/vr/ - Retro Games

Every remake faggot should promptly do the world a favor and neck himself immediately.

Pointless remakes of basically perfect games are retarded. Give us good, new, RPGs more than once every 5-6 years.

remakes and remasters were a mistake

I kind of like the updated graphics for the sole reason that the original versions were often really hard to understand visually. There were tons of enemies that I had no idea wtf they actually were supposed to be back then. I still prefer the look of the originals, but it's nice to be able to say "oh, it was a hunchback dude with an old-fashioned pilot hat and goggles holding a wrench" rather than "it kind of looks like a goblin with a weird sword I guess".

>>9068868
Disagree and fuck off for being a douche. It's a great way to get people who normally wouldn't play an older game to try it.

>>9068714
remakes are awesome, and those are among the best
simple as

>>9068714
This looks like absolute dogshit and you have awful taste

>>9068714
they do look pretty good but those characters are ugly as fuck

>>9069286
Wait, did the Pixel Remaster really repeat the obvious WSC/GBA mistake of having the VampGirls hang from midair instead of the top of the screen like on SNES?

>>9069286

I am on the "remakes are lame unless they fundamentally rework the game into something truly different that also happens to be good" team, but it ain't all bad. These new monster drawings look nice. Love those amazing wrinkles in the vampire's dress.

>>9069313
Aw come on it doesn't have to be all girls, show us a damn Molbol or something

>>9069325
Why does kaeru have a neko-mouth now?

>>9069285
Glad the remaster gave the sexy snakelady a ass to die for despite not having any legs

NOT. FUCKING. RETRO.

>>9069348
Remakes are exempt, retrotard.

>>9069361
Can you point to that rule in the sticky?

>>9068990
How? By making it worse? You know how bad it feels to always recommend these old games and then they get shit ports and people are confused as to why they're held in such high regard? It sucks!

>>9068717
not very wholesome of you sir
i'm contacting my lawyer, Saul Goodman.

>>9069286
imagine her braps

I always enjoy threads like these, they remind me I have awful taste and should feel embarrassed for enjoying a game that I see no problem with. I wish someone could remaster ff2 into a more enjoyable experience.

How are the pixel remakes? Thinking about getting V since it’s the only FF game I like. How does one actually go about playing a JRPg on their phone though?

>>9069920
Not great, didn't bother with V or VI but I can tell you that, with the exception of III (the overdue 2D remake), the first four have been outdone by other re-releases.

>>9068714
If the enemies are so nice why are you fighting them?

>>9069928
Am I supposed to think the pixel remaster looks bad? Because it doesn’t. It looks great according to that picture at least

>>9069989
>loss of details that were in literally every previous version for no good reason
>saturated wash like everything GBA-onwards despite the screen no longer calling for it
>hodgepodge of GBA assets and redrawn/reshaded NES-style graphics leading to weird lack of artistic cohesion
>Pixel Remasters themselves all run in the same Unity engine and share more assets and effects with each other than the original games ever did, making them feel more samey than ever
>No toggle despite the very first trailer at least hinting at a music switch

>>9070028
Which version do you prefer the most then? PS1 looks too grimdark to me, iOS looks too….phonelike. I am used to the GBA version and the SNES version the most and the pixel remasters look like a slightly upscale version of that

>>9070048
These remade graphics were designed for WonderSwan Color and strike the right balance there. Mind, the mod community can get PR's act together as the simple font fix shows, but I'm sick of this trend of game companies churning out subpar re-releases and expecting the brunt of the restoration work to fall on dedicated fans doing it for free out of passion.

>>9069307
>when your gelding sword gets replaced with a scimitar

>>9069309
I still remember playing Dawn of Souls and the DS versions of 3 and 4. I remember being excited because all the games were getting big remakes and my two favorite games in the series were next.
FF5 and 6 DS could have been some good shit. Alas.

>>9069437
>You know how bad it feels to always recommend these old games and then they get shit ports and people are confused as to why they're held in such high regard? It sucks!
That is the faggiest zoomer sentiment I've ever seen on this board. Oh no! You got your feelings hurt anon? :[

>>9070246
Do DSfags finally know how WSfags feel?

