/vr/ - Retro Games

>not playing on a 13" b&w kitchen tv you paid $1500 for on ebay

do you even like retro games?

>>9148895
Is that one of those 40" Mitsubishis? You'd need a crane to move that.

>>9148895
its too big if its larger than 3"
seriously imo, if you cant safely move the tv by yourself its too large

>>9148941
32*
True

>>9148895
Tomorrow I shall post my new crt I picked up from the thrift for now here is my old

>>9148895
Biggest I had was a 30" Sony HD CRT. It was a total bitch to move around mostly because of the dimensions. I also had a 27" WEGA, but despite being only marginally smaller on paper, it was much easier to grab and I could easily carry it myself. Honorary mention to my old 24" W900 monitor, a nearly 100 lb. behemoth that almost made my desk buckle.

>>9148941
This is correct. If it’s too heavy for one person it’s a real pain. Last CRT I had took two people minimum.

Post more giant crts please

>>9149227
This guy has a fetish for a giant crts

How often are you people moving your CRTs and why can't you get literally anyone to help you move them

>>9148895
She said never

>>9148941
I have a 27" Panasonic downstairs and I couldn't imagine moving that on my own.

>>9149240
I don't have any friends.

i'm fine with 13" crt desu, i'm playing video games close to the tv, big tv are for movies

>>9148941
I can move 28' sets on my own easily and I am not strong at all stop being such weaklings.
32' is where it gets hard for me

>>9149485
>>9149485
Zoomers are just weaklings. Back in the day you had to be used to lift stuff that was pain in the ass to move around, if you were into games / computers. Now days they dont even have to lift a game disc since everything is digital

>>9149416
I have a 32" black consumer Trinitron and I carried that up and down stairs myself.

>>9149485
This, 28 is no problem

>>9148895

Hello sirs. What's the code for getting into the service menu in charcoal black PAL Trinitrons? More specifically, KV-25X5K.

>>9149508
We need to bring back mandatory military conscription

>>9148895
Isn't that Gramps's wife?

I have 29" Trinitron weights about 40KG, its not about weight but fucking handles when you try to move it. Really bad ergonomics for moving. Handles are at the top, and they don't really fit well with my hands, at least its not 16:9 otherwise it would be impossible to move without some kind of car or other person

>>9149631
My Trinitron has handles, helps a lot

>>9149485
100%, i moved my 30" up and down stairs (with a lot of grunting), and it is heavy but i wouldn't call it difficult at all
>>9149551
fuck off, you can die for shell oil and the cia but it ain't gonna be me

>>9149550
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/656443/Sony-Trinitron-Kv-25x5a.html#product-TRINITRON%20KV-25X5K

According to that manual, put it into standby, then press DISPLAY, 5, VOL+, TV.

>>9149682
>fuck off, you can die for shell oil and the cia but it ain't gonna be me
Man US sucks, here we have mandatory conscription but nobody actually gets sent to war turning it, it's only for training the populus to be able to handle a war.
I used to carry 120% of my body weight for kilometers, plus it's fun and enables you to get a lot of free shit, like weapons and driver licences.

>>9148895
That's too big for her

>>9149793
In America military service is only for poor people. If the rich had to send their kids to the Marines watch how fast America stops picking fights.

>>9149798

Rescued a CRT from the "clothes and shoes" donation box in the parking lot and hooked it up to my SNES, I'm enjoying it quite a lot. Not sure of size but I think it's 15-20". I had forgotten about that high-pitched whine they make but after a couple minutes I stop noticing it.

>>9149720
Okay, but which buttons are DISPLAY and TV? It's not marked anywhere on my remote, which is original Sony RM-883 remote.

>>9149908
That site doesn't display images properly, but they're there when you download the manual in PDF.
Anyway, DISPLAY is the [i+] button between 9 and MENU. TV is between 1 and mute (the empty box icon). Those markings are pretty standard on Sony remotes.

>>9149965
Thank you, anon. I'll check out the hour content, this TV seems to be very lightly used given that it's still very bright at brightness set to minimum.

>>9149973
>content
What did I write? I meant counter.

The tastefull gentlemans computer Monitor

>>9150343
That desktop's a nice shade of beige

>>9150343
clean your room

>>9150343
Nobody wants to see your 3rd world living conditions, please get a job.

>>9150343
>Australia-kun in the corner
subtle

>>9150343
Fucking kill yourself already for fuck's sake. No one wants to see your posts with blurry pictures ever again. At the very least mods should ban you.

>>9150596
you sound upset my friend what seems to be the issue?

>>9150636
Ranfag shitting up the threads in both /vr/ and /g/. That's the issue.

lol finnish retard and german autists potato shitposting and ruining every thread they step into

>>9150649
You can still cope about the F520 or make AKSHUALLY posts aout crts when I post pics of my beautifull tubes you know?

>>9150703
I'm not interlaceanon/2hu anon/marisanon/whatever you call him. Nonetheless, I own much better CRT's than you.

>>9150716
probably, but whats your best one?

>>9150716
>I own much better CRT's than you.
post it

DooM

>>9150770
>not playing without line doubling

>>9150785
>Not playing at a native 480p with 150hz refresh rate

>>9150726
>>9150723
Nokia 445Xpro125. It will take me a very long time to find something that will beat it. It may never happen, in fact. As far as TV's go, I own a Sony KV-25X5K, regarded by many as the best curved Trinitron TV in Europe. I didn't take any good pics of it yet, I will do that later.

>>9148895
you just know...

>>9150798
>white chicks are having sex with their CRTs now
DELET THIS

>>9150795
Native Doom is 640x400@70Hz though.

>>9150797
>Nokia 445Xpro125.
That's a 21" 125kHz monitor. It's not that high end. I wouldn't be weirded out finding one even for free in Europe.
Still a very good CRT but I wouldn't say that you can't find better in Europe.

>I own a Sony KV-25X5K, regarded by many as the best curved Trinitron TV in Europe.
It's okay, depends if you like it or not, other models exist, bigger and smaller, in Europe too and can be find for nothing. If you're happy with it though, it's all good.

>>9149436
:(
I'll be your fren to the en'.

>>9150823
>That's a 21" 125kHz monitor. It's not that high end.
What do you consider high end, in that case? It has a Hitachi tube mind you and 11k hours on the clock, so it's not even that worn out. The service menu is awesome, allowing to adjust G2 in it, as well as a 5x5 dynamic convergence grid.
>I wouldn't be weirded out finding one even for free in Europe.
Depends where. Where I live, high-end CRT monitors are dime a dozen.
>>I own a Sony KV-25X5K, regarded by many as the best curved Trinitron TV in Europe.
>It's okay, depends if you like it or not, other models exist, bigger and smaller, in Europe too and can be find for nothing.
Yea fair enough, I got it for free actually. Seems lightly used because it's plenty bright even at brightness set to minimum. I'd check the hour counter (if there is any), but I've no clue about navigating the service menu.

nice of the two tranime posters to swing by and shit up /vr/ bc /g/ isn't consistent and they get bullied over there

>>9150845
>What do you consider high end, in that case?
It's still pretty high end but not *that* high end, something actually high end would be 22" and 137kHz.

