/vr/ - Retro Games

Romero.

>>9050173
Hideous Kojima. He'd make shitty movies instead of proper videogames and was one of the biggest factors for the heavy casualisation of videogames into being "cinematic experiences", great gameplay and innovative game design be damned.

>>9050186
What a /v/ level post. If you don't like cinematic games, don't play them and go play the kind of games you do like. Don't blame the innovator, blame the shitty knock offs made by people who don't know what they're doing.

>>9050173
didn't that guy say 2d games are crap and didn't know what streets of rage was so cancelled the saturn sequal which ended up becoming fighting force. Main other guy that is hated is the one that leeched a heap of money out of commodore and made them go bankrupt.

Whoever made sonic spinball I don't like because they did a sloppy job of a good game.

Dennis Dyack? I don't even remember what he did, but people fucking hated that guy for a few years.

>>9050173
Peter Molyneux

>>9050186
Kojima is good at doing what he does. He's a talented director. It's Kojima's tastes that are questionable. I mean, the outright fanboy worship of Hollywood, and all of the pseudo philosophical shit was cute when he was making smaller games, but past a certain point it becomes garish.

>>9050173
Derek Smart

Naka and rightfully so

>>9050173
> made a few choose your own adventure games on the vic20 and c64, in basic.
>One had a puzzle in it.
>One had alot of bad petscii art in it.
>I uploaded it to a local BBS in the late 80s and got my ass chewed out for sharing my retarded shit.
>A decade later I thought it would be funny to shit up usenet with it.
>Started to transcribe all the cringe.
>Old healed childhood scars begun to sting again.
>Embarrassed with my teen self, threw it all away.

>t. the least respected retro game developer

>>9050181
Undeservedly.

These days I'd say Randy Pitchford. Dunno if any of his transgressions count as /vr/, though.

There's also CliffyB but same deal (since Lawbreakers was his Waterloo and that's not /vr/).

>>9050186
MGS1 is so fucking interesting. It was an absolute tried and true video game that also on top offered you a really elaborate and interesting story. It's an absolute master piece. But the entire industry INCLUDING KOJIMA HIMSELF some fucking how took MGS' success the wrong way and started to make movie games.
Plus Kojima is so extremely obsessed with american culture it's unreal. How can you make one of the best vidya's ever and be completely shit ever since. Fucker literally just made one good game.

>>9050218
Careful, say his name two more times and he shows up like Beetlejuice and threatens to sue you

>>9050261
aww I used to try to do stuff too

>>9050280
I respect Romero but let’s not act like he’s done anything good after he left id

>>9050186
MGS is amazing and Thief is awful, and you'll have to live with that until the day you finally give up and take that swig of bleach.

>>9050284
Well, Kojima has always been like that. He was making adventure games that were closest thing he could make to American movies, even before MGS.
A movie game isn't even necessarily a bad thing, within it's own context. It's just that people got this idea in their heads that that was THE direction games were supposed to go in, rather than a sidestreet into a slightly different artistic medium altogether.
I think I miss adventure games being a properly defined genre. When we lost that is kind of when things went skewwy. Now shooters are basically adventure games without puzzles.

>>9050381
>A movie game isn't even necessarily a bad thing, within it's own context. It's just that people got this idea in their heads that that was THE direction games were supposed to go in, rather than a sidestreet into a slightly different artistic medium altogether.
yea i was actually trying to say exactly that. elaborate stories can be pretty cool and the first MGS would lose a great deal of it's charme if that part was missing. But if it gets extremely omnipresent in the market OR is the only thing the game has going for it then we got a problem in our hands.

>>9050381
This. "Narrative" games have always been a thing, but they were one side genre next to many.

>>9050335
Even so that doesn't make him a figure of ill repute, just someone who put their best days behind them.

Lack of respect would imply someone who acts like they're hot shit but then their output doesn't match their opinion of themselves.

>>9050173
Sakaguchi and it's not even close.

>>9050731
Even with Spirits Within, Square wasn’t the same without him.

>>9050218
for some reason i always thought he was cool looking

>>9050735
Ok Derek.

>>9050173
only correct answer

>>9050734
i think they are still doing a great job with making JRPG's that feature a unique gameplay mechanic. not everything worked well but it's always a fun little surprise what they come up with next.
if you miss turn-based then yea, they suck today in that regard

>>9050745
The latest game I’ve played from them is FFXII, and while decent it’s not as good as their 90s/early 2000s output.

>>9050751
XII was the last good FF game. XIII was so god damn bad that it killed the series for me.

>>9050280
Depends on if you consider anything after the first Borderlands game a transgression. I would.

>>9050731
Piss off, one baffling misstep into different industry doesn't diminish his achievement. Let the man enjoy his twilight years in Hawaii.

>>9050734
They really shouldn't let talents like Yasumi Matsuno go but Yoichi Wada really brought corporate culture into the company.

>>9050745
I'd put them in higher regards than Fatlus these days.

