/vr/ - Retro Games

I agree.
I played TTS first and original later.
I liked both but TTS is just more fun to play
>bb-b-ut the game is broken!
as if the game was challenging, anyway. it's just a fun romp and TTS gives you more things to do, with better enemy AI and more options, you can fuck around in more creative ways.
>muh atmosphere
I dunno, both look and sound pretty good. I can understand people being more fond of the original V.A. or whatever, but those who say TTS sucks or is not good are just nostalgiafags or console warriors because this is only on Gamecube (and fags probably don't know how to emulate)

definitive bait thread. you fags needs to make it less obvious.

>>9073548
OP here. Bro, i legit love the Twin Snakes. I will make up my own mind on what version i like the most, im not baiting, im not a contrarian, i just really like Twin Snakes. Its a great remake.

Sorry you got filtered

It just feels right with Playstation controller

>>9073545
Very true, the controls are brilliant, it has the versaility of mgs2 combined with the plot of mgs1.

Its probably my favourite gamecube game and once i get a device powerful enough to emulate the GC, Twin Snakes will be my first play through

>>9073567
Based

Every single version posted here is wrong. Impressive

i like having more buttons to put items on
also using the bow is neat

>>9073580
Thats like, your opinion man

>>9073581
Those bow mechanics are 10/10.

dreamcast makes it look better and i like having the health display on the VMU

it does have some drawbacks compared to the original, but its improvements grossly outmatch any negatives.

DeJap Tales of Phantasia on the SNES.

im tired of pretending this is the worst version.

uncensored
has most bug fixes
uses original graphics
has most content

ill take the shitty load times and slowdown if it means im getting the most pure version of this game.

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>>9073537
Pic unrelated?

>>9073559
It's not a remake it's a retelling

>>9073545
The only criticism I've found valid after all these years is how colorless it is. Even the goddamn box is that drab grey.

>>9073580
Literally the point considering Twin Snake threads are made by a deranged autist as a repeated shitpost

You can all suck my spheres.

>>9073537
SOVL

>>9073530
The GC version is shit because MGS 1 is shit in general

>>9073763
wtf I didn't even know this was a thing

>>9073727
>Tails is literally broken and unusable when playing S&T in 2
>Redoing 2's special stage from scratch instead of just making the rings more visible from afar
>3's best music replaced
>Shit million collision glitches
I think it looks nice too, but until shit gets patched it's def not close to being the best

>>9073545
to me it just seems kind of unecessary, 1 really doesn't have the level design or amount of guard encounters to make much use of 2's mechanics, it's a boss rush game with a few gimmicks to break it up, yeah you can be slightly more creative dealing with the total of 9 guards you encounter in the first half of the game, cool.

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>>9073541
How is this compared to the DS version?

>>9073587
Fuck the bow, the fishing controls are the real mvp.

>>9073865
Superior in every way.

>>9073537
Appropriate response to OP trying to slip his past

>>9073841
I have both the Xbox version and the Xbone Rare Replay port of the N64 version. Is the Xbox version truly superior? I've heard mixed opinions. I can also outright buy the N64 cart I guess, if that's the best way to play.

inb4 the autistic anti-Saturn anon that nitpicks the speed shoes reloading the music track because it's on CD.

>>9074018
>implying that's the only sound-related problem with Sonic Jam
Kek.

>Some of the audio in Sonic Jam is different from the original Mega Drive versions, with most music tracks having a slight delay before playing (likely due to CD loading times). This is particularly noticeable when collecting Power Sneakers, as rather than speed up the music already playing, a different, faster version of the tune is swapped in (and subsequently swapped out), with the track restarting each time (it can also cause results screen music to start playing for a second time if an extra life is obtained). Also, many sound effects have been sampled at a lower quality (or seemingly replaced, as is the case with many explosions), while others are missing, such as the sound for transforming into Super Sonic. While players can still charge spin dashes, the pitch of spin noise no longer rises when doing so.