>>9070048
FF1 never came out on SNES zoomer. You think the other versions are too dark because you played the GBA version on emulator and that version inceased the brightness to offset the lack of backlight on the GBA.

I'm most of the way through FF2 now, I think. Which is the best FF3 version to play? I did Dawn of Souls for 1 and 2, and I'm not sure it was the best choice.

>>9068714
The best remake of 4 is and always will be the DS one. Love that it was actually somewhat hard.

>>9070368
I really like the DS version but it adds some plot filler at the start of the game and stuff like trying to flesh out the four MCs as their own characters that don't all join the party right at the start so it might not be the 'authentic' version if you care about that sort of thing.

>>9070368
Unironically the only great Pixel Remaster, a modernized 2D III was totally worth it even if it still doesn't look as good as >>9070283

>>9070102
I don't think they expect fans to fix the remasters at all. If Rockstar's treatment of the GTA remasters is reflective of most publishers, they just wanted to pump out cheaply-made remasters for fans to pay full price for, and even then they don't expect most players to actually beat them. Just play for a tiny bit to relive that nostalgia, and then pick up the newest release.

>>9069304
Valvalis looks better when you can't make out her face and her hands look more like claws.

>>9069306
They are lazy cash grabs for tasteless plebs, what did you expect?

>>9070278
No he's right.
It's frustrating when people wind up with negative opinions of classics after being meme'd into playing soulless remakes by NPC consoomers.
>>9070523
It's a good remake but it's still disappointing compared to the original. A lot of the increased difficulty is lazily balanced. Flamedogs are a good example. In the OG game, their fire attack does hp-based damage (25% of your max health iirc). More importantly, it's only used by the AI script when the flamedog is the sole remaining enemy. The DS version didn't fuss with any of that complexity and just gave flamedogs a massively OP full-party fire damage attack with fully random AI. If you're lucky, flamedogs are a pushover. If you get surprised and two dogs both use their fire attack, you'll get wrecked and maybe even game-over'd (unless you did a lot of grinding). This is a mid-game enemy.

>>9068714
>IOS has the best versions of

>>9068868
No, just bad ones, and FF always gets bad ones.
>original localization is shit
>GBA remakes fix localization and ruin visual/audio quality
>phone versions LMAO
>Pixel Remasters still refuse to stick to the original visuals and music
If they just gave us modern translations of the games with the exact same visuals and audio as the SFC versions, they'd be perfect.
With or without remakes there's no way to get the definitive retro FF experience without reading moon, and even THEN you have bugs to deal with. Remakes are a good concept that Square just sucks at. Dragon Quest has the same problem.

>>9069723
imagine if you weren't mentally ill

>>9071305
>GBA remakes fix localization
Generally agreed, but V was overcorrected a tad.

>>9069709
>reddit-tier "wholesome" meme
>muh breakin bad reference
NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL SUMMER, VOLUME 18

>>9071504
>muh reddit
>muh summerfags
>muh "muh" posting
trying too hard to fit in

>>9071535
ok retard

>>9071343
>that one liner about the mother in law
made me chuckle

>>9071641
>>9071504
>>9068717
Cringe.

I'm not sure Square knows how to program these kind of games anymore if they're not outsourcing to some mobile developer.

>>9069317
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>>9069285
Why do so many of them have a cheeky expression in the remake?

>>9069338
Another cheeky one. He looks like he just dropped an absolutely stinking fart and is waiting for you to smell it.

>>9069709
Don't do that

>>9070547
How's the FF4 DS version?

>>9073905
Good but different from original. Some cool parts but some careless aspects too, like bland areas that are so zoomed in you can't see where you are going without the minimap, and some combat mechanics(eg no enemy rows)

>>9071343

>>9068717
>>9068868
I usually feel this way but IV on psp is basically exactly what I wanted: looks and plays essentially the same but with better resolution, widescreen and with some minor commonsense additions. Almost all of the changes were improvements

>>9073905
Surprisingly decent but not recommended for your first playthrough and like >>9073993 says it's careless in a few places like enemy AI and character handedness. Whatever you do though, for the love of God, just do NOT play the 3D version of The After Years.

