>>9168286
Valiant
Going Down
Jenesis
JPCP
BTSX

>>9168045
so this went off radar, but Circadian Offset was FINALLY released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/circadian-offset-full-release/news/circadian-offset-full-release

>>9168034
I never played the original Doom before, Is Gzdoom the best method and what everyone roles with now?

>>9168286
i suppose speed of doom, extermination day, dark encounters, community chest 4, nova 3. but i`m also new school as fuck.

Beginning work on Ad Mortem part deux

>>9168585
crispy doom for authenticity
DSDA doom for most custom levels because the original doom engine can't handle the features in custom maps
GZdoom is for playing with mods

>>9167332
>>9167384
No Turok multiplayer deathmatch? Those games were pretty popular with my siblings and I. I remember using the big cheat code to unlock all the cheats+level warp during a multiplayer match, then warping to a singleplayer level, and playing co-op through some campaign levels in Turok 2.

>>9168156
>And firing, of course
Why would they need it, they only ever fire directly at the player.

Finally getting close to being able to call my wad done, just gotta allow level exit and I can start doing full playtests.
Stuck on picrel though, the texture is transparent in the editor and I compared the texture to others used in the og doom maps and they don't seem different.
How come this window isn't a window?

>>9168383
cute image

>>9168740
editor view for additional context, green line is the window, there's a window texture on both sides but no mid textures on the linedefs on either side

I think Doom II itself is one of the best Doom II WADs. I've been playing it again and it really is well-designed if you're not a bitch. I like it more than Doom 1 even.

ok I have a big problem with prboom+. the mouse movement is weird. it doesn't feel like a 1:1 which is what I'd get from gzdoom/skulltag/etc.

I turned acceleration all the way down and it still feels off

>Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil:
https://mega.nz/file/BzxyGBBZ#cHtxsid-0wpeFltrPAYCStiwYCXshndXUCfOEXSP7gs

Wasn't there supposed to be another link with Doom 3 files too? This looks like only the ROE files

>>9168585
GZDoom is basically fine for anything but you have to change some settings to actually make it look and play sort of like Doom is supposed to

Software mode sector lighting, banded SW lightmode on, pixel fuzz, classic transparency, unbinding the jump and crouch buttons and turning off mouselook, etc
And turn off the fucking ugly texture filtering

tried my best and got through 1-5 but I still can't beat map 6 and I'm only playing on HMP. why must wads always be too hard for me?

Is any of those DOOM shovelware discs actually good? Like a diamond in the rough? Have any favorites?

What is the consensus on the Turok games?

>>9168781
I think I AM TUROK!!!!

Ad Mortem started on the 28th of this month. Although Vaeros expressed interest in adding more maps for 2022, he still shows no signs of life despite the original starting date being so imminent. If he does not show up by the 27th, then I will happily finish what was started and lead it myself.

>>9168746
still no luck on this, I tried fiddling with gzdoom settings to see if it was that but nothing changed.
I tried to put down a mid texture elsewhere to see if the problem persisted and it did but it only shows full black at certain angles.
Don't know what the fuck I did for this to happen

>>9168759
Anon, it's okay to save when doing the first playthrough.

>>9168064
I'm not even surprised that my post is being forgotten.
>>9168235
I would say they're mostly relevant, be it that specific news or (for example) Chasm: The Rift getting a Steam page. News like that tend to put older games in the spotlight, which is usually a good thing.

>>9168830
What nodebuildee did you use?

>>9168749
Yes it's not as bad, as people claim it to be. People tend to compare it to modern like Ancient Aliens and Valiant, and of course it seems bland then. But as an 90s wad, it's really the best ones. Actually it's gameplay hasn't aged that badly either. There's no bad elements such as switch hunts or grindy gameplay. Difficulties are balanced, maps aren't too linear, secrets are well placed and flow of gameplay is great.

>>9168842
ZenNode

>>9168846
I think ZenNode is pretty old, try something else.
Also, you show those pictures, but obscure the relevant part - is this middle texture at all?

>>9168896
I'll try a different nodebuilder then, not sure why that would change things
Also yes that is a mid texture, so is the original picture I posted

>>9168896
Still the same problem, despite trying like 5 different nodebuilders

>>9168913
Can you share your wad so we wouldn't have to play guessing game?

>>9168923
Sure, the map in question is map3
https://anonfiles com/TaTcz933y3/Sprout_wad

Doom 64 chaingun is cooler than the original.

>>9168978
most things in doom 64 are cooler than the original minus a few enemies

>>9168982
>minus a few enemies
Which ones don't pass the cool test?

>>9168974
Since when does anonfiles ask me to install an extension? I don't want to.

>>9168998
beats me anon, I didn't get any kind of extension prompt when I went on it

>>9168990
arachnatron looks a lot gayer, cyberdemon is larger and more threatening but doesnt look nearly as creepy, lost souls, prolly about it. imps and pinkies are a major upgrade IMO, zombie men and knights/barons are mostly the same just a bit more well defined, caco and pain elemental are roughly on par but id say a bit creepier

>>9168974
No idea what the problem is, works on my machine, but this also looks different than the mid-texture grate you showed before. Here it's on the "outer" linedef instead of the middle.

>>9168974
Ok, I managed to get around it, must be some kind of ad. It looked fine. I added another line since you see to have moved it compared to other screenshots but it still looked fine.

>>9169016
yeah that's because I was testing to see if that made a difference, which it didn't
I'll put it back to the middle while I try the other nodebuilders again but I don't expect much change

>>9169019
>>9169016
okay I have determined that it is something about gzdoom as I just tested on crispy and chocolate and both work fine
What settings in gzdoom could affect texture transparency?

>>9169006
Original caco still better. He basically became pain elemental while pain elemental got a cool new design. I would have liked to see them make the zombie men look more like a soldier or marine with a helmet and gear or suit. I also don't think arachnatron looked bad but not sure I'd prefer it over original design.

>>9169027
>What settings in gzdoom could affect texture transparency?
No idea. What renderer are you using, anyway?
Also, just looked, I use ZDBSP - Normal (no reject) as nodebuilder.

>>9169047
I cycled through every renderering api and no change
changed video mode to anything that wasn't true color sw and it fixed it immediately
I have no idea what it is about that render mode that fucks transparent textures for me but whatever

>>9168286
JPCP
Auger;Zenith
Kama Sutra
HFFM
Hacx

>>9168632
>>9168809
been absent for a minute. what's the status of Ad Mortem? Are yall doing a separate part 2 or is this going to be an update that adds onto the existing WAD?

