/vr/ - Retro Games

good question, i don't think i can name one.
If we were talking remasters and not full blown remakes, ty the tasmanian tiger and kingdom hearts are the only franchises from 6th gen i can think of that got solid enough remasters to be better than the original.

>>9075009
all pokemon remakes are mid at best and always fail to actually capture the original experience, discuss

The SFC Dragon Quest 1-3 remakes
Halo 2: Anniversary
I don't "prefer" REmake to RE1 but it's undeniably brilliant.
Bionic Commando Rearmed

>>9075014
Jet Set Radio's remaster is superior to the original since you get camera control and it looks objectively better. I'm a JSR megafan and all you really lose are a few songs

While the pixel art is more timeless than the 3D presentation, Trials of Mana is my gold standard. Literally every single room, monster, NPC etc is accounted for - The one genuine fuckup is the lack of multiplayer; I guess modern Square-Enix didn't like the idea of not including some of their retardation in the final product. Really hope some autist mods it in.

>>9075015
actually was going to mention HG/SS being better than the original, with the caveat that the feel is different.
Given i was around 13 when they came out, they're nostalgic for me and the DS pokemon already had their own experience/feel.
>>9075019
i wanted to say that but sega raped the PC port with unfixable save bugs (nobody in this thread try to tell me "it works on my machine" because ive been through 3 machines in the time i owned it and none were 100% successful for fucks sake) so i eventually just bought a set of dreamcasts anyway.

Capturing the original experience is a fools errand - by definition any additions or changes, no matter how minute, will dilute it. This doesn't mean a remake can't be great on its own accord, but even remakes that are generally agreed to be good, like Resident Evil and Pokemon G/S, don't evoke the same "feeling" as the originals.

>>9075026
I haven't extensively played the PC version, but the 360, PS3 and XSX (just a port of 360 but whatever) versions are pretty much spot on. I have the Dreamcast versions besides De La of course but XSX loads faster and looks better

>>9075026
>>9075037
HGSS just does not look good graphically on any level to me. I don't know why people simp for Gen 4 Pokemon so much. The original Gen 2 is beautiful in its Game Boy simplicity. The music is all better in the original too. HGSS is probably the best Pokemon game to come out after Gen 2, but that's not saying much when every Pokemon game from Gen 2 was sending the series downhill

the only legitimately good remake is the FF Origins version of FF1.

I think Kirby Super Star Ultra is maybe the only remake I can think of that I will happily play over the original with basically no reservations about it.

I guess needing a second copy and another DS for co-op might be annoying but most of my friends had a copy of the game too so it didn't bother me while the game was new.

The best remake. It completes the game and adds in mechanics that were introduced into later entries.

>>9075009
i'm re-playing through perfect dark on gamepass now and the single player story is much more enjoyable with the enhanced graphics and controls on the xbox controller. it also makes me appreciate how great that game was when it was brand new

>>9075053
I need this done for FF2

>>9075016
>Halo 2: Anniversary
disgusting

>>9075060
its great. but there are many style downgrades

>>9075051

>>9075051
the artsyle in the remake is hidous and removed the prerendered 3D style. all the charm is lost and it no longer has a sense of depth

>>9075015
The original experience can never be caught (heh) again, especially the crazy pokemania hype. Now, any need Pokémon is a game of who can draw porn the quickest

>>9075254
Why does Kirby attract this kind of autism

>>9075254
I do prefer the original as well, but this reads like a shitpost.

>>9075009
REmake, I guess. I still think the original RE1 is worth playing.

Other than that...Lunar: Silver Star Story, maybe? Still undecided on that one.

>>9075298
That's not really a "remake" though.

>>9075009
Do fan projects count?
If yes, there are those decomps of Retro Engine Sonic games, they can safely be considered superior to the originals.

