/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9103697
>Get 'Em Before They're Gone
CRTs were mass produced and then some and they have no moving parts. There will be working CRTs when we're all dead, and if somehow we run out (practically impossible) the free market will ensure a small company will start making them again.

I picked up a CRT the other day from an old lady who said she thinks its been turned on less than 10 times.

Idk why people online pretend like having a CRT is rare, unique, or interesting. We were making 160 million of them per year in the 90's. The supply is WAYYYYY higher than the demand

Now look at my cat.

>>9103806
I want a fat fuck so bad, not even a fancy bvm just a FAT FUCK!

>>9103806
Cute cat btw

>>9103806
>some shitty consumer sets ARENT RARE!!!!!
no shit, sherlock
Worthwhile consumer sets in great condition with good colors are impossible to find.
Anybody can find some shitty crt.
But who wants to actually play on some crappy set.

>>9103806
at least half of crts have been landfilled already and that number keeps climbing. not to mention the fact that the amount of people with both the knowledge and skill to fix them have shrunk considerably and will continue to do so. also, no one is ever going to manufacture new crts again except in your dreams.

>>9103925
Well I just said I found a nice one the other day, so it's not impossible. That was after maybe 2 days of looking online on the usual sites. She also gave me a matching Sony receiver but someone already took the speakers. The day before that I got a clean PS2 phat with 10 games (mostly shit) for $30.

These people are still out there. They're rich, and they're old, and they don't even care about the money so you're not taking advantage of them. They just want it gone and can't move a CRT themselves. Half of them give me the thing for free and say they only posted a price to deter lowlifes. As I'm putting the CRT in my car they'll say something like "do you happen to like Nintendo because I have an old one...", and sure, it turns out to be a Sega Genesis but it's still free. Apparently "Nintendo" means "video game console".

Idk, maybe it's just the area I live in, it has a lot of rich old Italian people.

>>9103996
You can't imagine some hipster startup making TVs like this if there's demand? I can.

>>9104009
Oops pic
Literally all someone would need to do is a kickstarter or something

>>9103996
Wow half of the billion CRTs have been land filled? That's really going to make finding one tough for the 12 of us.

>>9104009
>>9104013
if this isn't bait you're retarded

How much hassle is hooking up a CRT to a PC?

>>9104019
Zero hassle, they make HDMI to RCA adapters (make sure it's not the other way around). Some of them might be laggier than others but mine is passable. It's also cool to watch old TV shows on it from my PC.

People on this board will tell you to pants on head retarded shit to something a simple HDMI to RCA adapter does fine.

>>9104035
Idk if I had a stroke during that last sentence, but hopefully I got my point across.

>>9104035
Yeah. I have read posts on here before that said hooking up a CRT was a real hassle, like it could fry your PC or something.

>>9104049
Yeah lol, that makes no sense. Or maybe they were trying to do something stupid with VGA and chink adapters. But all I'm talking about is taking a digital signal and making it analog. No electrical fires required.

>>9104009
Yeah we’ll just crowdfund a device that was made by billion dollar multinational corporations that employed entire factories of specially trained individuals dedicated to producing said device. It should be easy.

>>9103806
>implying all CRTs are created equal

>>9104234
Yes, some of us actually want to have good displays for the future. Keep coping about your OLED, though.

>>9104019
If you want to be a shitter and use composhit with a ton of lag do what >>9104035 suggests.
Otherwise check out some previous threads or just wait and posts about connecting a CRT to a PC via RGB will pop up anyway. You people ask about this in every fucking thread.

>>9104009

The mass producing in the 90s and therefore cheap price may give a false impression:
A good color CRT is HIGH TECHNOLOGY! Extreme precision required, you need large numbers to get the price to a reasonable level.
Nothing a kickstarter project can accomplish unless enough people are willing to pay 5-10k for their new CRT. And not just a few enthusiasts.

>>9104019

GPU with analog output > PC CRT

Difficulty: 0/10

oi can i see /vr/'s room setups? trying to get some ideas for my place. I need to fit both my PC desk setup/soldering/game work setup/games+game consoles and finally the fking monitor/tv, all in one medium/small room. Most jewgle results are the most generic corporate modern room with a gamer pc + rgb accessories and ironically no games in sight. just the bed parallel with the desk.

Outside the novelty of just using a CRT, the only real advantage they have is motion clarity (and generally youre making a trade off by dealing with imperfect geometry). Modern panels, particularly oled get the perfect contrast, have near CRT latency (I think my current LG oled is within 3ms of a CRT), instant pixel response, large range of compatible refresh rates (again, my oled just works with consoles anywhere between like 58 to 61hz without so much as a hiccup, and going forward we have things like adaptive sync etc), and we have scanline generators for real hardware and shaders for emulation.

The only thing we're missing is motion clarity. Once we get that down, and we will, I don't think we'll really need to stress out about finding good CRTs. Again there's still just the novelty of it which is cool, but I feel like soon modern panels will largely just be the superior option

>>9104467
When I need the desk space for work, I just slide the mouse and keyboard beneath the monitor stand. This is a 60" wide desk I believe

>>9104546
OLEDs are great but they're way more expensive than a CRT. Even a PVM/BVM is still gonna be quite a bit cheaper.
It's why I think the "when will we get new CRTs???" talk is pretty stupid. They would be very, very expensive if they were once again manufactured.

>>9104550
That Redline poster is fucking awesome.

>>9104550
nice comfy little setup. reminded me i really need to get risers for my monitors so i can store shit under them, and consider putting my most used consoles on this desk instead of with the other consoles, maximize space better that way.

>>9104410
>you're just not believing hard enough!!
seriously embarrassing

I have to turn the picture setting way down on my tv to prevent pixels from blending too much together, does that make sense? I want a more saturated picture while still being sharp

>>9103925
I'll deal with crappy sets if that's all that's left. For me, playing /vr/ on a CRT isn't just for using component; it's the fact that all /vr/ consoles look like shit on an HDTV, period. Even a composite CRT setup beats the shit out of hooking up a /vr/ console to an HDTV.

>>9103697
I'm already hoarding as many as I can! :D

>>9104546
But motion clarity is a big deal. Give me light scanlines a a lil blurring if I get motion clarity or complex shaders.

>>9104792
>Even a composite CRT setup beats the shit out of hooking up a /vr/ console to an HDTV.
Because that's what the vast majority of /vr/ content was designed for.

>>9104905
Do you enjoy stating the obvious, anon? And before you say what I said was obvious, I was just responding to the other anon and making a point.

>>9104996
It's not actually obvious, considering there's a lot of component and/or PVM soibois who post in these threads and act haughty about it. Why act so aggressively over someone stating the truth? Do you feel insecure that deep down, you're not that much better than the HDTV fags you shit on?

>>9105015
>implying a component CRT looks anything like a LCD
Why are you fags like this? Just save up for a Trinitron if you're that jealous about it. Much healthier for you than shitting up these threads.

>>9104467
I've come to realize that having one good setup for everything is fucking impossible. I'd love to fit my OLED, modern consoles, my Trinitron + all the retro stuff, my PC and some space for soldering/gunpla all combined with a properly placed stereo (or even some surround setup in the future, maybe even both) in one room, but there's no way to make this happen without sacrificing one for the other. You'll always end up having to move one TV to the side and fucking up the speaker placement in the process, placing your desk in the middle of the room or sitting with your back turned to everything while you're doing something on the PC.
And don't even get me started on the acoustics of the clusterfuck that you end up with or having room for more than two people to comfortably sit down and play some board games.

>>9105083
fucking exactly. its where owning a house and splitting the rooms, one for work and one for recreation comes in. But i dont have that yet, not for another few years or so.
Some people have the balance and im fucking impressed. Hell, i dont even have speakers man, i just have my headphones. No guests ever and i wanna accommodate for it but i cant right now.

>>9105015
Are you still doing this after being completely raped and btfo in the last thread? Just go back to your crt filter thread.

>>9105093
>Just go back to your crt filter thread.
Did you mean to reply to >>9105029?
>>9105083
>I'd love to fit my OLED
Like six fucking mentions of OLED in this thread and we aren't even at 40 posts. Is LG paying people to shill?

>>9104873
We've already made strides to improving motion calrity on modern displays. We just need a high nit OLED display with dynamic strobing and done deal. And with this year's OLED and QD OLED displays, brightness has gotten vastly better so I don't think it'll be a long wait

>>9105171
There's no way you can get as bright as a CRT with high BFI. You'll always be compromising just a little.
Which frankly isn't a big deal, only a tiny minority of people would find an OLED's small amount of motion blur noticeable. The main advantage of CRTs have always been that they're cheap, look great, have zero latency, and are plug n play. These new monitors indeed look good but that's all they got.

>>9105203
>There's no way you can get as bright as a CRT
Are CRT's even that bright? HDR1000 peak nits are almost physically painful for me to look at for more than a few seconds, I've never had that issue with CRT's

Anybody know if a Mitsubishi CS-27209 is RGB Moddable? SN-71 is the chassis but thats all I've found.

I got a 20" PVM a few years ago that I can't get any picture to show up on. It looks like the sync is messed up but it's for every cable I try.
I switched to a Retrotink 5X on a 4K TV, and now I don't know what to do with the PVM. It's so fucking heavy and it's not working so nobody will buy it I think.

>>9105376
Does the image spaz out but is otherwise intelligible? Hopefully the set isn't completely fucked, since im sure someone out there will pay for a discounted, fixable set.