>>9150852
Just bully them here too, it worked on /g/

>>9149513
Depends on the set. This thing is enormous:
https://manualmachine.com/toshiba/2987db/5853599-service-manual/

>>9148895
*drools*

>>9149227

>>9150876
more info here https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/gxvm99/legendary_intergraph_interview_28hd96_all_we_know/

If anyone wants to have a laugh at retards >>9150793

>>9150797
I have an NEC FE991SB, the small sister of the 2070SB.
Its basically the same Monitor as the 2070SB but smaller and with a lower Horizontal refresh, the tube is the same just smaller, its insanely sharp.
Tube has the same type of Electron gun as the big sister and actually gets brighter then the 2070SB because there is less screen space, but I never use the superbright mode because its bad for it

>>9150919
>NEC FE991SB
That you don't use because you fear that it'll break? Cease coping, it will never be a real 2070SB. 2070B is in a completely different league.

>>9149560
Yep

It's so fucking sad, majority of CRTs these days die thanks to the reddit tier meme and people buying and sending them like it's dragon dildos, most of them die in postage and not of old age.

>>9150923
The tube is exactly the same as a 2070sb this is the sharpness at 480p.
And I do use it just not as a daily driver that would be a huge waste I only use it for videogames or anime, any other shadow mask can fullfill the role of desktop monitor just as well

>>9150919
looks gorgeous anon
>>9150923
fag

>>9149560
>>9150924
op here, no idea who that is i just googled big crts

>>9151000
stop samefagging

>>9150891
Top kek, anon literally posted a HDMI to component setup but that retard thinks it's RGB.

>>9150872
>>9150990

>>9151013
take medication

>>9150930
>people buying and sending them like it's dragon dildos

>>9149240
They have to move them to all the state fairs to put them up next to the show pigs

This TV has only been used for 1,8k hours, whats your newest tubes?

>>9151062
NOS Sony GDM-FW900 in temperature controlled storage
Only been turned on for a few minutes to test

>>9148895
Babbage's Gramps...now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

>>9151065
Id just sell that now that these things are extremely popular, or are you banking on it becoming even more valueable?

So I have a PVM 14N5U that I think im just gonna permanently own from now on, but whats a good CRT PC monitor I can pick up if I manage to stumble across one.

>>9151096
anything 19' or bigger is worth picking up, most 17' are worth it aswell.
Fixating only on the super high end is stupid, especially for retro games

>>9151098
damn you fucking live like this?

>>9151109
every mentally ill freak who collects CRTs lives like this, if not worse

>>9151098
yeah i dont think I can place anything over 17 on my shelf, just a preference thing. good info though, as I'd like to have one in case I decide to use it for other means. Just wish I knew someone in my area who could mod my PVM to do RGB, cause I have no expertise when it comes to that stuff

>>9151109
>>9151116
This is my comfy AV room, I have acces to 1080p Plasma for movies and modern consoles, small and big consumer TVs and my PC and spare monitors all in one room.
most efficient use of space and super nice I hate empty rooms

I used to have this beastly 40 inch crt my dad didn't want after getting a flat screen around the mid 2000s. It eventually shit itself a day before I had to move and so I left it in the trash room of my old apt complex. I regret it everyday as I could've fixed it but good lord that mother fucker was beyond heavy it took 4 people to get it out of the place. It was weirdly shaped and heavy as all conceivable hell.

>>9151127
>my comfy AV room
it's a testament to your virginity and filthiness and nothing more

>>9151109
>>9151116
huh?? anon's room is cluttered but it's not dirty or gross. no piss jugs, no 4 year collection of cigarettes butts, its just a room with a lot of stuff in it

>>9151137
>posts on 4chan

>>9151154
>people on 4chan are virgins and filthy
was never the case outside of memes and rare exceptions like you

>>9151176
keep coping, nerd

>>9151176
I didnt make that post, stop assuming everyone is me.
Also its my room and im gonna put as much stuff in it as I like, im not falling for the own nothing meme

>>9151221
you realize your argument is literally "no I am a virgin and filthy"

>>9151227
never claimed it was you? did i?whoever posted it has the mindset that people here are virgins and filthy

>>9151234
my point is that if you post on 4chan you're some kind of freak or another, not necessarily dirty or a virgin
looking forward to your response, very cool and normal person who spends time on 4channel dot org

https://poal.me/h7etmg
if you haven't already submitted a response

Picking up an B&O MX4000 soon that comes with a remote, anything I should be wary of? Its a low version number but the geometry looks pretty good from what I can see anyway

.

i've mostly been gaming on a lcd this whole time. i could pick up a crt for free minus the cost of gas. how small would a crt have to be to fit on a desk in a dorm

>>9152276
14" is a good size.

Anybody knows what can be causing this? At first I thought there was something wrong with my CRT but it turns out the same thing happens on LCD too. Is it a problem with the cable? The console? It's a Genesis model 1 by the way.

>>9152298
Hmm may be some interference, are you using a input switcher?

>>9152298
That just looks like a shitty video connection. Try cleaning out the AV out port on your Genesis, maybe there's some gunk in there that's stopping the cable from making a good connection. If that doesn't work you probably want a new AV cable for it, if it's an old one it's probably worn out and can't carry a good signal, you can get new off brand ones for like 10$ that are good enough for composite.

Or if you're using an RF connection get a proper shielded coaxial RCA cable don't use one of those channel modulator pieces of shits or a normal RCA cable.

Might be something wrong with the genesis if none of that helps.

God fucking dammit

I went into my TV's service menu just to turn down the red and this happened, what the fuck did I do? I didnt change any other setting.

>>9152791
Nevermind, my component cables just came lose at that exact moment. Thankfully a false alarm.

>>9152805
generally anything that looks messed up is not TVs fault but the consoles.
If a crt is broken its pretty obvious, vertical rolling, very unsharp etc

>>9149227
ENTER...

>>9152993

>>9152870
Geometry issues as well.

>>9153020
thats normal for TVs, even my almost brand new one has horrible geometry.
TVs were just made to a lesser standard then monitors but sually you can get geometry pretty good in the service menu

>>9152993
>This unit weighs approximately 200kg (440 lb 15 oz)
Holy shit

>>9153052
Really depends on the price class and brand
It goes from okay to horrible, but it's never perfect

>>9149049
> almost made my desk buckle
Your desk was week. A desk should be able to take a full grown man jumping up and down on it. If not then its trash.

>>9149535
THICC

>>9153157
geometry is not important anyways

>>9153268
Not important but you want it to be not too out of wack
Vertical and horizontal scrolling will be nauseating if it's too bad

Had a 13 inch Silvania but it seemed to small so I got the Sharp too. Pretty good tv, has s-video and component, but the remote that came with it is broken so that kind of sucks.

>>9153375
Fake, everyone knows people with big dicks aren't afraid to use and prefer small CRTs

>>9151127
based

>>9151062
Recently I was gifted a brand new unopened 14inch.

>>9153649
TV or monitor? I'm looking myself for NOS monitors that size

>>9151062
i just bought two little 14" ge tvs that the guy claims sat in a basement never used. i feel like he's lying, but they are in mint condition with really good geometry. i haven't found a way to access a service menu and don't think there is one so i can't be sure

>>9153813
probably lying, unless they were still sealed in the box they were used a little atleast.
maybe they have a service menu where you can check the hours, if they are from a big brand like sony you usally can

what method for displaying media at 24fps on a crt provides the best motion clarity? as far as i'm aware, no crt goes as low as 24Hz vertical, but monitors are able to do 48, so maybe interlaced? there would be interlacing artifacts, but i think it might be clearer than frame doubling, and without the flicker. haven't tested it yet

Is it safe to run a computer monitor at a refresh rate not specified in the graphics card's presets? For example, my monitor can run at 85Hz at 1600x1200. Does this mean I can run at ANY refresh rate between 60 - 85Hz? Any danger in that? Reason I ask is because I need to run one game in particular at 63Hz.