>b-but at least muh ice cap act 2 bgm plays with all the instruments.....
LMAOOO

>>9074016
No. It's censored and the multiplayer isn't as good.

>>9073881
Is it just a graphical upgrade?

>>9074036
>not even 10 minutes later and already replied.
You're obsessed.
I'd rather have a whole level that plays the music and SFX correctly rather than some nitpicks about speed shoes track having to load.

>>9073604
>ill take the shitty load times and slowdown if it means im getting the most pure version of this game.
but the super famicom versions don't have load times?

>>9074036
Anon, this thread is a safe-space for thoae with shit taste but you forgot to mention that the Sonic 2 Invincibility is the Sonic 1 one and the Sonic 3 "explode" sound effect sounds like the Saturn menu select sound.

>>9074047
1 act sounding a tad better than the Chad Drive version vs. the whole game's sound effects sounding like complete arse on Saturd.

Not too good of a trade-off, lad.

>>9074059
It sounds fine, I actually think the sound effects sound a bit better than on Mega Drive. At least better than on a Mega Drive 2 for sure.
The only real nitpick would be the fact it has to load the speed shoes track, but yeah it's a good tradeoff for a whole act having glitched out music the whole way through.

>>9073530
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>>9073530
More like definitively kill yourself you tasteless retard

>>9073530
Since we're posting obvious bait

>>9074053
>super famicom
ywnbj
>>9073616
Wily Tower has good music

>>9073537
fpbp

>>9073604
Here you go, friend: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3813/
Literally the same except no "sitty load times and slowdown", have fun.

>>9073545
It's worth it for the more accurate translation and removal of those stupid racist accents.

>>9075339
>racist
t. hapa manlet with weird facial hair growth

>>9073572
>removed the credits+theme

>>9073545
I agree it was more enjoyable to play MGS1 is too simplistic someone compared it to pac-man and they're dead on. The backtracking removal was also a really good addition for repeat playthoughs although maybe they should've made it a thing for 2nd playthoruygh only although a first time player most lke won't know about the heat and freeze pipes but they will find the PSG1-T quite easily.
Wish it had more unlockables collecting all dog tags and not getting anything is criminal desu a model swap with liquid or fuck even glasses from MGS2 would've been lazy but still cooler than nothing

>>9074056
Haha yeah my fellow anti-Saturn samefag, you also forgot that Jam removes the slowdown from Sonic 2 MP completely.

Anything that M2 (especially M2STG) gets their hands on

>>9075429
>anti-Saturn samefag
If it helps you sleep easier at night, don't click on spoilerpic.

>>9075339
Nice job trying to erase the existence of non-native speakers, you colonialist pig.

>How DARE they have accents consistent with their heritage?

>>9073779
Imagine Ninja Gaiden on NES, with no changes other than the awesome chiptunes are replaced by midis with the worst soundfont you've ever heard. That's Ninja Gaiden Trilogy. Terrible.
I was excited when I learned it exists, too, at first.

>>9075473
oh yeah I believe you

>>9074036
Forget the speed shoes (which I can forgive), Blue Spheres and Doomsday Zone don't speed up at all, which I find to be a crime. Also crashing debug crashes the whole disc unlike other compilations ("native ports" in action). The Sonic World thing alone is the single best extra any of the compilations ever had and is worth a playthrough at least once though.

>>9073530
cope

>>9074043
It has sharper graphics, all of the content from the DS version doesn't need wi-fi to unlock, has two soundtracks (NES and rearranged) and has auto battle for grinding. Iirc has a save point in the Crystal Tower, but I'm not so sure about that one

>>9076474
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>>9073541
Surely the PC port is the definitive version now? It can work at any resolution and everything.

>>9073572
>a device powerful enough to emulate the GC
What? Even mid-range phones can emulate GC. My CPU is ten years old and Dolphin runs full speed without a hitch.

