/vr/ - Retro Games

I call it polyshit

your argument is garbage
you could actually bring up valid points like devs focusing too much on visuals and killing gameplay because of it. or how cutscenes were given priority over substance, or how voice acting ruined immersion or how 5th gen saw downfall of rpgs because of aforementioned issues. but nnooooooooo, you had to go with reddit tier non-argument. you should go back

>>9138309
A lot of games aged like shit and aren't fun to play. A lot of games are still a lot of fun to play today. The same could be said about any generation. Each gen has its quiks and I could just as easily name reasons for why a lot of NES, SNES, Or Xbox 360/PS3 era games don't up today.

>>9138314
see >>9138313

Btw I agree early 3d games were fucking garbage. I hated practically that entire generation of gaming. They could've spent all that time and money giving us quality 2.5D games like Valkyrie Profile, pushing the pixel art medium to it's limits and using the limited rendering capability's to give us nice shading effects and particle effects ontop of top notch pixel art for amazing 2d games.

But instead they flooded the market with hideous low grade 3d graphics. A big subject for discussion is often how one game "Made the jump to 3d" or didn't "make it" during the transition to 3d. That's because countless games (such as earthworm jim for example) decided to do away with the visual styles they had mastered and which had made themselves famous to begin with, to try and push an entire early access CONSOLE GENERATION on the youth and make the audience pay for the development of better graphics instead of selling us something we actually want to fucking play.

On the flipside if you're intentionally trying to learn low-poly as an artstyle it really helps to go back and look at some of the trash games that came out on N64 and early Playstation.

Could not agree more on the "Polyshit" label.

I basically stopped playing games for like 8 years during this period of time. It was the fucking dark ages of video gaming in my opinion. Nowhere near the videogame crash of 83 or whatever but still pretty fucking horrible.

It's like the whole industry just jumped on the chance to deepthroat and gargle on this hideous new art style and forced it on all of humankind. Everytime I went to the Video Update to rent a game I would look through the shelves and it was loaded with nothing but hot garbage. A pixelated game here or there which was actually fun and worth playing. What I wanted was something like the change in graphics from Megaman x3 to megaman x4.

I cannot stress enough how shit early 3d graphics were.

>>9138330
https://www.keengamer.com/articles/features/opinion-pieces/the-2d-game-series-entering-3d-tier-list/
Furthermore there's something to be said about how much everybody who wasn't a total fucking shill hated this whole 3d transition phase by the resurgence in popularity of pixel art, both as an art style and as the main graphics for modern commercial games such as Crosscode or Death Trash. Pixel Art still had so much left to offer the world. But nah, instead everybody rushed to force feed us shitty, garbage, muddy pre-rendered backgrounds and everything had to be fucking rendered on a polygon or else they wouldn't even consider making it.

I understand all the arguments about why this was necessary to reach decent looking games again on the ps2 and ps3 era of systems but good lord. Playing some of these games feels like passing a fucking kidney stone.

>>9138330
>"Made the jump to 3d" or didn't "make it" during the transition to 3d.
this one is the dumbest. there never should have been "Transition" to 3D. 2D IPs should have stayed 2D, and they should have made new IPs that were designed specifically to work in 3D from scratch like Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver. Mario 64 is biggest trash that whole gen that idiots somehow think is good. when in reality mario going 3D was biggest mistake in gaming history and we havent seen new real mario game for 15 years. from 6 golden coins (which was last true mario game) to new smb on fucking nds. 15 year gap because of your "3d transtion" that shouldnt have happened to previously established IPs that werent meant to be 3D
it feels like gaming never changed. they always wanted the trends and keeping it safe with established IPs rather than trying something new because it's cost risk, which is why the rehasing same old today and doing these soulless remakes. im glad gaming is dead now. i dont care anymore

>>9138314
OP gives one (1) example without implying it's the only one. Instead of disproving it, you listed many others, which only strengthens the idea that 5th gen was polyshit.

>or how 5th gen saw downfall of rpgs because of aforementioned issues
You don't know as much as you think you do, if you're suggesting consoles had any importance to the overall quality of rpgs. Ironically, the one aspect console rpgs do better was actually taken to the extreme with 5th gen, yet you consider that their "downfall".

>>9138325
>A lot of games aged like shit and aren't fun to play. A lot of games are still a lot of fun to play today. The same could be said about any generation
You're ignoring the examples given for why this gen in particular has aged poorly, despite how recent it was.

>>9138340
Wow. I'm the guy who hated Earthworm Jim 3d earlier in the thread and even I didn't hate Super Mario 64 lol. That game WAS arguably good and set the bar for 3d platformers for the rest of time as we know it.

That being said, 90% of 2d titles tried to go 3d and fed us their awful beta-level "Graphical Upgrades" that looked like fucking shit. And I'm still made about it almost 20 years later.

Mario did 3d good. And as I was previously talking about, both Donkey Kong Country Returns and New Super Mario Brothers Wii returned to the 2d camera angle because they finally realized what we actually wanted to fucking play wasn't "Super Mario 64". And some franchises (Like Sonic for example) repeatedly try to make a good 3d game and fail. I'm sorry but I've never, ever enjoyed a sonic 3d game. Not even once. And I've played practically all of them at one point or another. They all sucked hairy sasquatch dick for one reason or another.

Gameboy Advance was a step in the right direction as it was still an upgrade over what the SNES could accomplish for the most part. While still pushing what 2d games were capable of.

It's like videogame makers TRULY BELIEVED that just because it was in 3d we would wolf it down mindlessly and turn our wallets inside out for them.

For example, shadow madness on the PSX. Where they intentionally tried to replicate the success of long, multi-disc RPG's like Final Fantasy 7.