>>9153907
PAL sets probably

>>9154040
As long as it's whit in the vertical and horizontal frequently limits, it's completely safe.

>>9153907
You interlace it and run it at 48Hz, PAL did the same with 24.x and 25 FPS media

>>9154048
Cool thanks. I need to run Id Tech 4 games (Doom 3, Quake 4) at 63Hz. Recently discovered that they need to run at 62.5fps otherwise microstutter and physics fuckery occurs.

>>9151059
KEK

>>9154040
yes you can son, thats what the multisynch, synchmaster flexscan etc in your monitors name stands for

>>9154107
Thanks, pop. Gonna set that shit to 62.5Hz and play me esome Doom 3.

>>9152298
what connection are you using?
try using another cable first, otherwise you're gonna have to check your MD and check for bad caps

Found a zenith system 3 on a neighborhood curbside today. Works perfectly and has wooden slabbed sides. Saturday hunts are the best.

>>9154061
you can even set to 62.5 exactly with something like CRU

>>9154191
what's the date of manufacture? zenith system 3's around the 90s had notoriously bad tubes

>>9154191
Also found these two from a different curbside

>>9154191
>>9154213
fuck yeah dude zenith is the coolest for sure, mint condition

>>9154217
Yeah whoever had it took super good care of it lol. Need to get a modulator for it though.

>>9150919
>Its basically the same Monitor as the 2070SB but smaller and with a lower Horizontal refresh
i've got news for you, anon...

I'm sure it's still nice tho.

I have a 14N5U should I try and see if someone can mod it or try for a better unit? I'd just like to have a pvm with RGB capabilities

>>9154319
I have a 20N1A
If you want RGB, mod it, shouldn't be too much effort

>>9152994
Is that the same set, the 43" PVM? I didn't think we'd found one in the wild.

>>9154321
I dont have much experience with how the mod is done, and my soldering skills are moderate at best

Has anyone else experienced something like this with PSX games? Using Silent Hill to show it, I know for a fact its because of dithering and Silent Hill I think uses it the most out of any psx game.

I tried adjusting the colors and it made it slightly better but I cant figure out how to eliminate it completely even with the color test coming out clean on 240p test suite (this picture is before I adjusted the colors). I can post my OSD settings later, TV is a Toshiba 27AF443.

You might have seen me posting thie in another thread, I'm emulating but I hooked up to a monitor just to test and it doesnt happen there so its 100% a TV issue. On a monitor it looks like original hardware.

>>9154343
https://crtdatabase.com/crts/sony/sony-ssm-14n5u

>>9154351
TV is seeing colors were there are non, try using RGB and see if it goes away

>>9154358
Composite is my only option with this device unfortunately

>>9154390
make sure all filters on your emulator are switched off

>>9154390
theres your problem most likely shit adapter try if a console looks normal

>>9154430
You were completely right. Color bleed test... yuck.

I tested on my Wii with component as well and its fine there so its 100% the Raspberry Pi composite. Hopefully its the cable and not the AV jack itself.

Might just get native hardware at this rate.

>>9154525
Forgot the picture.

>>9154528
yeah that doesnt look too good I dont think a shitty cable could ruin the image that much

>>9154540
I told him in the other thread it's the output that's wrong
that pattern is too uniform to be a cable

>>9154528
>>9154525
Just tested it with Wii Composite and no color bleed. I already have the best shielded 3.5mm > composite cable I could find. I think I'm concluding the Pi4 composite output is just junk and nobody should buy it as a CRT device.

>>9154546
Yeah youre completely right. Something is fucked with the Pi4's composite output. Really disappointed to find this out after spending hours tinkering with it.

>>9150923
It's still cool weird elitist anon, and who doesn't want to keep their displays lasting long as possible? Pic rel my 2070SB found on FB marketplace 5 yrs ago for $50

>>9154582
>>9154528
Following up on this - weirdly enough only checkerboard pattern tests have problems. Any other tests are fine. I have no idea why its like that. Hopefully its some software issue thats resolvable eventually instead of a hardware issue, but I doubt it.

>>9150816
Native Doom resolution is 320x240. Change my mind.

>>9154208
1987. Is mine ok?

>>9150816
I thought it was half that

Does anyone have a kv 13fs100? I recently picked one up, waiting for a remote I bought online to get here. But there's a 'picture' setting in the menu and turning it up makes the geometry wig out. I assume that's not normal? I have to keep it below half

>>9149416
You should get stronger.

>>9149793
>Man US sucks, here we have mandatory conscription but nobody actually gets sent to war turning it, it's only for training the populus to be able to handle a war.
Yeah dude, that makes some sense.
Honestly the best way to do it might be mandatory military training, elective military service.
But I don't really believe in mandatory top down servitude. Just if you're going to do it don't sociopathically rope your children into military service for some aasholes pocketbook.

>>9154606
Nice id like to get one of those aswell if i see one for a reasonable price

>>9154313
Anon is correct

>>9154675
It's not, the native render resolution is 320x200. The native output resolution is 640x400.

>>9154682
See
>>9154928

what's yout media player of choice that plays .mkv's? besides ripping it yourself, where do you guys also get your 480p/i media?

>>9154998
Most players play .MKV files, asking about only the container itself is pretty meaningless though, what codecs do you mean?

Various torrent sites mostly, there's no single source, depends more on the type of media. Also archive.org has a lot of old shows.

You can convert yourself too, a HD rip of a NTSC source converted to 480i is no different than a 480i rip of a NTSC source, as long as the original didn't try to force a different framerate.

THIS THREAD IS FOR FAGGOT LOSERS

GO HERE >>>/mu/112047308

Nobody reply to that guy

>>9150853
>>9150823
It's literally the best monitor original Nokia made. IIRC that monitor has MORE DYNAMIC CONVERGENCE zones than the fucking GDM-F520

>>9154924
>same monitor just different, smaller, lower scan rate, but totally the same!

>>9148997
nice DAC/AMP, what model are those speakers? i need to pick up some speakers and lay off the headphones for a while

>>9155204
Anon said same tube, not same electronics or same monitor
Lol way to be jelly of a retard

>>9155191
And? Nokia didn't make the best monitors, so what's your point?

>>9155191
Post proof for that claim

How do I find out the manufacturing date of a pro CRT? I picked up a BT-H1450Y Panasonic, but it's hard to find much about it. I couldn't find a date anywhere outside or inside.

>>9155018
im still learning a lot of things but judging by what's worked so far h264 has mostly worked fine with me. ive considered doing conversions myself but have only ever gotten half-assed results because i don't have much of an approach or where to even look. suggestions?

>>9155018
Just use UMS and a player of your choice
It will transcode to whatever you need

I found one of these almost locally and i really wanna pick it up but i can't for the life of me figure out what resolutions it supports. Guy who sells it says it does 480p, and it does have component input, but some other guy said these things do 480p forcing a 16:9 aspect ratio and you can't swap to 4:3, which is kind of shitty.

