/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9152841

>>9152841
PS2 had more variety.

>>9152841
SNES isn't even the best console of its generation

PS2 because it can play PS1 games

>ps2
>retro

Snes is retro, PS2 is allowed, learn the difference

For me it's PS2. SNES has its own niche of course, the games are better suited for short sessions.

>>9152841
The PS1, lol?

Given the PS2 is anything but retro, going with SNES. Also the PS2 has no good games while the SNES has tons.

>>9152905
PS2 has a hundred good games at least
But yes SNES is better
However OP asked for the best retro console, that would be PS1

>>9152841
psx and megadrive

>>9152851
>Sega-kiddo in denial they missed out on the great one

>>9152841
PS2 is not retro.

>>9152841
That's a tough choice. Those are def the top 2 but I guess it depends on what sort of games you like? Honestly I'd probably have to go with the PS2 though I love my SNES to bits

>>9152841
Snes is pretty underwhelming, unless you really love 6/10 poorly translated turn based rpgs and horse betting sims.

>>9152841
SNES easily. PS2 is full of inferior multiplats and shovelware. You can't even make a top ten for PS2 without some sort of multiplat that was better on other platforms.

>>9153024
This, theres like 15-20 great games with real gameplay on the SNES and 100+ JRPGs
>>9153019
SNES is not even remotely on the level of PS1, cope

>>9153062
>talking shit about JRPGs while also praising the Playstation

>>9153062
>SNES is not even remotely on the level of PS1, cope
Eh. PS1 doesn't actually have as many games I like. It's a genre thing I think.
>cope
Please keep such things on /v/

>>9152841
Neither

If I had to choose though, SNES by a long shot

>>9153071
But PS1 is the most multi genre console of all time.
>>9153072
I can dislike JRPGs and still admit that PS1 has the best JRPGs. That's not the only reason why its the best console ever. It has also the best platformers, best action adventure games, best fucking everything.
SNES has sidescrollers and JRPGs, thats two options. Most of the sidescrollers are repetitive boring beat em ups too, not fun platformers.

>>9153027
FFX
FFXII
GOD HAND
KINGDOM HEARTS
KINGDOM HEARTS II
DMC
DMC3
ONIMUSHA
ICO
SHADOW OF THE COLLOSUS
SOCOM II
SMT NOCTURNE
DQ7
TEKKEN GAMES
SO3
GRAN TURISMO GAMES
The list goes on, and I kept cap locks on because it made it easier.

>>9153079
>>9153062
jarpigstation has no games

>>9153079
>PS1 has the best JRPGs
It's the same thing as SNES but with more cutscenes and less gameplay.
>It has also the best platformers, best action adventure games, best fucking everything
That's pretty delusional.

>>9153071
Snes probably has at least 150 games worth playing, ps1 is genuinely over 500. My generous estimate is around 715 but I understand some people are autistic about certain multiplats I personally do not concern myself with pedantry that uninteresting

>>9153027
PS2 has at least 50 very good exclusives, how are Nintendo and Sega cucks so fucking delusional? Jesus fucking christ

>>9153091
>ps1 is genuinely over 500. My generous estimate is around 715
Literally zero standards.

>>9153090
No, its you who is delusional.

>>9153098
32-bit era 2D platformers are trash compared to the 16-bit classics.

>>9153096
He is exaggerating quite a bit, but PS1 has at least 200 games worth playing, I have more than that of PS1 roms on my PC and they are all interesting enough to play.
SNES does NOT have more than a 100 playable titles.

>>9153079
>best platformers
Klonoa and Tomba are boring mediocre shit. DKC mogs them

>>9153096
Why make such a low effort shitpost? All I said was snes has at least 150 games worth playing. That's pretty good.

The latter isn't retro, so... neither. Sega was superior.

>>9153110
It's not even possible to list 15 games for Playstation before you start listing 6/10 games.

>>9153109
What does mogs mean? Isn't that a final fantasy thing

>>9153115
Ok then I won't bother since you've already made up your mind. You can find a new thread now, maybe make another bernie thread or something.

PS1 and 2 were the worst consoles of their generations. They appealed to non-gamers and the lowest common denominator. Nintendo was always for real gamers who valued gameplay. Top devs like Konami realized this. Playstation didn't get it's first good exclusive until PS3 (Demon's Souls).