Not only did I not enjoy final fantasy 7, I didn't enjoy shadow madness either. It bombed on release and 20 years later it still looks and plays like shit. As well as practically bankrupting the company that made it, and eliminating any good will Tim Woolsey might have earned over the years and turned him back into a household joke. I fucking hated this game. I fucking hated the whole videogame industry during this period of time.

You don't know angst until you've lived through a decade of shitty videogames.

>>9138330
>I basically stopped playing games for like 8 years during this period of time. It was the fucking dark ages of video gaming in my opinion. Nowhere near the videogame crash of 83 or whatever but still pretty fucking horrible.
Handheld gaming systems were all still in 2D, and there were several great 2D games on home consoles which pushed all of the stuff that you mentioned earlier in your post. On the N64 there's great games like Kirby 64 and Yoshi's Story, Playstation had Mega Man and Castlevania, Saturn had some fucking amazing 2D games and 2.5D stuff like Grandia. And tons more that I didn't mention. And not all 3D games from that era were bad, there was plenty of good stuff that's still highly regarded today like Mario 64, Mega Man Legends and Zelda.

You gave up your hobby for 8 years because you over exaggerated.

>>9138356
Grandia was great. I loved Megaman Legends.

I also really liked Mischief Makers on N64.

I was just kind of mad at the entire videogame industry because instead of using all that disc space for, say, voice acting or hand drawn anime cutscenes, they forced everyone into playing games where basically everything on the screen was geometric cubes and red colored triangles that are supposed to be spaceships but honest to god, even as a kid it looked like a flying red triangle shooting crappy laser beams to me then as a 12 year old child and it still looks that way to me now as a 32 year old man.

I played maybe 10-15% of the games that came out. Yoshy's Island was also a great example of the amazing art we could've had in videogames during that period if the industry would just stop it with the obsession with flying cubes and triangles.

I also really enjoyed the "Pixel art ontop of Low Poly" aesthetic like in Final Fantasy Tactics.

And yes I know all 3d graphics are cubes and triangles. But the geometry was never as obvious and jarring as it was during the 5th gen of console gaming.

It was like "Wow in this game I can drive my cube into other cubes and shoot my cube gun at the other cubes to make them explode into more cubes"

I was over it then and I'm definitely still over it now. 5th gen was 90% trash.

And, I mean, of course, I'm mostly talking about games made during the transition to 3d. Games like Metal Gear Solid and Vagrant Story had pretty amazing graphics. But lest we forget, these games all came out during the tail end of the 5th generation.

I was pretty mad that we went from Megaman X1, X2 and X3, basically a perfect trilogy of platforming bangers, to garbage like "Croc" and "Wayne Gretzky's 3d Hockey". Barf. Puke. Lord save me and just give me a pixelated Megaman x4. Oh wait, they did? Thank god.

Also games like Legend of Mana were timeless classics and that's why they've been given remasters and re-releases on today's computers

>>9138345
Look how low detail that looks compared to a random screenshot from the prior gen.

>>9138369
>Games like Metal Gear Solid and Vagrant Story had pretty amazing graphics
Those are some of the best examples and yet still look so crude compared to what was came out a couple years later on 6th gen hardware. 5th gen wasn't a proper gen, just training wheels for 6th.

>>9138376
if they never learned to make 3d games on 5th gen it would have been 6th gen games that would have sucked ass,you guys are fucking stupid.

>>9138376
Yup. Some people would say nobody forced me to play crappy 3d games. But picture this. You've already played all the SNES games and the only new games are these crappy proto-3d games coming on on the playstation.

Another great example; Castlevania Symphony of the Night? Total banger. One of the greatest games ever made.

Castlevania 64? Universally reviled, even to this day.

Most financially and critically successful metroid game to come out in years? Well, guess what, it went back to the 2d camera angle.

It took nearly 30 goddamn years but videogame developers are finally starting to realize the entire transition to 3d was a mistake, and that they were wrong to try and fix what was never broken to begin with.

>>9138385
Entitled folk like this never had to pay $60 as a 13 year old kid to buy a copy of fucking "Quest 64" just to get home, unbox it, and find out what a piece of shit it is, and how swindled you feel having spent your christmas money on a piece of unplayable shit like this.

It's easy to sit in your Ivory Tower and Guffaw at people saying 5th gen was fucking awful when you never paid any money for it. But remember that, at the time, these were considered the triple-A games and they were charging a premium for them.

At the time it felt pretty blatant that we the consumers were paying for the developers to upgrade their hardware and learn the new tech. Not for the games themselves.

Many games felt like Novelty products. "Well how about megaman... IN THREE DEEEEEE!!11!1!1!"

How about you give me a good game and I'll give you the money. No? I guess I'll go play soccer then.

In a way I should be grateful to this shitty generation of games. I definitely touched grass more often back then because videogames were still boring shitty things you did to fill in the void in your life that came from not having an internet connection or a good social life or hobbies beyond the playstation.

Back then we were forced to get creative for our fun. But I digress.

Thank God we have 5th gen, eurocomputers, and the Atari 2600
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>>9138309
no, 5th gen had some of the best gamea ever made and you are a retarded faggot.

>>9138438
>>9138438
>>9138438
Where you even there for 5th generation or are you just looking back on it with rose tinted glasses now that we can emulate 5th gen on any potato or raspberry pi for free?

Cuz I can tell you from experience paying money for these ugly games sucked ass. I was there.

>>9138389
You forgot the part where the Metroid Prime games were the only reason the series even survived before Dread.

>>9138339
>https://www.keengamer.com/articles/features/opinion-pieces/the-2d-game-series-entering-3d-tier-list/
>Fallout 3
>feeling like it finally became the games they always wanted to be
>Fallout 3 achieved huge ambitions: a karma system, decent story, freedom of choice in tackling objectives, and the VATS shooting allowing players to blast away individual body parts for a variety of effects.
HAHAHAHAHA
>Wave Race
Why did they picked that specific title of the entirety of racers? They were great on 5th gen and contemporary PCs, and it was the only mainstream genre that went to 3D seamlessly and never looked back.
Also, including some series that were dead for 5th gen and were resurrected later is kinda cheating.