Model is panasonic TX-32PH40, you can find manuals and shit around but they don't specify resolutions outright and i don't see anywhere relating to input frequencies besides stuff like VHF for tv channels (which isn't even a thing anymore and fuck tv in the first place)

can anyone help me out? I'd rather ask here than some faggot on reddit

>>9155470
You could always switch to 4:3, they were from a time when majority of channels broadcasted 4:3, do you think you were forced to always watch it stretched?

>>9155470

>>9155470
480p itself doesn't really have a true widescreen resolution, at least when it comes to consoles and DVDs of the era.

It was 640x480 or 720x480, depending on the format, and it could be 4:3 or 16:9, but there was also a 16:9 for 4:3 aspect ratio often provided, which was letterboxing.

Essentially this means you would need to either stretch or compress the image in order to achieve proper aspect ratio.

Considering this is a 16:9 television from an era when 4:3 content was still the most prevalent, I cannot imagine it doesn't have a Fit, Full, or Zoom function.

>>9155491
At that time, it would just stretch 480p, it's how Xbox and PS2 do widescreen too.
This looks like a pre HD TV widescreen, basically just a normal TV but widescreen, some did support 480p over component but many were even just 480i, even when widescreen, it just stretched it.

>>9155489
oh my god, thank you. Do you have a link to that manual? I'll give it a read

>>9155479
>>9155491
right. Guess my fears were misplaced then.

>>9155495
yeah, those are VERY common around here, and i've never bothered with those because fuck having only 480i over widescreen, but this one looks like a gem, and it's a 32 incher as well!
The component input i really look forward to because i'm going to hook it up to a computer and have it display old IIDX styles at native resolution without having those silly timing issues or bad image you'd get with an LCD. Can't wait to play some resort anthem on this thing.

>>9155501
I just googled the model number with "manual" in the end, was one of the first results

>>9155509
i did the same and found three results but none have that page you posted, maybe i'm just fucking retarded

hey /vr/os, so in the previous crt thread, someone told me that my crt worthless because it's 100hz.
does it mean that, the image is inferior or is it the input lag??

>>9155626
Just bad for gaming, the image will ghost since it doubling the refresh, latency is the least of your problems.
Totally fine for watching wide-screen content though, outside of worse than average geometry wide-screen TVs have, the picture itself is fine.
So, it's only worthless for /vr/.

>>9155634
so getting an led or lcd tv is a much better option right?

>>9155647
no offcourse not its still better then an lcd in every way dont throw it away

>>9155647
No idea, you're not telling me what you want to do. If you want to play 240p, it's no good, if you want to play PS2 or Xbox, get a widescreen CRT without the 100Hz meme, if you want to play PS3 or 360, get a plasma. Etc .

>>9155657
>every way
It's not, not FHD, not 1080p, can't do 60Hz native, worse latency than even a LCD TV from modern times, list goes on

>>9155673
Was just about to say the same.

>>9155657
No, it’s not
You’re better off getting an upscaler than using a HDTV

>>9155681
The one anon posted is probably not even a HD TV, just widescreen CRT TV
Locked 100Hz but not 1080i

>>9155686
One of them fabled EDTV’s?

>>9155713
Not all of the widescreen CRT TVs were even ED (yet alone HD TV) and didn't even have component or did 480p, but only 480i
But widescreen ED TVs existed too, did only 480p over component, no 1080i

>>9155670
>>9155673
>>9155674
>>9155681
>>9155686
>>9155713
man, my TV is getting roasted.
so it's shit right?

>>9155737
>so it's shit right?
Depends for what. SMB3? Yes. Watching movies? No.

>>9155740
>Depends for what. SMB3? Yes. Watching movies? No.
you mean the opposite right? I've watched a couple of movies on it and it looks amazing.
I'm planning to use mainly my PS2 and WII on it

>>9155754
>you mean the opposite right? I've watched a couple of movies on it and it looks amazing.
You asked if it's shit. It's shit for games, not shit for movies.

>I'm planning to use mainly my PS2 and WII on it
It's not perfect, if it's a HD TV, it will suffer from scaling latency and double images since it runs at 100Hz.
If it's just a widescreen CRT TV, latency will be less if a problem but you'll still have double images.

Just try and if you're happy with it, then there's no problem.

>>9155737
why do you care about the opinions of strangers just enjoy your tv

>>9155805
if there's better options or any problems
it's good to ask people with more experience

>>9155754
should be fine for ps2 and wii (maybe other stuff from that gen onwards as well) but don't expect to hook up a saturn on it and not have it look like shit

if you're in EU those things don't do anything above 480i so you can't even hook anything to VGA, you're better off just watching movies in that one and forgetting about the whole retro gaming thing. It's so fucking sad that you can't basically find progressive-scan models in yuroland besides rare shit like >>9155470

that said, if you like watching movies and shows and shit, that tv has colors that are comparable to modern OLEDs at a price tag that's not 1200$, aren't smart tv garbage (smart TVs are absolute hell, i have one and i hate the 'smart' shit it has i just wish it would display images and NOTHING MORE), and are built like a tank. If you so much as glance at some modern high end tv they'll just break and be unrepairable, a CRT will outlive you and when it breaks it'll just need a couple new capacitors and a tactical tap for it to outlive your sons again, sans the phophors physically degrading because time is what it is.

in other words, you'll get use out of your tv, but not for old games. If you want a tv/monitor for those, get a pvm like the meme kids or just grab a 4:3 trinitron from like the 90s (like a KX or KV model or something), or literally any other non-flat crt that exists out there, because nobody had big ass high end TVs back then, they had what their mom bought and it usually was some whatever consumer grade sony if you were lucky or literally anything else with a shadow mask on, and that's what those games were made for anyway. The aperture grille isn't inherently better for games and sometimes inferior to shadow mask. Just buy a fucking tube that's big enough for you with low enough hours and just use that.
It's like buying a car. You can buy a porsche or a ferrari or a lambo but you can get road head on your mom's car and have great memories with it just as fine if not better

>>9155815
if you do decide to get something else please give the TV away it would be sad for it to end up on the dump

>>9155737
Just use it as a comfy DVD station, it's great for that

>>9155827
you're right movies do look really good on on it, thanks anon
>>9155841
I will keep it for now, unless I find something else, which is really difficult here in Europe

>>9155861
You can absolutely find decent tvs in europe, just don't expect to find those fancy hdtvs the americans have

here's a tip: if you want a 4:3 tv that accepts progressive scan @ 240p and such, get a bang and olufsen. Their tubes aren't the absolute best (they're Philips tubes) but they have amazing sound, and models such as the MX7000 accept progressive input via RGB. They were top of the line back in the day, you should be looking into those, not just what americans have.

>>9155871
Based advice anon. I have the MX4000 and it's a great TV that will probably outlive me.

>>9155871
>>9155883
I'll look into it, looks dope.
now I'll have to deal with the kikes on ebay
>>9155856
FUCKING SONY

Anyone know how to get into the service menu of a Schneider Tv?

>>9154680
i don't know. you can look up the specifics of the situation if you want. as long as it doesn't look like there's anything wrong with the picture, then it's fine.