>>9105376
>PVM owner
>uses 4K TV as a substitute
Of course.

>>9105376
Did you try pressing the external sync button? lol

>>9103925
This. I live in a major metro area in America and quality CRT sets are rare and when they do pop up they go for a ridiculous $800+

>>9105376
Fucking tard.
>It's so fucking heavy
A 20 inch PVM weighs about 70 lbs, you weakling.
>>9108003
This is exactly what he needs to do. Imagine getting a professional broadcast monitor and not even cracking the manual open to learn how it functions.

I bought a 2000s-ish RCA CRT off of FB Marketplace, the screen is great but it makes this high-pitched whining noise when it's on. Is there any fixing that?

Well, I'm about to piss off my family when I bring this big boy in the garage...

>>9108052
Not anything to brag about, I don't know shit about crts, but just happy to have a neighbor put one out. Reminds me of my sharp when I was groing up in the 90s. I can't wait to hook up my 6th gen consoles to it.

>>9108052
Covered in piss, nice.

>>9108052
good find anon

>>9103697
Got a PVM 20M2U from work and I love it, but my urge to have the perfect setup still makes me want a BVM 20F1U. It's just so expensive bros, though for me that really would be the peak of CRTs.
It sucks knowing I can't wait too long because that'll make it just more expensive. I've been seeing them for ~$5k. That'd be a pretty expensive birthday gift for myself but I'd hate to see them be $10k in a few years

>>9108086
The cat spray is what gives it the s0vl kvno.

>>9108086
>>9108245
Might be dog piss, but I smell nothing so far after wiping with clorox wipes. Good news is it works!

>>9108096
Cheers mate!

>>9108225
>BVM 20F1U
If you want the peak of 4:3 CRTs, why would you want a 20F1U? Did you mean a D20F1U? The one that can do 480p to 1080i?

I have one, and while I like it, I think the PVM 20L5 is probably the better option. They don't cost as much, and I see them for sale way more regularly than D20F1Us. 100 fewer TVL than the D20, but it's hard to actually notice.

>>9108341
Yeah, the D20F1U. Actually just saw one for $4.5k, for pickup in NJ and that's pretty good.
I don't honestly know how much of a difference there would be between my PVM-20M2U and this D20F1U, but I can't stop myself from wanting it.
480p/480i is nice and it's neat that it has 1080i but I probably wouldn't use it almost ever.

>>9108358
>I don't honestly know how much of a difference there would be between my PVM-20M2U and this D20F1U
Quite a bit if you plan to play games in 480p. If you're just playing 5th gen consoles and prior generations, the D20 isn't worth it. But if your playing 6th gen games in RGB/component, it's lovely.
$4500 is a high price, but pretty fair if it's in good condition, has been serviced, has good geometry, and comes with at least second input card.
People love to go on about how you desperately need to get one with low hours, but the vast majority of these monitors have been used day in day out for their whole lives. Finding one with low hours is a barn find. If it does everything right and has been treated well, hours shouldn't matter too much.

I got a free Sony 14N5 the other day :)

I'm a happy camper :P

>>9104001
Listen to this anon, he's not bullshitting.
I got a huge mint B&O from a richfag a few weeks ago for free, by far the best looking CRT I ever saw.
But I guess it also depends on where you live.
Here in Germany theres free CRTs almost daily being posted on the local marketplace.

>just want a small 14" crt to put on my desk and play ps2 on
>all CRTs in my area are marked up to over $200 AUD
>all only have composite input
fuck australia

>>9108404
How?

>>9104013
they would just stick an lcd monitor in woodgrain box. and glass in front of the screen to add to the illusion

>>9108559
you joke, but there's a project out there that does basically that, and tells you to use a retrotink to add scanlines

>>9108552
My friend spotted it as his university was throwing it out. He knew I liked CRTs so he got it for me :)

>>9105171
Are oleds really any good for motion clarity ? I mean it's sample and hold, why would they be ? I have an acer predator that strobes at 60hz using CRU, but it adds a lil bit of lag to play at 60 hz. Thank god for run ahead. The single strobing also adds massive strobe crosstalk in "blue" stages and I get interlace pattern artifact if I add any type of prominent mask to a shader. I like it but it's not perfect.

Anyone here from Scandinavia?
Are Bang & Olufsen TVs any decent?

sold my L5 to a friend, he only uses it for composite

>>9103806

>CRT's were mass produced
I don't think you understand how early the industry started dropping CRT's and transitioned into thinner screens
>We'll all be dead and CRT's will still be around
Yeah in landfills somewhere unfortunately
>Less than 10 times
And you would just trust an old person with no technological background? Right makes sense if you were desperate or it was FREE
>CRT's rare, unique or interesting-

Uh that's literally what the whole bizarre and tiny community is all about. Its like a handful of you propagating the idea that somehow this old dead technology is "better" than everything else still. Just because you don't own it, doesn't mean something better doesn't exist.

>>9104019

Annoying. In most cases you need to buy a fairly expensive converter for the signal, like display port/ HDMI to VGA analog converters- which once again- aren't cheap.

>>9103697
>>9103697
>>9103697

Looking to get a CRT. Are the early-mid 2000s ones the best? Does a higher resolution CRT or HDCRT benefit older consoles? I want a CRT with component, S-Video, composite and maybe RGB SCART but I'm american.

>>9108661
I'm from Germany.
I have a 28inch B&O and I'm very pleased with it, I have a PVM to compare it with and I like it more than the meme.
Make sure you get one with an original remote, universal ones are hit or miss and even when they work its very frustrating to use.
I still need to calibrate the geometry on mine but it's only an issue with the Megadrive.

>>9108759
Yeah, I'm in Denmark and I'm surprised by how many people have their shit in great condition with the remote.
I'd just prefer a smaller TV, maybe something bigger than the typical PMV, just so I can have it on the desk.
A lot of these B&O's come with very weird stands and attachments which made me worried the TVs were crap.
Thanks for clearing it up.

>>9108714
All depends what you want really

It's a hell of a lot easier to find later CRTs with all the good inputs than it is to find the older CRTs. Most of those big silver flat screen CRTs are gonna have component or s-video at least. There are a lot less round screen CRTs with component though. If you're american though you're never gonna find a non-monitor CRT that takes RGB umodded, just settle with component.

As for HDCRTs and widescreen CRTs, it's complicated and the easiest answer is to just be wary and avoid them unless you know what you're buying.

>>9108763
Mine came with a stand, and it's way sturdier and heavier than it looks, it also has an inbuilt electric motor, you an turn the TV using the remote, its a cool gimmick but i never use it.

>>9108770
Do you mind doing me a favour and sharing the exact model B&O you have?

>>9108714
Overly high tvl is a meme, consumer hd crts have lag, you won't get RGB unless you go professional.
Look for a consumer with component or a PVM and be patient. Keep in mind a small 13"/14" on a desk looks fine with composite and is way cheaper. If you need more inputs you have to pay more money or get lucky.

>>9108541
When did you start looking?

>>9108050
i've heard recapping and reflowing the transformers' solder can help

>>9108052
>>9108062
>>9108274
nice, love the cleanliness of the glass too

dammit now you fuckers make me wanna get one of these massive things

>>9108918
yeah I was a PVMer but I got a large 40+ inch RCA for free with speaker jacks in the back.
>never looked back

>>9105083
Perfection is the enemy of progress. Just have shit anon. Put it where you can. It's fun either way.

>>9109005
the second i found out what PVM's are i knew they were a fucking joke. Defeating the purpose of getting a CRT if they're not what the devs intended.
40inch is what i'd have to go, just like my old tv when i was a kid. Black or gray would be really nice but i'll have to see what i can get for the price of free or max $20.

>>9108225
>even considering paying $5K for a TV that looks like an HDTV
lmao, PVMfags everybody

>>9109014
yeah this looks assy.
you need wall mounts like in school back in the day. or like me Ive been actually thinking of getting a real deal AV cart (with the strap and shit) So I can put it wherever and maybe keep it in a coat closet when Im not using it.

>>9109030
Be careful with saying that, the people who bought a PVM with their trust fund money will chimp out on you.

>>9109014
>massive CRT on top of a tiny little entertainment center with his expensive limited edition consoles underneath
now thats how you kick in my paranoia kek
>>9109039
>this
wall, stronger/bigger entertainment center, or maybe even one of those metal school carts. Thats one of the ideas i had.
>>9109040
they're like monkeys at typewriters, but instead of typewriters its a 60% keyboard with LEDs. They come into threads already having shit in their hand so they can be ready to fling it.

>>9109005
>>9109030
>>9109036
>>9109040
>>9109045
>all this samefagging
What's wrong, mad that you didn't get a BVM before they became expensive?

>>9109047
>tranime meme further becoming true with stocking anarchy this time
>schizo ranting about samefagging
yeah, it's all coming together

>>9109049
>two (Yous)
So you are samefagging. Pathetic. Go back to playing on your 13 inch black and white RF-only CRT and leave the rich patricians alone.

>>9105441
it's a bunch of colors all over the place that responds somewhat to what's happening judging from the audio working fine.
>>9108003
of course, but i cant get any clear picture. i owned this a few years and had gone into the service menu to calibrate the image just right. it suddenly stopped working with everything months after changing the settings so I just gave up.

>>9106163
I can play my games at better image quality with zero lag and perfect scanlines. It's pretty much a direct upgrade, especially since it is in stereo.