>Best JRPGs
>Best shmups
>Best 3D platformers
>Best strategy RPGs
>Best fighting games
>Best survival/action horror
>Best lightgun games
Gen 5 was the literal peak of gaming. The last gen before the push for realism began, and so many creative, experimental games were released using the new technology of 3D.

Nobody in this thread was born prior to 9/11

>>9138473
I struggle to think of any of them.

When I think of creative, experimental or innovative games, I think of how I bought and owned mad maestro, Mr mosquito, Guitar Hero and the Sony Eyetoy all around the exact same period of time. All Ps2 titles. I've still never played another game that required me to swing my arms around on a webcam since the Eyetoy came and went with a whisper. That felt like peak gaming era to me. But then again I never really got to experience the Nintendo Wii properly. Even nowadays while trying to emulate it, a lot of the motion controls and light gun games don't emulate properly without using a real wiimote. In which case why bother emulating, why not just buy the whole ass system and the discs. It makes me sad. I wonder how much longer before I'll be able to catch up with the rest of the planet and really get to enjoy the Wii.

God I'm digressing. Never mind.

PlayStation did pretty much only one thing right and that was obscure JRPGS.

Wild arms. Vandal hearts. Kartia. Several of the better 3d final Fantasys before it became a "K-Pop band with swords saves the universe" kind of franchise.

Some of the horror games were ok too but the amount of blatant resident evil ripoffs was almost hilariously bad. They even copied the tank controls. It's like the whole fifth Gen had no original ideas left so they just regurgitated the shitty tank controls over and over again with crappy "Galerians" and "Dino Crisis" ripoffs.

Even silent hill had tank controls although the movement was a lot less rigid and horrible.

"Experimental and creative" . Hah!
Pretty much all the games were the same back then. You just got to choose your flavor of tank controls or rpg. Even fucking win back on n64 was just a semi blatant ripoff of metal gear solid.

>>9138484
Actually I remember exactly what I was doing on 911. I came home from school and I remember clearly having a mad craving for Star fox 64. But my family was gathered around the boobtube (a big monstrous CRT that took up a third of the living room and could probably crush a man to death which sat directly on the floor) and I couldn't get on. Someone said terrorists did it and I pictured cool terrorists like counter strike. A week later I found out it was a bunch of dirty towel heads.

I was already half grown by the time 911 happened. Try again zoomie.

>>9138473
Best fighting game of 5th generation was probably guilty gear and again, that weren't no 3d game

>>9138441
I was there too. I had a decade of 2d games and i had enough. I wanted to play 3d games and they were awesome, still are. I don't care how bad they look or play because i don't touch modern shit so i don't judge them by modern standards.

>>9138405
>Entitled folk like this never had to pay $60 as a 13 year old kid to buy a copy of fucking "Quest 64" just to get home, unbox it, and find out what a piece of shit it is, and how swindled you feel having spent your christmas money on a piece of unplayable shit like this.
Rentals and demo discs, nigga. Try before you buy. Everyone I knew and myself used them.
It's understandable if you got it as a gift, but if you bought a game for full price without knowing what you were in for, at the very least through magazine reviews, that's on you.

>>9138309
Your whiney generation of biscuitheads is mostly worthless in retrospect


PS1 was too original to be bad. Plenty of stuff worth playing on it. You probably only love generic crap because creative stuff scares you

>>9138502
First time I played Armored Core was the demo disc. I was so obsessed I played the same level over and over again until Id bought everything in the store. In the damn demo.

Can you blame me tho? For early 5th Gen 3d action game the controls were actually pretty tight. Framerate was high and game was fast and fun.

It's only now that I'm older that I can appreciate the crisp framerate of F Zero on Gamecube and such. No wonder that game felt fast. It traded graphical fidelity for a very high frame rate. I never noticed until I booted it up recently for the first time in years.

Grand theft auto 3 was also a big game changer when it came out. I remember I borrowed it from a friend and I played it for almost a solid 36 hours straight because I couldn't take my eyes off it. It was so fresh and I WA Ted to play as much of it as possible before I had to give it back.

Conkers Bad Fur Day was also a really notable game but like other examples of "good 5th Gen" it pretty much came out at the same time playstation 2s were hitting the shelves so it almost doesn't count when it comes to this argument.

I was so broke I remember trading demo discs with my friends.

So yeah I'm still a little bit salty over every broken promise and bad game I ever bought. Funds were fucking tight back then.

I still remember looking at my friend in shock like I had just found out he was a real wizard, the first time he installed nesticle with a copy of dragon warrior and casino kid on my Pentium 2 computer with 2 Gb hard drive.

It was tough being a gamer back then.

Shit, I still remember when arcade machines were still a popular thing. I miss that shit. But I'm getting off topic again.

>>9138385
The OP isn't about whether 5th gen should have sucked or not. It's asking how many agree it sucked. Some seem to be saying it wasn't a visual downgrade.

Saturn has aged so fucking well. Sega's decision to focus on 2d and 3d might not have been financially viable but it has made the Saturn a timeless console

I mean mgs and Tekken look and play like shit now, Tekken tag made 3 useless and mgs 2 did the same for mgs 1

The N64 is the worst piece of shit ever made

Saturn games hold up

Sega as always never let down its faithful

>>9138309
No one cares

And you're wrong

>>9138309
Nah, 5th gen is the best gen.

I was mindblown when I played this as a kid. That was out of this world, considering I only had a SNES prior to that.

>>9138556
Not sure which game this is and I feel bad for not knowing lol

>>9138534
You must be baiting me lol.
I actually enjoyed the Sega saturn too. I liked the design of the controller. I remember clearly it was "Rayman" the first game on a disc I'd ever played and I was very impressed by it at a friend's house.