>>9073562
On touchscreen you can't cheese by kiting (run for several seconds, shoot once, run again, repeat) as effective as on gamepad. It helped a lot with chatacter lvl 2 Taris runs, it even allows finishing the arena, no content skipped.

Any differences besides controls? I haven't finished Taris yet, but it seems like a direct port without improvements.

>>9076492
Maybe they don't have one.

>>9076492
not him but is there a good way to optimize the map on metroid prime
it's really laggy for me
i can't use vulkan either, which apparently helps

>>9076474
It’s literally just the iOS/Android version, right down to the goddamn UI.

>>9076490
It’s literally just the iOS/Android version, right down to the goddamn UI.

Actual good one here.

>>9073587
There is no way people can be retarded enough to not consider the DS port the definitive version of CT. SNES could be for no reason but nostalgia goggles and PS1 is just objectively inferior.

>>9077414
to be fair, if someone spent time playing through the lost sanctum, i could see why they would get the wrong impression

>>9077418
Or the Arena of the Ages.
Or most of the Dimensional Vortex.
Or, y'know what? Why don't we pretend we're all Japanese and aren't affected by the English retranslation (which Slattery admitted isn't his best work).
Then what?

>>9077414
Woolsey purists and people who dislike Chrono Cross are the main naysayers.

>>9077421
ehh the other stuff isn't as awful
i mean sure i don't wanna remember chrono cross exists or grind out monster skills myself but i'd rather do that for life than backtrack 10 times on the same shitty mountain

>>9075290
>best visuals
>best hubworld system
>more content than any other version
>proper dual analog support
How the fuck has Ubi not ported this to PC yet? It's the objective best version of the game, and they just keep regressing to the Dreamcast version.

DS CT's new content has literally nothing to do with why it's objectively the best version. The simple QoL changes make the UX so much better and the translation is objectively superior. The "downgrades" in graphics are barely relevant to anyone but the most autistic of fanboys.
>>9077437
Isn't the DC version considered the best?

>>9077445
well yeah i do know the good changes and i agree but i'm just saying that the lost sanctum is doodoo
which i guess everyone knows by now but still

>>9077414
I softlocked Slash in the DS version and I have no idea how. He just got stuck in the corner somehow and wouldn't attack me anymore. Oh, I took it - he was beating my ass up until then - but I've played the original versions enough times to know that would just not happen.
Another thing the DS version changes is the default party. If you never change your party, the lineup still rotates. In the DS version, for some reason, it's staticand I think Marle tends to be your third if you don't mess around with it.
Also - this is a personal gripe - but I'm not a fan of how the thin fonts that Square used in their handheld re-releases.
But honestly, you can't go wrong with either Nintendo version.

>>9073530
Baby's first GameCube game. It's not even a remake it's a retelling from a different perspective and fp view breaks it. It's not even cannon

>>9077445
>simple QoL changes
>"downgrades" in graphics
Que?
>translation is objectively superior
Eh, it still messes up a handful of times and sidesteps a couple lines. Picrel is an example of a nobrainer that should've been fixed but slipped through again - Melchior is actually trying to change the subject and NOT tell them the story, and the DS version is a bit worse here because it changes the character reactions to make less sense. Tom Slattery is a good translator, but he didn't have time to do everything he wanted with the script since his assignment was his first experience with the game and so he had to do research on the job. It is a bit better than Woolsey's overall, but not as much as most of Slattery's other projects. Given the recent popularity of relocalization hacks, I'm surprised the SNES version hasn't had a GBA script port last I checked.

>>9077445
>Isn't the DC version considered the best?
It is, because it was the best version available when the game was new. But the PS2 version is an improvement in every way.

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>>9077489
The Steam version is the DS version but with SNES graphics, it has all the improvements the DS/PS1 version has.
>in b4 it's messed up
nah, it got patched, it's perfect now.
I mean I liked the DS version but we have a superior version now

>>9077526
>The Steam version is the DS version but with SNES graphics
But... didn't the DS version always keep the same SNES graphics? The only visual thing that ever got changed between re-releases was the UI.