>>9108039
too heavy to ship comfortably but you can pick it up and take it for $200 if you wish

>>9109071
>4K TV
>zero lag
Typical intelligence of a PVM user, everyone. And people yell at me when I say PVMs look like filters on a LCD, kek

>>9109071
>4K TV
>zero lag

>>9109071
>4K TV
>zero lag
>perfect scanlines

>>9104035
>HDMI to RCA
what about HDMI to SCART? My old TV doesn't have an RCA port, and from what I've seen people say HDMI to SCART is pretty shit.

>>9109091
>>9109102
>>9109105
Retrotink 5X in frame lock mode and polyphase 50%. It even deinterlaces PS2 video and upscales it without lag, this shit is great.

>IT NOT LAGLESS ONLY CRTS ARE LAGLESS
Milliseconds of delay smaller than the time it takes to draw a frame at 60 fps is literally not "input lag." You press a button and the game instantly responds just like on a CRT.

>>9109161
>4k @ 60Hz 11.0 ms
OHNONONONONONONONONONO

>>9108786
MX 5500
I got the pic from Google because I don't have any on my phone.
Mine is an older model so in order to access the service menu I need to open up the back and short two pins on the board, on newer models you can just input a key combination, so be aware of that before getting one.

Another anon gave me a lot of helpful tips a few threads ago, you might still find the discussions in the archive.

>>9109161

>>9109181
beautiful tv, too bad im in burgerland so i wont be able to get one.

>>9109161
>You press a button and the game instantly responds just like on a CRT.

>>9109161
sunk cost fallacy top kek

if there will ever be a crt thread with no tranime coping PVMfags, and a dude sperging about his 4k near lagless tv, that will be a great crt thread

>>9109161
Do PVM retards really?

>>9109160
also, is VGA to SCART better than HDMI to SCART?

>>9109176
>>9109182
>>9109187
>>9109193
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>>9109198
Literally jealous that you're too poor to afford anything better than some junk JVC taken from the streets of a ghetto.

>>9109203
Yes anon, everyone is simply jealous of you, no one is actually laughing at your stupidity

>>9109204
One day you'll understand that you get what you pay for. If you pay $500 for a PVM like I did, you're gonna get something way better than a shitty composhite-only TV.

Not sure why you guys think posting reaction images will change reality lol. It's lagless, looks amazing, has a much bigger picture, and I can use the same TV I use for everything else without hassle.


>>9109203
It's not jealousy, just anger that I actually have a PVM and I genuinely think I get a better picture and experience with modern upscaling equipment. Cheap CRTs can take advantage of special effects like flickering and dithering to do transparency, which PVMs and modern displays mess up.

Anybody have experience with buying CRT tvs off eBay? I live in a pretty rural place, not alot of people around, craigslist and FB markets are empty. But I'm seeing plenty of trinitons and such for 100 bucks price range which I don't mind paying. Just wondering if it would make it through shipping.

>>9109254
You think that's good because that's what your PVM looks like. This is why we tease those CRTs for looking like modern TVs. Because it's true but it's annoying seeing people deny it.

>>9109203
>say retarded shit
>get called retarded
>"YOURE JUST JEALOUS"

>>9109261
That's the appeal though, with the right cables they look like what you'd get in an emulator but on original hardware and with genuine scanlines. Modern TVs still can't handle those inputs that well natively without buying extra equipment.
I went from a cheap CRT to a small PVM to a 20" PVM to OSSC to the Retrotink 5X. The cheap CRT is still useful to maintain the look of some games, moreso than my PVM at this point, but it's not about having no input lag anymore. Things have changed.

>>9109267
That's not me you are responding to, but what did I say that was retarded? There are plenty of people out there who tested the Retrotink 5x's lag and it's about 4 ms in Frame Lock mode, so there's no input lag at 60fps.
The real retard is this guy >>9109176 who I believe is trying to claim the Retrotink is pulling a full 4K @ 60fps. It only goes up to 1440p, but I use 1080p which scales beautifully and laglessly on my 4K TV.

PS2 games are the real prize to me, pic related.
Retrotink vs OSSC; I've never seen a real PS2 have video this clear outside of emulation.

btw I'm serious, if any of you are in the Delaware Valley and want this 20" PVM I'll sell it for like $200. If you can fix the syncing issue then it's a great TV.

>>9109285
>That's the appeal though, with the right cables they look like what you'd get in an emulator but on original hardware and with genuine scanlines
Well at least you're honest about it. You wouldn't believe some of the meltdowns PVM retards have had about it, constantly trying to deny it.

How many CRTs are too many? I have a 27" i'art, but I feel the need to get another component TV as a back up.

>>9108584
So lucky man. I'm still pissed at my retard friend for not pulling through
>all my friends know I'm into /vr/
>about a year ago: asked my local group of friends if they/their parents still have CRTs lying around
>everyone says they'll be on the lookout
>fast forward 6 months, we all hang out at my drunk friend's family lakehouse (these people are loaded)
>there's a 14" Trinitron hanging up in the corner of a bedroom, looks practically unused
>take notice to it
>"anon you like TVs like that? My dad just threw out a bunch because no one would take them"
>ask my friend why he didn't fucking tell me
>"uhhh whoops I was drunk when you asked"
Must be nice to have friends with high IQ. Enjoy that PVM anon

>>9109160
well I hope those redditors were wrong because I just ordered an HDMI to SCART adapter, thanks for the help faggots...

>>9109202
Yes. VGA is already analog RGB, so it doesn't involve a DAC or a scaler in the signal path, it's just a simple circuit that joins HV sync into CSYNC. You have to set an appropriate video mode on the PC though.

>>9109285
>pic
The OSSC side actually never looks like that in motion. Single frame capture doesn't do it justice, because it's just one line-doubled field, hence the jaggies on the screencap. What you see IRL is flickering instead and motion adaptive deinterlacing is still superior, of course.

>>9109312
"Too many" is relative. If you start running out of space or it becomes a compulsion then you probably need to stop. Personally I think two is plenty. One of standard living room size and another small 13" or something.

>>9104001
>Apparently "Nintendo" means "video game console"
Literally everyone over the age of 40 calls them that

>>9105247
CRTs are incredibly bright. I don’t use mine to retro game anymore with the exception of my N64 which absolutely requires the smeary effect, but I do watch a lot of old SD television shows. CRTs are scorching bright. I’m on season 2 of Star Trek DS9 which is a dark show with strong beams of light. Its insane. Even during the intro the flashes of light actually hurt my eyes if I’m watching with the lights off. Flatscreens are getting better about this but its just incomparable.

>>9103697
Honestly the local CRT supply is drying up, I feel fucking stupid for not being this rgb modded flatscreen silver trinny some guy was selling like 3 years back for $175. Just sold a black 90s trinny to some young dude for cheap.

>>9110178
You can find them still on the curb in towns with a higher than average older population. People who bought CRTs around 2004 or so to replace their early 90s set are now throwing them away to finally get a flat panel.

>>9110178
If you have some thirld world country as neighbour, look up if there's any way to buy stuff online there. Third world countries are so far behind that they still have plenty of CRT, you can even find some that are pretty good and the prices are cheap as fuck.

>>9110243
I guess he could be from Canada, yeah.

Because one autist got butthurt by PVM owners and pretends arcades never existed every single one of these threads must be derailed to this pointless bickering.

You would think a niche board dedicated to old videogames would not be the worst board on 4chan but here we are. This board really really sucks. It was even better when half the threads were sega system scotformers willyvania speccy. Fuck you.

Russia will be making these again, the way their country is in decline.

>>9109285
somewhat related to pic
>want to play P3FES before P3P port comes out
>hook up PS2 to my 4K tv with component cables and a $30 component to HDMI adapter
>just let the TV deinterlace the image
>image flickers like crazy
>hurts my eyes
>hook the PS2 up to my parents old 1080p tv from like 2011
>direct component input
>no name brand cheap crap
>image doesn't flicker any more
>looks like the screencap on the left
>looks like progressive video

what the fuck? why is my $1700 4K tv worse than a tv my parents paid $300 for a decade ago?

>>9110373
>why is my $1700 4K tv worse than a tv my parents paid $300 for a decade ago?
follow the money

>>9110373
It's something I've noticed too. My guess is older TVs had better deinterlacers because they were mainly used for watching 1080i and SD broadcasts. Now the focus has shifted to at least 1080p content because who the fuck watches TV in this day and age.
That said, deinterlacing from 2011 probably comes with a lot of lag, even if it looks good.

>>9109919
I have a 13" Toshiba that is composite only with mono audio and another 27" tube that is S-video and composite. I just feel like I would want one more CRT that has component.

>>9110650
Oh, I also have a 27" I'Art that I keep bringing up in these threads. Sorry if I keep annoying people about it.

>>9110538
>That said, deinterlacing from 2011 probably comes with a lot of lag, even if it looks good
true that. For Persona it's fine though, don't need lightning fast response to play a turnbased JRPG. I just wish that something like the RetroTINK 5x wasn't expensive. I just need something that does maybe 2x at most and has the motion adaptive deinterlacing.
>>9110650
Maybe RGB mod one of the tubes and then get a COMP2RGB adapter from Mike Chi?

I have a 27" JVC D-Series with component input that I use for my retro setup. However, I just scored a 32" Trinitron KV 32FS100 for free from the side of the road with component inputs too. Is it any better than my D-Series to replace it in my retro set up, or stick to the D-Series?