>>9152841
Like 2D games, SNES, like 3D games, PS2.

>>9152841
neither
genesis > snes
ps2 is not retro

>>9153102
Nah
Goddamn SNESboys are coping hard

Great SNES platformers:
Aladdin
Castlevania Dracula X
DKC 1
DKC 2
Prince of Persia
Super Castlevania IV
Super Mario World 1
Super Mario World 2

Mega Man X-X3 are on both consoles so zero points awarded for SNES

Great PS1 platformers:
Ape Escape
Castlevania SotN
Crash Bandicoot
Crash 2
Crash 3
Croc
Croc 2
Disney's Hercules
Heart of Darkness
Klonoa
Mega Man X4 (the objectively best Mega Man X game)
Mega Man X5
Mega Man X6
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus
Pandemonium!
Pandemonium 2
Rayman
Spyro
Spyro 2
Spyro 3
Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider 3
Tomb Raider 4
Tomba!
Tomba! 2

Many of these are 2D platformers as well, and games like SotN, Mega Man X4-6, Oddworld and Rayman are much better than any of SNES's platformers except DKC1-2 which are pretty equal.

Stop the fucking cope already, PS1 is the best at every genre, by quite a lot.

>>9153178
>Mega Man X5
>Mega Man X6
This is what absolutely zero standards looks like.

>>9153109
Klonoa and Tomba are fantastic and not boring at all, but if you wanna compare DKC to PS1 2D platformers then you would fucking compare them to the most popular ones on the PS1, just like DKCs were SNES's most popular, now wouldn't you? Dishonest fuck.
Call SotN, Rayman or X4 boring shit and make yourself look like a dumbass, go ahead.

>>9153182
Rayman is trash. It's the kind of slow and stiff platforming that defines 32-bit 2D platformers.

>>9152998
I never said anything about Sega
hint: the best one isn't the megadrive either

>>9153179
Yeah just ignore the entire rest of the list being way better than X5-6 and way better than 99% of the platformers on the SNES. Only DKC 1 and 2 are on the level of many PS1 platformers, every other platformer on the SNES is just okay.

>>9153189
You also listed cinematic platformers so your opinion is worthless based on that alone. But seeing those absolute garbage X games listed just tells me you haven't played them and are just a sony fanboy.

>>9153190
I'd probably take TurboDuo over SNES... But I give SEGA CD the edge over TurboDuo

>>9153185
>MUH SPEED
This guy sounds like a Sonicfaggot. Every Sonic fan is a furry and therefore their opinions are invalid and they belong in a gas chamber. Also, you have obviously never played Rayman, or you would know in many of the games levels you move pretty fast.

Anyway, you are an absolutely tasteless subhuman mongoloid to call Rayman trash, really proves how much a SNES fanatic has to cope to try and justify it having "better platformers", it doesn't even have more than a few.

>>9153210
Try actually playing Rayman. The game is boring and stiff.

>>9153182
SotN is garbage that ruined Castlevania and Rayman is Eurojank

>>9153202
You mean I listed one cinematic platformer, Heart of Darkness? Why did you put the "s" at the end there, is it because a SNESfaggot has to be dishonest to try and argue in defense of that consoles pathetic game library?

>>9153178
All the 3D shit aged like milk and was never good compared to Mario 64

>>9153214
I have beaten it. The gameplay is extremely good, its visuals are more beautiful than any game on the SNES. Its literally a better platformer than ANY game on the SNES. You are a deranged niggerfaggot to even try and call it bad, no one would agree with you.
Its gameplay is very well paced and fun, nothing stiff or boring about it.

>>9153216
The two Oddworld games are also cinematic crapformers. Do you even play the games you shitpost about?

>>9153223
Please get some taste. Rayman is seriously a bad game.

>>9153218
None of the ones I listed aged at all and most of them are significantly better than Mario 64 lol. Mario 64 does not even remotely compare to Crash trilogy, Spyro trilogy or the four Tomb Raider classics.
Holy fuck Nintentoddlers are mentally retarded.
Nothing but eternal cope because their parents bought them the consoles with shovelware and tiny game libraries, gotta pretend your childhood wasn't disappointing huh?