>>9168383
Running Late 2 is a good one
as is JPCP
Hellbound is funnily pretty good for LTG due of its good city maps but its not theme wise too lighthearted
Sunlust is pretty colourful but its sunlust so...
Skulltiverse also works nice for some reason
Alfonzone is basically the type that should hit all the marks

Is System Shock Infinite recommendable?

Why is this liquid white

>>9169227
it's my fault

>>9168286
Obvious ones like BTSX and Valiant. A lot of the vanilla flavoured WADs kinda blend together for me. However, I recently (over the past year or so) greatly enjoyed Requiem (with the enhanced soundtrack) and 2002ADO, which is an Ultimate Doom one.
>>9168749
The only thing Doom has over Doom II is E1 and some of E2. I prefer all of Doom II over the rest of the episodes in the original.

>>9169241
Oh, for got to mention No End in Sight, I thought that one was really great too.

what mod is a useful reference on how zscript is used in practice?
can you do a 100% zscript-weapons mod without using DECORATE? I'm somewhat confused how to address sprites and the like in Zscript-classes.

>>9168045
Quakespasm-Spiked got updated yesterday (2022-August-11), apparently. No idea what are the changes though.
https://fte.triptohell.info/moodles/qss/

>>9169338
Zscript is basically just a mightier DECORATE.
Any decorate actor can completely be replaced by a zscript class.
The ZDoom wiki has a few articles on how to convert decorate to zscript and all the actor definitions have both the zscript and decorate code in their respective articles.
That said, HDest shows what is possible with zscript just through code alone.
For an easier example, I'm going to shill you a shitpost mod I made some time ago to practice zscript
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=69764

>>9169373
I will study your shitpost closely. Thanks for the help.

>>9169161
I beg you I need the full pic please for fap purposes

I saw a video of some guy playing a wad in what looked like Chocolate or Crispy Doom and he made a save and it just automatically filled in the level name instead of having to type a save name manually, how do you do that

>>9169424
Just save without typing anything.

>>9169429
Can't believe I never tried that

>>9168305
>Marswar
My man

>>9169227
Its cum. Throw your lewd anime slut into it and get her nice and covered.

Is there a mod that just adds simple alt-fires to all the vanilla weapons? Stuff like shooting a single barrel from the SSG or a railgun blast from the plasma rifle?

>>9168495
I'm adding lighting to my map. I'm considering breaking it up into chunks and compiling smaller sections and bundling it back together

i played gotcha today and the spidermastermind actually won against the cyberdemon
i thought that was interesting

>>9169475
Speaking of which, has anyone ever made a map that had such a Gotcha! encouter as secret?
Like, you either face one or the other with low resources, but the secret allows you to bring them together or something and have them duke it out before you lap up the remains?

>>9169234
You're amazing

>>9168749
the hate tends to be really exaggerated, and on replay, i tend to actually like it more.
>>9168759
use saves
>>9168753
DSDA feels different, but i never had that problem, maybe check mouse settings?

>>9169227
https://youtu.be/j0lN0w5HVT8

Feels like I should at least ask him first before doing that.

>wad missing intermission map
Sorry, but it will never be 10/10.

>>9169570
Good thing I have four of them, lmao.

>>9169576
any mods that figured out how to customize placements of those blood splatters on the map?

>>9169583
I don't think it's possible. Only option to move sprites around is offset, but it will affect any of reused sprites. You can move them all together, but you can't move them separately.

Or you just do whatever nonsense you can in gzDoom. UMAPINFO lets you use static images, which is OK substitute, but subtle animations are gone.

>>9168058
>Doom nigger
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

By the way, if you decide to play Heretic/Hexen, please remember that crouching was not in the game originally and if you use that function to get into places you can find yourself very stuck. Please be careful.

>>9168058
nice cool map quake

Anyone has video link of Mod for doom that recreates Baroque the sega saturn RPG on doom engine? I can't seem to find it.

The guidelines for the Quake 2 25th anniversary collaborative UNIT is here! Image related. Also check the spreadsheet for participation signups, where upon request access shall be granted (seems I cannot directly link spreadsheets here?):
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1558056148795887618

>>9168034
Does anybody know if it's possible to beat original Doom on nightmare? I know it's a "joke setting" but just wondering if it's at least THEORETICALLY possible.

>>9168034
>>9168045
94 Protons Of /vr/
For those interested, go for broke! From August 11th to September 12th

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.9.6 (now works in Woof)
>PROTDECO16 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD
>A collection of MIDIs for mappers to use.
Please stake a claim on a MIDI you've settled on so that we don't get doubles, also, you are not restricted to the MIDIs in the folder, feel free to use one you sourced/made yourself.
If the assets update, I'll reply to this post stating so.

Slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Claimed (?)
>E2 Boss Level: Discuss
Are you interested in making an E2 boss level, do you have anything special in mind, or would you be ok with a modified Icon Of Sin battle?

>Optional Hunted style map: Unclaimed
We could have up to two of these if there's the interest for it. Feel free to be playful with the concept of an Arch-Vile labyrinth.

>Optional Dead Simple map: Finished
>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Discuss
One suggestion for a larger city level was that we all take turns designing parts for it. How would we best go about this?

>Secret slaughter map, ala Go 2 It: Discuss
Multiple ideas has been suggested. One cool idea was to use an existing /vr/ map as a base and slaughterifying it, is anyone interested in this, and do they have further suggestions for a suitable candidate? Someone else suggested another approach, mind that we could have two secret slaughter maps if we wanted to.

Current Submissions: 16 Maps!

To Do:
>M_DOOM (something styled after Plutonium in the periodic table)
>ENDOOM
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000
>Possibly rework the Death Exit effects somehow

Reply to this post with submissions or questions.

>>9169662
Nope, totally impossible. Same thing with Ultra Violence

>>9169665
Haha that explains why I could never beat E1M3 on UV. So does that mean original Doom is still harder than all existing WADS?