>>9104550
peak soulless

>>9110373
My 4k tv has component inputs, I should try it out with my ps2, see how it looks

>>9110672
If you can DIY, GBS-Control does all that for a fraction of the price of RT5X. I use it for PS2 myself.

>>9104550
>crt
>blade runner
>wii (hacked prolly)
>windows 11
>le brandy so ppl on 4chan think I'm cultured yet i still play children's games.
holy fart smeller, we got a genius up in here, a beautiful amalgamation of faggotry, lonliness, AOS (Always online syndrome) and soon to be proven, self ignorance. Get a life zoomie! There's hope on the outside if you take this much effort in actually creating a social life!

>>9111194
What was the point of listing crt as a bulletpoint in /CRT/?

>>9108701
dont search with the term CRT you absolute retard just search for TV and sort by cheapest.

>>9111194
Not him but I see no issue at all with his setup.
It's clean, organized and has quick access to everything he might want to play, the wii is great if you don't care about playstation, and by the looks of it, he doesn't.

>>9108050
also if your tv has audio out you can hook it up to a stereo receiver or use a cheap connector and use noise-cancelling headphones. it works for me, but my set adjusts the volume of the audio out and yours might not. in general, the bigger and older they are the louder they'll whine, but if it's unbearably loud then there's probably something wrong with the circuits and you should recap and reflow where applicable. carefully, of course. discharge the tube.

how the FUCK do people game on CRTs less than 20 inches? Do you sit 3 inches away from the screen?

>>9109160
>>9109202
HDMI to SCART is almost always HDMI to composite not RGB. Don't know any cheap adapter that does HDMI to RGB, you could go HDMI to VGA and that's technically HDMI to RGB but then rather do DP to VGA.

>>9110797
turn it on and see for yourself

I found an iMac G3 in my apt's basement that's not working. When I plug it in it make a buzzing sound like the CRT is about to turn on then immediately shuts off.

Anyone knows what this could be? Is it some expensive part like the flyback or is it salvageable? or would the people on /g/ know better?

I feel bad about usinf my sub 1k hour TV maybe I should get a worn one and put the new one in storage

>>9111454
14' monitors were pretty common back then. Also 480i content uses very clear and large fonts.

>Retrotink
>Mister
Any pc can emulate old games at full speed and with a pci card you can output 15khz natively, why waste money on an external device?

>>9111454
Yeah, you sit closer to them since they are sharper. It's just a sharpness/size ratio, the content looks exactly the same if size/distance ratio is correct but you don't have to have the monitor 3x the size and distance, it can just be on your desk.

>>9111651
>and with a pci card you can output 15khz natively
Why would you need a PCI card? Don't you have DisplayPort out on your modern GPU? You can just output 15kHz RGB.

>>9111667
Meh I tried doesnt work , none of the custom res bullshit worked and I almost nuked my windows install

>>9111673
works perfectly fine here
sounds like user problem

will my pc sitting right next to my tv cause interference? i have a pretty standard case so i to my knowledge it should be well shielded. however i am retarded and didn't take into consideration my pc speakers are unshielded before setting up my display. i have since noticed some distortions in the geometry of the set. what's a good way to shield these? they are on a shelf below the set (about a foot away) with close to an inch of ... i'm not really sure, between. it's not exactly wood, maybe a wood/paste mix?

>>9111673
Where's the problem? I use this method myself and there's several other anons who use DP or HDMI to VGA adapters for the same thing, had one set it up for 240p and 480i in the previous thread.

>>9111763
You can get shielded speakers or monitors. Computer itself won't be a problem.

>>9104013
Bait as fuck.

>>9111194
Nearly every desktop post on 4chan gets a glass of liquor you stupid faggot.
Either that or a pile of empties and cigarette ash.
It's like feet in a gun pic.

>>9111632
Someone on /g/ would know better, but it could just be the ram is loose. Open the back of it up (little twisty plastic scree head) and reseat the ram.
Could also be some other component. Mine was doing this a few months back though and it was the ram.

it's a good day

>>9111667
Hey can I get a quick rundown on this? I had no idea you could use a display port gpu to get a 15hz output. My tv is only Composite though, I'd have to mod it for RGB right?

>>9111974
Basically DP to VGA adapter plus what anon in >>9109904 said about joining sync and afterwards just setting the right screen modes for your emulators

>My tv is only Composite though, I'd have to mod it for RGB right?
Yeah, easier in Europe or with PVMs that already have RGB by default, really cheap and quick solution actually when you have RGB already

>>9111974
>>9112001
There was a anon who used the MiSTer VGA to SCART cable and a random HDMI to VGA adapter to get 15kHz 240p and 480i out from their PC.
https://ultimatemister.com/product/rgb-scart-cable/

>>9112003
you can DIY the cable and there's known good adapters that for sure work with 15khz
this is made to look so much harder than it actually is, no wonder it's so unknown or rarely used

>>9103806
Stop spewing your singular anecdote.

>>9110797
I'd find a place to store it and just keep both

>>9108496
>here in Germany
You are irrelevant.

>>9108759
>>9108763
EU fags can stop posting now.

>>9112417
>80+ million people in germany alone
>middle of europe and easily accessible by car for neighbouring countries too
>"irrelevant"
Did I miss something?

>>9112423
Why? It's a region 740+ million people, double of US and Canada combined. Plus a region where you can still find CRTs, even high end ones, for cheap or free and even PVMs cost only a couple hundred today.

>>9112423
>open 4chan
>ctrl+f "europe" "eu" and whatever shortlist of European countries you have nailed to the wall above the monitor
Rent free

Hey I just got my crt monitor today (ViewSonic A90-2) and I was wondering how I could stop pic related from happening. It's pretty noticeable on any smooth scrolling image and doesn't look all that great

>>9112690
Using it as second monitor? What refresh rate? UFO test is probably syncing up to your main monitor and not the CRT, so you're getting double images since the refresh rate isn't 1:1 to the FPS of the UFO test.

>>9112713
It is my second monitor but I set it as my main monitor while I did the test. It was running at the refresh rate of my monitor while still giving me double images.

>>9112727
You sure? You closed the browser, set it to main monitor and afterwards re-opened the browser?
Where did you check the refresh rate the CRT was running at?

>>9112731
>You sure? You closed the browser, set it to main monitor and afterwards re-opened the browser
yep, exactly how I did it

>Where did you check the refresh rate the CRT was running at
pic related

>>9112747
That's a custom mode, the mode you can be running at could be entirely different. Check advanced settings under Windows display properties.

>>9112752

>>9112759
and UFO test shows 60Hz and the green SYNCED text?

>>9112768
yep!

>>9112769
is your main monitor freesync/g-sync though? if not your CRT might be fucked, as is bad caps and it's actual ghosting or if you're lucky it's just the hdmi/dp to vga adapter you use

>>9112779
My monitor isn't g-sync or freesync. I doubt it's my adapter since I got the Delock DP to VGA adapter everyone recommended. Guess my crt is just fucked.

>>9112786
might be bad batch of vga adapter too though
what cable do you use? might be heavy signal ghosting causing it but unlikely

>>9112791
what do you mean by what cable do I use? I'm pretty tired setting this up so my brain isn't working at full capacity.

>>9112798
your VGA cable might be fucked
the one that connects the adapter to the crt

>>9112806
The cable is attached to the crt so I can't replace it very easily

>>9112791
>>9112798
>>9112806
>>9112809
2huspammer from /g/, I'm still little confused about what the issue he is having, jitter or what? The picture >>9112690 looks exactly like any display should when taken with a sattionary camera with a similiar shutter speed.

Either way whatever it is, it cannot be either the cable or the adapter. Issues you could have is missing a color, left-smearing or no video at all, the adapter nor the cable can duplicate frames or whatever. The Delock is a dumb pixel-at-a-time adapter, that's why it's so cheap and flexible.

>>9112824
>left-smearing
right*

>>9112824
yeah it's jitter. I've tested it a bit more and it's pretty inconsistent, sometimes there's no jitter at all and then suddenly non-stop jitter

>>9112834
let my clarify by saying that the jitter only occurs during movement

>>9112834
Does it work properly in fullscreen games?
Jittery browser is whatever, a lot of things can cause that in Windows.

>>9112837
not using windows

>>9112841
Try disabling compositor?

>>9112837
yeah it happens when stuff is in fullscreen. Although it does happen less in fullscreen

>>9112824
>Either way whatever it is, it cannot be either the cable or the adapter.
Signal ghosting is a thing, anon and usually related to the cable or adapter. It's like having a ghost image follow the real image turning motion.
Similar visually to double images when refresh rate does not match framerate but can be more or less severe. Usually the ghost image has higher contrast for example.

>>9112852
it is a thing but probably not what anon has

>>9112837
>>9112846
I've done some more testing and it seems like turning on v-sync and testing a game like dusk solved the issue entirely. But playing a sprite based game with scrolling (no v-sync available) the jittering starts and stops at random

>>9112859
>it seems like turning on v-sync and testing a game like dusk solved the issue
Obviously the problem was >>9112713
>so you're getting double images since the refresh rate isn't 1:1 to the FPS of the UFO test.
V-Sync forced it to be 1:1, unless your toaster can't handle the FPS. Modern games might have that problem with a 1060.

>But playing a sprite based game with scrolling (no v-sync available) the jittering starts and stops at random
Use Nvidia Control Panel to force v-sync for the game.

