/vr/ - Retro Games

Jotego has started to hype up Superscaler arcade games

>>9090286
Right now you can play the 32x ports, soon we'll have the saturn ports and the originals. Based as fuck.

Is there a way to use Update_All with 3MbPS Download Speeds? I've never been able to update my MiSTer at these slow speeds. I've had to bring them to a place with 50MbPS DL and then it updates just fine.

>>9090378
You can massage downloader.ini to skip updating some stuff.

>paying $300 for an emulator
always cringe, every time

>>9090253
When will "consumer-grade" FPGA get big enough for Nintendo 64 emulation? Xbox?

>>9091640
Stop being poor.

>>9091650
2 more weeks

>>9090253
If you actually paid money for one of those emulators, i've got some magic beans you'll be interested in too.

>>9091640
$300 is just 70 Venti Cinnamon Dolce Lattes from starbucks. Stop being poor.

>>9090348
Or you can do all of that on any old pc/laptop.

>>9091895
Imagine spending money to buy pc parts/laptop when you can just use your phone for everything lmao

>>9091905
My laptop cost me a few hundred bucks and is 6 years old now. Mobile phone screens break when you sneeze on them and need battery changes every year or two.

>>9091909
Fattop with microshit windaids gets infested by monkeypox every time you turn it on.

>>9090378
Set update_all to not download any MAME roms, then go them separately if you want them.

I'm not happy with any of the case solutions out there, where are the classic console imitations?

>>9092245
It isn't a fashion accessory anon. What is wrong with the aluminium cases?

>>9092272
It runs classic systems so I want a classic look.

>>9091853
What do the beans do? How are they better than pinto beans?

I feel bad for people who have never used one and don't realize how nifty it is, especially with a CRT

>>9092386
>Turn it on
>Grab controller and sit on couch
>Play game

This takes 5 seconds. I love it.

>>9093810
>double click rom
>play game
>for free and I don't have a pussy repelent "retro gaming" setup

>>9093928
>doesn't have company
>plays on his wheezy PC
>alone in his bedroom
>couldn't afford one if he wanted

Doesn't matter I bet those grapes tasted like shit anyway.

>>9093928
>Playing on a desktop
Big meme moment

>>9093928
>not using a crt with rgb
Yeah have fun setting up groovymame or custom low resolutions with proper refresh, it takes a little longer.

>>9092279
I like seeing all the blinkenlights.

>>9093928
Ask me how I know you're a loner virgin.

>>9093928
big cope.

With the new HDMI pixel repetition feature, it seems that I'm finally able to get native 4K vertical resolution on consoles like the Genesis/SNES. However, according the the MiSTer wiki, 210mhz is the maximum recommended pixel clock. What happens if I go over it like in the image taken? I didn't have any trouble playing my Genesis games in that resolution.

>>9094875
you're probably fine it probably means most TV's won't handle it well.

What happened to NGPC? I thought Jotego started on it ages ago?

>>9091640
>paying money for any consumer device when you can just imagine what the experience is like in your head and save money
cuck

>>9095053
Jotego is planning to focus on NGPC after releasing Outrun beta next week.

>>9095060
>consuming calories by imagining things instead of just zoning out in dark rooms

>>9094089
Based led enjoyer

>>9095251
Looks nice amirite? Hamburger is the optimal sperg loadout.

>>9095265
>Hamburger is the optimal sperg loadout.

>>9095103
>zoning out in dark rooms
Now we're talkin'

Super Game Boy core is live

>>9090253
I want an elevator action arcade code

>>9094090
Because I have a MiSTer. You can go around asking the girls, all they want is a guy with a MiSTer. It's pure truth.

>>9094875
Holy FUCK I have to try this out

>>9094875
Mister has native 4K support now?!

>>9093928
>>pussy repelent
A proper retro gaming setup attracts classy ladies, anon.

>>9094089
>blinkenlights
towel nl

>>9095298
God I hate this drawing it's so cringey

>>9095737
>>9095773
>Mister has native 4K support now?!
Almost. I did more tests, and it can display 320x224/256x224 content natively on 4k TVs with a vertical resolution of 2016 no problem (224 multiplied 9). However, anything that displays at native 2160 resolution will look glitchy, due to the maximum internal buffer being a maximum of 2048 lines both horizontally and vertically, meaning content that uses the full 240 lines won't be able to display properly at native 4k and still need to fall back to lower vertical resolutions to display properly, unfortunately.