But besides that I can't think of many, or even any classic Sega saturn games that have held up over time. Especially after most of its console exclusives like grandia got ported over to other systems. Kind of like what happened to the dreamcast.

A lot of ppl shit on the dreamcast while enjoying space channel 5 or resident evil code Veronica without knowing that for a long time the Sega Dreamcast was the only system that HAD space channel 5 or Resident Evil Code Veronica. Or Sonic Adventure or Shenmue.

Fuck. I just realized I can finally play Shenmue for myself and I finally have time to enjoy it.

I'm not op but I am the guy who's been harping on about this for like an hour now. I just remembered Shenmue so I'm gonna go enjoy that now. Thanks for the idea.

Have a good day everyone I'm out

If you want to silently protest how 5th Gen charged my generation an arm and a leg for shitty games, go pirate some 5th Gen today. My generation sacrificed many dollars to help end it and bring about the golden 6th age. You're welcome lol

>>9138575
Oh and before I leave "Shining Force 3" I think it was, was also a Sega saturn classic that hasn't been re-released anywhere else yet.

Besides that tho I can't think of anything

>muh graphics!
Graphicsfags were a cancer on gaming in the 90's, and nothing has changed about that. OP wants to praise 4th gen pixel art while whining about 5th gen 3D graphics, not realizing that graphicsfags demanding 3D ASAP is the reason why we got stuck with the low-poly 3D of the 5th gen in the first place. Graphicsfags were the ones during the 5th gen pointing and laughing at games like Castlevania Chronicles because "LOL that game isn't even 3D! What is this, a SNES game?" Graphicsfags were the ones buying FMV games and prolonging that horrible trend. Graphicsfags are the reason you never saw an Outfoxies or Escape From The Planet Of Robot Monsters arcade machine but every arcade had at least 4 Crusin' USA cabs. Graphicsfags are the reason Dragon's Lair was so widespread despite being "press X to not die":the game.
Graphicsfags have always been casual gamers only interested in the medium because they like they way it looks.

>>9138441
low poly looked good then and it still looks good now

>words words words
shit i just like to play games nigga

>>9138575
>But besides that I can't think of many
Do you want a list or something?

>>9138309
Only console you need to own for 5th gen is a playstation.
Part of the reason it's my favourite gen

I would never say that because there's a ton of great games on the playstation especially. That said while organizing isos/roms files, I did realize there's not as much in PS1's library I'd want to replay compared to PS2. The N64 is even smaller but the better games on that system were really significant. Is understandable, it feels like the boom years for 5th gen was 96-99 with relatively fewer great games by 2000/2001, while 6th gen started really solid with the dreamcast and kept going strong until 05/06. There were less growing pains.
>>9138473
This is a pretty solid list of what 5th gen did best.

>>9138309
Nah. I love the PS1, Saturn and N64. Lots of great PC games came out back then too. My opinion is admittedly colored by nostalgia since the PS1 was the first console we had at home.
>>9138484
I was in the first grade in upstate New York. I was at school that morning and Good Morning America just happened to be playing on the TV mounted on one of the walls of my classroom. Some of my classmates and I were drawing NYC landscapes on a big roll of butcher paper in the floor when our teacher suddenly let out an "Oh my god!" I looked up at the TV and 9/11 was happening. We all went home early.

>>9138727
They tried sending us home early in Canada too.
What a weird affair.

>>9138309
The visual art was bad because of the technical limitations from the hardware.

>>9138330
>He doesn't like shitty PS1/Saturn/N64 level of graphics
Sorry you can't get into them like we can bro.

>>9138730
Truly. I can only hope that you haven't had to deal with even a fraction of the ensuing media circus and propaganda machine it led to here.
We moved to the southern US the next year, and I would go on to have several teachers that would cry crocodile tears over it and make students watch footage of the attacks and people jumping from the buildings. It never sat well with me.

But to stay on topic, I really think the fifth gen of consoles was pretty solid. So many great games came out back then. Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Soul Edge, Mario 64, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, Gran Turismo, Wipeout, Sega Rally... I could go on. I don't really see how anyone could seriously contend this generation was a bust.

>>9138309
It was necessary growing pains for developers to really "get" 3D. The same thing happened with 2D, how before the NES there were Atari games that had the depth of smartphone shit. And it does help that shitty TVs back then hid how bad these games really looked. The N64 doesn't even let you use RGB, Nintendo didn't want you seeing that shit kek
I do sympathize that there's not a lot of 3D games from that era I care for. I recently played the Mega Man Legends games and they actually look nice (since they lean in on the anime style) but they play like ass.

>>9138309
The best thing about the gen is the prerendered background games which are all highly soulful. I also like the 2.5d games like Klonoa and Pandemonium. Aside from that the 3D games were mostly shit. I like Mario 64 but that's about it, Rare's games are also playable.
I think the reputation of the fifth gen is hurt by the fact that the big 3D games on PS1 suck; Crash is garbage and Spyro is like a proof of concept. "See? You can do a Mario 64-like game on PS1 hardware." Never mind that it's boring shit. Disney/Travellers Tales games were unironically much better 3D platformers but they are overlooked. RE is jank and Tomb Raider, while groundbreaking, kills the zoomer.

>>9138823

>>9138309
Firstly, there's tons of 2d 4th gen games in arcades and on Playstation and Saturn.
Secondly, almost everything on PC that wasn't an FPS game was 2d and it was an absolute golden age for strategy and RPG titles.
Finally, SNES was still going strong into 1996. Unless you're specifically talking the consoles, not the era.

>>9138835
see. the pc never had that problem with early 3D. because pc devs at the time were underground and were making shit for adults too. they werent chasing trends to make big buck like consoles were, so they waited until 3D got better, while they did 2.5D to fake 3D like doom and duke3d and waited for technology to catch up, so quake then looked amazing

I understand the OP's sentiment, but I feel that way about the mid 2000s, when you simply could not get 2d games anymore that weren't flash garbage.
4th gen 2d games were everywhere. I know because I specifically was looking for them because I have always liked sprite graphics better.