I have a laptop with an nvidia gtx 1650 GPU and i'm trying to get it to output 240p to my consumer set via some cheap HDMI to composite converter. I've been trying to mess around with custom resolutions n shit in nividia control panel but i keep getting a shitty 480i picture. Is this a fool's errand? Should I just build a Pc that can do this easier?

>>9112870
Yeah, those adapters don't do 240p, they are hard-wired for 480i. No amount of custom settings will help.
You need HDMI to component or RGB to get 240p.

>>9112870
>Should I just build a Pc that can do this easier?
Your laptop isn't the limiting factor, you need a set that accepts component or RGB and a dongle for your laptop that outputs either.

>>9112852
I don't really have any clue what you're talking about. Signal ghosting is usually that typical smearing/duplicates to the left side, and it happens the same regardless of motion. Don't really understand how stuff could persist accross frames in a cable.

>>9112859
>turning on v-sync and testing a game like dusk solved the issue entirely
Yea that's what vsync is for.
You can force it in various ways depending on your OS, typically the simplest way is to play in (fullscreen) windowed modes.

>>9112862
huh yeah that worked. Weird how it says it's running at the same fps with and without v-sync but it jitters without it on. Is there anyway to make it stop jittering without v-sync? because it's gonna be pretty annoying going through every program I wanna use on my crt and enabling it (I don't wanna use global setting because v-sync looks like ass on my 144hz monitor)

>>9112875
>left
RIGHT
fucking RIGHT SIDE
How do I keep mixing left and right!?

>>9112870
>Should I just build a Pc that can do this easier?
old VGA GPUs with composite out are locked to 480i/576i too anon

>>9112875
>I don't really have any clue what you're talking about. Signal ghosting is usually that typical smearing/duplicates to the left side, and it happens the same regardless of motion. Don't really understand how stuff could persist accross frames in a cable.
Yeah it's not something this anon has a problem with, but it's a thing that exist. You are correct that it happens always and not just in motion though, but usually it's easier to notice in motion.

>to the left
Depends, broken cable that makes bad connection? Could easily be on the left, sure but a cable with bad reflection because, for example, no or bad termination? Could display to the right. Many reasons those things happen.

>>9112872
>>9112874
>>9112879
Damnit, my sony set only has composite and svideo. Thank you guys for the info btw.

>>9112887
You should be able to do DP to VGA with 15kHz and use a VGA to RGB cable that joins sync, then use a RGB to composite converter.

>>9112887
>>9112891
Correction, this one even accepts separate sync. So just DP to VGA and VGA cable into the converter in the picture I posted should work, as long as you use 15kHz modelines on the software side.

>>9112893
>>9112891
My laptop only has hdmi, would hdmi to dp converter work or would that fuck things up?

>>9112897
You can just do HDMI to VGA at that point, there's been anons who got working 240p 15kHz out from HDMI too with HDMI to VGA adapters
Buy a couple cheap ones and try, sent the rest back and keep the one that works or if you can find someone that tells you a specific one that works for sure, but even the same model ones can use different chips so it's still a gamble, specially since HDMI to VGA seems to be more of a mess than DP to VGA

>>9112884
Okay nvm then, the description you gave was so weird to the common vga ghosting that I thought you were talking about something else.
>to the left
Meant right, just being retarded. I don't it's possible for anything to go to the left, unless your display is upside-down.

>>9112905
Cool cool, i'll try them out. Thanks a lot

>>9112906
>Meant right, just being retarded. I don't it's possible for anything to go to the left, unless your display is upside-down.
As said, depends on the specific signal problem. If the initial signal is weak for some reason, you get ghosting to the left, if it's reflecting, you get ghosting to the right.

>>9112432
Why did you lie and double the EU’s population to win an internet argument?

>>9112939
Europe is a continent, anon. There's a lot more countries in there than there are in the European Union.

>>9112939
>>9112949
Also even if they would *ONLY* talk about European Union, it's still almost 100mil more than US and Canada combined. Makes no sense to ignore half ot the European countries though, traveling between them, even between Union and non-Union countries is easy, which might be confusing to a American to understand, granted.

>>9108769
I meant regular CRTs with a higher resolution, not 16:9 widescreen CRTs. But thanks.

>>9112957
fuck your tiny irrelevant shitholes

>>9113218
cope burger

>>9103697
Between 2001 and 2008 I did the job in that picture. Pulled these fuckers out of dumps for recycling. Filthy, heavy, hot work. Wish I'd saved more, but CA paid $10 to our company for every "canceled" CRT. Seriously, they called them "Canceled" after we sent em out for recycling, in Canada, where they smelted the glass and took out the lead.

can i get an electricity 101 from my /crt/ frens. bought this to discharge my crt but im not sure if i should do red > red or red > black or black > red? does it matter at all?

and i bought an RF modulator but it uses a weird RF cable. it came with C while A is used here. preemptively i had bought B thinking it was the right fit but the end of it is actually a smaller A. so what the fuck is the name of the cable i need? C to A.

wrong picture. sorry for the spam.

>>9113446
>>9113497
>>9113493

Why are you discharging your CRT? Are you working on the inside of it?

Toss the RF Modulator. If you wanna hook up a 2600, or a NES or a Genesis, this is the only thing you need, along with an RCA cable.

For older systems, use RCA if you can. SNES and above should have simple RCA adapters. RF adapters are for simps This adapter is $0.50 on Alibaba. RCA female to COAX male.

>>9113315
Got a license for that?

>>9113508
yeah, i'm just dusting it off. been off for a couple of days but want to make sure. just don't like buying one and having all that dirt inside from who knows where. it is pretty dirty inside.

Picked up a nice PVM today, there's a very loud hissing which I know is normal of CRTs but should I be concerned at all? I can't get rid of it right

>>9113517
Spray it out with canned air. Don't go messing around inside. If you REALLY must, it doesn't matter what color the cable is, just that it's connected properly on both ends. But, like... don't. Spray it out. Don't go sticking your hands in there. Not because of the discharge, but just because you might knock something loose, or break something. It's Older than you are, most likely.

And get that adapter.

>>9113518
You can try using a magnet to recalibrate/degause the thing, but it probably won't work. That hiss is it slowly dying, but you could have years left.

>>9113493
>>9113497
C is the Belling-Lee connector, used mainly in PAL regions for plugging in an antenna/cable TV. Burgers used the F connector instead (A in your pic).
Also why do you need the RF modulator? What inputs does your CRT have?

>>9111194
This is the saddest post I've ever seen on /vr/

>>9113521
thanks for the help. i'm fairly confident after going through basically all youtube videos i could find on discharging, just the cable coloring threw me off a loop. looked into canned air but it's fairly expensive where i live and i'm short on money. i even had to buy that booster cable online. also i actually had the same issue perhaps as >>9113518 when i plugged it in and it's why i want to clean it. only afterwards i unplugged it for discharge i realized it has calibration buttons underneath, maybe that would help both of us? shit cost me next to nothing so i won't complain too much though. just glad i'm not the only guy who went out to get one and came home with that lol
>>9113534
thanks for the names. gonna get this adapter for the cable it came with, tell you guys how it goes when it arrives in a week. i run my setup from a pc so needed hdmi>rf. crt only has rf, it's pretty old. plan on getting a small trinitron eventually but they're hard to find where i live. mostly want to play 2600 and nes for now so fuck it.

>>9113546
Wrong cable, unless you have something different. That's Coax to coax. You want Coax male to RCA female. This is the other end.

Canned air is replaceable with any air compressor. Got a garage nearby? Gas station? Friend with a work shop? You can blow it out with that.

Honestly, back in my day... and I am told specifically by the staff not to do this..... But I still do it when I need to fix a CRT iMac, or a fussy TV....

But my solution to hissing back in the day was percussive maintenance. That means balling your hand into a fist and smacking the top of the TV like you're making a point. Do this while it is on. Doesn't work? Hit it harder. Did the picture flicker and shit almost vanished or something? Stop. Something's loose inside.

Sometimes, a good swift smack on the head fixes just about any CRT problem. Sometimes it breaks it irreparably. Sometimes it does nothing. But it was always my go-to. Of course, I always had a warehouse, then later a museum full of these things so if one died I'd get another off the rack. Your mileage may vary, but I'd say it had about a 75% success rate back in the day. 90% on iMacs.

Probably going to adjust convergence rings on a monitor this weekend.
How do I make sure to not die?

>>9113558
Yup, there used to be imagery all over media of people hitting TVs back then. It's for a reason.

>>9108769
this is a pedantic point but hd sets do have rgb in the form of vga or hdmi or dvi, just not scart.

>>9113568
use a mirror, one hand in your pocket when you can, don't touch anything you don't need to, be gentle with the neck of the tube because it's fragile. wear rubber gloves and long sleeves. keep in mind the points on the monitor with high voltage. have someone else in the room to help look at the screen while you adjust and for medical assistance in the event you implode the tube or stop your heart.
mostly just be careful what you touch. also remember to mark where the rings are to begin with.