>>9169662
Knee Deep In The Dead: https://youtu.be/ZytseuWZHvk

The Shores Of Hell: https://youtu.be/C3uxUSfj2fY

Inferno: https://youtu.be/kVxkkg6aLFg

Thy Flesh Consumed: https://youtu.be/_MMqKBY_7gM

Hell On Earth: https://youtu.be/9seMu5mSYWw

Evilution: https://youtu.be/Yg9yIsSj-yU

The Plutonia Experiment: https://youtu.be/EUBUYWIZUpE

>>9168781
The first few games were good. The PC ports of 1&2 are good. It was a good series until the N64/PSX gen was over and then it fell off. I THINK there was one OKAY Turok (Evolution or something maybe?) during the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox gen, but then the one from the 360/PS3 gen was some weird generic shit fps shit that was really common at the time. A lot of Turok fans seem to like 1&2 the most.

>>9169678
Yeah but I mean an actual playthrough, not some programmed TAS

>>9168219
>>9168250
Noted.

>>9168781
I’ve only finished the first one. It was alright, like a Donkey Kong FPS.

>>9169663
>up to September 12th
more time to procrastinate on my map heh heh

>>9169663
Any finished levels somebody wants me to play test?

>>9169707
They're all in the mega, aren't they?

>>9168632
NOICE

>>9169707
You're free to playtest the ones submitted, and welcome to, I think they're sick as fuck. Let me just update the folder in the Mega for the last two updates.

>>9169713
Cool let me know when you're done

>>9169687
No, sorry. Only robots are allowed to ignore enemies.

>>9169718
Now, takes just a few seconds.

>>9169687
Those aren't TAS.

>>9169662
Of course it is possible.
Now beating Scythe 2 or Speed of Doom on Nightmare would be a good question.

>>9169745
Scythe 2 might just be doable NM, but that's up there with Plutonia NM, only a couple of people ever will actually be able to do it.

>>9168781
a solid 6-7.5/10, but really nothing more.
also its really easy (probably due to being balanced around the N64), but that may be the reason why my enjoyment was low (i don't use controller for classic fps).
the KEX port is really nice though.

>>9168235
>I thought we were all cool sea faring guys
Actually buying games when they're conveniently available incentivizes more of them being made available. I only really support grabbing games for free when it's the only realistic means to get ahold of a game or the commercially available version is a shitty one.

>much to the annoyance of corporate fat cats
Childish line of thought.

>>9169241
This drawing makes the doomguy look like a One Piece character

>>9168408
>>9168413
>>9169161
Alfonzone, DBP44 and Super Mayhem 2017 seem to hit the mark and maybe Running Late 2 so ty anons
I'll try 512 lines for shits and giggles after a normal playthrough of it

>>9169653
post this on the news >>9168045

>>9169161
If you can find it, the mod-friendly version of Doom Vacation.

>>9169368
the previou build was based on qs 0.94.2
the current one has caught up with 0.94.7

I'll spare you the changelog dump

>>9168045
are 100mins and 200mins worth checking out, or should I start directly with 300mins?

>>9169816
Yes

>512 Lines - Public Castration Is A Good Idea
Yeah, this one really castrated me publicly. I am still not a fan of slaughter because I just find it tedious, but this one had an additional element of vileness to it when one of those fucking assholes started blasting me from within the lava dollar and I just couldn't see him. Got me good, ngl. Also, fuck you if the plasma rifle was an archvile jump secret.

>>9168109
You’ve seen the new video of Gaiden?
https://youtu.be/DX2qfznH0u8

>>9169816
200 yes, 100 no.

>>9169123
The latter, as well as polishing existing maps in the set.

>>9169925
>as well as polishing existing maps in the set.
Is that a wish or did anyone actually say they want to improve their map?

>>9169616
>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
interesting

>512 Lines - Shirikodama Salad
Cramped and interesting. Didn't bother with fighting the Cyberdemons and just made a beeline for the switches; didn't bother with the meatballs either.

>>9169951
>>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
>Interesting
Yes, I think so. I was considering this point whilst playing Hexen as a cleric and smashing a nigger horde of ettins with the old mace of nigger contrition. It occurred to me as I was smashing this nigger horde how niggardly these nigger npcs behave. Of course I was playing on cardinal difficulty, not the hardest but still, you would expect these niggers to provide some resistance. Terrible nigger AI to be quite honest. Fucking ettins. Also nigger.

>>9169616
>>>9168058
>>Doom nigger
>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
>
>By the way, if you decide to play Heretic/Hexen, please remember that crouching was not in the game originally and if you use that function to get into places you can find yourself very stuck. Please be careful.
ahhhh ok
I'll keep that in mind anon! :)

>>9169663
I regret not saying earlier but I honestly think the whole death exit/secret exit mechanic for this project is a terrible idea. It makes for a whole bunch of secret content that is completely useless to anyone pistol starting, and more importantly, it implies that we've balanced around continuous play even though we couldn't have since the map order was always undecided and people never even tried communicating their intent for continuous play. I personally just opted to forgo death exits all together since that's how most doom maps work. Maybe it's too late now but I'd encourage anyone still mapping to avoid using the death exits for these reasons.

>>9169990
>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
I, being a nigger mapper, sure cannot wait to take part in Hard Fast Faggot Maps 2: Hard Fast Nigger Maps. nigger

>>9169929
NepNep did say he wants to improve Tricks & Treats. The others, we'll just have to hope for

>>9169998
>>nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger
>I, being a nigger mapper, sure cannot wait to take part in Hard Fast Faggot Maps 2: Hard Fast Nigger Maps. nigger
Can't wait to see what you make

Somone just post the /lit/ screencap of anon's novel already

>>9168034
>nigger nigger nigger
>this shit stays up but i get a 3 day global ban for making fun of the sega saturn
i have no problem with saying and/or hating niggers but man, talk about a double standard

>play corruption cards
>see the "reset card" card
>hey why not use it?
>end up with hell nobles that shit random projectiles (including rockets) and burn you if you look at them
>along with cacos that spew smoke bombs and occasionally turn into sentries
>think this is alright
>megawad immediately throws tight corridors and slaughter arenas with nothing but hell nobles and cacos at me
>get assfucked by rocket-spamming and vision-burning hell knights/barons in constant vision-obscuring smoke

>>9170024
The Doom thread is a holy sanctuary. Feel at peace here, my brother (nigger).

