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>>9045880
I thought the premise was that Ganon was unstoppable as is and that taking the Master Sword just created a potential future where he could be stopped, even if not in every possible timeline.

The only thing that could stop Ganon was the Master Sword.
It's a dilemma scenario.

>>9045880
It just would have taken him a bit longer, and if Link didn't have the sword by then, he would have been literally unstoppable.

OoT Link is the most tragic character in the series. A tree and a faggot owl cuck him into taking the sword with good intentions, only for him to realize ganon never could have entered the sacred realm without him removing it in the first place. he then has to make up for his own mistake by killing ganon and returning to the past to warn zelda, but in turn, all of his exploits are forgotten and he can never prove to anyone the struggle he went through to defeat ganon in the first place. worse still, the adult timeline he travels back from is still in ruin (albeit ganon-less), and even by going back to his childhood and warning zelda, he has no guarantee that things will turn out well. he's basically stuck in an endless loop of trying to undo his own mistake snd nobody will ever recognize him for it.

Daily reminder that the Zelda timeline is not real and that Nintendo made it up as the series went on.

>>9045957
I'm pretty sure that OoT doesn't work on splintered reality rules. It's just one young reality and the old reality from pulling the sword. If it was multiple, your doing stuff in the past wouldn't affect the stuff in the future, which clearly isn't the case.

Ganondorf would have still killed the Gorons and Jabu-Jabu without Link doing anything.
It's likely he would have eventually acquired the Spiritual Stones this way.

>>9045913
An interesting one.
If Link doesn't takes the Master Sword then Ganondorf eventually becomes unstoppable, so even when he reaches the age to take it, Ganondorf defeats him.
If he does he only saves the future timeline, in the past Ganondorf still exists. Of course that's depends on wheter Ganondorf remains in the past or if he also gets to the future when he enters the sacred realm.

>>9045880
No ganon was looking for master sword

>>9045880

link collected the spiritual stones and opened the door "early"

ganondorf was already plotting to get them (and would eventually), i think he just wanted to fuck with link by thanking him for opening the door

and even if the door was never opened, the king of thieves would still fuck hyrule up

>>9045980
obviously it isnt just those two realities, or the world would be no different when link went back to zelda after defeating ganon. there was links initial young timeline, the adult timeline, and then a new timeline created by going back to childhood and using his knowledge to inform zelda and try and change the way things happened, diverging from the adult timeline. either way, link had to go back to his childhood after everything that happened and he would have no proof of his exploits. a completely selfless act of heroism that he would never be remembered for. that's pretty sad

>>9045880
couldn't he have just waited a couple years to take the sword?

>>9045958
Based!

>>9045980
>I'm pretty sure that OoT doesn't work on splintered reality rules. It's just one young reality and the old reality from pulling the sword. If it was multiple, your doing stuff in the past wouldn't affect the stuff in the future, which clearly isn't the case.
official position of Nintendo is that there's three branches off of OoT;

1) Adult Link fails to defeat Ganon, Ganon is eventually sealed by the Seven Sages

2) Adult Link defeats Ganon and he's sealed by the Seven Sages

3) Child Link foils Ganon's plot before it even happens

see the linked page for more info; https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Zelda_Timeline

they died for link and zelda's stupidity

>>9046436
They all survive in the Child timeline.

>>9046436
Wasn't Rauru already dead?
Sad he didn't got his own dungeon.

>>9045910
This. Ganon would have taken the spirit stones by force and then the ocarina. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

>>9046478
yea, and he got turned into a boat 2000 years later

>>9045958
Hey wait you didnt remind me yesterday

>>9046485
That's not Rauru, that Daphness Nohanssen Hyrule and it was just a century or two.

>>9045880
Did you miss the part where Ganon staged a coup and apparently succeeded?

Now, to be sure, Ganon couldn't have taken the Triforce without Link's help, since even if he got his hands on all three spiritual stones and the Ocarina of Time, he still would have to know the Song of Time, which he wouldn't be able to learn unless he tortured it out of Zelda or some shit. And even IF he managed that, there's still the Master Sword acting as the final key, which he would never in a million years be able to touch, let alone pull out. So that right there would end his ambitions, unless he somehow finds another way into the Sacred Realm (kinda like how in ALttP's backstory he sort of just stumbled upon it). But he'd still rule Hyrule since evidently he manages to overthrow the king.