>>9105083
Just have fun and ignore perfection like the other anon said. I'm buying a house with my wife and I'll have one of the rooms for whatever I want, so naturally I'm going to make it a gaming time machine. But wait, I have 2 CRTs, so the speaker placement will also be fucked. Also I probably can't fit my desk in there either with displays, games, consoles, and seating (it's just an average size room, I'm not a millionaire with a huge mansion). And overall I'm definitely not gonna have space to dedicate one room to each of my other activities: lifting, DIY, work, music. Having a house definitely helps but as long as you have a space where you can get comfy and enjoy some retro gaming, just let yourself enjoy it like we did when we were kids. I definitely didn't worry about speaker placement or guests, I didn't notice the world around me at all as soon as DKC booted up and that kick-ass music started

Why is it even a shitty game can feel like you're playing something amazing if it's on a CRT?

Guy I bought my CRT off said the picture can get warped if you rotate the CRT because of the earth's magnetic fields. Was he bullshitting?

>>9113509
>cries about european union
>makes a UK joke
didn't expect any better education

>need a new CRT
>thrift stores can't carry CRT televisions due to local laws
>buying one online is a terrible idea since shipping alone will make it expensive as fuck
>local facebook marketplace has jack shit, either free fucking huge televisions I wouldn't be able to fit through my door or small garbage ones in awful condition
Suffering.

>>9105083
I have 15kHz CRT monitor for 240p
I have 15kHz CRT TV for 480i
I have VGA CRT for 480p to 1440p
I have Plasma for everything that's too new for CRT but not new enough for OLED
I have OLED for everything new

Each with their own proper desk and monitor (as in stereo speaker) setups

Plus a few others like ultrawides for modern PC games

Anyone else used to put their head close to the screen as a kid to get their hair to stand?
Or "wipe off" the static electricity with their arm?

>>9114984
I took the flyback out and managed to shock myself a few times when burning shit using electricity
Glad I'm still here

>>9114984
oh hell yeah, gonna try that tonight
also, i got my gf to start doing movie night with vhs tapes on my crt screen. we're all going to be ok

>>9114984
Yea. Did you try touching the screen with a piece of aluminium foil?

>>9114024
No he's not bullshitting. The image is absolutely affected by the Earth's magnetic field. I'd recommend you face the screen toward magnetic north for the best geometry and color purity.

>>9115160
I second this, actually true
Hence why you actually do have to calibrate geometry again if you move the CRT between rooms or rotate it too much

>>9114024
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2k8wKHIJCE
CRTs are literally electron guns. Of course they're affected by electromagnetic fields.

>>9115168
>a non-zero amount of gullible tourists will actually carry a console with the 240p suite and a big ass CRTs between rooms to see how much recalibration they'll need
kek

I was taking stuff to the local recycling centre last weekend. Came home with an aiwa 14" stereo crt. Got it home and it's fully working.
If you're after one, just do the same.

>>9115367
Just something I noticed when I moved CRTs around over the years
Also once I actually calibrated the rings around the tube and then put the CRT back, but I had it on the ground, facing 90 degrees from where it normally sits on the table next to it
It was perfect on the ground but once I put it back on the table, you could actually see it being off again without comparison images

>>9115435
Doing the lord's work, anon, enjoy

>>9103697
Are 1080i wegad with componentand hdmi based or cringe?

>>9115679
mid. they have input lag and some have sharpness filtering that you can't disable even in the service menu. most of the time the aperture grill pitch isn't small enough for 1920 or even 1280 horizontal resolution. mine is only small enough for 863, so it's nice for anamorphic widescreen dvds and wii if you don't mind the lag. with lag minimized it's a couple frames.

>moving out
>mom says she will leave all my shit the way I leave it
>cool I can eventually come back and pick up my CRT
>come back three years later
>she had the CRT moved outside behind a staircase in the basement where it caught moisture and got infested with rodents
My beauty..... Never got over it.

>>9115948
>>she had the CRT moved outside behind a staircase in the basement where it caught moisture and got infested with rodents
Don't see the problem. Looks like a fix-em-up.

>>9114097
me

Can you touch anything inside once discharged?

>>9116062
on a 5" set like that, yeah. on larger sets some of the bigger caps might warrant discharging too.

>>9103697
silent hill 2 PS2 through component on a toshiba 14AF46

>have 16 crts
>still afraid of running out and feel like I need more
suffering I wish ewaste places would just let me look around and take some I need more

>>9116631
you are filthy, disgusting human being

>>9116648
not really

>>9116631
hi Ran-kraut

>>9116678
hello

>>9116653
you hoard giant, decaying electronics that have literally no use outside of video games, more than you'll ever possibly need, yet your avarice compels you to collect more and more. you fill your living space with meaningless, peurile garbage out of a bizarre fear that you'll one day lose the capacity to accurately recreate childhood memories. you have stunted yourself and alienated everyone around you, without question. you are alao undoubtedly an unclean and smelly person with a cluttered home and a cluttered mind. you are everything wrong with society and my hatred for you is beyond limit. unironically end your life you stinky, wretches little creature.

>>9116712
I collect more and more too, when I run out of dedicated space for them, I give the shittier ones away
Over time my inventory just grows in quality

>>9116712
your reading too much into it I collect crts because I like them and I have nothing better to do
>unclean and smelly person with a cluttered home and a cluttered mind
dumb normie thinks his minimalism makes him a better person

>>9116729
>literally admits to collectingold garbage to fill a void in his life
kek checkmate retard
>dumb normie thinks his minimalism makes him a better person
yes, it does. also, only "normies" surround themselves with material objects instead of playing actual fucking video games.

Im glad I saved little eizo chan from being scrapped but I couldnt save so many of her sisters its just sad

>>9116742
how does it feel knowing that every person who sees you is repulsed by you and the world would experience a met gain from your demise?

>>9116741
>>9116745
You sound like a projecting faggot with issues.

>>9116741
half of my crts would be dead now if I hadnt saved them from the crusher poor things deserve better
And they are being used to play vidya
>>9116745
it could be worse

>>9116749
>muh projection
the de facto response of every butthurt retard called out on his own inadequacies. i repeat, you are a filthy human whom everyone else considers a burden and you wont be missed when you inevitably tie the rope.

I fucking hate ewaste why wont they let me look through their sets theyll get scrapped anyways its frustrating so damn frustrating

>>9116764
you sound kind of stressed why dont you have a drink?
If an anime girls smile cant cheer you up I dont know what will

>>9116765
they scrap that shit for money, you taking that stuff means less money for them.

>>9116771
dont worry, you can laugh it off now. you wont be laughing when you're in the nursing home, alone and being physically abused by a fat nigger nurss because you never became a functional adult and alienated anyone who could become friend or family and take care of your retarded ass. throw away all of your shit, take a shower, buy new clothes, lose weight, shave, start saving money for something meaningful. if you do this, there is a small chance you can piece together your broken life. ignore this advice and i guarantee you will steep further and further into materialism and crushing depression until you become sick or suicidal. this is the advice you're ever going to get, good luck.

>>9116764
Maybe because you are a projecting faggot and that's why everyone calls you that?

>>9116785
>writing all that shit to reply to some retarded drunk who enjoys hoarding CRTs

>>9116786
>being the retarded drunk who hoards
like i said, good luck. the joke will stop being funny real soon.

>>9116792
That fag has posted for years. Still funny.

>>9116785
Its not gonna get better it only gets worse you will get older aswell you will be betrayed aswell there is no gurantee you wont die alone even if you do everything right.
And I think im just gonna blow my brains out before I end up ina nursing home fuck that if I cant life on my own anymore its over anyways might aswell end it there and then
, who would go willingly into a nursing home what a sad way to die, if you end up in a nursing home it means your family doesnt want to deal with you and wants you dead

>>9116797
hope that cope makes you feel better. it wont change anything. you've been warned.

>>9116801
lear 2 read

>>9116776
the guys working at the acception point from 8 to 18 don't give a shit, they get paid the same regardless
I know several places where they don't give a shit

>>9117029
It’s more of a dickhead thing
I went to one and asked the guy and he said sure
Then the guy in charge came out all pissy and told me I can’t do that so I asked him why, he goes “because I said so”

>>9117095
at that point you ask if you can offer them 20 bucks for it, people love money, protip

>>9116776
lol many places even sell their shit to normal people, like officially, not even what I'm talking about above

>>9117029
>>9117095
yea probably. they more like choose to ignore sometimes. if asked from their superiors taking stuff is not allowed. because how do you control that, if one is allowed to take an old tv home everyone should be. so no one is allowed, officially.

>>9116514
Thanks

should you replace all capacitors or only the big pump up one to fix vertical foldover?
And is it allright to use one that has the same values as the old one but is physical much much smaller?

>>9117781
You don't have to replace any, unless there's a problem. Newer capacitors never hurt though if they are the same value (I'd say it's beneficial anyways, analog equipment is less tolerant to drift).
But if you're already replacing because of a broken one, etc, might as well change everything.

>>9117789
well as I have explained above there is an issue

So realistically how are you supposed to replace capacitors, do you pull the PCB out a little and do it in the TV or do you disconnect all the cables an pull the board?

>>9115948
stupid bitch

>>9117996
Realistically if you don’t know the answer to this, you shouldn’t be replacing capacitors

>>9105115
No, just that modern options + shaders are superior than even the finest CRT

I found this for free.

>>9118270
It needs some cleaning, but it looks so retro and cool.

>>9118276
Only one set of inputs, but it is free so I can't complain. I couldn't test it since it was a grab and go on a curb, but I imagine it should be fine. At least I jope so since they said it works and it has the remote.