Luckily, this means that the vast majority of consoles with an actual vertical resolution of 224 (such as NES, SNES, MD, Neo-Geo, TG16, etc) will be able to display full screen pixel perfect on native 4k displays. Just use this video mode in the ini file to get native 4k.

video_mode=1600,2160,60,+hsync,-vsync,pr,cvtrb

If the image is glitchy, then you will need to turn off overscan (applies to NES mainly, but there may be other consoles). If there's no way to turn it off, such as with x68000 at 240p, then you can use the following for that specific core.

video_mode=1600,2016,60,+hsync,-vsync,pr,cvtrb

I've only tested this on my Vizio TV though, and I found this resolution to be glitchy, where it would keep going blank, so YMMV on the above, but I found the 2160 to work comfortably. Hope this helps.

>>9097108
I made a small mistake, but I should amend. When I say native resolution, I mean only the native vertical resolution. The horizontal resolution will be only half of native, stretched thanks to the new HDMI Pixel Repetition feature just implemented in MiSTer (make sure to update MiSTer first, in other words). For filters such as scanlines though, I think that the vertical resolution is more important regardless, and without filters, the result would be exactly like native anyway.

For cores that don't need Dual RAM (99% of them), is it possible to utilize that extra memory of Dual RAM for less framerate drops in games and/or render them at a higher resolution? For example, PS1 games rendering in native 480p instead of native 240p/480i for less jagged 3D models?

>>9092236
>Set update_all to not download any MAME roms
Hold on, does this mean that all MAME arcade games are playable out of the box on MiSTer? I didn't think that was the case, but if it is, I'll have to try it out.

>>9097130
No core needs dual ram.

>bought parts for mt32-pi lite
>only just realized that it needs IO board 6.1 or greater
>check my IO board
>6.0
fuCK

>>9097614
there is a thing you can do to make a 6.0 work like a 6.1 but I can't remember what it is, maybe soldering one extra pin or something

>>9097625
It doesn't really matter at this point. I thought I had a working Zero but it turns out it's dead. I've been trying to buy a new one for weeks but it seems they won't come back in stock for a while. Might just give up. It's a really niche thing that I'll probably load up the X68k core once, play etoile princess and go "huh, I guess it sounds slightly better" and then never touch again.

>>9096106
I for one want more more pictures of smiling anime girls holding a Mister.

Tomy Tutor (relative of TI-99/4A computer) core is live

>>9095479
Pretty sure that GB core was already SGB, rite?

>>9099551
It can load the borders and palettes, but that's it. The new core fully emulates the SGB.

>>9095251
I wanna plug more random USB crap just to have all the green leds at the bottom lighting up.

>>9095773
>>9097108
no open source FPGA design can do proper HDMI 2.0 4K, it requires onboard transceivers and a hefty license fee for the IP core as nobody has written their own.

I have no idea what kind of out-of-spec signal this bullshit is generating but it can't work everywhere.

>>9100103
But will the end user be able tell the difference? Man fuck HDMI.

>>9100170
when it only works on 20% of displays, yes.

>>9094875
I'm honestly bamboozled as to why people are putting so much effort into ricing digital displays.

>>9100189
>ricing digital displays
What does this mean?

>>9100189
I personally just wanted to play my MiSTer games in native 4k to take advantage of the crisp image without crop.

>>9100209
1080p should scale without cropping right?

>>9100209
Doesn't 720p integer scale to 4k?

>>9100103
>no open source FPGA design can do proper HDMI 2.0 4K, it requires onboard transceivers and a hefty license fee for the IP core as nobody has written their own.
What about Displayport 1.4? Does that also require you to pay licensing fees for IP cores? Why doesn't VESA just make these things free like how RCA/RGB/Component always were?

>>9100217
Not if you want pixel perfect integer scailing, it won't. A typical 224p image requires you to either scale the image to only 896, leaving significant black boarders on all sides, or scale it 5x, cutting off 8 pixels and giving you 216p in games.

>>9100219
Yes, it does, but things might get more complicated if you want to play cores with a 640x448 resolution, or if you want to play a game with crisp scanlines or shadow masks.

>>9100249
Shadowmasks are rice.