>>9155896
Using RGB out of a PS2/PS3? That won't work without hacking it and it's not really Sony's fault.
For some bullshit copy-protection reason DVD players were not allowed to have analog RGB output (except for Euro SCART), so those consoles can't play DVDs over RGB. I don't know if it's just coloring everything green or just outright switching to YPbPr component when playing a DVD, since both formats share pins in the Playstation multi AV out, but it's just how it is.
Only the first Japanese PS2 model played DVDs over RGB and Sony got into some trouble at the time for this. I don't know if they got sued or anything, but they removed the option in all subsequent hardware revisions.
Overall it's fucking stupid. You can't have an analog RGB out, but in some regions it's the fucking standard, so it's allowed. PCs get a pass too. And why not block component as well? It's the same quality, hell, it's even the format that DVDs are encoded with in the first place. Total bullshit.
Anyway, for PS2 you have to use FMCB and put a modified DVD player executable on the memory card. I think some modchips also have that hack built in. For PS3 I'd imagine that CFW has a solution (for BDs as well), but I've never tried that.

>>9155827
The models that do 480p in Europe usually have VGA and some accept 31kHz over RGBS too. They aren't that rare, even though majority is just 15kHz wide-screen CRT TVs. HD TVs (CRT) are definitely rarer.

>>9155989
It was a choice Sony did on purpose, component didn't have that problem

>>9155861
>>9155871
It's easier to find 480i/576i non-100Hz widescreen CRT TVs in Europe, definitely.

If you mean 4:3, you can find consumer Trinitron sets for free, we've had people post listings. B&O are even given away for free, specially in Germany where there's a lot of those.

>>9155861
>which is really difficult here in Europe
What country? First time I hear someone having difficulty finding CRTs in Yurop

>>9155989
I did that and it thankfully worked.
really feel bad for people who didn't have fmcb.
>>9156024
Finland
btw I found this website https://www.usedproductsmaastricht.nl/b-ampo-beovision-mx7000-david-lewis-design-met-de.html#

I have 5 working CRTs and I don't know what to do with them. What's the general price tag these things sell? What are the best places to sell them? My father wants to put them in the trash but I'm fairly sure there's market for them.

>>9156001
The ban on analog RGB output was agreed upon by the DVD Forum long before the PS2 came out. Sony even argued that the PS2 wasn't a DVD player and thus didn't have to comply to those rules, but eventually they bent the knee and disabled RGB output when playing DVDs.
https://www.eetimes.com/dvd-content-illegally-copied-off-playstation-2/

>>9156043
Don't trash them.

>>9156042
Yeah that looks good. I thought you were specifically after wodescreen TVs though, but if not then that's perfect.

>>9156043
give them away for free if you dont need them or for a case of beer or something

>>9156042
I've used and had good luck with http://www.huuto.net/

>>9156042
That's in Netherlands, you're in Finland, anon.

>>9156064
I have no idea how people living in their countries have no idea about their own sales sites
People are constantly complaining there's nothing in the market or that it's all eBay and eBay prices, yet when I ask where they live and look up their classifieds sites, there's always plenty

Not talking about this anon specifically, just in general

>>9155935
Chassi # 11AK08 if this helps

>>9156042
>>9156054
>>9156069
Did one of you actually bought it?
>>9156064
I've looked into it anon only two CRT TV

What happens if you plug component into RGB or vice versa? It's not bad or anything right?

Guy with the raspberry pi here again, thinking about getting an odroid n2 to replace it

Small chance but has anyone here tried running it on a CRT? I want to see if the 240p test turns out any better.

>>9156198
Nothing bad, it just work work. If you plug the green RCA into component, you should even get a monochrome picture.

Technically both are component, RGB and YPbPr, it's just that most people think of YPbPr when you mention component and vice versa.

>>9156220
You're using RGB? The Pi RGB cable might not be compatible with the GPIO of the N2.

how do i get my rasberry pi to output composite?

>>9156043
If they have composite and no major issues: $100. If they have component and mild issues: $200. Component no issues: $300

>>9156332
Thank you.

>>9156043
Dont sell them, list them on facebook marketplace for free. If you try to sell them guarantee you arent going to get any buyers for months and they'll just be sitting around until your dad decides to throw them out.

>>9156332
American prices are fucked up man

>>9156373
No offense euro but we aren’t poor like you.

>>9156385
I am American, I just haven't bought a CRT in ages, faggot

>>9156385
>I'm not poor so I'm happy to pay for shit you can get for free
American logic, I see. No offense taken.

>grow up in the 90s a poorfag
>televisions we had were pretty crummy
>having a remote to go alongside our tv was considered a luxury
>grow up
>get a free excellent condition trinitron
>picture quality looks amazing
>comes with a remote
>play saturn and playstation games on it a lot
>eventually notice there's something not quite right with the picture, subtle, but a little off
>right side of the screen is a little higher than the left, not quite perfectly straight and aligned, as if the picture was a little tilted
>use remote to see what options exist for the tv
>there's a fucking tilt option
>tilt the picture two or tree degrees until it is perfectly straight again
Technology is incredible.

>>9156198
Anon >>9156292 is right, both RGB and YPbPr are component signals. It's just that the word "component" is usually used for YPbPr.

Anyway, here's what actually happens when you mix them up. Typically an RGB input would be SCART (and that carries external sync on one of the pins all the time) and YPbPr would be 3 RCA connectors. So:
RGB signal into YPbPr input: no picture (no sync on the green/Y plug, so it could be rolling or just show nothing, RGsB should show up; if it shows anything then the colors are messed up anyway);
YPbPr signal into RGB input: green picture (luma treated as green, Pb and Pr make little difference here; sync is sourced from the composite video pin in SCART).
Now, that's with a standard TV. A PVM has on/off switch for external sync, so you get two more options. The above is equivalent to YPbPr with no external sync and RGB with ext sync on.

>>9156292
it just won't work*

I have a Magnavox 80 that wont power up, the sound works though. I'm not going to fix it, but I dont want to trash it either. Any KY anons here that want it? These are well-regarded monitors. It has composite and ttl rgb connections. Probably just needs flyback or caps replaced.

Should I get a VCR or is that taking things too far? I could just pirate shows but I want to see if my old 90s tapes still work.

>>9155989
im pretty sure my ps2 did this when i played dvds that were from a different region, possibly import games as well or they may have been in black and white like psx i forget, the solution was to buy an rgb scart cable that has a switch to change from AV to RGB. my console/trinitron was pal only, when i played ntsc i had to flip the switch to RGB to fix it, the colours were slightly darker than AV, not sure if this is proper RGB, also my trinitron has an orange RGB scart input

>>9156806
RGB doesn't care about NTSC or PAL
If you could use RGB, you could play either in a PS2

The AV and RGB switch switched between composite and RGB, since composite works fine for DVD playback in PS2

>>9155989
Anon, DVDs were encoded in composite. Maybe you thin HD DVD or something?

>nice specs
>awful build quality
I've throw a good half a dozen of these damn things in the trash from friends places over the years after they stopped working. Shame since 480p widescreen some with flat tubes sounds quite nice on paper for Xbox and PS2 games.

>>9156832
Or maybe the problem is you?

>>9156814
Nope, DVDs are encoded in MPEG-2, which uses the YCbCr color space. And YCbCr is the digital equivalent of YPbPr, which people usually call component.
You got it mixed up with VHS or other analog videotape formats, those are just composite NTSC or PAL. S-VHS uses separate luma and chroma (S-Video).