>>9073905
It's very good and will kick your teeth in. If can only play one version of 4, I'd say it's your best bet.
Same with 3 though you're better off getting the PSP or steam version of that remake since it has a few extra classes. I don't think the extra bits are worth the effort that much but I know someone will throw a shitfit if I don't mention it.

>>9068717
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>>9068868
/thread/

>>9069928
Is there a translation of the WSC remakes?

>>9074090
Those sprites are unbelievably ugly

>>9075048
There are fully playable ones, but they're a bit unpolished in places.
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/733/
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/734/
These were made way back in 2002 and were planned to have more work done, but the authors stopped after the PlayStation ports were announced because they didn't want to tread on Square's toes. There's recently been an effort to make the WSC version of IV fully playable in English, but unlike I&II, that one's pretty bad and the basis for the GBA version. III just never got made despite getting screenshots, and the reasons speculate from the failure of the handheld, to losing the source code, to Square getting greedy and opting for a 3D remake in development. I don't know if I believe the former because they still could've resumed work on PS1 or GBA, and the latter has some truth to it since a PS2 remake was conceived at one point but plans fell through and it eventually became a DS game.

>>9073905

If you can tolerate looking at this trash then you are not capable of understanding any reasonable answer to that question. No matter how good or bad the mechanics are, these cruddy 3D chibi-trash graphics make the entire game unplayable. It is an ungame and there is no possible way for anyone to benefit from even trying it.

>>9075693
Sorry for your autism

>>9074181
Kind of torn on it, honestly. The tilesets and monster sprites are straight up upgrades, but the party sprites just look wrong.

>>9069306
No, that's just the bestiary page.

>>9069346
Wow, it's almost like one is trying to keep the original style of the game intact and the other isn't!

>>9076626
They're both chibi style.

>>9069346
That ass is too good for such a mediocre remake.

>>9069285
SOUL vs. soulless

>>9076747
Not an ass man?

>>9075065
Not just the sprites. The portraits that don't look anything like the in game graphics, too.

>>9076626
>original style of the game
What exactly is this referring to? Both sprites are the same design, same pose, same art style, same colors (more or less). One is just higher resolution.

>>9076913
Try again, honey.

>>9076921
Ah, so you're just typing out of your ass.

>>9073905
I love it but it's probably the least fair Final Fantasy game.
In addition to the obtuse parts of the original FF4 that were maintained, it adds in additional systems that are horribly unintuitive in ways that are difficult to understand at first.
Within the first few hours of the game you are given the ability to make decisions that will affect the permanent strength not just of the characters you have, but of characters you haven't even met yet.
Some of the most important things you can do for your success are accomplished by taking actions that seem completely illogical and pointless.
On top of all that, the difficultly was increased across the board from the original.
If you like your RPGs challenging and dig the low-poly-models/pixel-art-GUI aesthetic I think it's probably the best version to play. On the other hand if you're one of those people who can't play a Final Fantasy game without a Missables FAQ open on the other monitor you should stay far, far away.
It's controversial for a reason but it's also a pretty unique experience. I haven't played another RPG that's quite like it.

>>9078672
Good summary but the best version of FF4 is Free Enterprise

>>9078672
Dude I wasn't trying to jerk off rn

come on final fantasy 6 and chrono trigger and romancing saga 3 were such beautiful games, what is this shit

>>9076925
The fact that it's higher resolution in the first place changes the art style. It looks considerably different. Drastically so. To some people, it looks great, to others it looks terrible. If it were truly the same, there wouldn't be an issue, honey.

>changing from Milon, Kainazzo, Valvalis, and Rubicant for no reason

Fucking faggots.

>>9078718

That's more like FF4 2: The Lost Levels though. It doesn't tell the original story (or any clear story at all) and it doesn't even have to include all the original characters. It's great but it's not really FF4. It's post-game content for FF4.

You couldn't get me to play these boring-ass stone-age Final Fantasies no matter how high fidelity the graphics are.

At least FF1 is shorter and the music is still outstanding so that one is easier to digest

>>9071305
the anthology version of FFVI is definitive minus the load times.

FFIV PSP would be definitive if it had a toggle classic graphics mode. It does have a music toggle.