>>9077489
Woolsey's work on CT is considered so sacred that the hacks won't even do something as simple as change Masamune back to Granleon despite pushing for perfect Japanese accuracy. At this point, I'm just cracking open Temporal Flux and rewriting the text myself.

>>9077532
That was a weird change to begin with. Why change a perfectly serviceable name for a sword to something MORE Japanese? Some of the names for things, like Epoch, happened because of character limits but there's no such issue with Grandleon as far as I know.

>>9073530
Zelda Classic is a full recreation of NES Legend of Zelda plus more quests with their own gimmicks and a deceptively robust level editor. It's honestly hard to go back to official versions.

So is anyone giving serious answers or is everyone just shitposting and giving remakes people hate, I haven't gone through the whole thread

The 3rd Fire Emblem game for Super Famicom came with a full remake of the 1st game on the cart, and it is vastly superior to the original. I'd argue it's better than Shadow Dragon in a lot of ways too.
The DS remake of Mystery of the Emblem blows the SNES version out of the water.

>>9077407
Eh I prefer the DS version

>>9077526
It also took out the arena for no real reason.

>>9077424
I hate it because it was budget port job (and then complained that few bought it as an excuse not to develop Chrono Break). They could've put it on GBA. At least it got the anime cutscenes in it, forced as they are (yet still cool).

Assuming the demo didn't bamboozle us and we aren't all fucked later in the game, I think I can preemptively say the remake of Live-A-Live is the definitive version

>>9077956
Can't ride horses indoors, which is stupid. Also took out the first healer guy for no reason. Other than that, agree with you.

>>9073530
Whenever I think of this game I laugh at the thought of the retarded CODEC combination they had to use for the piece of shit nintendo dared to call a controller

>>9077956
>Fe3 b1 being best version of shadow dragon

Yes

>Fe12 being best version of war of heroes

Not a chance

It made SRW OG 1+2 on GBA obsolete in every way.

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>>9077526
>it's perfect now
The character select options are still playing at the wrong resolution and animation speed.

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>>9078428
I'm not exactly mourning the loss or anything, I'm just saying that it's gone

>>9078215
There isn't a single thing in OGs I can think of that OG1/2 did better better. It really is the perfect compilation remake.

>>9074963
I've actually never played this collection. What's wrong with it?

>>9079520
How is the DS version of FM1?

>>9079521
Translated, for starters. It's not a bad version by any means, the dual screen is a bit useless, it has all the content that's in the PSX version (and I think a few more wanzers). It's almost exactly the same to the PSX and SNES version otherwise. Great game.

>>9079535
Also has more story with the new campaign.

Specifically if played through the Gamecube's GBA player addon which enhances the colors.

When modded the japan-only PC version of RE3 btfo every other version

sorry but this is the best way to play Resident Evil. better than REmake, better than the directors cut

i agree with the earlier post that dog tags would have made all the extra mechanics in twin snakes worth it. MGS at it's core is a sandbox game. MGS3 is the only game with a sizable campaign. every other game is seriously short and could be rushed through or needlessly fucked around in with all the extra items. why else would items like the directional microphone and camera exist. Twin snakes needed more wacky easter egg items/mechanics

>>9079619
REmake is basically a different game I feel. The only real downside of DS is that it's a handheld game, you can emulate nowadays fine but still, would have been cool to have had it on a console.

Since last year.

>>9079619
Best way to play the original version of the game. I still love the remake though this is technically a remake in itself just with more stuff added to the original. Sad it never got ported.

The PC version of REmake to me fixes a lot of the little issues I had with its original GC release

>>9077551
Metroid Planets is pretty much the spiritual successor. These days I much prefer playing it over Zero Mission.

>>9073567
The PS3 remaster would be the definitive version.

>>9074439
Deadly Silence is better.