>>9156812
yeah i wasnt sure if it was proper rgb as i thought u wud need a tv that supports rgb thru scart, im not sure if my old trinitron did but the one i got after does tho i only just found that out, so not sure if i plugged into the orange rgb scart socket, i just remeber having green screen with american region dvds, i think i had to load the dvd with action replay to bypass the region check and the rgb lead to change from green screen to color, only thing about the rgb lead is my picture was slightly off centre and the aspect was off, tho the trinitron had a wide button to compensate

>>9157027
Pretty much every Trinitron with a SCART connector did. Specially in the 90's but I have even small 80's Trinitron consumer sets that do. Also did NTSC, not just RGB and PAL60.

If yours had a wide button, it was definitely new enough to support RGB over SCART.

Anyone tried to fix bending on flat screen Sonys with these rings?

https://youtu.be/otwPa-nhcTg

Does it really work? I've never opened a crt before but shit is driving me crazy.

>>9157114
That's what those rings are for, any geometry you can't adjust with service menu or pots, you gave to do using those.

Do ya'll look down on people with Wegas?

>>9157027
You'd have green screen on every DVD over RGB, not only those from other regions. Action Replay actually did the RGB hack mentioned earlier in addition to letting you launch discs from other regions.

>>9157139
No, as long as you're having fun, nothing to look down at, even when my personal standards and tastes are different.

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>9156325
You have to edit the config.txt on the SD card, its disabled by default.

Set

Enable_tvout= 1
hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1
sdtv_mode = 0 for ntsc, 2 for PAL, 16 for NTSC 240p, 18 for PAL 240p

When youre finished with it can you load up 240p on the Genesis emulator and do the color bleed test? I want to see if you get the same results I do.

>- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
How are zoomers so retarded? Seriously

>>9148895
Would a ceramic bearing ball from a slingshot be enough to implode that, or will I need something bigger?

>>9157179
Depends on the size of the ceramic bearing.

>>9157131
Can you tell me what those rings are called?

>>9157131
have*

>>9157193
purity/convergence rings

>>9155737
honestly if the setting's for it in the service menu, you can mitigate the input lag to less than a frame to less than 2 frames depending on the input resolution, comparable to an lcd but with better motion clarity. the input lag might not be noticeable depending on the game

the main problem isn't even latency since that might not even be a HD TV
it's the fact that it's 100Hz and usually that can't be turned off

>>9157179
Might chip the screen but I don't think anything you can do with a slingshot with bust a CRT open. Maybe a really old one. They generally use strong as fuck tempered glass for the screen.

>>9156332
actual prices:
not working: free
24" and larger: free
less than 24": free to $100
sony anything: $50 to $100

>>9157243
Change everything to free and currency to Euro and it's perfect.

>>9157230
Was meant for
>>9157218

>>9157038
thats good to know its proper rgb, just wish i hadnt cut up my other rgb multi lead for gc/ps2/xbox.

>>9157143
that was probably why i had green screen then, i forget, it was like 17yrs ago.

>>9156385
america is a third world country in drag

>>9157263
If that's true, why is my life so nice?

>>9157270
you just don't know better

>>9157263
America is great if you're rich, absolute dogshit if you're poor. Billionaires' paradise.

>>9148997
Any tips to find good thrift stores that could sell CRTs?

>>9157284
Literally the reason and point why and by who it was funded.

>>9156598
What part of KY?

>>9157172
Ok i got it working at sdtv mode 0. Its late and I have work tomorrow so I’ll try that tomorrow. Do I need to use the 240p testing suite or what

>>9157606
Thanks!

https://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=240p_test_suite#Sega_Genesis.2FMega_Drive

You can download it here, Genesis version is the best.

Also Id recommend SDTV mode 16 for scanlines since unfortunately most retroarch emulators dont have options natively to scale down to 240p.

>>9156659
VCR is fun and has soul

>>9157764
retard

>>9157764
What anime

>>9157764
Congratulations, Dragon Half is the best Animu.

>>9156659
please kindly do the needful sir.

>>9157880
the box is literally in the pic but its dragon half you should watch it

>>9157764
>/g/ thread dies
>ranfag immediately starts so shitpost /vr/

>>9157953
I dont shitpost usually my posts are true and honest

trinnytron for lo res pretty good

>i dont shitpost usually
>proceeds to shitpost

>>9158026
What do you mean by shitpost?
Trolling?
Because im not trolling im using a trinitron for some 480p and it looks great.
Low effort posting?
Maybe im pretty drunk

>>9158052
You're using imagine boards like fucking D*scord, doubleposting zero-effort garbage. Except even fucking D*scord is above your standards since you keep getting banned from everywhere.

>>9158063
>doubleposting bad
says the mass replyer.
Listen buddy if I want to post something I dont I dont need to wait and then compile all I have to say into a big paragraph, its an imageboard not a book

>NOOOO YOUR POSTING THE WRONG WAY!!!
>YOU CANT MAKE TWO POSTS YOU JUST CANT ITS NOT HECKIN 4CHINZ CULTURE
>W-WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE ON IMAGEBOARDS NOOOO POST THE WAY I WANT YOU TOO OR THIS F520 WILL DIIIEEEEE

>>9158073
And there he goes assuming everyone who doesn't like him is the touhou fag...

>>9158073
>>9158076
Calm down, retard

>>9158079
dumb nigger

>>9158076
>i dont shitpost usually

>>9158086
I had to wojak post to show how stupid your argument is im sorry

Cant we all just get along?

>>9158095
>let me actively shit up the thread to prove i'm not shitting up the thread

>>9158103
oh now the German with the shitty crt is gonna preach us

>>9158108
its not a dick measuring contest, I am quite happy with my crts

>>9158117
Your pictures are an eyesore

>Germany
>Land of free high end CRT monitors, cheap PVMs and top of the line free consumer sets
>Posts and hoards the lowest tier crap
How?

>>9158125
NEET with no money and car

>>9158126
I don't spend money or CRTs or have a car either, public transport exists and is cheap, yet even my worst CRT TVs and monitors are higher end than the crap anon posts

>>9158129
on*

>>9158129
It's not hard to get a nice collection over time

>>9158132
>over time
I've only been doing it for a little over a year since I had to move and couldn't take my old ones with me

>>9158103
Post more pics of that CRT.

>>9158135
whatever you say

>>9158125
I have 21' Crt monitors but I dont obsess over muh high end stuff.
>>9158129
>CRT TVs
>High end
I have two panasonics that I consider "high end" TVs, still prefer my sharp.
All TVs are 480i/576i so it makes even less sense to only go for the reddit desired models, any crt TV with a proper calibration is pretty much equal.
This obsession with high end stuff (Especially for playing old consoles on LMAO) is just stupid

>>9158137
its one of my favorite TVs, has a good image and is easy to carry around with a handle.
was the first crt I picked up from the street and the one that got me into collecting

>>9158141
>21"
Lol

>This obsession with high end stuff (Especially for playing old consoles on LMAO) is just stupid
There's nothing wrong with wanting quality equipment, nobody was talking about pitch or lines

such a fun little crt

>>9158148
>quality equipment
no reason to get any either

>>9158154
holy cope

>>9158148
offcourse there is nothing wrong with wanting quality equipment but the stuff I have is not "shit".
If I had a car as the other anon pointed out id have a 2070sb and one of those 141khz iiyamas but i dont so my options are a little more limited.