>>9170030
i've been banned for saying nigger in doom gen before so dont be surprised when a tranny with a bad attitude eventually ruins the fun

>>9168286
Mutiny
Dreamcatcher Apparatus
Speed of Doom
Plutonia 2
Running Late 2

>>9169412
https://i.imgur.com/9akCXuK.png

>>9170036
There's a difference between saying nigger and spamming that shit in order to manipulate the word cloud because you're an obviously underaged faggot.
The turkeyknob dude already failed with trying to force his and nothing prevents word cloud anon from just removing all the "nigger" mentions from the next one.
Also, burying all other posts under a constant barrage of dumb spam really puts me in a bad mood.

>>9170026
Corruption Cards would be more enjoyable if it rewarded the player with some small buffs if he chooses intentionally hard / extra horrible cards.

The best Doom movie isn't even a Doom movie

>>9170052
It wasn't funny.

>>9170040
>BUUB

>>9169923
100 is short enough that it might be fun for a look imo. I remember a few decent maps.
An hour and a half isn't much time to make anything in tho.

>>9170054
Correct.

>>9169816
200 is a pretty mixed bag and doesn't even replace most of the music, 300 is much more consistent. Don't remember much about 100, but it's only about 10 maps long.

>>9170061
>when the Gellar field fails

Any nigger in this thread actually play the megaman servers? They seem really popular but never get mentioned here. In my own opinion they're alright, but I'm not big into megaman so it doesn't have much appeal for me. What are your thoughts on these wads?

>faggot mods ban any dissent
like clockwork

where can I find the sources for half-life, blood and blood 2, shadow warrior, duke 3D, etc. explosion graphics? I assume from stock graphic CDs but not sure where to look.

>>9168104
He seems fine. Time has passed and he's into other projects. He was making an rpgmaker game last I saw, after playing them on stream for years. The sprites and tiles he made were pretty ace.

>>9170065
Sup, nigger. It's an eye grating mess. I get the appeal, but it's not for me so no.
Doom DM in general is usually a clusterfuck because everyone is skating around at 60 mph and the maps are always made for 8 people at most. People just need to make bigger DM maps for more players.

>>9170045
>nothing prevents word cloud anon from just removing all the "nigger" mentions from the next one
For the record, I'd just like to say that I've never gone out of my way to prevent certain words from appearing on the cloud and have no interest in doing so either.

>>9170067
modern 4chan(nel) is reddit lite. Nigger mods are known transvestites paid by the World Economic Forum to manipulate social discourse and advance their nigger transhumanist agenda. Can't even handle a couple of silly posts.

>>9170068
Duke Nukem 3D sourced its explosions from an asset CD named Pyromania.

>>9170063
200 was our first go back in 2014.
Some good ones in there, but iirc the first few maps start out rough.
300 and 400 are much more consistently good.
I think 200 is a good time limit, but many of us were inexperienced at the time. Which is fine, that was kinda the point of getting everyone together. Just like make map.

>>9170084
Yeah, there's much more talented people here now, makes me wonder what a map set with the same restriction would produce. Maybe we could start 200 Minutes of /vr/ & Knuckles down the line to find out.

>>9170074
I thought so, I think you're right and frankly I wouldn't care if nigger came up first in the word cloud, provided it happened organically, but dumb underage faggots shitting up the thread with their dumb underage faggot spam shouldn't be tolerated, no matter what they are trying to force.

>[Deleted]
Oh come on have a laugh UAC.....
If anyone's looking for a good .wad to use the Ashes Weapon Pack on Emerald City was really fun with it and it fits the overgrown post apoc city thing going on.
The monster pack is a little crazy so I just stuck with the vanilla enemies.

>>9170065
It's an unsaid rule to completely ignore and suppress MM8BDM, no matter how amazing fun and impressive it is. People have been asking almost FOR DECADES NOW to fucking include it in the OP pic and it STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE FFS.

>>9169767
Ok, helping you to direct it towards the news now.

Here: >>9168045

>>9170090
Agree, the beauty with Hard Fast Faggot Maps and Gay Nigger Cock Commando was that they generated by chance, with no kind of manipulation or forced memes.

>>9170073
Yeah, a lot of work has gone into them by these dedicated niggers but it really does look like the visual form of nails on a chalk board. I like the design consistency at least and I think we could learn a lot from the efforts of these niggers. Honestly, I'd love to see something similar but not megaman. "All Out War" is a great game too but it's a little too ambitious quite frankly. Feels like they've tried to push the engine to its limits for better or worse.

>>9170093
I sometimes remember that MM8BDM still is not in OP pic and spend like 10 minutes in genuine disbelief - especially given how much irrelevant shit they have there taking space instead.

The guy who does this pic is either a total fucking moron or super lazy

>>9170040
God damn she is STACKED

>>9170093
Yeah I always thought it was a bit strange as it is consistently the most played nigger game on Zandronum but it is completely absent from our threads here and it's like some sort of cursed nigger subject nobody shall ever name for whatever reason. I've sunk quite a few nigger hours on those servers even though I'm not fond of megaman in general because they're generally just really well made wads.

>>9170079
I'm having some trouble finding a place to download the ISOs, nothing on archive dot org and their website is dead + results being cluttered with a def leopard album of the same name

>>9170065
MM8BDM is okay but it's not what kept me coming back to Zandronum for the last 10 years, to say the least.

>>9170141
Shit's overplayed too, it feels like there's a server running every hour of the day. The playerbase is full of obnoxious faggots too, evident by recent posts ITT.

>>9170147
>The playerbase is full of obnoxious faggots too, evident by recent posts ITT.
>> that indirect pussy shot
What's obnoxious about asking to include one of the hugest (if not the hugest) total conversions with a huge and loyal fan base? Especially when it's not being done either out of sheer laziness and apathy or as a form of trolling?

>>9170079
>>9170131
You know, oldschool asset packs wouldn't be a bad thing to have included in the OP - for making sprites and whatnot.

>>9170151
Do it yourself if it's so important to you

>>9170156
yes please

>>9170061
Doom 3 takes itself more seriously than this movie, even with Betruger.

Did the original Doom give you a counter for kills, even if only in the automap? Or is that a source port feature?

I seem to remember that you only ever got feedback about anything in the end-screen with the %'s, but I could be wrong

>>9170176
I think it's a port feature.
It didn't notify of secrets either.

>>9170176
No.