>>9118270
>>9118287
>>9118276
very nice composite Monitor

>>9118359
Thanks! I was worried it might not be worth the effort, but honestly the aesthetic alone is nice and I would of hate to see it dumped off since these 80's CRTs seem harder to find. I just hope the picture isn't screwed up.

>>9118270
love the aesthetic of this era

>>9115948
I had a cute little 14" Trinitron years ago, got it for $20 off craigslist, worked great, and even came in the original box. I was stupid and let some movers put it in their truck instead of taking it in my car, and it got all sorts of fucked up. Never found such a great deal since, and had to settle for a Sharp Xtreme.

>>9118381
yeah I once found a TV with a simillar aesthetic but I only had RF and the picture looked awfull so I got rid of it, I kinda wish I hadnt

USAKO

>>9118739
What is it, MEATBALL HEAD?

Here is the Sanyo tv in action
https://files.catbox.moe/6xmboj.mp4

Everything looks good with it, but the are a few lines of dead pixels on top of the screen. Plus when I was adjusting the color and sharpness dials, the screen would turn dark for a bit then be fine. After keeping it on for about 6 minutes after changing the picture it all looked good.

Honestly I feel like I jumped the gun a bit picking it up, but again it was free and I can always dump(as much as I hate to say it) it if it has issues.

Here is a video of >>9118270 in action https://files.catbox.moe/6xmboj.mp4

Only issues I found are that there are a line of dead pixels on top of the screen and when I adjusted the color and sharpness knobs the screen when darker a couple times and then never again the six other minutes I was playing Megaman 2.

Honestly I feel like I jumped the gun picking it up, but it was free and I can always dump it at my work if these are signs that the poor thing is dying. Plus, it was from an older couple(or an older single women) that probably needed help getting rid of it, so I'll consider it a good need to of thrown it out for her.

Pardon for the double post, but I think 4chan is having a stroke.

>rearranging my room to accomodate the 32'' crt I got a few months ago
>have the CRT just sitting on top of the stand I got it in the middle of my room while I'm doing shit
>disassembling my desk to move it (it's attached to the wall sort of)
>as I'm lifting up my desk top to put it out of the way, I turn and swing it around full fucking force directly into the CRT's screen without realizing
>hit the screen hard enough to dent the corner of my desk, but the CRT just wobbled for a second and is fine, not even scratched

Man I would have fucking screamed if I smashed this CRT, holy shit. If I did that to my HDTV it would have put a hole in it for sure. Has anyone here ever broken a CRT before? Like not on purpose but on accident.

>tfw I'm so brow beaten by having terrible luck getting a reasonable crt to replace my busted old one I'm seriously considering spending 150 USD on a tinitron that's in perfect condition
I realize paying that much for a crt is incredibly silly, but I guess living in ass crack nowhere I don't really have many options if the local facebook marketplace/thrift store/cragislist/mercari scene isn't doing it for me.

>>9118824
>but the are a few lines of dead pixels on top of the screen
>dead pixels
>on a CRT
Bruh, those aren't dead pixels. Those lines mean that something has gone bad in the vertical deflection circuit. Sooner or later, the entire image will collapse down into one line in the center of the screen. Probably a failing capactitor or chip.

>>9118829
>CRT
>dead pixels
lol

I've actually never owned a Trinitron before. Does the KV-13FM13 come recommended if 90% of the time I play on the original PlayStation and Sega Saturn?

>>9119664
>>9119756
I know crts don't have pixels on them, but I didn't know a better word for the issue. I was thinking that it could be lines showing due to that section of the game not suppose to be visable.

>>9119764
>>9119664
I guess after looking at another playthrough of bubbleman's stage, I notice that the screen can reach that area of the sceen without issue. So I will probably send it out to pasture later this week. I will at least keep the remote, but it's sad that it is going out.

>>9119646
if it's not more expensive, you can go for something far away and make a road trip out of it. i always check the local listings when i'm out of town, but then fb starts thinking i live there

This looks so damn SOUL...too bad its not working and i cant find another transparent version of this TV.

>>9119960
they're cheap fucks. i bet you could find a working set and tube swap or whatever it is that's needed

>>9120003
yeah i see tons of these specific small tv-radio ones.
Wanted to get one just for nostalgia - i remember i used to play simple NES games on 5* black and white size tv as a kid and i think its perfect for quick plug and play random nes stuff.

Plus it looks aestetically pleasing if transparent

>>9118829
could need a recap. I hate muh recap fags but it does look like something it drifting in the signal where it's not sweeping vertically all the way. You could try cleaning any pots in the inside or outside and see if it helps. also it could just be underscan. I have a zenith that does something like that but it's just the top few pixels that would be pushed off with some vertical size adjustment. there should be a v size adjustment that you can use to make that change.

>>9105083
it's a pain to invest in the storage, but i've always advocated for the "one thing at a time" approach. I have a clean desk, a flat screen, and CRT. everything goes in storage in a closet and pull out what I want to play (tandy, commodore, ps4, turbographx, etc) at that area. it helps you focus on one game/platform and keeps things tidy. Those maximal, cube, rgb, meme setups never work. The cabling is a nightmare and it's impossible with children around. If the desk isn't occupied by a computer then you can use it for soldering work. I have a workbench in my garage but in the summer when it's too hot i solder at a desk indoors.

Right now, i'm doing a lot of VR stuff and that takes a lot of space. Once I'm done with the headsets, they'll get velcroed up, boxed and just put away.

>>9120024
I'm just going to go ahead and dump it off, as I saw that these 80's can have horizontal issues where a fire could occur. Also, I have no idea how to solder so I would hate to cause a fire and shock myself. Sorry to be a scrub like this, but I guess I will just stick to 2000s tv like my I'art.

>>9103806

>>9118943
I had one tied down in the back of my truck when someone moved in front of me on the highway and slammed their brakes. I hit my brakes, crt popped from the tie down and rolled into its face. I though for sure it would be smashed because it landed on some bricks, but it turned out there was a cardboard box on top of the bricks. Wasn't even scratched.
They're strong. That would've destroyed any other display.

>>9119960
i always keep my eyes out for these little sets but they seem to get snatched pretty fast. noticing far fewer CRTs in general lately, i think the scalpers are starting to hoard

>>9120228
>noticing far fewer CRTs in general lately
Same, but for me that's due to local laws changing. Places like thrift stores in my state are not allowed to carry CRTs anymore. Only TVs you'll find there now are rancid old flatscreens.

>>9120056
he's wrong because the supply is decreasing daily

>>9120251
I have a Compaq 19" and a Dell 17". I also have a second Dell 17", but I think that has power arching or something cause I hear a pop sometimes and a small dot of discoloration shows up for a second.

>>9119664
Nah it just looks like there’s a bow in the geometry

>>9120251
i think these people really underestimate a) how many other people actually want to use this junk (hint: literally no one except /vr/ autists and the few /vhs/ autists), and b) how willing your average person is to chuck them straight into the garbage without a second thought

>>9120295
There's definitely bowing but there are a few distinct lines there. Maybe it's not the first stage of vertical collapse, though. Pic related is what I'm used to seeing before a monitor "collapses".

>>9120295
>>9120309
Well I already dropped it off since other reasons like fire hazard stuff. I feel really bad too since I really wanted to use it for my famicom stuff, but like I also mentioned the colors all got darker off and on for some reason after adjusting the setting a bit. So I'm thinking it was on its way out, I just feel bad for the poor thing.

>>9120309
>>9120295
A closer pic of the line issue. Sorry to everyone for contributing towards the on going issue of CRTs supply. I still have my 13" Toshiba and a couple others with S-video or component around my house. The 13" Toshiba should be good for my NES and PC Engine games anyways.

>>9120376
No biggie. 80s monitors aren't exactly ideal.

>>9120309
>>9120363
>>9120376
Those are retrace lines, a simple capacitor replacement will fix that
What’s happening is the electron gun is not correctly scanning the lines

>>9120629
Shoot, now I feel bad. Sorry

I was playing Paper Mario for around two hours when during the end it sounded like the plastic made "popped" sound and it feels warm around the air flow sides. I'm sure it is normal since these things get hot after a while, but is that normal?

So I bought the ssm-14l1 recently. It looks good but I'm unsure if this is able to do 240p. Im playing on my SNES and it says its at 480p 60i. Is this one of those crts which just upscale its content?

How many CRTs would you say are good enough to have for a lifetime of use? I have three, ranging from composite to component, but worry that I should pick up a forth one around 20" or less.

How do you guys feel about 13 inch screens? Talking with some people and they all say 13 inch crts are far too small for gaming and compromise your picture quality.
I've been playing on a 13 inch crt in my room for the past seven years and I think that it's perfect. Nice and neat in a corner in my room. Never once have I felt like the screen was too small.

Check out shango066 on YT. He does CRT repairs

https://m.youtube.com/user/shango066

>>9120682
If you're going to throw something away because it has an slight issue and not even bother to attempt to learn how to repair things then you're going to run into this exact same problem with your newer tv in maybe 5-10 years. You might as well fuck around with one that already has an issue because you're interesting in using devices that aren't getting any younger.

>>9120906
Well it was mostly due to that TV being from the 80s and worried about it becoming a fire hazard down the line. If something were to happen to my I'art or 13" Toshiba for example I would feel more comfortable to work on those due to less hours used compared to the 80s one, more likely anyhow, and overall better quality of parts from when those were made. At least that is how I feel about it, plus I live at home with my mom so I hate to have something that would damage the house if I look away. I feel bad about giving it up still.