>>9080178
I thought it was just the same game but with a widescreen option?

>>9080679
why?

>>9080684
It's just prettier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-Ycd-Xh4Q

>>9080129
never

>>9076490
Bad PC ports based on steam reviews with constant ctashing etc, would not bother probably.

>>9075491
Mei Ling's accent was fucking absurd even for the time.
And the translation for MGS1 is pretty bad. Jeremy Blaustein is the farthest thing from a writer.

>>9080689
Theres a YouTube comment that disagrees with you

>>9082291
Jeremy Blaustein is a self-absorbed douche who never got over Kojima ghosting him, but I take "it's not a weak point. I prefer to think of it as a character flaw" over "it's not a weak point, it's a weakness."

>>9082291
>And the translation for MGS1 is pretty bad.
give one line that was worse

>>9073581
Is it really that much better? I own it but don't play Wii too often and I can't recall anything about them other than link is right handed on Wii.

>>9082897
Jim Houseman's speech was much better on the TTS translation. That's one thing I'll concede.

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>>9073545
Based
>>9073541
I played the mobile version, worked well especially since I was travelling a lot at the time
>>9073581
Motion controls are actually solid here but my autism says link is left handed
>>9073727
Are you retarded? When this game gets patched of the glitches and modded to have the og music it will be, but until then I'm not spending 50 bucks for a bunch of games I beat a ton of times.
>>9073737
This might be an unpopular opinion but I really don't care for the motion controls in prime. It's technically better but there's something I love about prime's odd control scheme.
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>>9079619
REmake is better and deadly silence is a better version of the original.
>>9075285
PC port with mods is best
>>9079556
Based

Anyway
>inb4 muh map

>>9073727
Your "Blue Spheres"?

>>9079619
I prefer director’s cut on the Vita. Assigning the knife to a button instead of taking up an inventory slot is probably the best thing about DS, but this game is trapped on the shitty low res DS/3DS screens. I’d love to see it ported to the Switch with some graphical improvements.

>>9079520
when is that getting translated

>>9076705
Goes in the trash for the crime of being european.

>>9080681
grow up

>>9073763
>>9074963

Links awakening DX

>>9079619
The REbirth patched PC version is the best now.
>Best quality for FMVs, character models, and backgrounds
>can import the improved Director's Cut backgrounds
>can import costumes from every version
>has the quick turn as an option
>completely uncensored
Only issue I guess would be unskippable in game cinemas, but they're like a minute long usually so who cares.

>>9082897
>Blaustien change Psycho Mantis saying "It feels nostalgic" when he helps Snake before he dies, seemingly because he didn't get the context of the scene with Psycho Mantis' backstory
I'll give you that it's not as bad as his SotN translation, but it is stunningly mediocre.
Glad that most new games come with options for original text and VAs now.

>>9073530
Every single Dragon Quest series remake is superior to its original version. No exceptions.

>>9084543
It's a better line

>>9084543
dumb reason to change it but the new one is the better line.

>>9076879
How is this better than the gba one?

>>9073727
If it doesn't have the original music it's disqualified from this thread.

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>>9083550
i like this port a lot, it's also easier than the nes version

OP is based.

Bully on Wii is the best version of the game. Motion controls work, less bugs than the 360 version with all of the same content.

Never played any other version but the motion controls were fun and accurate, and it had a really nice hybrid lock-on/Wii pointer aiming that was satisfying to pull off headshots with.

>>9073537
Based!

>>9073530
>Shit Taste: The Thread

>>9073541
Does anyone like the chibi deformed style?

>>9073572
same

I bought a pc to emulate GC

>>9089869
I did. That's not what killed the game though.

>>9079619
reminder that Deadly Silence fags are nothing more than annoying nintenbabbies
>>9084536
correct post

>>9084536
Just like RE3 PC, you can import all the best stuff from each version

>>9082905
No, whoever posted that is a wack job.