>>9170065
I have no idea what mm8bdm is actually like and I never will, because my only experience with it was cut extremely short by visuals that actively hurt to look at. I don’t know how anyone can stomach it for an extended amount of time, but the servers have been a mainstay on zandronum for years, so judging by the mod’s subject matter, and the usernames in these servers, the player base is insulated and comprised of people I’d rather not associate with.

>>9170179
>>9170180
Thanks anons

>>9170176
>Did the original Doom give you a counter for kills, even if only in the automap? Or is that a source port feature?
Port feature, same with the secret found sound. The most useful feature in the automap - marking it - is native to the game.

>>9170176
Nope.

These Babel reloads can get pretty autistic but I don't know if it's actually more efficient to K-Style your shotguns over just firing normally

>>9170193
I mean technically the way I use it is to swap in a shotgun blast either before or after using something like the chaingun or SMG. In terms of sheer DPS, you don't really gain much by swapping in the long term since reloads are conserved. What it lets you do is temporarily spike your damage output at the cost of later making it up with reload time.

>>9170193
It’s more of a situational thing, like switching to the single shotty if a caco happens to survive two double barreled blasts. It takes more of a Quake approach to switching as opposed to the new Dooms or Half Life because Babel doesn’t cancel and backpack reload your shotguns.
The reg shotgun spread is also tighter as well as dealing half the damage of the super rather than a third.

>>9168037
FAST AND BULBOUS! ALSO, A TIN TEARDROP

>>9170206
>The reg shotgun spread is also tighter as well as dealing half the damage of the super rather than a third.
I know that much, makes me more bummed than usual when a map only gives the SSG
but archviles being able to conjure shotguns (and their gunners) out of thin air does solve that

>>9170215
You know, I never actually realized that when I was thinking about the summon ability. Might have to add a compat switch to disallow it in case of severe autism about weapon drops. I was actually thinking about adjusting how the summons work anyway, since the 6-summon limit does little to prevent the AV from spamming if you get unlucky.

>>9170215
>I know that much, makes me more bummed than usual when a map only gives the SSG
The map doesn’t have a regular shotgun pickup, or have shotgunners placed to drop it? Sounds like a map that’s going to throw something worthy of the super shotty if I’m being honest, or sees no need to give you one if there’s a nearby chaingun.

>steam revisioning history by changing Ultimate Doom name and pretending it always had four episodes
yikes

>>9170184
And even then, marking the map was buggy.

I don't want to be mean-spirited towards other mappers, but why are 99% of ZDoom maps so garbage? It's like no one has any mapping fundamentals in the ZDoom mapping space.

>>9170248
there was a theory that zdoom mapping is stuck in 1994.

>>9169810
Oh, alright. I'm going to assume that there're no QSS-specific changes, but it's been a long time since I used this port anyway. My lazy ass only rarely opened up the re-release for Deathmatch matches on The Edge against bots.

>>9170248
>It's like no one has any mapping fundamentals in the ZDoom mapping space.
That's exactly what it is. ZDoom gives you a lot of features, which leads to inexperienced mappers constantly reinventing the wheel and going full retard with features while forgetting the basics of what makes a good map. Additionally, vanilla/boom's mapping scene has its own "masters" that everyone draws inspiration from. Doom's mapping scene has Plutonia, Memento Mori 1/2, Alien Vendetta, Scythe 1/2, which have practically inspired every map in some shape or form. You can think of them as the Doom equivalents of Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, and so on. ZDoom's mapping scene doesn't have any such equivalents, there is no "master" that set the standards that everyone derives and learns from.
I will say that there are good ZDoom maps, but they're usually by authors who already have a resume in vanilla/boom mapping and know the basics of what makes a good map.

>>9170250
Here you go pal

>>9168235
>I thought we were all cool sea faring guys, much to the annoyance of corporate fat cats.
Sort of. I bought final doom on steam for like $5 in 2009 just to help id out and ever since I just download the game off of archive.org when I want to install it. I'm not installing steam.

So while I do pirate the game I TECHNICALLY own it anyways.

>>9170131
>>9170156
Typing "pyromania explosion asset cd 1990s" revealed this

https://archive.org/details/ronthorntondigitalfxcollection

>On this CD there are six completely surfaced objects, twelve fully animated scenes with special effects, particle animation sequences, Photoshop & Particle Storm tryout versions, and PYROMANIA! explosion image sequences.

Hope that helps.

Hey all Ashes 2063 / Afterglow fans. I just found the gold security key, got the battery and the parts, now I'm kinda "stuck" trying to find the scavenger from the subway. I've been looking for her on my own for quite some time now and I'd like if someone gave a rough area to look for because while I love me some exploring, I feel like I've been going in circles and I hate being unsure if I've overlooked something or if I'm in a completely wrong ballpark.

Any help is appreciated.

>>9168058
>mmm

>>9170248
Because most of the good mappers are stuck at Boom.
I think it's because the new possibilites frighten them. Why would you use ACS if you could do the same in a more complicated, roundabout way with voodoo dolls.
That and MUH DEMO COMPATIBILITY.

>>9170337
I don't really think the demo compatibility argument applies here since GZDoom is compatible with its own demos. If you wanted to record a demo for a ZDoom map, in GZDoom, then you'd obviously use GZDoom to playback that demo... I think Boom mappers just like making maps within the limitations of Boom, and at most they'll add ACS sound effects or dynamic light sources for GZDoom players.

>>9170330
Go to the flooded district and get to the end part that leads to The Gap....trace back around to the shortcut next to The Gap entrance and go back to the basic subway tunnels with the shortcut ladder
There's a fence you go through taking that path and there's a staircase entrance behind the giant pillar to the left right when you go through the fence cutout.

>>9170293
well it only has a tiny snippet of pyromania but it's at least something, thanks

>>9170348
>I think Boom mappers just like making maps within the limitations of Boom
Has any of these ever ventured into UDMF?
Also, I don't buy that argument with how everyone and their grandma loves MBF21.
If there was an MBF30 or so that had all the features of UDMF (sans zscript maybe) people would love it.
Also, UDMF has lots of QoL features that just make mapping far easier because you don't have to work around the myriad quirks and idiosyncrasies of Boom.

>>9170372
Personally I just feel like if I start making maps for gzDoom, I'll have to use all of the features, and I don't want to, I picked up Doom mapping so I don't have to do rooms over rooms.