>>9153224
No they aren't retarded faggot, holy shit hahaha the cope is getting way too pathetic, just stop embarrassing yourself already.
Just resorting to outright lies now?
>>9153230
I have taste, you are the one with no taste. Rayman is better than any platformer Nintendo consoles have ever had. Objective fact.

>>9153241
The first two Oddworld games are objectively cinematic platformers.

>>9153247
No, they literally are not. You don't understand what that genre or term means. Your character is not in any way distinctly separate from the background in cinematic platformers and is limited to moving on a very specific, pre-determined path.
The Oddworld games are normal platformers where you are definitely separate from the background, are in full control of Abe and have all kinds of actions you can do, have free control over what you wanna do and where you wanna go, including allowing backtracking.

>>9153267
>As these games tend to feature vulnerable characters who may die as the result of a single enemy attack or by falling a relatively short distance, they almost never have limited lives or continues. Challenge is derived from trial and error problem solving, forcing the player to find the right way to overcome a particular obstacle

>>9153269
And? That isn't the sole definer of a cinematic platformer, you dumb ape.
Like I said your character is part of the prerendered background in a cinematic platformer. Every frame is a predrawn state where your character has a few or maybe just one allowed button press they can do to progress. Oddworlds are normal platformers where you are in total control of your character and can go anywhere you want, do actions in the sequence you want, backtrack to earlier areas.
It is in no way a cinematic platformer, those games limit your movement to an extreme minimum. There is more platforming gameplay depth in Oddworld games than in any Castlevania.

>>9153282
>Like I said your character is part of the prerendered background in a cinematic platformer. Every frame is a predrawn state where your character has a few or maybe just one allowed button press they can do to progress.
That is not true at all.
>There is more platforming gameplay depth in Oddworld games than in any Castlevania
The sheer insanity of this statement is impressive.

>>9152841
PS2, easily, by a mile, not even worth more than a second's thought

>>9153290
You are both a liar and schizo lunatic
I am done trying to educate retarded subhumans, you are way too in denial about the dogshit platformers on SNES

>>9153290
Every single Castlevanias platforming boils down to
>short distance, janky jumps
Thats all, you have no other platforming related actions in these games.

Oddworld platforming includes
>climbing up
>climbing down
>grabbing ledges while mid jump
>jumping
>sprinting
>sprinting and jumping
>sprinting and sliding on the floor
>rolling
>four different types of throws, required for getting past mines
>stealth platforming
>chase sequence platforming
thats just off the top of my head, there's more

>>9152841
PS2 > PSP > PS1

>>9153218
Are you retarded or just baiting? Mario64 looks like shit compared to Spyro 2/3.

>>9152841
PS2 and it's not even close.

SNES was great, one of the greatest, but the PS2 was simply the GOAT.

The mega drive provides the super nintendo a thorough trouncing due to the sheer power and audacity of it's library of computer games. The ps2 library doesn't compare unless it's elevated by including the ps1 library. But good ps1 games are all way too expensive nowadays
This guy >>9153530
Is just too young.

>>9153234
>>9153517
not that anon but you guys are straight up insane. mario 64 handles flawlessly. Tomb raider is just a mess. And spyro is clearly just playing catch-up to mario 64. Just a bunch of weird kids letting blind nintendo hate guide you

>>9153001
it is according to the rules here. If you google "is playstation 3 retro" you'll find most places are saying yes

>>9153574
What's a trouncing?

>>9153024
>i have played 1% of snes games

>>9153584
>Just a bunch of weird kids letting blind nintendo hate guide you
Let people not like Nintendo games, they have plenty of problems

>>9153178
You left Super Metroid off the snes list. I get depressed if i play crash for more than a few minutes, it's like it was made for people with severe mental retardation.

>>9152853
based

>>9153676
uh whatever sperg. I don't care about nintendo but it's literally mario 64 dude

SNES wins
from roms-download

>>9153695
its literally your golden goose bro idc to me its just a goose with some shit in its feathers

>>9153574
Kys austroon

>>9153190
Based NeoGeo chad.

>>9152841
SNES easily.
The ps2 is still great though as it was from the last generation when video games were still video games, and not trying to compete with netflix.

>>9153087
>the list goes on
Want to start with some must haves for the system? I owned gta3, vice city and SA and Tony Hawk games. Other than those games I used it as a dvd player.