>>9046436
>died
What? They're not dead, they're just in the special seer hotel or whatever.

>>9045880
HUH?!
no , there is no timeline where navi never comes

>>9046380
>official position of Nintendo is that there's three branches off of OoT;
And the official position of Disney is that the Star Wars prequels and sequels are canon, despite ruining everything about the original films.

>>9045880
No because Ganondorf had already attacked and taken over the castle

>>9045958
Holy cope.
Adventure of Link was literally a direct sequel to the original Legend of Zelda. The plot is that the enemy is trying to revive Ganon. Same Link, same Hyrule but bigger (a piece of AoL's map references LoZ's map).
There has always been a timeline. The vast majority of the canon timeline makes sense, only the placement of the Capcom games is somewhat contrived (because they weren't made with any kind of continuity in mind and were full of random fanservice references).

>>9045958
>aol is a sequel to loz
>alttp is a prequel to loz and aol
>la is a sequel to alttp
>oot is a prequel to alttp
>mm is a sequel to oot
>ooa and oos are sequels to la

Seems like there's a timeline to me, champ

>>9046485
>confusing Rauru and the King
How?

>>9046615
>zelda timeline bad because star wars!
Not an argument, retard

OOT
>Link ignores fish pussy
>saves zelda and doesnt woo her
>probably end up with malon
BOTW
>link goes for fish pussy
>still trying to get zleda pussy on the side
>urbosa probably getting zelda pussy instead
why was OOT link so fucking retarded compared to his other iterations?

I don't even know what ganondorf *does* yet he somehow takes over everything? Wut. Did making a castle float really cause the dead to rise and the plants on the other side of the world to get big? Stupid ass game.

>>9046380
>Adult Link fails to defeat Ganon, Ganon is eventually sealed by the Seven Sages
Wouldn't that require him to have been killed before he got all the medallions and stormed Gains castle? all the Sages were imprisoned by Ganon, so therefore if he did kill Link in the final fight there would be no seven sages to seal him up.

>>9046468
Aren't Saria and the rest still sages and basically stuck in their sage dimension even in the child timeline?

>>9046789
Don't forget TP Link wins the Midnabowl.

>>9047343
What? No. None of the events of the adult timeline happen once Link gets back.

>>9045980
magic bean disproves the "past not affecting the future" premise

>>9046785
Well, strawman retard, he was pointing out that appeal to authority doesn't protect you from how stupid your explanation can sound.

>>9046789
Anon Zelda is Links half sister. The reason his mom(The Queen of Hyrule) put him in the lost woods was becuase she was having an affair and wanted to hide the baby from the King who was trying to have her and the baby killed. This is why Link and Zelda can communicate via telepathy. This is insider information tho. Also there was a Bible written for Zelda in the 90s same as Castelvania. Some of it has been subject to change but it is more or less the same storys that was written down in the 90s

>>9048645
>source:

>>9048646
What do you want? Me to take a picture of myself holding up a finger outside Nintendo? No one can look at the Bible except the director of each game and it isn't allowed to leave the Vault in Japan

>>9048652
then you wouldnt know about it in the first place. check mate faggot.

>>9048681
Yeah like people keep every secret to themselves

>>9048692
so... there's a source?

>>9048693
>Name drop the guy so I can have him fired

>>9048709
you wont need to worry about that because he doesnt exist

>>9048720
>Damage control

>>9048726
>no source

>>9045880
No.

The only way to stop Ganon was for Link to use the Master Sword, but Link was too young to wield it effectively. So he and the sword were locked away until a time came that this was no longer the case.
Had Link not taken the sword, Ganon's rise to power would be much the same. But he'd have the stones and the sword in his possession instead, making stopping him much more difficult.
Had Link remained in Hyrule, he'd no doubt have been outcast by the Kokiri once he showed signs of aging. and just about everywhere he could have gone was destroyed. There's a very real chance he'd have died before he had the chance to even try to go against Ganon.

Ganon was going to take over Hyrule either way, and the only thing that would have prevented any of it is if his actions had been delayed by seven years beforehand.