Pocky & Rocky Reshrined
Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition
Wild Guns Reloaded
Dragon Quest IV PS1
Destroy All Humans (fuck you)
Ducktales
Metroid Zero Mission

>>9075325
Reshrined is a sequel.

>>9075325
I like Zero Mission, but it is too different to be considered better.
Also it is way too easier.

I guess the Front Mission 1 remake for DS/PSX. Extra campaign, actually translated for the DS version. The new wanzer they added look a bit off compared to the originals tho. You can tell them apart.

Final fantasy I and metroid zero mission for gba, those 2 are vastly superior to the original and you can't convince me of the opposite.

>>9075009
resident evil 2 and 3

resident evil 1 remake on gamecube

althought controversial i prefer BOTH the ps1 lunar remakes over their sega cd originals. hate the psp and gba versions.

>>9075403
>It's that one guy who actually likes the GBA FFI
Okay Johnny.

>>9075040
>HGSS just does not look good graphically on any level to me
Troll post spotted.

>>9075513
I mean, it looks good, but it looks like Generation IV. Just like FR/LG look like Generation III. Just like OR/AS look like Generation VI. All these remakes do aesthetically is make the series feel even more samey.

>>9075009
Pokemon LeafGreen and FireRed over Pokemon Red/Blue/Green.
Pokemon SoulSilver/HeartGold over Pokemon Silver and Gold.
Crash Team Racing:Nitro-Fueled over Crash Team Racing (and Crash Nitro Kart).
Metroid: Zero Mission over Metroid.
Metroid: Samus Returns over Metroid 2: Return of Samus.

>>9075525
>All these remakes do aesthetically is make the series feel even more samey.
So...?

>>9075526
>Pokemon LeafGreen and FireRed over Pokemon Red/Blue/Green
please proceed to kill yourself

It's so fucking good that it makes the original game obsolete.

>>9075236
cherry picking, 95% of the time it looks better than OG xbox, unlike the remake of CE. It's genuinely really impressive how close they stuck to the style of Halo 2's graphics while adding better lighting and models.

>>9075254
>it's different therefor it's bad
>muh tiny details reeee
unironically autism

>>9075536
https://codiekitty.com/File/BCR/index.htm

>>9075009
The definitive opinions going from left to right top to bottom.
Remake is better
Original is better
Remake is better
Remake is better
Original is better
Remake is better

>>9075009
Super Mario Allstars and only because that was like 5 games in one.

>>9075546
>https://codiekitty.com/File/BCR/index.htm
stop linking tranny reviews

>>9075532
I'm not playing no black and white game where the mons are barely recognizable.

>>9075403
FF Dawn of Souls nerfs the difficulty of both games so that zoomers like (You) can complete it without thinking. The PS1 version is much better since it keeps the difficulty/game balance of the NES version while fixing the laundry list of bugs that it had.

>>9075546
Skimming over it, it's just him whining that he sucks at the controls, getting filtered by simple 3D puzzles, and crying about minor graphical differences that don't even matter. Yeah no fucking shit a PS3 game is gonna look different than an NES game you frothing mongoloid.

Also reading over his whines about the weapons....yeah it's clear he has no fucking clue what he was doing, since he cries that the laser weapon is useless. Hey retard, the game tells you that the laser is specifically for use against mechanical enemies, and using it on those, it does way more damage than the other weapons.

>>9075009
Does Wily Wars count?

>>9075559
your loss. the suicide recommendation still stands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJQopRuH1E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4sz2lnTpU

>>9075546
No offence but I don't give a fucking shit about anything this """woman""" has to say about anything. Why I keep seeing this shit linked whenever Rearmed is discussed? Did you write this? Your little drawings are gay too.

>>9075557
>they hated her because she was right

>>9075575
The gameboy advance soundfont truly is cancer

>>9075580
Because /v/ is contrarian and even when a game is pretty much universally agreed to be good, /v/ will find one mega autist who wrote a thesis on why it's bad, and keep linking it every time anyone mentions the game.