>better than both
Heh, nothing personnel kiddo.

Best 1st gen console: lol
Best 2nd gen console: Atari 2600
Best 3rd gen console: PC Engine
Best 4th gen console: Mega Drive
Best 5th gen console: Sega Saturn
Best 6th gen console: NOT RETRO

>>9152841
>ps2
>retro

>>9152841
The one that's actually retro.

The people complaining that the PS2 isn't retro were most likely born after the console's launch. It's been 22 years, it's old.

>>9154553
I was born in 1996. The console is literally from the era ofy childhood. It's not retro, it's just old.

>>9154553
>it's old
It's the oldest modern console I agree for sure. The newest retro console is the PSP

>>9154563
The console shaped the culture of the 2000's, it is by definition retro. You don't remember it because your brain wasn't properly developed during that time.

Seriously at 22 years old the PS2 is getting up there in years. If you went 22 years back from the PS2 launch you would be at 1978; just about the launch of the Atari 2600.

It's just we've now been in rehash hell for the past 15 years and PS2 games held up pretty fucking well. Seriously MGS2, MGS3, and the Ratchet and Clank games all look decent once natively rendered at 1080P.

>>9154581
>it defined the modern era of gaming, so it's retro
Did you really think this was a good post? PS2 had some retro, experimental, and arcade games in its first year on the market but the games it came to be known for are entirely modern.

>>9154581
You can pretend whatever you want but it doesn't change reality. It's a modern conso, it's not retro at all. The same goes for the Gamecube and the Xbox. Age is completely irrelevant as to whether or not it's retro - there's a major difference between the PS2 and something like the NES, Mega Drive, or even just the consoles of the gen before it.

>>9154589
>doesn't actually explain the difference
>Age is completely irrelevant
If you don't think Age is relevant to the definition of retro, you're legitimately retarded.
>retro - imitative of a style, fashion, or design from the recent past

>>9154587
So? The PS1, N64 & Saturn heavily popularized 3D platformers, and the genre still exists to this day with modern titles. Does that mean 5th gen is not retro? Your argument is weak, and proves to me that you weren't alive when the console came out.

>>9153142
bait,here your (you).

>>9153234
>four Tomb Raider classics.
only the first tomb raider is good.

>>9152841
The PSX followed by the SNES

>>9154640
The first Tomb Raider is good but its much worse than 2-4.
Sounds like you're one of those retarded cunts that didn't even try the sequels and doesn't know they did everything better.

>>9153584
How is Tomb Raider a mess? It has objectively better gameplay and level design than Mario 64

>>9153682
I left it off because its not a platformer. If it was considered a platformer it wouldn't be considered good platforming. The game is good because its an action adventure with exploration and fun combat and great atmosphere. Its platform jumping is nothing noteworthy.
Sounds like you are the one with severe mental retardation, if you can't enjoy a great game like Crash Bandicoot.

>>9154489
Contrarians lmao
>the best console from every gen is this failed console that had like 30 games total!!!

>>9154553
Its old, but by that logic the PS5 will be retro at some point when it will be 22 years old. It never will be, because the games are not retro, the games are cinematic movieshit walk n' talk simulators designed for people who don't enjoy videogames.

>>9154583
>Seriously MGS2, MGS3, and the Ratchet and Clank games all look decent once natively rendered at 1080P
>how to tell a nigger doesn't have a CRT
All of those look better at 480i or 480p on a CRT than their remasters in 1080p on a LED

>>9153584
Embarrassing.

>>9154553
I was born before Pong was invented, child. PS2 isn't fucking retro, it's as modern as anything today with its style over substance goddamn garbage.
Anything past the mid-90s shouldn't be retro. It's when trash games started to dominate the industry and put on a fucking pedestal as 10/10 GOTY trash.

>>9154997
Based and truth pilled.

>>9154997
Your post was truthful until the retardation set in at
>Anything past the mid-90s shouldn't be retro
You mouthbreather, PS1 games were made until like 2001.
FFIX came in 2000.
Also let's not act like PS2 did not have lots of absolutely great games. It is not retro but the game design was innovative and genuinely great in many PS2 games, and nothing at all like current day game design meta.