>>9138575
>Not sure which game this is and I feel bad for not knowing lol
Jackie Chan: Stuntmaster. Ofc it looks like shit but little me didnt knew any better

>>9138309
>GRAPHIX, GRAPHIX NO GOOD, BAD GAME MAKE, GEN NO GOOD, WHERE ARE GRAPHIX
Kill yourself, OP. I mean it. I'd call you a zoomer, but your post speaks for itself.

>>9138827
Had to put a few SNES games in there, eh? Just couldn't resist it, right, you stupid cunt?
People making these lists get carried away and fill them up with irrelevant EVERY SINGLE TIME. Actually, it's starting to seem like it's just one imbecile making them all. The lists look good, but then fucker just can't stop adding games until the list is practically meaningless.

>>9139239
calm down spaz

>>9138309
Classic contrarian. Go back.

>>9139249
>contrarian
If it was contrarian then those art styles would never have vanished into obscurity as soon as their shitty 5th gen tech limitations did. Meanwhile people continued to do 4th gen inspired 2D despite ever greater 3D possibilities. This >>9138428 is contrarian.

>>9139835
You don't see anyone make games with ps2 graphics, or ps3 graphics unless they are small budget or suck at making graphics. No one in the 16 bit era gave a fuck about NES graphics, and they thought looked like shit. Which it does. 8 bit is primitive and usually looks barebones or like a garbled mess if something like foliage is attempted. Yet people still play and enjoy 3rd gen games despite their lack of detail and bad sound. It's baffling how stupid you are. Anyway 5th gen 3d has been making a comeback for years. See Dusk, that tranny Bloodborne demake and Nightdive games. Low poly games fascinate people with in the same shitty 8 bit games do. Working within limitations to express things in simpler but nonetheless compelling ways. Plus right now early 3D, the early internet, late 90s technology is cool because of zoomer fake nostalgia for whatever was popular 20 years prior, and boomers wanting to indulge in their past. See all those New Blood low poly games, Nightdive rereleases and that tranny Bloodborne demake.

>>9138405
>>9138389
>>9138345

but modern games have been fucking shit forever so I do know the angst.

>>9139248
How is that guy the spaz when we've got someone here writing fucking essays about how much he hates 5th gen because uh graphics

No, not really. It's a very interesting and experimental era, and a lot of "retro" genres like shmups or sidescrolling action games peaked around this time.
I feel more fondness towards it than the 6th gen, with does kind of just look like a worse version of what came after it, in a lot of cases. I have no desire to go back to games like GTA3 now. It's just an open world game that's bad by modern standards. I don't care.

this is the zoomiest of larp threads I've seen on /vr/ by a long margin

5th Gen
>SMB 64
>Spyro
>Majora's Mask
>Conker's Bad Fur Day
>Crash Bandicoot
>Mario Party 1-3
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
>Metal Gear Solid
I could keep going, all classics, Majora's Mask might be the greatest game of all time. I don't care that some autismo in this thread was too dumb to read gaming magazines to get an idea of what was shit or what wasn't. That doesn't even begin to take into account all of the great 2D games like this anon mentioned
>>9138823
>>9138827

>>9138473
>Best Shmups
nope. 60% of Cave games are exclusive to PS2. Guessing youre a genre tourist
>Best lightgun games
kek
>Best Fighting games
PS1 was the absolute WORST console for fighting games. Rival Schools, Darkstalkers, Street Fighter, MK Trilogy all had load time issues and limited gameplay such as Hsien-Ko losing her super and Shang Tsung only being able to morph into 2 Kombatants. PS2 Also had the better fighting games.
>Best survival/action horror
Abhorrently Wrong. 2 Resident Evil games and Silent Hill 1 can only carry this era so much
>Best 3D Platformers
top lel
>Best JRPGs/Strategy RPGS
bingo. The only thing interesting/Quality from this era.

I disagree with that, game design in gen 5 was even better than in gen 4. there was nothing like SOTN in gen 4, maybe super metroid

>>9139868
>No one in the 16 bit era gave a fuck about NES graphics
Yeah they did, NES games were popular in the early 90s.
>they thought looked like shit.
No they didn't. NES games look cool.

>>9139926
> 60% of Cave games are exclusive to PS2. Guessing youre a genre tourist
Nearly every game had an arcade release. If youre talking about console ports, they ported more games to X360 than PS2. It seems that Ibara is the only game that was exclusively released on ps2 (but its also arcade)

>>9138884
>pc devs at the time were underground and were making shit for adults too. they werent chasing trends to make big buck
Bullshit. PC was a market just like everything else, it just was organized differently and didn't have generations in the same sence that consoles had.

>>9140128
Black Label DOJ and Mushi Futari on xb360 are completely gimped ports

What a crock of shit. There's few games that came out after the Syphon Filter trilogy that even compares to it.

As good as some of the later Resident Evil games are, none compare to RE2 and RE3.

So many of the PS1's JRPGs are amazing and still FAR better than the average modern JRPG. FF IX, Wild Arms 2 and Breath of Fire IV. Crash and Spyro are great. Parasite Eve 2 is awesome.

Those are just some of the best of the best 5th gen has to offer. I don't even like the game design in 4th gen and before, the difficulty, and other stuff. IMO, 5th gen and 6th gen are the pinnacle of video games.

>>9139897
because he's spazzing out and getting all emotional

What the fuck are you talking bout? The dawn of 3D was literally one of the most exciting and experimental times to be playing games since 1985.

>>9140161
PS1 has far better RPGs than say, SNES which gets regularly circlejerked.