>>9075575
Thanks for posting the pic, you proved my point.
Also
>cries about the opening theme
Do you sit through the opening every time you open the game? Literally irrelevant. Who doesn't skip this?

>>9075592
>uhh it's skippable so you can't criticize it
the absolute state

>>9075581
>her

https://twitter.com/Codiekitty/status/1533483351889350656?cxt=HHwWgMC4pfu-g8gqAAAA

Does this look like a biological woman's arm to you?

>>9075590
>/v/

>>9075598
yes, posters from /v/ also post on /vr/, hence the contrarianism

>>9075592
It's not just the opening theme, the whole soundtrack was raped beyong belief. The remake graphics completely ruin the feel of Kanto, the entire map is engulfed in forest of pinetrees when it is supposed to be the most urban highly industrialized region

>>9075559
Play Yellow

>>9075598
/vr/ is pretty indistinguishable from /v/ these days, there's just less off-topic garbage

>>9075597
Yes. You ever see a Mediterranean chick?

>>9075609
Not him but the anime trash is disgusting. I encourage everyone to learn japanese to play japanese Red and Green(not the remakes, the gen 1 jap games) or look for a romhack that replaces the red and blue graphics for the original Red and Green ones

>>9075616
>a romhack that replaces the red and blue graphics for the original Red and Green ones
that exits?

>>9075596
It's irrelevant to the gameplay experience because everyone skips it. What are you gonna do next, criticize the games based on their game manuals?

>>9075605
>It's not just the opening theme, the whole soundtrack was raped beyong belief
I'll give you that.
>The remake graphics completely ruin the feel of Kanto, the entire map is engulfed in forest of pinetrees when it is supposed to be the most urban highly industrialized region
So it's worse because it's changed for the better...?

>>9075614
C O P E

>>9075276
Eternal Blue for sure, because the Sega version made overworld travel feel incredibly slow.

>>9075623
>So it's worse because it's changed for the better...?
How did it change for the better? The whole fucking theme of the game is about technology and its consequences, even having many pokemon like grimer, koffing, voltorb, magnemite, porygon, omanyte, kabuto, aerodactyl, MEWTWO to reflect this. Satoshi Tajiri is on record saying he devised pokemon out of his love for bug catching knowing the new generation of kids wont have a chance to experience it due to cities replacing forests. Kanto is literally based on the highly developed real life version of kanto in japan, with saffron in particular standing in for central tokyo, and yet they removed its roads, decreased the amount of buildings and cranked up the trees.

Another example: pewter city, it has a rock type gym leader, the fossil museum, it's near mt. moon and and corresponds to the typically mountainous gunma perfecture in japan. Pic related is how they depicted it in the original vs the remake. Which one would you say is more appropriately themed?

Linda Cube Kanzenban
Ninja Warriors Again Again
Uncharted Waters 2 fifth gen edition
Nier Replicant ver. AUTS

>>9075650
Gen3 was a hard reboot of the series. Tajiri was no longer directing and the anime was what people associated with how the Pokemon world looked, so the games were rebooted and altered to match it. Which means the average region in the Pokemon world is a perfect natural ecosystem of forests, deserts, mountains, and so on with towns respectfully scattered through them.

And it used to be that this was considered to be the same Earth that we knew in real life, just with Pokemon co-existing among normal animals and people. That steadily died off as more and more Pokemon with literal world-changing powers and lore kept overtaking the plot.

>>9075671
So thank you for admitting how sterile, sanitized, marketing-oriented and without an ounce of artistic integrity the remake is. I rest my case.

>>9075580
at least its not a video essay

>>9075597
What a self-own. If you actually knew a woman intimately, you'd know that they shave in places men don't.

>>9075009
What the fuck is the Game Boy Donkey Kong doing in that picture? I know that people who make these pictures get carried away easily like when they add a million inferior multiplats to their pretty lists of "recommended" games, but pretending that the SNES DKC is a remake of a GB game is too much even for them.

