/vr/ - Retro Games

It's a great game, they made a smart decision to romhack Doki Doki Panic for the west instead of localizing the real SMB 2.

Casualized from SMB1

>Play Super Mario Bros 2 as a kid
>Instantly realize it's weird and and not like the other game
>Years later I find out that it's not a real Mario game, and actually a reused Japanese game not made by Miyamoto
>The real Mario 2 was considered too hard for people outside of Japan
>Start crying and feel betrayed

Why would Nintendo do this to us? Why lie about the truth? It's not a real Mario game and I don't like it.

Better than the lost levels, both in terms of gameplay and its influence on the Mario lore

>>9120958
>It's not a real Mario game
Didn't Doki Doki start as a Mario prototype that got repurposed? This game is weird it's essentially a romhack of a romhack of a mario game.

>feel betrayed
I don't get this complain, Nintendo retroactively made it a real Mario by integrating everything into the canon as early as with Mario All-Stars, would you have preferred to get the original japanese SMB2? Even Nintendo relegated it into the DLC category rebranding it as lost levels.

Great game. At the time, there were only two other Mario games (and the first one, Mario Brothers, was quite different from the second, Super Mario Brothers), so it didn't feel out of place. But all the Mario games that came after follow the second game more closely, so in retrospect, it doesn't feel much like a Mario game.

best of the NES trilogy. picking up and throwing things just feels so good, especially when you bonk one enemy and the projectile keeps going onto another enemy and bonks them too. Characters had different stats and could do things better than others, encouraging variation in playthroughs, and the worlds were imaginative and interesting. Ideas like using a birdo egg to actually continue the level or ride a bird backwards have never been tried again, and thus 2 is the most imaginative in the series. looking for subcons to find mushrooms or warp pipes is really fun too, because theyre genuinely well hidden and incentize a hidden extra mechanic of trying to get every mushroom in every level. One is located on top of a castle, or makes you do a secret jump above the screen to open up a shaft for a mushroom to fall down

theres ALSO the hidden mechanic of farming kills so you can make a heart flow up to restore health when needed

>>9121003
As far as I know, Doki Doki Panic never started off as a Mario game. As I understand it, it began development as its own thing, and, like Kid Icarus, the tech demos were built around going upwards. And this makes sense to me because there was only 1 Super Mario Bros game at the time, and there probably wasn't a desire to make thousands of them in the same way as today, especially since it was made by another dev team in Nintendo.

>>9120919
it be aiight

>>9120928
I knew someone will post this fact again but didn't think it would be the first post.
Well thanks for letting everyone know Mr.Wikipedia!

>>9121119
No problem, friend. Have a good one!

>>9120919
Excellent gameplay, the game hasn't aged one bit and even puts to shame some modern indieshit platformers. My only criticizm would be the shitty slot machine mechanic to get lives and limited continues. It's maddening to go out of your way to collect coins just to get jack shit out of it. Feels like getting fucked by RNG.

Honestly all of the meme spouting fucks get drowned over the incredibly catchy overworld theme.

https://youtu.be/yBISfv-6hfo

>>9120919
i like froges
also got stuck on one of the ice levels

>>9120919
eh

>>9120919
donkey kong picnic

I only played the All Stars version and even as a kid I thought the game was weird as hell

>>9120958
>Why lie about the truth?
What else would you lie about?

>>9120919
I prefer SMA1

It's good but they should have let you bop/bounce off at least a few enemies, just doesn't feel like Mario when you land on a Shy Guy and it just carries you.

Leagues better than SMB1 and a far better sequel than SMB2J / Lost Levels

>>9120919
I've never played it and I don't know anyone that did

>>9120958
lmao

>>9121003
Doggy Doggy Picnic was a side project from one of the devs in the 'dream team' who were working on SMB3

Source: Gaming Historian

>>9120919
I prefer it over 3, especially the remakes. 3's levels were made way too short just so it could be advertised as having more of them, and I really hate all that monarchy shit that feels out of place.

>>9121356
I always think of Moonbase Alpha when I hear that song now.

>>9120919
Brilliant, high quality NES game with great variety (augmented by a character select). Quality and effort aside, I also think it's the start of a series of decisions to always mix things up as much as they can, even when they clearly do not have to. They had a ready product that they shelved instead, and they went with the unique different game. There isn't a mainline Mario game afterward that tries to be an enhanced version of the prior, even Galaxy 2 tries its hardest to focus on its new gimmicks.

>>9120919
It’s better than lost levels and was probably the perfect way to market another Mario game to western audiences. Lost levels is just more smb1, except harder.

>>9120919
Best Mario.

>>9120919
It was the reason Nintendo and Myamoto saw how important it is to change formular or add mechanics.

>>9121003
>Nintendo retroactively made it a real Mario by integrating everything into the canon as early as with Mario All-Stars

Weren't the Ninjis in Super Mario World?

>SMB1
fun
>SMB2:Mario madness
what the fuck is this shit

>SMW1
Fun
>SMW2
What the fuck is this shit

many such cases

>>9120919
Great game and hard as hell to get a copy of in 1988. Same with Zelda 2.

For me? Super Bros. 5

>>9121123
Fuck yourself

>>9120919
It's good, but I prefer Lost Levels.

>>9121476
Darkey Fucking Parking

>>9122716
Yes and Pokeys

>>9120928
>they made a smart decision
it was the wrong decision.

>>9122716
>>9122834
and Pidgits

>>9123020
Your mother made the wrong decision.

>>9122716
>>9122834
>>9123151
and of course, bob-ombs in smb3 and world.

>>9120919
It's fine I guess. >>9120928 is right that it was probably ultimately a good idea to slap the Mario IP on it here instead of releasing Lost Levels as it was

>>9122770
Oof.