Where the fuck do I get a DE10 Nano? Terasic says pre-order but there's no option on the page to pre-order.

>>9100329
Just think like a taiwanese. Add 1 to your cart and checkout.

>>9100189
>I'm honestly bamboozled as to why people are putting so much effort into ricing digital displays.
We put in the effort because we want to recreate the CRT experience as close as possible without the hassle of a CRT's weight, price (they keep climbing, like everything else retro), and space.

As for why we want the CRT experience, a "riced" display gives the pixels of low resolutions a more natural look, as if you were looking in a door screen at something. We like that look, and it's generally what the devs of these games intended for them to look like (given they were made when these displays were mainstream).

>>9100491
When the games were mainstream, most if not all people preferred the sharpest display possible. Don't get me wrong I love CRT but when I'm playing on LCD I just go in raw and like it.

>>9100249
>What about Displayport 1.4?
No open source IP core exists for it... it's much more complicated than HDMI. The ones that do exist are nowhere near complete even for much older versions, are missing tons of critical features (like audio/control channels, 4:4:4, hotplug etc.) and haven't been updated in years.

Even if one did exist, whether HDMI or DP, it would still require an FPGA with suitable onboard transceivers, which no cheap part comes with (just the FPGAs themselves are several hundred dollars and have absurdly long lead times), and designing boards for those parts are more complex as well... even at a decent scale it would probably cost the end user thousands of dollars.

Xilinx charges north of $20k for either DP or HDMI cores, Intel/Altera's might be as low as $15k but that price was many years ago.

>>9099551
SGB core is a SNES core which emulates Super Game Boy cartridge and whatever is plugged into it. SGB support in most Game Boy emulators, including MiSTer's Gameboy core, means just adding a few features of SGB to GB emulation, not actual emulation of SGB. To have full emulation of SGB you need a SNES emulator.

>>9097108
Thank you very much sir. I wasn't able to find information on this anywhere.

>>9100103
Cope and seethe, paypig. MiSTer just werks whether you like it or not.

>>9101197
>paypig
>mister costs money
I emulate for free, retard

>>9101516
Pffft. I get paid by my boss to play on real hardware, loser!

Is it possible to utilize that extra memory of Dual RAM for less framerate drops in games and/or render them at a higher resolution? For example, PS1 games rendering in native 480p instead of native 240p/480i for less jagged 3D models?

>>9101534
And I get real hardware by paying to play with my boss, cocksucker!

>>9101616
>paying for entertainment
yikes!

>>9101620
Wrong, you dildo! I entertain to pay!

>>9101516
Stop being poor.

>>9101516
Yes I'm sure your computer was free

>>9101609
No

I want to emulate and play games on my 4K tv.
what do I need to do so? is there a wiki of some sort with the informations I am looking for?

>>9090253
Is there an handheld version of this?

>>9101810
Not yet but there is work being done on one.

>>9101609
yeah, but it has to be implemented

>"dude FPGA is so much better than emulation it's like perfect unlike emulation and so worth the money"
>go to any core's github
>there are open issues
i dont get it
so there are accuracy issues and such just like software emulation?

>>9102330
The cores are not perfect, but software emulation is far worse.

>>9102330
That's because MiSTer goes beyond perfection, dumdum! The cores are already accuracy-perfect, the open issues are about the beyond, some 4th dimension stuff that are probably too much for your little brain.

>>9102330
It's a different type of emulation. More akin to describing it as "hardware emulation" rather than software emulation running through layers of abstraction. That being said, the "cores" have the potential to be flawed just like how a hardware designer can leave flaws in his pcb layout. It's a moot point.

>>9102330
most of the open issues are from pixel-peeping autists who demand perfect accuracy. and, the fixes are lower level that address inaccuracies across any game that accesses that feature/quirk of the hardware, rather than per-game patches like software emulators do.

>>9102330
I don't see anyone claiming that FPGA is perfect, especially considering the systems being replicated are often reverse engineered, the same issue with software emulation.

FPGA's strength is it can create an accurately timed deterministic system, and drive the original interface peripherals identically to the original hardware.

>rather than per-game patches like software emulators do.