If you spent more/ got more lucky with finding stuff then me good for you, but theres no reason to insult each other about it

>>9158073
>Listen buddy if I want to post something I dont I dont need to wait and then compile all I have to say into a big paragraph, its an imageboard not a book
It's called taking your time to make quality posts.

>>9158162
nothing wrong with making a second post to correct yourself or adding something you forgot.

Greetings, so I made a thread about this issue before, but no one seems to know any solution.
does any crt expert know a way to fix this?
it's the jailbars issue, it's the second tv I have that have this issue.
note this is not my pic, too lazy to take one

If we want to brag, I have rescued this crt out of an abandoned building and carried it home severeal kilometers.
Whats the most you have done for a crt?

>>9158170
some old games have black borders its normal.
To "fix" it you can increas horizontal size, either with a remote in the service menu or with a potenciometer on the mainboard

>>9158164
How little self-awarness do you have? How is your
>uwu i love ran so much
tier double-posts correcting or adding anything of value into anything?

>>9158173
I'm not talking about the black borders.
it's the white/grey vertical lines

>>9158175
why do you care so much about my posting peculiaritys?
I love my wife thats what it adds

Holy ....

>>9158178
you should reduce the overscanning and see if it goes away.
if not it could be a bad cable/ interference of some kind potencially.
but reduce brightness so blacks become black and it should be much less noticable

>>9148895
the joke is that tv is just 29"

>>9158185
its 40'

>>9158190
it was a joke about her being a dwarf

I dont understand why my presence causes so much butthurt, could you maybe you know post about crts instead of me?

>>9158197
>I dont understand why my presence causes so much butthurt
It's been explained to you in this very thread

There's a simple trick, don't reply and just report shitpost or low quality posts.
Works for other threads, will work here too, just post a reminder every time the shitposting starts so people don't forget.

>>9158198
explain to me in detail what im doing wrong or i will never get it because im socially retarded.

I make people mad I go under their skin these people need to learn to be a little bit nicer

Cope and seethe at the end of the day I will still be smarter and better then you no matter how angry you are you will always be a faggot you know?

I like the mitsushita brand but their later products were a bit too fragile for me.
I think the 90s is when they peaked and made the best sets like this 28' panasonic. It has RGB inputs a good service menu, RCA out and anything else you could want.
It can even tell if you g2 is too low or high for good gamma in the service menu, truly a masterpiece of TV design

What you probably didnt know is that panasonic used multiple factory to make their tubes, one of them is from germany one from the UK.
Despite these regional differences the qualits of the EURO 4H chassis is outstanding and not matched by cheaper sets, only Toshiba JVC and achieve the same or higher quality.
Their TVs are exceptionally serviceable with the mainboard being removable with 6 screws and just pulling out, negating the need for a complete dissasembly.
Despite that working on the later EURO 4 chasis is a bit difficult due to the placement of the screws but its still a well documented and easy to service TV with a higly comprahensible service manual.
Without a doubt these TVs set a high standard for Television manufacturers of the time.
The build and engeneering quality remains unchallendged even today.

So to anyone considering picking up a panasonic of this era it can only be encouraged.
Alot of manufactures like Palladium replicated mitshitas design but do not be fooled: the panasonic sets are superior in every way.
Though adjustment of geometry and convergance in the service menu may be a little limited, it easy to correct with convergance magnets due to free space around the yoke.
This is why I like the Euro-4 chassis from Panasonic.

>>9158242
thanks for selling me on a 20+ year old tv brand my nigga
any particular models to look out for?

>>9158249
I dont have a big enough sample size to recommend a specific model, but the bigger the set the higher the quality usually is.
Get what is cheap and available

>>9158236
what i like about your picrel is how thin that tv is, what specific model is this? dont mean to ask that a 2nd time >>9158253 generally crts get confusing as shit given just how many used to get made. i cant even remember what my last one was because consoomer models tended to all look the same.

>>9158264
its not actually that thin, its twice as thick in the middle.
Moddle is a Panasonic Quintrix, quite a nice TV

>>9158265
googled, ive been fooled by crt fat girl side profiles once again kek.
Its fascinating how everything in the 90s was significantly of higher value/quality than now, even the entertainment centers built to handle the absolute size of these lads were better than the particleboard bullshit of today. Im having to redo my setup and think of how i'd handle my collection + a crt + 2 monitors all in this small room, theres really no furniture made today thatll do the job well without collapsing.

>>9158272
Anyone who says shit like this is actually just poor or clueless. There was a lot of cheaply made consumer hardware in the 90's.
You can't compare shitty budget shit for a couple hundred from today against something that coated over or several grand in the 90's, just because it's cheap now.

Seriously, not even shitposting but that's "zoomer" as fuck.

>>9158272
90s were a better time for quality, my big quintrix has a tube made in germany, you wouldnt see that today everything is made for cheap in china now

>>9158272
>theres really no furniture made today thatll do the job well without collapsing.
Because you're looking at cheap IKEA crap, that was a thing back in the day too, your parents just bought better

>>9158275
even the most expensive TVs of today are all made in china

>>9158282
Wrong and also not an argument.

>>9158275
there was cheaply made consumer hardware but it was far less easy to just run into it compared to today, i would know retard i was a young zoomer with a crt that worked like a fucking charm and it was thrown out in favor of a new 720p tv that became useless once 1080p was the norm. All of those tvs/monitors ive been through now, whether high end or not, are now dead or no nonfunctioning because of one small part dying whereas the crts made 20 years ago, cheaply or not, still kick just fine.
Fuck off with your faggot elitism you niggerfaggot.
>>9158279
yeah its strange today seeing labels with made in literally any country but china, my dt 770s are made in germany coincidentally.
>>9158281
>IKEA
nigger i dropped $300 recently on a bookcase from a supposedly higher end furniture manufacturer, still china, still particleboard. Ashley furniture was a major furniture store here in my hometown, they built their shit to last 15~ years ago with real wood and made the switch to particle just recently. Its pretty much worldwide to outsource to china now.

>>9158282
>Everything
>Changes goalpost to just TVs
Lame

>>9158289
>I'm a zoomer
Case closed.

>>9158294
yeah i was regretting my reply the minute i hit post, because i knew a faggot of your caliber was just going to respond with that.

>>9158296
Not your fault, you just weren't around at the time and don't have personal experience. I was born in the late 70's, I already bought my own hardware and furniture in the 90's.
No offense, it's easy to have a warped image of reality of a time you didn't experience yourself.