>>9140208
SNES is way overrated for sure. But it does bang

>>9138309
>single-handedly shits on your opinion

>>9140210
Its best RPGs are all on PS1 and none of them are as good as the best PS1 RPGs, but this doesn't mean they're bad on SNES.

OP BTFO
#ywnbaw

>>9140239
>tfw you're using this shit thread as a way to acquire game recommendations for emulation

>>9140208
this

I can only play games from 4th gen onward. 8bit games just look too ugly

No. I just played Crash Bandicoot for the first time. Was amazing.

>>9140148
This much I can agree

From an art perspective those games hold up better than xbox and ps2 games because they are "better" but so much worse looking than what followed. So the extremely primitive graphics of the 4th gen have a strange charm to them due to limitations.

>>9139926
>Cavetranny
Eww, feel dirty having this thing reply to me

>>9138309
>tfw like some games on nearly all systems
>no need to console war
feelsgood

>>9139239
Drooling mongoloid retard.

>>9138309
5th gen 2D games exist. Also plenty of late 5th gen games are aesthetic as fuck.

I also like 5th gen 3D games for nit being as homoginized as later games—although this was still true about lots of early 6th gen titles as well.

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>I cannot stress enough how shit early 3d graphics were.
Mario 64 was the first and only time in my life that I was truly wowed by a graphical advancement.

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And all of this isn’t even counting innumerable gorgeous 2D games

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>>9142672
Hopefully that’s enough to fill your bait rec thread. Just ask next time instead of shitposting.

5th gen is the ultimate pleb filter

>>9138339
>CrossCode
Not retro, but the best game of the 2010s hands down.

I would consider it on of the best gens.

2D had more power to work with so you got load screens but higher visuals. SotN was filled with unique sprites and art everywhere that wouldn't work on a cart. Street Fighter games of the time are another good example with good sprite work that took gen4 and polished it with nicer looks and huge rosters.

3D had a charm to it. Since hyper real was just not possible it often went for cute or 2D in style. Filled with pretty hand painted backgrounds or fun looks like Breath of Fire. Rough sure, but even that rough look worked for some games like Armored Core.

And because it was a time where hardware leapt forward but budgets/teams still weren't that big the direction was still left to the creators. So you got all sorts of wacky shit like Incredible Crisis, Twisted Metal, Blasto, etc. We got serious games with story or horror but also still had fun and colorful games.

So the 3D may be low poly it was inventive and didn't all share the same engine/art look like now where you can instantly tell a Unity game or an Unreal game, or Crytek because the blend together in visuals relying on the same set of shaders with no art direction.

>>9138314
>N64 and PS1 "killed gameplay" by focusing too much on visuals
>voice acting ruined immersion
>5th gen saw downfall of rpgs
What a retard. Even by /vr/ standards this is an incredible new level of "old good new bad" tryhard boomer larp.

What happened to "games don't need good graphics to be enjoyable"?

5th gen had tons of awesome stuff, just like 4th and 3rd gen did before it. They all had a metric fuck ton of total trash too. 90% of games across all consoles for all time have been trash, but there are always gems.

>Atari 2600 was mostly worthless in retrospect
>devs should have stuck to the tried and true vector lines instead of this fugly coloured blob horseshit

Shut up and enjoy games, faggots.

>>9142678
Rare really knew how to get pretty pictures out of that hardware.

>>9138330
Just go to the arcades

>>9138309
The main issue I have with it is the load times. It was brutal at the time when I was used to carts, and it's worse now that we have bigger games with far superior graphics and near-zero load times in the current gen.

>>9146217
There were only a handful of really bad loaders on PS1. FF7R on a PS4 pro takes longer to load a file than FF7 on a PS1

SNES and PS1 will always be the two best consoles of all time. Need a CRT to get the full experience, the wobbly polygons are unique, no other console had it.

>>9142672
If it wasn’t for the complete lack of antialiasing I’d have a hard time believing this was a PS1 game

>>9144754
>Shut up and enjoy games, faggots.

>>9138330
By the time the PS1 came out, nobody cared about 2D. It's easy to point out that early 3D looks bad by today's standards but back in the day most people wanted that.

>>9138309

Sift out all the shit that hasn't aged well and the amount of classics still mogs anything else. Playstation immediately challenged the notion that videogames need to be made for autistic babies (Nintendo). You ingrates should be thanking poly trash for breaking that mold

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HOLY BASED KINO!!

>>9138441
youre trying way too hard, zoomie

>>9138309
I actually think that the 6th gen is worse overall. Like, as far as graphics goes, some 5th gen games had to use interesting artstyle desings and tricks to cope with the fact that 5th gen consoles were weak. As a result some of these games had a certain unique charming look. While a lot 6th gen games completely had a forgetable, generic look attached to them. Just compare Driver 2 to Driver 3. When you think about gameplay and game design 5th gen games tend to be worse, bc developers still had problems with figuring out things like camera or analog movement and also they had less space and power to work with. But at least they had an excuse (and some developers even tried to go beyond the stablished limits anyway). The 6th gen had no excuses to have mediocre, short, half-assed unfinished games with problems that were already solved by games of the 5th gen and yet it also has plenty of those.

>>9138309
>Anyone else find 5th gen mostly worthless in retrospect?
fuck maybe? tons of great games. but there's no way I'd rather play crash, mm legends, spryo, mario 64, b kazooie, ext over 3rd gen sonic, mario world, donky kong country, megaman x.

...but if you're playing 6th gen you mine as well be playing actual new shit or just remasters / remakes / rereleases...