>>9169338
Sprites are addressed exactly the same in ZScript. The states block is almost the same, and properties go to the Default block.
However, you can create your own custom methods that get called from the states, and you can override virtual functions that are called when something with the actor happens (every tick, when it spawns, etc.). Variables are also no longer a pain in the ass.

Hey Doomers. Made a new sprite mockup. Nowhere near ready yet, it has basically no fucking shading. But I did this to get the concept/color scheme down. What do you guys thing?

>>9170382
Horns are a little big but that's just my opinion

>>9170382
I like him.

>>9170389
They might be too big, idk. I'm going for a "horns = place in the hierarchy" thing.

>>9170382
he cute

>>9170394
ahhh that makes sense

>>9170394
Horns are fine, but first two look very samey. I thought they were meant to be 2 versions of the same guy. As different guys they need some more differences.

>>9170376
Huh, interesting take. I have no problem making a "vanilla" map in UDMF, and the extended tagging and texture control are so comfortable I wouldn't want to miss them.
But then again, I also noticed that I have a much easier time mapping in 3D than in 2D because I think very 3D in my imagination.

>>9170394
If you're doing the bigger horns thing, you should either make the shotgunner's horns bigger or the chaingunner's smaller; this is such a big leap in both girth as well as length.

>>9170401
I agree. Now that there's a new demon with a new color scheme, He makes the others look too generic when put side by side. I'll change some things around.

>>9170350
Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Have a sexy Huntress as a reward.

I fucking butchered the shading on this one DX Even still, its just to get the idea of the color scheme down. Maybe the Shotgunner should have a darker, more aggressive shade of red? I'm thinking of doing what someone else suggested earlier and giving the zombieman a pukey green skin tone instead.

>>9170382
>>9170394

Is this related to picrel

>>9170430
the rifleman could be hell knight tan to the shotgunner's baron pink
or imp brown

>>9168048
>slaps his PDA over the railing
>bye

>>9170430
>I'm thinking of doing what someone else suggested earlier and giving the zombieman a pukey green skin tone instead.
I like that one better. Basically just "adapt" the original color schemes. Like if the former humans had morphed into demons.

>>9170357
The search continues

Just beat all the older doom games and I want to play wads but some of them are not compatible with GZDoom. How do I get PrBoom to run?

>>9170248
there are good ones, but the people who map with it are less experienced generally,and many of the most talented and experienced mappers use mostly BOOM instead or use Zdoom for more ambitious stuff like conversions (conversions probably siphon the best talent for mapping in Zdoom).

>>9170467
I find that hard to believe, the entire conceit of GZDoom is that it has universal compatibility

>>9170382
>>9170394
Was this related to that some guy's Doom "reimagining" that got laughed out of "serious doom forums" but some guy decided to help them out here ? I lost the big screencap of it.

>>9170474
The wiki says that Going Down is only compatible with Boom ports

>>9170475
Are you talking about >>9170437 ? That's the first I'm hearing about it either.

>>9170475
>>9170482
you mean this?

>>9170478
most sourceports are backwards compatible
the general order is vanilla DOS / chocolate doom > limit removing (crispy) > boom > MBF (DSDA/eternity engine) > Zdoom > GZdoom
there are edge cases where GZdoom doesn't work with some things due to being actively updated but boom mapping techniques shouldn't be one of them

>>9170478
I've played Going Down on GZDoom before. Works perfectly fine. GZDoom has every complevel backed into it for better or worse.

>>9170490
*every complevel baked into it
Anyways, I just tested gd.wad on GZD 4.8.2 and it works. Are you confusing complevels with wads being straight up unplayable? There's a difference.

>>9170489
>>9170490
what about more modern wads like Heartland?

>>9170389
>Horns are a little big
For you.

>>9170485
Yes, thanks!

>>9170497
I feel like GZDoom is compatible with some Eternity Engine stuff. I know that Eternity Engine can play some ZDoom stuff as well. But the text file for Heartland says it's only compatible with Eternity Engine so I would just stick to that.

>>9170430
Yeah the tan/puke green skin tone for the zombieman would really help because him and the shotgunner still look a bit too similar. Keep the shotgunner with the original baron pink skin.

>>9170497
Heartland is very specifically built for Eternity's advancements in mapping shit, much to the annoyance of people who think you only need GZDoom for everything.

>>9170372
Personally when I just do maps for fun for myself I try to keep to limit-removing (or even pure vanilla if I feel like it) because I do agree with the point that if you're using Boom features you might as well go all in with UDMF, but since so many /vr/ projects use Boom I've been using it the most.

>>9168058
>faggot comparison compared somewhere

>>9170478
GzDoom is virtually 100% compatible with Vanilla and Boom/MBF21 level sets. Outliers exist, where some things don't work/render quite exactly like they should, but it's usually very small things which won't stop you from playing.

>>9170497
Eternity has its own exclusive features that Heartland uses. It's not part of any widely-supported standard like MBF21 or CL9 Boom.

>>9170537
Absolutely based

>>9170430
If you give the zombieman a green skin change, do one with light shades and another that's darker. Having such a potentially common enemy be a bright primary like that seems a bit off putting. Maybe do another with 152-159 to see how that turns out.

>>9170497
Heartland is one of the only few works made for Eternity. It's cool, but there's also nothing else even remotely comparable in quality or scale for Eternity as well. Maybe people will make more in the future, but for now, Eternity is a one horse town, and it may be a good horse named Heartland, but other than that it's all tumbleweeds.

>>9170567
Yeah, I was just about to say that the shade of green I picked might be too bright. Even still, I'm kinda liking this. He sorta looks like an Orc.

>>9170485
Wholesome anon & mean Doomworld. Don't be like Doomworld. Fuck Doomworld.

>>9170580
doom rpg had a green baron called ogre
if that's interesting enough

>>9170580
Oh god, I just realized the shade of green reminds me of Shrek. Goddammit.

This shade is full Orc. But at least I'm not hearing laughing 14 year olds in my head shouting "ONIONS!"

>>9170585
I fucking love Doom RPG. That sounds like a great place to get a perfect a good palette.

>>9170594
what if you used yellow shading with this base skin?

>>9170594
>GET OOT OF MYE SWAMP

>>9170597
Something a bit like this?

>>9170615
Okay, I'm gonna have to do something about this fucking horns. All I can fucking see is Shrek in every single one.