>>9123286
Why didn't Mario fans shit themselves over the movie's blatant unfaithfulness to the source material? Like Sonicfags do every day because the Archie comic book exists.

>>9120919
This is a real scandal that I'm breaking, but this is a sprite change of a game called Donkey Donkey Picnic

>>9123642
it was a different time, and Mario never had the same kind of fanbase Sonic has.
I went to see the movie as a kid and thought seeing Mario wearing those jumping moonshoes was cool, I also liked the weird goombas, but was disappointed that Koopa was human and not a giant dino turtle.
As an adult, I'm so glad we have Dennis Hopper as King Koopa, literal kino.

>>9120919
complete dogshit. I remember being excited to see what 2 was like after playing deluxe, 3 and world and literally crying because of how shit it was

it was so shit I had more fun replaying the first two levels of lost levels and getting filtered than playing 2 USA

>>9123642
No one seethes over Archie itself
It's Ken Penders because his work is genuinely on every level on top of being a lolcow
That comic you posted, it has a twist where Sally isn't the main character, but an evil robot clone of her that gets killed off at the end of it, making the entire story pretty much for nothing

>>9123679
*genuinely bad

>>9122716
>Hey, boys!

>>9120919
Game of the year

>>9120919
Love it, honestly prefer it over the Japanese version surprisingly.

>>9123975
Game of the year for 33 years straight!

Admit it anon, you use Peach for that stage. Every time.

>>9125538
I use Peach for desert levels, especially 6-1. That stage is pure cancer with Mario or Toad. The rest doesn't make much of a difference, weird how Luigi has the reputation of being the expert mode character when he arguably trivializes the game even more than Peach.

>>9125801
Yeah I always defaulted to Luigi when I was a clumsy kid.

>>9120919
Super Mario Advance is the definitive version.

Overrated game.

>>9125848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8xQn5gqWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0ubNAkkco

>>9125880
Compared to what? Nobody sucks off 2 like they do 3, 64 or World.

>>9120919
Mario Madness was the right path for the Mario franchise

>>9120919
>What do you think about SMB2?
overrated, painfully difficult but i enjoy it. it's not great but.. ok. first version of it released was bugged (getting stuck in walls, falling through gaps in floors to your death). a later revision of it fixed the problems. damn you, jews of the orient.

I probably played it more than 1 and 3. The same way people back in the day played Sonic 2 the most.

AIN'T NOTHIN BUT LUIGI

>>9126445
see>>9125902

For some reason I can't stand it. I've tried finishing it several times is the past hyping myself up - "it's a classic, its gotta be fun!". But I always get almost psychically ill by frustration, hate and disgust a few levels in. I finally tortured myself and finished the game few weeks back. Will never touch it again. This is strangely the only game thats given me this reaction.

It's something about the control and level layout that just put me off. And I'm used to bad control so it can't be that. Like I also finished Taz on Mega Drive on hard this summer and even that was a more pleasurable experience

Should have picked Luigi.

>>9120919
3 > 1 > 2
But it's pretty good.

>>9122757
7 granddad?

>>9127662
No, Super Bors. 7 is the flintstones bootleg.
But, for me? It's Super Bros. 6

>>9127304
anon was right. 2 is difficult game. even back in the 1980s, people had very little time for nintendo's game mechanics of dying a billion times just to remember the layout of a level, that's designed to take as many lives as possible. in fact, nobody ever gave a fucking shit about 2 until last recent decades. not sure why. zoomies will latch onto any cancer and then claim it was "popular", except they weren't born in the 1980s. they were born into a dead generation that grew up with minecraft and are still playing minecraft going into adulthood.

>>9127703
no bootleg is counted as a continuation of any series of any title. what drugs are you on?

>>9127964
Stop larping zoomie

>>9120919
MARIO MADNESS

>>9127964
What is difficult or frustrating about Mario 2? I find it well designed with a nice difficulty curve, it does an excellent job at teaching you the mechanics then expanding on them and it doesn't really have parts designed solely to eat through lives. Add to that that you have multiple characters to chose from and up to 4 HP points if you have trouble with something. The only annoying part is the slot machine for lives, that shit can be infuriating the first time when you haven't realized there's a trick to it.

Mario 3 by comparison is much harder much earlier, it starts throwing shit at you as soon as world 2 and goes all out on world 7, and don't even get me started on world 8, it feels like a collection of Mario Maker troll levels. Plus it has this really weird and frustrating thing where if you have the correct power up it's a breeze but if you have to play as small Mario some levels are borderline impossible and can take 20 attempts.

>>9128009
>What is difficult or frustrating about Mario 2?

The levels are so long. So so long.

>>9128032
>The levels are so long. So so long.
some are very long, but it also has no shortage of very short stages too. not much thought was put into the design of it all. some levels look and feel like filler content.

>>9128009
>and it doesn't really have parts designed solely to eat through lives
most of the later worlds are like this. if you don't remember the layouts, enemy encounters, know where the secret doors are for power ups etc. then you're fucked.

> The only annoying part is the slot machine for lives
it's utterly ridiculous. mini games are the lowest form of entertainment and filler content imaginable. ran out of ideas and have plenty of rom space free? fill it up with garbage mini games, and make sure the player can't skip them or back out of them, just to rub salt into the wounds.

>Mario 3 by comparison is much harder much earlier
it's a lot more forgiving and not out to rape you for lives. you can build up many lives easily and then proceed through the difficult parts

>>9128009
You need 2 p wings for level 8 in Mario 3. One for the flying ship auto scroll and level 1 in the next section.

>>9123642
Because every Sonic fan, I don't care who you are; is autistic.

The bset part of it was the character select screen. Peach for the noobs, Luigi for the Chads, and some others were there as well.