>>9075009
zero mission
am2r
frlg
hgss
castlevania: adventure rebirth
mario 64 ds

>>9076272
hopefully bait

>>9076669
how is that bait
those ones aren't even bad
like the new ones aren't good sure

No amount of nostalgia is going to persuade me into playing the original over the remaster. It's not a perfect game, it doesn't even achieve a stable 60 fps on pro (and I have standard ps4, it's sometimes a slideshow), but it's still miles better than the original that looks like it plays in unstable 15 frames.

>>9075247
>>9075254
when the complaints are that autistic you know it's a good remake

>>9075546
>Fuck this game and fuck everyone involved with it.
You couldn't write anything less generic as the final word?

I'll pick the 3DS version of Ocarina of Time over the original. The framerate, upgraded visuals, stereo 3D, and gyro aiming make it more than worth it over the original.

With that said, however, I would welcome a restoration hack that made the lighting and textures more like the originals, specifically in the water temple, the bottom of the well, the shadow temple, and the ganon fight.

>>9076920
>upgraded visuals
lol

>>9076790
it's not bad but it's not that good either
it's nice to not have lag though

>>9076690
Genwunners are snobby for shitty looking games that sore your eyes. No one can bear looking at these GB games.

You could ask them a simple question: if the first Pokemon games looked like FRLG, then some later games looked like RBY, would anyone think that's an improvement?

>>9075247
Here's the secret of KSSU's success: the reason it succeeded is because KSSU came at the tail end of a Kirby drought. Squeak Squad wasn't too special and the GameCube game was in development hell, not to mention Sakurai left HAL and Shimomura went MIA, and Kumazaki was years away from succeeding them. The future of the series was uncertain. In normal circumstances, Super Star would've been the one Kirby game that needed a remake the least, but HAL needed a surefire way to energize the fanbase and picked an easy win. Super Star wasn't on Virtual Console yet, remember. KSSU reeled in new fans while at the same time satisfying old fans looking to relive their childhood memories. Are those memories off when you directly compare them with the original ROM? Certainly, but most people are normies and won't bother. KSSU was hailed as the best Kirby game in years in a string of low-effort, barely-passing entries. If it came at any other time, it woud have been held to scrutiny exactly like NiDL has. But it came at the right time to hook people by the nostalgiaballs.

The best remake.

>>9076790
youre just admitting you dont have a counter argument. you probabyl also think the advanture remake is better. you lack soul

>>9075009
SM64DS, sorry not sorry

>>9077053
nice reading comprehension, numbskull

>>9077219
I liked this too. The controls were a bit tough to work on the thumb strap, but the additional stuff they added was stuff that I liked. I'll play both versions but treat them as somewhat unique from each other, neither is "superior" to me.

>>9075019
>all you really lose are a few songs
Yikes. Imagine purchasing something this corporate and soulless.

>>9077228
the fact that you did mention it doesn't magically make your hypothetical "restoration hack" any more legitimate so yeah, the visuals are most definitely not upgraded, sorry

>>9077219
dont make me post it

>>9077248
you mean this?

>>9077253
yea, but heres the latest version

When will remakers realize that what old games MIGHT need are gameplay improvements? Do not touch the fucking graphics nor the fucking music.

The Sierra games they remade in their SCI engine replace the originals for me

>>9077254
i like some of those revisions.

>>9077278
i pray that you find a soul someday soon

>>9077260
A lot of the time, the point of a remake is to make the game they WANTED to make, and not the game they were FORCED to make (by hardware limitations).
Most retro games look better to me than modern games, but it's probably not what the devs wanted to make.

>>9077278
They look out of place especially when you play the game. Jigsaw bowser comes to mind as the most jarring.