>>9170623
what if you used a more tan color similar to the original zombieman's clothes?

>>9170578
There were a few other big name mappers looking to do something with Eternity after Heartland came out but I dunno what came of that.

Eternity'd be in a lot better state if the dude finished the scripting stuff for it but the whole thing is still a work in progress.

>>9170628
>what if you used a more tan color similar to the original zombieman's clothes?
Like hell knights are to barons? That could be interesting for consistency.

>>9170636
yes
it would also add the cool implication that former humans can turn into hell knights and barons

>>9170628
I'm digging it. I don't think I got it perfect, but I'm digging it.

You know something? I think we got it!

>>9170658
Cool

>>9170658
the shading on the right one isn't done, I hope

>>9170485
Why is everyone making these collages always completely retarded?

>>9170667
Hell no. That's a work in progress. None of them are really "final" as far as I'm concerned.

>>9170658
I like it.

>>9170658
color is good but I think a bit more shading on the zombieman would help

>>9170648
Maybe slightly more paie skin tone might work? or it might not.

They're shaping up pretty well though.

>brush mug

>>9170724
I dig it.

>>9170668
They still have a soul and find child-like joy in making them. Nothing wrong with that.

>>9170420
Exquisite.

>>9170724
Very nice.

>>9170736
>They still have a soul and find child-like joy in making them
Nigga I am not talking about the drawings, I am talking about the retards who always make these convoluted, shitty retarded collages that are just random screencaps mashed together in the most zoomer adhd way possible with random emphasis on one or the other post.
Kind of like the people who put those red circles in twitter screencaps because apparently otherwise their retard friends wouldn't be able to parse the whole two sentences.

>>9170724
Fancy.

>>9170578
Eternity is still compatible with a lot of projects, even if they're not made specifically for it.

>>9170749
Same answer applies. If it bothers you make your own serious collages.

>>9170749
>random emphasis on one or the other post
Amen dude.
I liked the collage that was posted but I often hate the unnecessary emphasis of a lot of similar ones.

>>9170768
>If it bothers you make your own serious collages.
I wouldn't make any collages because I'm not a retard. If you want to show something, show it in a concise manner.

>Three mappers signed up for the Quake 2 25th anniversary unit so far
Looking excellent so far.

Spreadsheets are the meta

>>9170382
he looks horny.
cool helmet

>>9170806
Spread III Team Sheet, when?

Like two weeks ago, I remade the Scarface mansion in Doom.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130466-moroder-mansion/

Left or right?
I just can't get the feet to look like I want them.
This is supposed to be a long johns onesie as seen from behind.
The soles should be visible, but I just can't make them look like soles as seen from behind.

>>9170293
I see some *.LWO models on this CD, but most things (including explosions) are in *.IFF format. How do I open those?

>>9170845
The replacement on the right looks better than the one on the left. But other than that, they look good to me.

>>9170805
>Giftmarcher
Our shitposter is coming places.

All it needs now is spirit to join in, also filter the faggots from fairweather's gang since they would obviously sabotage any project that isnt "repeated quake 1 stock assets number 41xxxx"

>>9170805
>Unit got a shoutout in Quake's Discord server.
Wait... How did that happen? I thought that some (if not all) current mods there just hate fun.

>>9170860
i rather trust the official discord than the mapping discord, mainly because other would join easily.

>>9170845
to look like soles from behind, the sides of the pant leg should be higher than the part of above the heel more like a U than an arch but not too pronounced

>>9170870
This is supposed to be the kind with integrated feet, so there are no "pants legs" per se.
Otherwise I would have just let them end like regular pants legs, but that kinda defeats the purpose of them replacing the radsuit.
And if the suit is hanging, the feet would hang down and you'd see them from an angle from behind, kind of like illustrated.

>>9170898
Obviously the pov would be from the left side of the illustration, so from "behind".

>>9170898
ok that makes more sense, then maybe just getting rid of the 3 pixels on the side? idk

>>9170749
That's what makes them fun. Unneccesarily dumb additions, zoom ins that don't make sense and look cringe in retrospective and cutesy mspaint circles and lines are the slight imperfections of life that show the light within us still shining in the darkness of everything being forced to be 'proper, clean and readable' like the bland reality of the shit we face with every day.
Creativity is still wonderful regardless if its pretty or not. I still see nothing wrong with that collage and it fits the theme of what they're covering.

>>9170040

>>9170906
You should become a youtube essayist, you seem like the kind of person able to spend hours on talking about how the latest capeshit product is a piece of art and on par with the masters of ould.
Someone called your shitty collage shitty, deal with it and move on, ffs.

>>9170580
GET OUTTA MY SWAMP

>>9170921
It's not even my collage. Jumping at shadows is fun for you?
Take a chill pill man.

>>9170845
the right

>>9170898
how about something like this? sorry for the crap edit i'm bad at this kek

>>9170948
or maybe like this

Shaded my chaingunner!

>>9168151
That is some fucking ugly art.

>>9170974
really cool my dude

>>9170974
I like it.
Btw, what is your workflow?

>>9170986
I have no idea. I'm just fucking around and seeing what I can do.

Its coming together nicely, I gotta say. The first sprite is arguably the hardest. I'm not sure if I can make an entire sheet yet or not.

>>9170975
mmmm
disagree!

>>9170992
Ouch.
The only decent art is the official cover and even then the drawings in the intro and end look like shit.

Must be hard to get good artists. All busy with their furry commissions.

>>9170948
>>9170957
Alrighty then, next attempt.

>>9170990
I think that stuff looks good, especially all that glowing shit on the chaingunner's head. And he reminds me of someone, but I don't know of whom.

>>9170997
She's not really got an interesting design to work with.

>>9170990
Very minor, nitpicky changes here. I didn't like how wide the shotgunners horns were. It made him stand out too much when he's supposed to be a standard trooper.

>>9171019
I didn't mind them. Even the "bigger" horns are still only half as big as the chaingunner's.
And shotgunners are not that much more harmless than chaingunners.

>>9168034
>>9168037
>>9170214
+ rep

>>9171019
>>9171021
However, what I am noticing is that the spikes on the shoulders are inconsistent. Compare Trooper and Seargent and which spike is bigger on the "forward" arm.

>>9171013
Easily one of the most generic and least memorable character designs in a game. You could tell me she's a repeating background NPC in some obscure Russian knockoff shooter from the early 2000s and I wouldn't bat an eye.