>>9148805
Find me a modern title that plays like pic related and I’ll forgive you for making retarded statements

Aconcagua
Alundra
Ape Escape
Arc The Lad 1&2
Asuncia
Azure Dreams
Battle Angel Alita Gunnm Martian Memory
Beyond The Beyond
Black/Matrix Cross +, 00
Bomberman World
Brave Fencer Musashi
Brave Prove
Breath Fire 3 & 4
Castlevania Symphony, Chronicles
Chaos Break
Chicken Run
Chrono Cross
Choro Q 3
Community Pom
Cool Boarders 4
Crash Bandicoot 1-3, Racing
Critical Depth
Deception 1-3
Devil Dice
Die Hard Trilogy
Dino Crisis 1&2
Dragon Valor
Dr Slump
Ecsaform
Ehrgeiz
Elemental Gearbolt
Fighting Force
Final Fantasy 7-9, Tactics, Monster Tactics
Frogger 2 Swampy
Front Mission 2&3
Gamera 2000
Grandia
Gunners Heaven
Gungage
Harmful Park
Harry Potter Sorcerer, Chamber
Incredible Crisis
Jacky Chan Stuntmaster
Jet Moto 2&3
Kartia
Klonoa 1, Volleyball
Koudelka
Langrisser 4
Legend of Mana
Lightning Legend
Lunar 1&2
Mega Man 8, Legends 1&2, X4, X5 Improvement Project, X6 Tweaks Project
Metal Gear Solid 1, VR Missions
MediEvil 1&2
Mickey Mania
Misadventures Tron Bonne
Mizzurna Falls
N20
Nectaris Military Madness
No one can stop Mr domino
Oddworld Oddysee & Exodus
Omega Boost
Persona Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment
Policenauts
Ray storm, Ray crisis
Rhapsody/Marl Kingdom 1&2
Rival Schools
Roll Away Kula World
Rollcage 1&2
Saiyuki Journey West
Saga Frontier 2
Silent Bomber
Silent Hill
Slap Happy Rhythm Busters
Sled Storm
Strider 2
Suikoden 1&2, Gaiden 1&2
Tail Concerto
Tales Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia
Tearring Saga
The Adventure of Little Ralph
Threads of Fate
Thousand Arms
TRAG aka Hard Edge
Twisted Metal Small
UmJammer Lammy
Vagrant Story
Vanark
Valkyrie Profile
Vandal Hearts 1&2
Vanguard Bandits
Wild Arms 1
Xenogears

Albert Odyssey Gaiden Eldean
Amok
AnEarth Fantasy Stories
Arcana Strikes
Assault Suit Leynos 2
Astal
Blue Breaker
BackGuiner Kakusei-hen Guiner Tensei
BackGuiner Hishou-hen Uragiri Senjou
Bulk slash
Burning Rangers
Crows
Cyber Doll
Cyber Speedway
Dark Savior
Dynamite Deka Die Hard Arcade
D pinball necronomicon
Dragon Force
Dragon Force 2
Elevator action returns
Far East Eden 4
Gex
Golden Axe Duel
Gouketsuji Groove on Fight
Grandia 1
Grid Runner
Guardian Heroes
Gunbird 1
Gungriffin
Gungriffin 2
G-Vector
Hang on gp
Hyper Duel
Keio Flying Squadron 2
Keriotosse
Kyuukyoku Tiger ii
Kyuutenkai Fantastic Pinball
Langrisser 3
Last Bronx
Linkle Liver Story
Lunar 1
Lupin III: Pyramid no Kenja
Magic Knight Rayearth
Mega Man 8
Nights
Ogre Battle 1 saturn
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon 2
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Policenauts DX
Prikura Daisakusen (Untranslated)
Princess Crown
Rabbit
Radiant Silvergun
Saturn Bomberman
Shining Force 3-1
Shining Force 3-2
Shining Force 3-3
Shining Wisdom
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru
SMT Devil Summoner
Sword & Sorcery (Lucienne's Quest)
The Legend of Oasis
Terra Phantastica (untranslated)
Valhollian
Vandal Hearts
Virtual-On: Cyber Troopers
Wachenröder (untranslated)

Bomberman 64 1
Bomberman 64 2
Choro Q 2
Custom Robo 64
Diddy Racing
Duke 64
Extreme G 1
Extreme G 2
F zero X
Glover
Goemon 1 Mystic Ninja
Goemon 2 Great Adventure
Hexen
Hot Wheels Turbo
Hybrid Heaven
Jet Force Gemini
Kirby 5
Last Legion UX
Mario 64 Green Stars
Mario Tennis
Ogre Battle 2
Paper Mario 1
Pilot Wings 64
Quake 1
Quake 2
Rayman 2
Rocket Robot
Sin Punishment 1
Star Fox 64
Star Soldier
Star Wars Rogue Squadron 1
Viewpoint 2064
Wave Race 64
Win Back
Wonder Project J2
Yoshi’s Story
Zelda Ocarina Redux
Zelda Majora Redux

>>9138309
5th gen graphics was bad, but gameplay > graphics. The worst was yet to come.

>>9139926
>>Best 3D Platformers
>top lel
Neither an argument nor examples of from whatever gen you imply had better 3D platformers, you... you double nigger.

>>9138330
>I basically stopped playing games for like 8 years during this period of time. It was the fucking dark ages of video gaming in my opinion. Nowhere near the videogame crash of 83 or whatever but still pretty fucking horrible.

Me too. Then came the Game Boy Advance which could have been the way out but instead combined 32-bit graphics with 8-bit sound and a shrunken vertical resolution that couldn't emulate SNES or NES without modification.

We should have directly entered an era of hand-drawn hi-res 2D but instead the Jews kept forcing 3D down our throats so they could finally work the technology up to the VR Metaverse where we are at today. The Metaverse, in case you didn't watch the Caprica TV series, is where mankind will be tempted into unlimited sin and kept isolated from the world burning down around them.

>>9138340
>Mario 64 is biggest trash that whole gen that idiots somehow think is good. when in reality mario going 3D was biggest mistake in gaming history and we havent seen new real mario game for 15 years.