>>9077289
Dude, the majority of the time the remakes are done by people who had literally nothing to do with the original game

>>9077289
>hardware limitations
Biggest load of cope I see on this board. Metal Slug games and old fighting games are loaded with slowdown yet still remain the very best run n gun and fighters to this very day.

>>9077303
>proving his point by bringing up something with less hardware limitations than consoles
anon...

>>9077310
Not him, but I have one - the feel of Kokiri Forest in Ocarina of Time and the idea to add fairies to mark fade-in NPCs froma distance was totally due to N64 fog/drawdistance. Would a proper remake escew these details and potentially change up the story, or stick to it despite no longer being an issue?

>>9077310
Dreamcast and Saturn fighter are extremly close to the arcade and both still have slowdown.

>>9075009
Objectively Better:
>Final Fantasy 1/2 GBA
>Final Fantasy 3/4 DS
>Virtua Racing 32X
>Chrono Trigger DS
>Ace Attorney games DS
>Bionic Commando Rearmed
>Dragon Quest III GBC
Personally Prefer:
>Pokemon HeartGold
>Mega Man Wily Wars
>Zero Mission
>Castlevania ReBirth
>Castlevania Chronicles
>Tenchu San Portable

>>9077243
The meaningful graphics improvements come from the higher resolution models, especially characters and monsters, which are more accurate to the original promo illustrations. Textures are generally improved. The textures/lighting in some places would be better IMO if they were changed back to the V0 Gold cart version, but given what I mentioned before (including first post), plus QOL improvements like the easy-toggle iron boots and the deku tree speaking faster, I say that the package as a whole is a worthwhile improvement, which I prefer to play over the original. I acknowledged that I would still like those lighting/texture points to be reverted back to how they were before, but I don't consider it to be an inferior package overall, because the improvements more than make up for the downsides. If you are so focused on the textures and lighting being different in certain spots that you can't appreciate any of the other benefits that I mentioned, well then that's a problem for you, not for me. Live with the fact that I have a different opinion, or just seethe about it. I won't read your reply either way.

>>9077180
I still think the TurboGrafx-16 version is the best one, fixing several issues with the original game, and is probably closer to how the developers envisioned the game in the first place. And it has a pretty good PC recreation and a WIP widescreen source port.

>>9075009
Megaman Maverick Hunter X and Dracula X Chronicles. I love the low poly look of both of them, and their controls just feel so smoother to me than the originals. Genuinely bitter both of them have been trapped forever on the PSP, especially with DXC. Castlevania Requiem is literally just a port of DXC with the remake taken out.

>>9075528
not same anon, but each newer pokemon gens after the GBC and especially after the GBA looks like an entire gen behind. The more it goes, the cheaper it really feels
HGSS indeed doesn't look or feel terribly impressive in the slightest and for being the most profitable franchise on earth and most mainline games reaching double digit million sales, that's kinda shameful

>>9077254
>IT'S DIFFERENT SO IT'S BAD
cringe and autismpilled

>>9077370
>Objectively Better:
>>Final Fantasy 1/2 GBA
zoomer detected

>>9078602
I get what you're saying, but it was a 4th gen Pokemon game, so naturally it would stay in that style. I think it definitely sets itself apart from D/P in terms of looks still.

Most people praise HGSS for the amount of added content that also feels faithful to the original games. The only shit I don't really care for is forcing the legendary quests, but that's something that went out the window for Pokemon since gen III.

Other than enhanced ports, I can't think of any I /prefer/, but there are a few I like just as much as the original, mostly because the "remake" differs so greatly from the source material that it might as well be a different game entirely.

>>9077370
I forgot about the Ace Attorney games being remakes. Yeah, those /are/ better. And I recall that I also prefer DQ3SNES & GBC over the original, yes.

>>9075526
Wow, you're a faggot

>>9075526
unironically based and I say that as someone who grew with these games.

Serious Sam HD because I simply missed out on the originals entirely and I doubt they'd be the better experience now after playing the HD versions first.