Some software emulators, but that approach is hardly the norm anymore. But even so the same thing is happening with MiSTer cores too, there’s still enough unknown hardware behaviour out there that makes fixing one thing fuck up another, software or hardware emulation doesn’t make a difference in those instances.

https://mobile.twitter.com/topapate/status/1541509657478447112?cxt=HHwWkICy_be3xeQqAAAA

I have real controllers for everything for the Atari to the Saturn/PS1.
With a MiSTer, is there a solution for using these? Or do I need to buy USB converters/USB versions for all of them?
Or give up and just use an Xbox controller (ew)

>>9104629
Yes rtfm

>>9102090
It needs 2 analog sticks and vibration, dualshock 1 style

>>9104629
You need to get them to interface with the MiSTer somehow. You can buy SNAC adapters for cheap on aliexpress for most platforms. You can also wire it up yourself if you know how to. USB adapters work too, yeah.

>>9102330
FPGA emulation is recreating hardware in another hardware platform. Software emulation is simulating hardware in software.

There's more abstraction involved in the second approach.

>>9103623
That's a real edge case for a consolidated arcade platform in development.

>>9104629
I have an atari adapter for joysticks and use retrobit megadrive controllers for everything else. I prefer having a consistant controller just because you get used to feel.

>>9092245
I am gonna shill the Mini-ITX Ironclad Plus
https://www.d3fmod.com/mini-itx-ironclad-plus/
It's kinda pricey but it's basically a motherboard that you attach your MiSTer to to put into a mini-ITX case of your choice.

>>9102505
Yeah, I'd like to see the MiSTer do things that aren't possible on original hardware, like no drops in framerate, real non-anamorphic widescreen support for every core, etc.

>>9105706
That's all emucuck bingbing wahoo.

>>9105840
The lack of self awareness required to mock someone for playing videogames on a videogame board of an anime website is enough to diagnose people with autism.

>>9105706
Then go play on an emulator you dumb faggot

>>9106424
What do you hope to accomplish by gatekeeping here?

>>9106428
I'm sick and tired of you stupid niggers posting the same stupid shit in every mister thread.

>>9106507
Nought else to post about

>emulating hardware in hardware
who is the spastics you pissters

>>9106428
Lol? What do I need to gatekeep for? MiSTer is already the patrician choice for high-IQ individuals. The dumdums are filtered by themselves, I don't need to do anything. If I wanted to do something, then I'd leave to my MiSTer, which can do everything every gamer ever wanted and much more. You can't find a single flaw, don't even try. If you ever find one, it will be patched in lightspeed.

>>9107747
There’s like tens of bugs with the neogeo that have been ignored for years lol

>>9108128
I've already told here: THIS IS THE "BEYOND". MiSTer is accuracy-perfect, there isn't a single thing wrong with it! But it also brings a lot of "beyond", things that are more than perfect, for high-IQ people who want even better than the og hardware. THAT'S what the bugs are about, it takes time to go beyond perfect, and only MiSTer can achieve it!

>another thread ruined by falseflagging samefags.
Anyway, waiting for Jotego's NGPC core.

>>9105154
Unironically seconding this. It's fairly nice to stick in my media center.

>>9108249
I've got my 75hz screen ready and waiting.

>>9108607
Wait that was the wonderswan I was thinking of. I have no interest in either of those systems and just wanted to reply to the first post written by a non bait poster in a while.

Imagine the world where people can live in peace without suffering caused by some psycho boomers.

>>9110523
When are we going to get another Saturn update? Srg320 isn’t dead, right?

>>9110535
He uploaded a lot of graphic logs related to Saturn to his github yesterday.

>>9110543
I have held off on playing Panzer Dragoon Saga for 15 years. When the Saturn Core comes it'll be time.

1. Dont put some bs in the thread title that incites and emboldens contrarian faggot trolls to shit up your thread.

2. Dont take the fucking bait of those that try to shit up the thread anyway.

This is basic shit, yet you mister fags get btfo'd in every one of your threads. Quit being fucking thin skinned faggots. Yes, you spent too much on your fpga set up, quit feeling like you have to justify it.

>>9110543
Does that mean a new release is imminent?

>>9110579
>you spent too much on your fpga set up
I'm sorry that you are poor.

>>9110579
Don't need to cope. Just buy a MiSTer and join us. I doubt you'll ever see retro gaming with the same eyes again.

what a shit forced meme this has been

nigga just get a wii + ps2 + CRT now u can play everything

>>9110695
>buy a Mister and join us
Can the shilling please stop. Janny do your fucking job and ban these shills for gods sake.