>>9170997
I'm quite fond of this one.
But yea, she's being done dirty, maybe some talented artists could do something in the run-up to Aftershock, mmm ?

>>9171028
>>9171043


There is a cool fallout mod of her. And its a simple redesign which goes for a modern gits Kusanagi.

The combo of skimp leotard, pants\ armor and jacket looks cool. You dont even need the booba, but if the chest armor broke it would be a nice touch.

>>9171043
That looks terrible.

>>9171043
I like this one and the Dawn one by the same artist, but some of her "coolest" fanart is also some of her ugliest.

They did change her sprite with an update. To make her more cartoony.
Had an opportunity there to change the design.

>>9170990
I think these are all too flat looking and lacking in detail on the chest area specifically. They're supposed to be shirtless right? It's kind of hard to tell since there's not a lot of visible musculature and their outline is still looks like the armored dudes they started as. Compared to something like the baron or imp sprites they look amorphous and kind of blobby. If you can't draw those details consistently by hand it might be a good idea to try frankenspriting those details by cutting/colorizing parts of the imp sprite since it's roughly the same size. It looks like you've already done that a bit with the arm spikes.
Also speaking from limited experience making the all the subsequent sprites is really just as hard since you need to keep them consistent with all the other sprites.

How does /vr/ feel about slaughter maps, especially Sunder, Abandon and the likes?
I know cunts on other websites nope out at maps that approach 1K monsters with everyone yass queening in the comments so I was curious about you guys

>>9171076
He said these are all still work in progress, jfc can you people not read or at least take ten seconds to skim the reply chain?

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>>9171096
/vr/ loves slaughter because they think more monsters = more harder (>slaughtershit) and thus it's good for your e-peen.

>>9171029
hmm, so what would you suggest?

>>9171096
My preference is personally for ~100-200 monster maps that lend themselves well for playing without mid-level saves.

Sometimes slaughter is fun but I've really felt especially lately that mid-level saving removes a lot of the tension, but with long-ass slaughtermaps you either have to save or lose way too much progress. So I've found that compact maps with not too much excess enemies but tough encounters is a sweet spot for me, because the levels are short enough that saveless (thus tension-retaining) gameplay is feasible.

>>9168083
>John would rather be with his gf than at his son's graduation
>He dodges events like Thanksgiving, citing them as awkward
>Isn't around much as a dad
>Not an evil man, but not a good man either
is that a surprise to anyone? This is a guy who's so much of a nerd he would build literal space rockets as a hobby and has at times been given the accolade of greatest programmer ever. This is also a man who was described as a teen to have no regard for human life, and who is probably intensely logic driven.
A guy like that was never going to be a good dad or a regular old nice husband. If he wasn't a weirdo he wouldn't have accomplished all that he did.

>>9171096
They're fine as long as I know they're coming. This felt like a curveball.

>>9171096
Ok in moderation but back to back rooms of Doom Eternal type encounters with the enemies multiplied x20 is annoying.

>>9171096
Depends on the mood. Personally I don't like them because I suck and die all the time in even easier mapsets, but I do find it exhilarating playing them from time to time and seeing how far I can stay alive. Chillax gauntlet was a fun experience back when it was a novelty.
I think slaughter isn't as hard as actual maps with tough, low enemy count encounters with chaingunners, barons and revenants.

>>9171076
Yeah, the arm spikes on the shotgunner were taken directly from the Imp. I figured out the muscles were a bit wonky when I started working on the chaingunner. I'll keep in mind to give them abs next time I work on them. Which will be after a nice, long break, because my fucking fingers hurt.

>>9171098
Easy! Retract your logans, bro. He's just trying to make sure it comes out as good as possible.

>>9171121
>playing a lunchlunch map
>expecting anything less than 10 enemies per 64u square
come on now

>>9171096
Slaughter maps do not exist. There only exists Doom maps.

>>9171096
Sunder and Abandon are pretty fantastic aesthetic-wise and pull off the gameplay, the vast majority
of giant, long slaughter maps are terrible though.

They're just really really hard to make and balance, you've got to be a really good mapper to make a fantastic titanic slaughter map but you only need to be average to make a fun regular map. Pocket size slaughter doesn't suffer from this problem as much which I recon is why we're seeing so many projects composed of such recently. Basically its a problem with mappers lacking the skill to make and properly balance slaughter maps, rather than a problem inherent to that style of gameplay.

>>9171127
>because my fucking fingers hurt.
Speaking of which, this shit hurts and probably isn't good for my mouse.

>>9171149
Term fucking LOVES his mouse mashing.

>>9171128
Revae and Coffee Achiever are the only names I remember.

>>9171147
>Basically its a problem with mappers lacking the skill to make and properly balance slaughter maps, rather than a problem inherent to that style of gameplay.
Well, as you said, you need to properly balance them, which means you need competent playtesters if you yourself are not competent enough, plus slaughter is still a niche so a lot of people probably aren't interested in it in the first place.

>>9171096
It depends on the mood I'm in.

I went into Going Down expecting a regular mapset with a fun theme, and didn't realize it would be a slaughter mapset that got progressively more brutal as it went on. I came out disappointed. Later, I played it knowing what to expect, and for a while I had a lot of fun, until eventually I got overwhelmed somewhere around the Archvile spam level.

However, I played Squares knewing exactly what to expect and ended up loving it, to the point where it influenced me to make my own slaughter maps.

I really like the Serious Sam/Painkiller arena style maps with tons of weak-to-mid enemies getting gunned down, too. Its good, mindless fun.

So, the answer is: its a mixed bag.

>>9170193
Weird I never thought to do this. I usually use chaingun, plasma gun, rockets then switch to shotgun to finish them off. This shotgun style switching though seems much cooler so now I must try this.

>>9171028
Made me realize something, she's basically the culmination of three or four decades worth of derivative designs, even putting her behind stuff like this.

>google duke nukem enemies mod for Doom2
>find two and try em out
>the first one replaces pinkies with the alien that has a shrink shot
>The shrink part never expires,i am basically dead if i get hit
>Try the second one
>Machinegunners are placed with. . .machinegun alien,ok so good so far
>but there is a chance a variation with the freezegun spawns instead
>it instantgibs me before i can react
I think i am just terrible at this game,i really want to start clearing maps without saving