>>9152841
They're not the same era and you're a fucking idiot

>>9155145
Do you cry when people compare Led Zeppelin and The Beatles? I mean come on they came out soooo far apart

>>9155206
Who cares. Both those bands suck compared to Korn or Nine inch nails.

>>9155145
You're the idiot, jackass

>>9152842
fpbp

>>9152841
The SNES has real games unlike the PS2

Oldfags bitter that PS2 is now retro.

>>9157041
t. Oldfag whose only talent is speedrunning Ninja Gaiden while his friend is rimming him

>>9154943
Then why the fuck is SOTN on the psx list?

SNES ez

>>9157619
Because Castlevanias arguably have some platforming. I agree though its debatable if they are even platformers because the platforming is so dogshit in them. We could very well remove SotN but then we also remove Super Castlevania IV from the SNES list, since both have braindead tier "platforming".

>>9153071
>It's a genre thing I think
SNES has the most limited genres out there. It's called JRPG video game, but it has a lot of shit ones and PS1 had way more JRPG. It sucks for action, shmups and fighting genres. It hardly has any puzzle games at all. It has mostly platform ones and they suck compared to NES.

I do not know what the currently accepted definition of “retro” is but as a 40 year old lifelong gamer, I consider any console with analog SD video output to be retro. that would include the Wii. I know that this can cause a lot of controversy since the NES and SNES classic output HDMI and I do not consider those to be retro consoles. Despite the fact that the games are retro. You can all fight me.

>>9158479
the Xbox 360 is retro then?

>>9158482
Yep. I was still using a CRT when I got mine.

>>9158479
>the currently accepted definition of “retro”
Everyone has their own personal retro. Everything that came out when you were about 20 or older is not retro for you and never will be. If you were born in the 80s, PS3 will never be retro for you, not now, not in fifty years. The "definition" of retro shifts for the humankind, but not individual humans.

>>9158479
You are right that any "Classic" rerelease consoles are not retro, because they use HDMI image instead of RGB/composite/component/S-video.
But come on, 360 has a port for HDMI, and the games are very modern on it and Wii. They aint retro because the games aint retro.

>>9158505
The first gen Xbox 360 did not have HDMI when I bought mine. It did motivate me to buy an HDTV for that sweet HD goodness and then I bought an Xbox VGA cable.

>>9152841
I swear I'm the only kid who never had a PS2 growing up. I had just about everything else: a PS1, Xbox, Xbox 360, N64, and when I was 9 my brother started thrifting a bunch of old systems for hell cheap, so I then got to enjoy NES, SNES, Mega Drive, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and indeed, SNES.
But playing PS2 games many years later thanks to emulation and later a thrifted PS2 of my own, I can say as an adult without any bias that the PS2 is the best console ever made.

I couldn't name 5 upcoming games I'm excited for; I can name many more than 5 PS2 games I'm eager to finally play.

>>9152841
I swear I'm the only kid who never had a PS2 growing up. I had just about everything else: a PS1, Xbox, Xbox 360, N64, and when I was 9 my brother started thrifting a bunch of old systems for hell cheap, so I then got to enjoy NES, Mega Drive, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and indeed, SNES.
But playing PS2 games many years later thanks to emulation and later a thrifted PS2 of my own, I can say as an adult without any bias that the PS2 is the best console ever made.

I couldn't name 5 upcoming games I'm excited for; I can name many more than 5 PS2 games I'm eager to finally play.

>>9158553
I had a Dreamcast and the PS2 offered me nothing to entice me away until GTA3. Crazy time too because 911 had just happened when that game dropped.

>>9158552
I've tested and/or fixed hundreds of 360's, and every single one had HDMI. Never seen one like in your pic.

>>9158561
Yeah the PS2 really picked up with the 2001 releases. There was Timesplitters at launch but it's really a soft launch compared to the following year. A few of these like MGS2 weren't exclusive for very long but still

>>9158571
PS2 is a good console but these games are fucking trash outside of dark alliance.

>>9158569
You must’ve been a baby when they launched. The Xbox 360 Elite was the only launch model with HDMI. Eventually MS started using the Elite motherboard in all models and the Elite model simply had a larger HDD and Elite Aesthetics.

>>9158583
Hate 'em now if you want, but for the time they were years ahead of everything that came before them. These justified the PS2 and the generation, and influenced games for the next 10 years.