Agreed. 3D Zelda is NOT Zelda. 3D Mario is NOT Mario. The N64 was an abomination, it's like every game was used to push a Masonic plotline while looking like shit. We needed better games and they gave us stupid fucking plastic chassis colors.

>>9142649
>Mario 64 was the first and only time in my life that I was truly wowed by a graphical advancement.

Hadn't you seen Doom by that point?

>>9148708
>It's easy to point out that early 3D looks bad by today's standards but back in the day most people wanted that.

I absolutely do not believe that.

Similar to how the early gpu shader era looked like shit.
Developers discovered bump maps and made everything look like melted plastic.

I can't play those fucking games, they look like shit. Like very shiny shit.

The real red pill is that console controllers are too primitive to interact with a 3D environment, and that's why all 3D console games are shit.

Quake on PC was great. And early 3D games on PC were great.

>>9138330
>instead of selling us something we actually want to fucking play
stop acting like you were there, calling it an "early access" generation reveals yourself as a zoomie
fact is 3D was the big fucking hype of the time, arcade games with 3D chips were being released and starting dominating because it attracted so many people
The market absolutely wanted a 3D generation, in retrospect yeah they were kinda gimmicky like VR is now, but at the time it was like being transported to the Holodeck.

>>9138309
Fifth gen had some very nice 2D games though, particularly on PS1 and Saturn

The simple geometry of 5th gen games is nostalgic and evocative. If anything 6th and 7th gen games will age like shit because they are the midpoint between blocky lo res that still needed some imagination to convey artistic style and the bleeding edge, 300mil dollar budget slop of today. 6th gen isn't notable for anything graphicswise save for "pushing the capabilities of x console" or using cel shading instead of generic 3d style. In both cases people would rather play them upscaled on an emulator or remaster. 7th gen is only notable for being a huge jump in fidelty from gen 6. Nobody cares about gen 7 graphics anymore because they're just a shittier version of gen 8 and beyond. Everyone wants upscales and remasters of them.

>>9138309
>visual art is severely worse than 4th gen
Only on playstation. Saturn had some nice looking 2D games.

>>9150116
Shinobi looked worse on Saturn.
Street Fighter looked worse on Saturn.
Castlevania looked worse on Saturn.
Darkstalkers looked worse on Saturn.
Shining Force looked worse on Saturn.

>>9149458
The fact that you can just upscale them (a little more if feeling generous) and charge new game prices, shows that 6th gen tech has aged far better visually. You seem to be agreeing 5th visuals are primitive, just you prefer them being bad because bad is more unique and experimental by definition than achieving a formal standard.

>>9138309
Wow that's quite the zoomer take

>>9149241
Your pic looks better than 99% of 5th gen.

>>9150526
This isn’t even an opinion this is just factually wrong

>>9138309
You can't paint an entire generation which had thousands of games with the same brush. That's insane.

Many of the games from that era hold up, and many do not. It depends on the game.

>>9139898
This anon gets it (and is one of the few who does in this utterly abhorrent thread).

6th Gen games really do feel like a lesser version of what we have now, which is the reason I was strongly against allowing 6th gen discussion on /vr/. I find 5th gen to be far more preferable than 6th, especially between the PS1 and PS2. Yes, even aesthetically. PS2 games seem to come in one of two flavors, Mud or Plastic. Whereas PS1 games never even had the chance of looking realistic and their low-poly aesthetic can be quite charming.

Something I haven't really seen mentioned though is how Sony's usage of cheap discs versus expensive cartridges and their policies towards third party developers (which were intentionally made much more encouraging than Nintendo) resulted in an absolute explosion of creativity from smaller tier developers, combined with developers experimenting with 3D for the first time resulted in one of the most interesting and creative eras of gaming, if not THE most creative era. I'm still finding bizzare and fun looking little games I'd never heard of on sites like Lunatic Obscurity or retro youtube channels or even mentions on this very site.

Furthermore, each of three major consoles was doing something radically different from each other that era, with completely different and even opposed goals from each other which combined with my previous point makes this the absolute most diverse gen of gaming. I own all three major 5th gen consoles and would find it impossible to rank them because they're each so different.

Also for anyone trying to claim I have nostalgia, I didn't get a Playstation until 2000 and then got a PS2 a year later, and got a Nintendo 64 after the PS2 (and a Saturn six years ago). I was playing 5th and 6th gen games concurrently, and only rexently looking at the two libraries has it become apparent how superior 5th gen was to 6th.

>>9139926
>Cave games
yeah ok cool, but we're talking about the peak of the genre so I don't see the point of your comment

There was literally no one alive at the time who wasn't amazed and awestruck by the advancement into 3D. Anyone who claims otherwise Is a larping zoomer or (you) farmer.

2D > 3D

But that said, low poly when done well, is a thing of beauty.

>>9138502
>you have to purchase a magazine just to know how what games are worth playing
I get that they are somewhat inexpensive but that seems like a cope. Imagine paying $1 for an Angry Joe video just to see if some shit vidya is actually good. That's how retarded that argument is. Thank god for the internet.

5th gen walked so that 6th gen could run, bitch.

>>9138309
It had to happen at some point.
I think it's cool to see the progression from early ps1 titles to late ps1 titles. Some fevs got really good at covering up the limitations.

>>9138309
PS1 has some of the best looking games ever made. Crash Bandicoot 3 for example has graphics that far exceed most modern games.

>>9152686
Haha, what?
You could argue for artstyle

>>9152747
I don't like the way modern games look due to the push for realism bumping up against the limits of rasterization leading graphics that just look wrong. I much prefer the more direct look of older graphics that just render straight polygons rather than having complex render pipelines with multiple effects layers and other processing.

>>9148738
Retarded zoomer

>>9151658
I’m 34, I was never amazed by it. It was pretty cool but early 3D games looked primitive even at the time. The gameplay changes were a much bigger deal than the visuals

>>9138309
No, I love the low poly aesthetic!