I do understand what you mean overall and I do need to learn how to solder, I'm just waiting for those Pinecils to come back in stock or something just as good.

>>9105163
What game is this?

>>9120963
The Thing I believe

>>9103996
>also, no one is ever going to manufacture new crts again except in your dreams.

you cant find a CD for sale in bestbuy but you can find vinyl records and record players.

I saw a portable cassette player being sold on one of the home shopping channels last week and a poloroid style camera.

crts coming back arent too farfetched

>>9104359
carthode raycsist

>>9104435
I see the brain damage audiophiles suffer from has spilled over into other areas

>>9121156
>Old media format popular
>CRT old media format
>Therefore old media format MUST become popular

>>9119960
What is the manufacturer and model number? I've never seen this

>>9103806
just remember we warned you about it

>>9121189
There is a black stray that hangs out around my house and I give it food and water daily, but I'm so worried that it might be sick since I see some gray on its leg.

>>9121194
take pix

>>9120935
Even if it was broken and I didn't want to fix it and use it, I'd just keep the monitor as a display piece or something because it looks cool. If I had the room for it, of course.

>>9121212
That's what I was going to do for a display piece, but like you said I have no room for it and I love with family so they didn't want it hogging up space.

>>9121197
The pic. It looks so scared and sad I just feel like crying a bit.

>>9121215
Sorry it isn't the best pic, but here is another.

>>9121215
>>9121219
nice kitty anon. if you keep feeding it, it will eventually trust you. does he walk funny? otherwise grey patch could just be natural

>>9121231
He runs and jumps quickly when I walk anywhere near it. So they seem okay, but I have a cat by brother found as a kitten two years ago and I get a little emotional and worried when I see a stray more now.

My cat

>>9119960
damn the white one looks cute as well!
uhhhh guys should i get 5 inch one? It looks so damn neat in aestetically pleasing terms but how is playing simple games on it?

I remember i was playing NES/Sega on a very small tv back in the 90s but i dont remember was it actually 5 inch or not

>>9121272
I tried Ridgr Racer Type 4 on one that was cool, but hard to read. Said TV also started shorting out a bit and then died sadly, but I think it was just a fuse.

>>9120237
What state, and why?

>>9121296
I know my goodwills around houston don't have CRTs in them at all.

Can you guys think of any other instances of people pretending to like objectively inferior technology? Maybe people who collect vinyl?

>>9121308
>Can you guys think of any other instances of people pretending to like objectively inferior technology? Maybe people who collect vinyl?
Zoom Zoom

>>9103806
>the free market will ensure a small company will start making them again.
CRTs will never get made again.
But it's okay since MicroLED is coming anyways so who would want a CRT at that point when you can perfectly emulate CRTs plus with better black level and ANSI contrast?

>>9121308
here's your (you)
also i collect vhs

>>9120682
>>9120376
>>9120309
Why would you immeadtly throw something away as a first instinct, 30 minute repair job, atleast give it away online next time

>>9121408
The other thing was the screen would go dark with the colors randomly and it sounded like the power kind of "jumped" off and on once. If I did try and give it away I didn't want to be sued somehow for "giving away a faulty item that caused a fire". Again I feel bad about it, but I don't intend on just giving up CRTs and infact I saved three CRT PC Monitors from being trashed at my work. One of the monitors has a "power arc" issue I heard can be easy to fix with some cleaning, so I'm not throwing that one away just because of that issue.

>>9110373
my 4K (LG CX) is great at deinterlacing.
I do use an OSSC though, but simply line double 480i and it looks grand on the 4K.
Much preferred over playing 480i on a 15khz set.

>>9121509
*Ignore the retarded post.
I don't line double 480i - I feed that directly into the flat panel.
I do line double 480p (Dreamcast)!

>>9120750
i don't know if a pvm is able to distinguish between 240p and 480i. if you have 240p test suite on something, there's a "drop shadow test" that will tell you if your signal is interlaced or not

>>9120828
he's kind of a character but his hour-long resurrection vids are max comfy

>>9121272
these sets are pretty hit or miss in terms of quality, could be sharp as a tack or have a picture like what it looks like when you press against your eyeballs. some don't have composite input.

>>9103697
holy FUCK look at this thing!
This is so Fallout (needs some degradation of plastic/recoloring tho) and would look nice as some sort of weird thing in your house.

it's a tv with THREE lights.
Why? what? HWHWYWYYYY??
>hey kids - it's a huuuge flashlight but also you can watch cartoons on it!

>>9121871
There are 2 additional adjustable lamps on the back of this Son of Frankenstein

>>9121871
it's something you would use in case the power went out, to get weather updates etc.

>>9121916
>it's something you would use in case the power went out, to get weather updates etc.
Do americans really live like that?

>>9121027
Nvm found it, it’s SOCOM

>>9121871
>>9121874
looks great

Anons i think i finally started with something.
One guy gifted me a "tv that is not working" - but turned out that it's not working because "when i turn it - there is nothing just a screen that goes "pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"".

Any TV-experts here? I will be searching for info and videos about adapters and etc. but it will be nice if there are people that already know how good or bad this TV is for some retro stuff.

I know it's super old dusty and couple of buttons went broken (i remember same thing happening with old tvs and i used to use pencils to push buttons back then haha) but if it will be working nicely with games it's a good start.
(will provide photos)

>>9122275

how the fuck do you niggers deal with coil whine from those TVs, are ya'll just deaf?

>>9122279
So i guess it's TV philips 15aa3332/08B
but the info is not showing anything. I guess it's a color tv at least.
Need to get some connectors - i had one but its in my parents house ugh

>>9122275
>>9122279
>zoomers these days think that a TV showing static means it's broken
Brilliant.

>>9120816
Only actual zoomers think a 13 inch screen is too small for gaming.

>>9122282
I'm 27, it goes away over time. When I started using my CRT for the first time in 10 or 11 years, it was noticeable enough to give me headaches. Now I hear nothing.

>>9120963
Looks like a Socom.

>>9122282
You mean the 15kHz high voltage noise? That only applies to 15kHz monitors/TV by the way.

Anyways, I grew up with CRTs and never stopped using them. Literally a non-problem.
I definitely can hear it less these days though thanks to age, but I can still tell that a 15kHz CRT is turned on in the house.

>>9122285
>Brilliant.
I'm pretty sure im older than you.
+ you seem to have some shit in your eyeholes if you didn't read: >>9122275
>(i remember same thing happening with old tvs and i used to use pencils to push buttons back then
which means i clearly had a CRT tv back then and used to play games on it.

But here is your cursed (you)

I imagine I will get flamed and called a stupid niggerfaggot for asking a stupid question, but is it detrimental to have HDDs near a running CRT? I'm talking external drives. I know it's fine to have drives in a PC case next to a CRT but I was unsure if it was all just a matter of shielding in the long run.

>>9122293
i'm 34 and hear it whenever I see a youtube video where one is on and its fucking annoying.
>>9122303
no every single TV, I couldn't hear it when I was younger but now at 34 I hear it with any thing thats not a computer monitor.

>>9122310
>no every single TV, I couldn't hear it when I was younger but now at 34 I hear it with any thing thats not a computer monitor.
It's physically impossible to hear 31kHz or higher CRT monitors. This only applies to 15kHz TVs.

>any thing thats not a computer monitor.
There's also 15kHz computer monitors though, so I don't know what difference saying that makes.

>>9122285
>zoomers these days think that a TV showing static means it's broken
also i re-read your message and holy fuck.
You are such an entitled faggot you didn't even properly read my post.

The story was - the old guy that thought it's broken thought that just because to him it was considered broken just because "it goes pshhhh and dont show anything".

I didn't know that and i still decided to go to his place and after testing it home i saw that this TV is working.

Fucking die zoomer moron. How such subhuman brain can even exist holy fuck.

>>9122305
It clearly shows static, so it's indeed working.

>>9122318
>It clearly shows static, so it's indeed working.
yes i also read my own post. Thanks genius.

>>9122319
So yeah, at least a zoomer thinking it's broken because "it goes pshhhh and dont show anything" is excusable thanks to lack of experience or knowledge for something that they never experienced. A "old guy" doing the same is just misinformed or dumb.

No idea why this makes you so angry and what kind of a argument is "no ur the zoomer" when I didn't even call *you* the zoomer buy the person making the comment about it not working originally, unless you are yourself actually a projecting zoomer who my post triggered. Which I guess is true, case closed, enjoy your CRT.

>>9122314
its not impossible https://youtu.be/coymTmLg6H4?t=341

>>9122323
Your video literally says "The frequency this happens at lies near the upper range of human hearing." which is 15kHz.

The quote in the video is from here:
https://www.cabletv.com/blog/how-to-fix-a-buzzing-tv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_range
Human hearing range even in the best cases maxes out at 20 kHz, you won't be able to hear 31kHz or higher monitors like VGA/SVGA CRTs or even EGA/CGA.

So can you hear it? 15kHz CRT TV/monitor, yes. 20kHz+ CRT monitor, no.

>>9122337
alright give me a video of one of your 31kHz TVs and I guarantee I can hear it.

>>9122340
Kek, nice one. I could literally record it with my phone and it would be complete silence thanks to most things not even recording or encoding such frequencies.
I guess you're just shitposting at this point? Pretty funny post tho, have to say.

>>9122353
Do it then, prove me wrong cause I don't believe you.

>>9122356
Ok.