>>9158654
These are the same children who say that NES games are too simple.

>>9158615
No, you retarded nigger
I'm older than you. Can't you figure out from "I've fixed hundreds of 360's" that its pretty fucking safe to assume not a single no-HDMI one exists in my entire country or maybe all of Europe? If they did, I would have ran into some.
Stupid cunt, cant even use your brains

>>9158583
>>9158670
>GTA 3, ICO, JAK AND DAXTEER, MGS2, SILENT HILL 2 are "trash"
You're actually mentally retarded, huh? The one game you claimed is good on that list is barely above average, and not good at all when compared to these masterpieces the entire bottom row of the image is.
Dumb cunt

>>9158679
No you are the simpleton who attempted to argue with anecdotal evidence instead of just doing basic research. you should probably return to reddit

>>9158683
I am not sure why the fuck you included me in your retort.

>>9158701
Its not anecdotal evidence when its hundreds of 360's dumbass, its a statistic at that point. Jesus christ.

>>9152853
Snes can play GB games.

>trying to cause cross-generational console wars

>>9158964
No it is anecdotal because it is just your experience. Get educated and get a grip, retard.

>>9158683
yes, all of those games are trash. nigger simulator 3, silent fart 2, fag and assturd and metal gear pseud 2 are not good games. you are a mouthbreathing mental patient who dictates his thoughts by popular opinion. you're the same kind of guy who has his favorite jewlywood movie criticized and then defaults to "w-well it has a 99% on rotten tomatoes, so most people don't share your sentiment. you lose, contrarian!". you probably read comic books, like star wars and ghibli movies, and own at least a half dozen plushies. you are a literal, unironic NPC and your taste in games is indicative of this. by the same token, i guarantee you have either never played, or have outright been filtered by legitimately good games like starcraft and quake -- games which take actual skill and creativity and don't just funnel references, movie tropes and dog tired, casual gameplay mechanics down your throat. you have bad taste and you are stupid. don't even try to @ me because i'm not going to respond to you.

>>9159072
You should take your self loathing and impotent rage back to /pol/ because this is a board for retro gaming enjoyment, not hateful child’s.

>>9159080
>that pic
holy reddit lmao. nigger if that's the way you live your life, i 100% guarantee you are a limp-wristed beta male with a nonexistent sperm count who every woman laughs at secretly.
>b-but let's all be friends and positive n' stuff
how about no faggot. kill yourself. if you don't like to argue, this is not the site for you.

>>9159084
every time

>>9159084
You are an example of someone who got utterly BTFO by some educated progressive in the marketplace of ideas, so you stomped off and shit up other boards.
I doubt your mother or father is proud of you.

>>9159084
I had a Nintendo 64 so I played both Quake 64 and Starcraft 64

>>9159101
>some educated progressive in the marketplace of ideas
i can smell your soi milk macchiato from here

>>9159084
All this pic is about is telling fat fuck manchildren to stop crying about Star Wars and try to find things they like because no one cares about listening to someone cry about how they ruined some action figure shit for you. Self-defensive nerds turned this into some big society issue when its just a helpful warning that being a whiny nerd makes pussies dry up quick.

>>9159104
Is that supposed to be an insult?

>>9159072
I'm not even gonna read this wall of text rant and cope. They are masterpieces. The whole world agrees. All retro enthusiasts agree. Seethe, you just have dogshit taste in games.

>>9159281
Relax friend. you won. the chud got banned

Somehow this post >>9159101 is even worse and cringier than the retard >>9159072 who thinks those god tier games are trash
You both suck, ones got no taste in games and the other is a leftoid cuck

>>9159289
Whatever, Chud

>>9159287
no i didnt, i was just busy playing actual good games like doom and advance wars instead of your fecal trash PS2 games. chuds always win in the end.

>>9159281
>gets called an NPC for using groupthink to dictate his opinions
>'beep boop, these games are classic, everyone else thinks so'
lmao

>>9158482
With time everything will be retro. Even the most cutting edge of technology is rendered archaic by the relentless march of time

>>9159084
You seem like a profoundly unhappy person with a lot of pent up frustrations and anger you've decided to take out on other people anonymously over the internet.

>>9159601
Eat my cum, nigger faggot