>>9050775
Lightning Returns was a guilty pleasure, they took pages from Majora's Mask and did it pretty well. And let's not discount XIV.

>>9050776
BL2 had terrible level scaling with the weapons and poor pacing overall.

>>9050787
The shit I took today had more personality than Lightning. She manages to be less interesting than silent protagonists.

>>9050779
>I'd put them in higher regards than Fatlus these days.
Fatlus budget weeb games are better than the AAA SE games and that's a sad fact. Persona is pretty fucked as a series though since it has become the cash cow for Fatlus and the pollution and rubbish of the spin-off series is slowly seeping into mainline SMT and non-SMT games. Compile Heart is probably the king of RPGs these days.

>makes thread about infamous devs
>starts with picture of business man who didn't develop shit
Nice.

>>9050805
i dunno man. i have to say, i enjoy comboing around in Lightning Returns, Dissidia Duodecim or even FFXV alot more than date-simming my way through the Persona games.
Not everyone is like me, i understand. But post-game and replayability wise Square games always had my back.

>>9050805
Honestly I’ve never gotten anything out of Altus games. Too much urban fantasy/high school bullshit for my tastes

>>9050173
Impossible to say. There are just so many. There are countless literal tards who were so shit only a handful of people have even heard of them.

>>9050824
>>9050829
So play a real Megaten game instead.

>>9050927
I don’t like urban fantasy.

>>9050929
Well you certainly aren't wanting for RPGs if you only like Tolkien-fantasy

>>9050961
I mean, those aren’t they only two types of fantasy out there, certainly not within JRPGs

>>9050976
you got your high fantasy, you got your low-fantasy, you got your final fantasy

>>9050173
LJN
989 studios
THQ
Time Warner Interactive

>>9051069
>LJN
Didn't develop shit, they commissioned other devs to do the dirty work. You could probably blame them for shitty quality assurance and bad direction, but they didn't really develop anything.

>>9050927
I spent ungodly amount of hours on SMT2 and Strange Journey, they just didn't give enough carrots to go along with 50 hours of stick. Waddling through corridors and collecting and fusing blasphemous Pokemons, it's just plain bore.

>>9050173
Nintendo.
Treasure.
Rare.
These 3 never made a single good game, yet poofters can't stop sucking their dick all day every day.

>>9050280
Randy has a /vr/ transgression in cutting off sales of Duke 3D Megaton so he could sell his own shit version.

>>9051875
>poofters

>>9050173
Inafune is the only correct answer.

>>9050742
Came here to post this.

>>9051786
SMT2 I understand, but SJ is so fucking good. But to each their own friend.

>>9050805
Their output in the past 5 years have been re-releasing old games and Persona spinoffs. Their days of PS2 and DS are way, way past.

>>9050173
If I recognize their name, they definitely shouldn't be in this thread.
And while I don't have any example off the top of my head, every few months I'll learn of some obscure, long defunct company that happened to make several games I enjoy, so my vote goes to all those developers that no one here will cite lol

>>9050284
While i wont say this about the rest of the industry, if youve ever played Death Stranding its really clear Kojima wishes he was a movie director and not a game director.

>>9052469
Conveniently ignoring SMT V I see

Myst was super popular in the 90's and Riven too but in the late 00's and early 10's it became very fashionable for game journalists to tell everyone how much they hate Myst. Cyan retroactively became the most hated game developers in the world. Then the journalists evolved from edgy contrarians into holier than thou sjw's and the industry evolved into having lots of commercial indie games and everyone started to love Cyan again.

>>9052489
They already released that? I don't follow Switch, but that's one game from their famous IP you (probably) like compared to their best years.

>>9050173
Does Paul Share count?
Not a developer though but owned a couple publishing labels. Midas Interactive and Phoenix Games.
Both were notorious for publishing absolute garbage though extremely rarely there was a decent release. Phoenix was started as an alternative label purely on the basis that the games sold under it were too garbage for even Midas, and that there was potential profit for releasing literally anything on a PS2 disc. And I do mean literally anything.

>>9052448
Titus aren't even that bad. They've been utterly memed on as a studio.

Peter Molyneux. It isn't that he's bad. Its that he's kept over selling the scope of every game he's worked on since Black and White. He's even tried it with Godus promising it was something of a Populous successor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Molydeux#Content probably the best thing related to him since Dungeon Keeper.

>>9052547
OP asked for the least respected not the worst so your point confirms my argument.

>>9052568
Fable 2 was the last good game he did, everything after that has been shit.
How appropriate that he does blockchain shit now.

>>9052469
Their 3DS output was great at least. New EO when though?

>>9050723
>acts like they're hot shit but then their output doesn't match their opinion of themselves
AKA Romero

Keiji Inafune.
Tommy Tallarico.