>>9110915
Buy a mister

>>9110960
Just use your phone.

>>9102385
Provide examples, faggot.

>>9090253
I have a decent 4:3 CRT with S-video, can I play PSX and Saturn if I were to aquire a Mister?

>>9110915
Wtf are you just saying? You enter a thread about MiSTer and now you're mad people here like it? Jannies should ban a stupid prick like you. Read the title next time, brainlet.

>>9111041
It doesn't have cores for those.

>>9111729
Is that a motherfucking PSX DVR reference?

>>9111041
Yes but you need a specific io board. I mentioned it earlier in the thread

Imagine being old enough to be nostalgic for vr yet unable to afford original hardware, plus a gaming PC, plus minis, plus a mister.

>>9111726
>people here like it
I'm sorry you were scammed into buying one.

>>9113795
>implying that MiSTer is a product and not a hobbyist project

Consoomer mindset.

>>9113795
I'd be scammed if someone convinced me to NOT buy a MiSTer. Seriously, what could any sane person demand that a MiSTer can't do? Retrogaming related, of course.

>>9114575
Well N64 and Dreamcast games emulate pretty badly, so I'd like to see FPGA cores for those.

>>9114601
Then wait a little? If MiSTer was software emulation crap, there should be some N64 and Dreamcast already... full of bugs and inaccuracies. As FPGA allows perfection, that's what you'll get, but things aren't done overnight. While you wait, just play the thousands of games already recreated and preserved by MiSTer. It's not like N64 and Dreamcast are the only game consoles of the Earth.

>>9114615
I was told that MiSTer can't handle N64 or higher because the DE10 Nano isn't fast enough or doesn't have enough logic elements. I don't have any reason to buy an FPGA board until there's a new target which is more capable.

>>9091861
>$300 is just 70 extra large cups of sugary caffienated dog piss
Analogy fits, just like how can brew the same shit at home for less and can emulate games for free.

>>9114623
Correct, that's the board fault. If it was only up to MiSTer, then we'd already have a pretty mature N64 and Dreamcast cores, and probably some decent 6th stuff do. MiSTer is potentially limitless, given enough time and powerful hardware. Unfortunately, dumbness still cause people to be attached to software emulation or original hardware, limiting the support MiSTer could've been receiving.

>>9114794
Okay, but you don't buy "a MiSTer", you buy the board and its peripherals. Which was the original point of >>9113795.

>>9114912
But how can you support MiSTer if you don't buy the board? It sucks, it's not optimal, but the project needs users so it can grow up. You'd pay a tiny fraction of what a leaking-capacitor original hardware would cost you.

>>9114971
Buying a DE10 isn't going to put any money in the hands of a core developer. This isn't a product and it doesn't exist for users to buy it.

If you are a middle-aged man with a beard who always wears a baseball cap indoors, there's now an unofficial Battle Garegga core for you.

>>9114975
You're clearly moving goalposts and dislike the MiSTer, I'm done arguing with you. Go play with infinite input lag or who knows what crazy stunt your emulator does. Come back here when you gain some more IQ points.

>>9115171

>>9114623
>only plays bingbingwahoo generation

Get out.

>>9091861
>Venti Cinnamon Dolce Lattes
Stop being gay.

>>9117483
Sir this is the MiSTer thread.

>>9117534
Kek

>>9094875
>native 4K vertical resolution on consoles like the Genesis/SNES
The SNES can do 4k? Why the fuck are ppl buying scalers then?

>>9090253
Being an owner since 2021, it sucks that there is still no proper solution for composite without the rainbow artifact. I regret buying the antonio villena adapter for my KV-9PT50 which only has composite. Apparently, the S-Video side does not produce the rainbowing. Mainly bought mine for Genesis but it's the worst core to play with this adapter.

>>9118626
Rainbows are souful.

>>9114623
Yeah and all N64 emulators suck so currently our only option is original system + flashcart. That's the only console I have hooked up these days, all the other ones have been replaced.

>>9118626
>composhit

Dude if you're such a retrogrouch just go original hardware.

>>9118626
How is that a MiSTer issue? Mister project doesn't claim to support composite or svideo.

I came back from a 5 year break from /vr/ and nothing has changed except autists like composite now and they used to shit on it.