>>9158297
i literally said i had personal experience kek, everyone i knew had crt's.
i dont know how you guys, once you reach 30, instantly lose any perception of how memory and lived experience works. All zoomers between 23 and 25 have vivid memory of the early 2000s, we were around just for the end of the 90s era of gaming, crts, fucking vcrs. I have a vcr right here next to me. These things didnt magically dissapear, we didnt just lose all memory of our childhoods. There were no "cheap crts" people complained about like cheap tech today. If there was generally the solution was to smack the shit out of it until i worked, i remember doing that all of one time when my wii wouldn't work correctly.
dont make me regret wasting 30 seconds on this response with a "yea u zoomers just dont know :^) again

>>9158279
>>9158289
Are you actually poor or something? I don't buy and China made furniture, there's so many better options

Hardware is hit and miss, but good hardware has good QC and materials when you go with quality brands at quality price points, even when made in China
Those companies have actually smart people at the spot to deal with things, the factory line worries themselves are no dumber or smarter it more or less skilled than a factory line worked in a Sony plant in Japan or Philips plant in Europe in the 90's

>>9158289
>i was a young zoomer
>i dropped $300
Eh, considering niggerposters are low IQ trash, you probably don't make much

>>9158303
>Zoomer
>Has personal market experience of the 90's
Nice one, you deserve a (You)

>>9158303
>All zoomers between 23 and 25 have vivid memory of the early 2000s, we were around just for the end of the 90s era of gaming, crts, fucking vcrs.
Holy kek Batman

>>9158308
>Are you actually poor or something?
not necesseraly but i take most of my furniture from the trash.
why spend money on something you can get for free?

>>9158310
>>9158313
unironically retarded, alzheimers patients over here kek
>>9158314
blessed trash man,prepare for a 5 paragraph rant your way about why youre a faggot for not specially selecting expensive "made in not china" furniture >>9158308

>>9158314
>I have no experience with the high end modern market, even though I talk about the 90's high end market and compare modern cheap market to old high end
>>9158289
>>9158303
>I'm a zoomer who pretends to remember the late 90's and buying and using things in the 90's vividly
Are you people mentally ill or something?

>>9158317
you could get cheap furniture back then and also today
there's nothing wrong with taking old good furniture from back in the day since it's cheaper or free thanks to being used and old now
I can't personally wait for nice adjustable desks that cost over a grand or more right now to be a hundred bucks in a decade or two so I can get myself some

Why so you faggots even reply to roleplaying zoomers? Report and ignore.

>>9158184
>you should reduce the overscanning and see if it goes away.
I don't have the remote
> reduce brightness so blacks become black and it should be much less noticable
I did that, worked fine for some games but others did not, also when I reduce it I con't see shit

>>9158318
Well im not wasting money on brand new furniture so yeah im not an expert in furniture

>>9158317
>prepare for a 5 paragraph rant your way about why youre a faggot for not specially selecting expensive "made in not china" furniture
Nah, I agree with >>9158320

>>9158323
Fair enough.

>>9155861
you need to play halo 3 on it
the HDR effect is amazing on a bright CRT

>>9158362
unfortunately, it does no have an HDMI input only SCART and s-video

>>9158371
You have brain damage widescreen 100hz anon im sorry.
No crt except some late HD ones have HDMI

>>9158371
360 has scart out, at least the old models do
you can get vga, component, composite, whatever
it has a built in video scaling chip so it will output nicely to everything

a lot of games will output unreadably tiny text but halo 3 only renders at 640p or something internally

>>9158374

>>9158371
Use the 360 RGB cable

>>9158374
Anon didn't claim otherwise?

>>9158378
>>9158389
interesting, I have slim model I think it have one, I look into it

>>9158392
slim one has AV out, but its hard to find the RGB scart cable today

I like how this thread instantly normalized again when the ranfag made a dedicated shitposting CRT thread on /g/ after being bullied here.

>>9158416
If he comes back, remember to just ignore and report. He only posts for attention.

>>9158416
still here and actively posting though I bet you cant tell which posts are mine.

>>9158421
no I actually want to talk about crts and anime girls

eizochan is cute

>>9158456
based cave man

>>9157139
the only people i look down upon are the ones that take their CRTs and dump them, whatever the make or model it is

if we ever get to the point where people start being elitists and treat people as "untr00 crt fan" because they don't have a PVM or some such model from specific manufacturers i will blame reddit and will personally slap the shit out of anyone i personally encounter that does that, for fuck's sake

>>9157139
I only look down in people who shit up threads for attention or only deal with CRTs just to post about them for uptoots and not actually use them

>>9158541
the great thing about CRT's is even the "crappy" ones are quite good

>>9158565
for most of /vr/, sure but I wouldn't play PS2 for example on a really crappy consumer set
even text would be unreadable

>>9158568
there's no different between consumer TVs

>>9158570
what? there's huge differences in pitch and TVL, not to mention quality

>>9158573
maybe in the 60s and 70s

>>9157198
So this one? But wouldnt it fuck with the colors?

>>9158574
even 2000's consumer sets of the same size can have hundreds of TVL in difference and be of variously different quality levels, not to mention features (RGB, geometry control, etc)

>>9158570
>t. i've never been around CRTs back in the day when they were the norm and all my knowledge comes from screenshots of people playing mario and FF7 on 00s trinitrons

How much lag is introduced if you convert VGA 31khz 480p to component, same resolution? I imagine something like this >>9155470 that has component inputs receives 31khz signals only via those and not via the RGB SCART inputs. I ask this because i want to connect a GPU to it and i don't imagine you can output component from a VGA or DVI port and your best bet would be to output RGB and then transcode that to component at the same resolution.

>>9158617
None if there's no scaling (just output 240p or 480i or if it does 31kHz, 480p), it's both analog. Maybe a few nanoseconds because the transistor switching time.

You can either transcode or I've seen people use HDMI to Component adapters work fine for that.

If it accepts 31kHz in general, it might also do it over RGBS, all you'd need is a VGA to SCART cable. Many 31kHz capable TVs did.

>>9158598
>it's the "you're a zoomer I rest my case" argument again
you really are a faggot

>>9158568
Readability comes with size and connection
I have a 28” consumer set with component transcoded to RGB and it’s the sharpest I’ve ever seen a PS2 look

>>9158672
No, only TVL matters, size has nothing to do with it if you're using TVL measurements.
A 600 TVL 14 incher is going to have much better readebility than a 450 TVL 28 incher, regardless of signal type used, but RGB is going to be the clearest. The opposite is true too.

>>9158686
The point being (related to
>>9158565) lower end (crappy) and/or older sets have lower TVL.

>>9158686
P.S. This does only apply for the same aspect ratio, but we're talking about boxed and not widescreen CRTs here. You can compare two wide-screen CRTs this way too of course if they both have the same aspect ratio.

>>9158645
Ok

>>9155217
Yes they did lmao

>>9158686
>>9158690
>>9158695
nigger, a bigger crt is easier to read, period

>>9158703
Nokia made great CRTs, but not the best ones.

>>9158703
>>9158708
Best computer monitors were shadow masks made in East Asia.

>>9158706
(You)

Reminder to not reply to Ranfag bait.

>>9158710
>Best computer monitors were shadow masks
HAHAHAHAHA
You boomers need a dementia check

>>9158710
And Nokia used those top-end Hitachi SMs and put them in ridiculously overbuilt Finnish chassi.
Shame they stopped making monitors after the 445, that thing was probably in top5 monitors ever during it's release year. IIRC Nokias monitor division was sold to Viewsonic or something, can someone correct?

>>9158718
Oh and lets not forget Nokia used the same 445 chassi for the famous Nokia 445Pro Trinitron.

>>9158723
Yeah the tubes were great, they were good monitors. I used to have 2 myself.
But they weren't best.

>>9158730
That had a .24 pitch.

>>9158734
>That had a .24 pitch.
So it only loses to the couple F500 variants and the damn GDM-F520 that came couple years after the 445(X)Pro?