Ys III oath absolutely wrecks the original, but the turbografx soundtrack reigns supreme.

>>9075060
Rare Replay Banjo games are also superior, shame they didn't do the same HD treatment for Conker

C&C Remastered, even though I like the redone graphics what pushes this into
>prefer to the original
is the fact that you can still play the original graphics, but now on modern displays with proper scaling.
All the behind the scenes clips and optional QoL features are just the cherry on top.
I'd actually be curious why anyone wouldn't prefer this, as it has the entire original game intact, but with more (optionally) on top. They even fucking did the installation sequence.

>>9075060
Oh, Perfect Dark! That would definitely be my choice as well, finally gave my LUX revolver a pimpin' tiger grip.
Frankly, I'm struggling naming one on my own, just because I simply study which version I will play before playing the game, but never care to actually remember which version I've played after all. But I'm not shy of picking a remake if it is a good one.

All-Stars SMB1, didn't play other NES counterparts to compare. I know the original is iconic, but I love 16-bit graphics, it's just so damn comfy. Love the backgrounds, especially Bowser's castle, and Toad scenes at the end of the each world are super fun.

The wrong brick physics is noticeable tho. Some people on this board were saying it's a TAS level difference, but that's bullshit, whenever I smash a brick on the run I hit the one in front of it and lose speed. Not a huge deal, however, and must be fixed in romhacks.

>>9075015
I consider fire red/leaf green to be miles above the OG. Same with heart gold and soul silver.
Now the gen 3 remakes? Fucking cancer, laziest thing I've played, they just ran with what they "built" for X and Y including the no trainer sprite bullshit.
Gen 4 is actually pretty good, they just added some QQL but left the game intact.

really enjoyed the secret of mana remake, maybe not more than the orig, but about equal. trick is to put original soundtrack on and turn of the voice acting. only thing I didnt like about it is they didnt keep that sweet sound when killing hornets

>>9075254
i have played neither but this looks like a useless remake. the color banding of the hills is the only thing that needed fixed

A good number of people on this site hate it and Nightdive in general (Rightfully so, fuck those cunts), but the Turok remasters are incredible. I spent hundreds of hours on the N64 versions and while they're fun, they run at a terrible framerate even for the system. Playing them at full speed is a fucking blast.

>>9080728
Nightdive were fine, for a while. Then they tried to make their engine run everything under the sun. Hopefully they learn from this Blade Runner fiasco
But for example their Doom 64 port is fantastic, albeit it was basically made years before by Kaiser

Remake culture needs to die

>>9075015
Daring today are we

>>9075614
LMFAO, no woman's arm around here looks as a hairy as that.
t. Moortugal bro

P.S. YWNBAW

>>9080775
I believe, Sénior Samefag.

>>9075236
It looks superior in almost every way? There's some lighting issues with the structure on the left (and arguably with the space craft), but that's it. Take off your rose tinted specs, window licker.

>>9075009
Sure. Brandish: The Dark Revenant. If they could give a similar treatment to Brandish 2 thru 4 I'd buy them.

>>9075590
botw is a shit game, sorry just like bloodbourne

>>9075671
the games were rebooted along with the anime series because they didn't want to deal with the fallout of them treating that one writer who threw a fit over Lugia at the time (who also was angry at the direction of the series too).

Pokémon Gen 1 & 2
Yakuza Kiwami 1 & 2

>>9075590
This. Being contrarian gives the feeling of being superior the "masses". Contrarians are unable to develop authentic tastes, as their tastes are dependent what others (don't) like.

>>9075254
>>9077254
Images like this always baffle me because they nitpick over the tiniest shit instead of blatant problems like "KSSU requires two game carts for multiplayer when the original only needed one" or "64DS' controls suck and the character switching breaks a lot of the natural flow of the original game"
Like Tall Tall Mountain getting a waterfall in its enterance portrait is not the biggest problem the game has by a fucking longshot