>>9050173
>puffer and sport coat
What is he thinking? He is way too old to not realize how hideous that looks. This isn't some everyday home-office shit either, he's clearly in a video trying to sell something, if not his own brand.
tl;dr don't make yourself come across as an idiot if you're trying to be taken seriously

>>9050173
not a single developer, but rts developers got the shaft in the 00s, after much success in the mid 90s through the early 00s

also Todd Howard might be exposed for a fraud soon.

>>9050218
I liked his games back in the day because they were absurd overambitious and practically broken. They were neat.

>>9050335
His games since weren't bad, but he'll never top doom and he knows it.
I lost a bit of respect for him over the dumb trans rights thing. Just cringe shit for a mental illness masquerading as an identity. Bothers me that it's bandwagon.

Cleve Blakemore

>>9052978
Cleve is the greatest shitposter that Australia has ever birthed, and Grimoire is a fuckton of fun.

>>9052494
I don't recall this reflecting on Cyan at the time. I do remember people bitching about Myst like 5 years after it was the best selling game ever.
Links?

>>9052813
>Tommy Tallarico
Obnoxious musicman developed games?

>>9053479
Yeah. And caught a bunch of hate for, as far as I can tell, no reason. Just random anonymous accusations.

>>9050927
i don't really understand why you replied to me. i can't think of any megaten game that allows me to combo around or do other trickeries only action RPG's allow me. I really like their stories and aesthetic but i also can't be asked to waste my time on turn-based anymore.

>>9053502
afaik, all he did was do music and was an overrated fraud who only got credit because he's vocal. He does the Amico shit now... unless it got canceled, the whole project is a complete lolcow project where everyone around it is a complete lolcow who can't do anything right.

Hideo Kojima for me.
His fame and notoriety are based off the hard work of more creative and talented people. He is the truest of frauds in the industry.

Yu Suzuki is pretty disrespected now. Hideo is divisive, but Yu Suzuki went from industry legend that everyone sucked the cock of, to just outright loathing over night because the Shenmue 3 Epic Games store incident, even his biggest felatiators became gigantic anti Suzuki attack force after that happened.

>>9053524
I was just taking the piss man, it's all good. No one should play anything they don't love when there's virtually infinite games to play.
>>9053502
He's the dumbass behind the Intellivision Amico, that is why people hate him in current year. He took everyone's money and mismanaged the project into the ground. Granted everyone who bought into that thing should have known better. He's just a mediocre musician who lucked into an industry.

>>9053808
oh, aight. then it was just me not understand the joke

>>9053620
I think they're weeks away from total collapse

>>9050173
Wisdom Tree

>>9053862
>Makes shitty ass games
>Can't be licensed because games are so shitty
>Get fucked
>Decide to do Christian games because Nintendo would never fight god
>Still exists
Pretty based, niggle wiggle.

>>9054016
Agreed, changing gears to get money out of gullible mid-western zealots was an unironically shrewd move.

>>9053640
idk if least respected, certainly the most overrated, specially by the most casual audiences

>>9053808
>He's the dumbass behind the Intellivision Amico, that is why people hate him in current year.
That's fair, I kinda forgot about that. I didnt assume anything would come out of it anyway though.
He did hit the industry at the right time for a meh musician.

>>9054069
He's gotten more divisive over the years, it is pretty interesting how most of /v/ sucked his dick for a decade and then Death Stranding happened, and pissed everyone off, because it wasn't MGS.
I didn't even expect it to be "MGS, again!" to begin with desu.

>>9053640
I will always respect him for MGS2. Gaming biggest troll.

>>9054136
>He did hit the industry at the right time for a meh musician.
Truly. Not nearly good enough to get for commercial fame, but enough general know-how to record some whatever redbook audio game soundtracks just as those games were being churned out and needed music.

>>9050280
>>9050776
>randy
most of his actual transgressions are basically outside of gaming in general like the embezzlement, not paying his employees, posting animal snuff on twitter and getting caught with CP.

i think the only gaming related transgression he did was holding duke nukem for ransom which worked about as well as you think given that the build was leaked.

>cliffy b
dude is basically the equivalent of that washed up rockstar you always see on reality shows and VH1 "remember the <decade here>" specials. or more accurately he's that kid who peaked in high school.

>>9053640
I’ve never gotten anything out of his games. They’re basically Oshii films with interactivity

>>9052952
At least we have the gas station memes.

>>9054141
most of the souring on kojima started with MGS5 because everyone was expecting it to be war crime simulator but what we go was BB's body double fucking around in africa while everything relating to the patriots was going on in the background.

the game was also unfinished but that was more konami's fault than kojima's.

I think that Atari should get a mention if only because of the sheer infamy E.T. and Pacman for the 2600 have.

>>9053640
>His fame and notoriety are based off the hard work of more creative and talented people
That's a lot of people in a lot of industries, especially in games, but also in Film, TV, etc. A bunch of nasty asocial nerds could invent time travel, and the good looking janitor with good public speaking skills who happened to be working there at the last week could take all the credit for discovering time travel.