>>9048728
I get it that you don't want people to know you're franchise is built on the plagiarized idea of the King of Hyrule being cucked every X amount of years by his most couragous and decorated soldier, but I really don't think it is necessary. King Arthur isn't protected by copyright. It was written over a hundred years ago desu

>>9048745
Ganondorf cannot touch the Master Sword. Shit's like kryptonite for evil beings. You're correct on every other point, though. Link was no match for Ganondorf, at least as a kid.

>>9048751
i dont really care either way i just think youre kind of a retarded fag for making an unsubstantiated claim. oh well.

>>9048757
>Ganondorf cannot touch the Master Sword
No, but he can still guard it. With no way to access the Temple, no one could ever oppose him.

>>9048774
>backpeddling

>>9048784
Indeed, though he'd be seething eternally at not being able to get to the Sacred Realm.

>>9048789
>being gay and also a faggot

>>9048812
If I am so gay then why are YOU the one sucking MY cock?

Don't overthink Zelda stories. Even BotW isn't some masterclass storytelling. The lack of complex story is part of the charm because the games get rid of that pretentious moralfaggotry and boring exposition. It's little and to the point like in God of War or Gradius.

>>9048817
>penis rebuttal
you have failed

>>9048821
okay now its your turn whip out your cock

>>9048819
Oot's story and writing are good.

>GANON IS... LE BAD
do hyrulecucks really?

>>9049174
Ganondorf was cucked by Link when he went into his harem and every whore wanted to ride his dick.

>>9045958
People think just because certain games have sequels it means a whole timeline was thought out. Very clearly isn't the case at all

How the fuck does OoT split three ways?
Shouldn't anything that happens in the triumphant child timeline rewrite whatever happens in the adult timeline?
>but he created a new timeline so the adult one can co-exist
So there's now two Links in the child timeline?
You can't have it both ways, either Link goes back and rewrites the future or he goes back to where there's already a version of him, stopping himself from needing to go on his quest thus creating the new timeline.
Fucking christ I hate time travel.

so child link eventually marries malon or whatever and is ancestor of TP link, right?

>>9048839
My dad works at Nintendo

>>9052184
My personal theory is that the "hero fails" timeline only exists because nintendo wanted to guarantee the official timeline could have never been guess by anyone, at the expense of being fucking retarded.

A split timeline is basic shit when it comes to time travel plots, but the third split literally just relegates 1/3 of the series to being a "what if?" scenario completely unrelated to any time travel crap.

>>9045958
>daily reminder that fiction is not real
Whoa

>>9048645
This is bullshit. If you actually read Miyamoto-samas developer notes you would know that Zelda from the future is links mom and link is his own dad. They sent their baby into the past to become the hero of time. Then when link gets old enough he will marry Zelda and send their baby back in time to start the cycle anew.

>>9045880
Ganondorf would have still killed the Great Deku Tree, subjected the Gorons to famine, and likely killed Lord Jabu Jabu and Ruto, but he wouldn't have been able to acquire a Triforce piece. Zelda feared that Ganondorf could destroy Hyrule even without a Triforce piece, but Twilight Princess later implies that the Light Spirits would descend to help stop him, which is why he knew they existed and targeted them via Zant.

>>9046545
Ganon didn't conquer Hyrule Castle, the building is still standing and the guards still hold the place.

>>9048968
For what its worth I'll agree but some stuff doesn't make sense when you think about it. Mostly how link can learn a song in the future that he then teaches to the person who taught him it in the future.
Links a fucking time lord and the master swords nothing but a sonic screwdriver.

>>9052637
What? The light spirits had nothing to do with Ganondorf being stopped. The game itself is frustratingly vague about this (just like it is about a great many things), but Aonuma himself has spelled it out - OoT Link tattled on him, and as a result the castle was ready for his attack and he was blindsided and captured.

>>9045958
Well yeh, they finally published an "official" one so redditors would should up then immediately fused all 3 together for BOTW.

>>9046615
Disney has nothing to do with the prequels

>>9052649
>Mostly how link can learn a song in the future that he then teaches to the person who taught him it in the future.
Isn't that just a stable timeloop?

>>9053781
>immediately fused all 3 together for BOTW.
Historia came out about 5 years before botw.
Also
Who cares about botw?

>>9048597
>invoking appeal to authority fallacy by making an non-sequiter
There are less autistic ways to have a conversation.

>>9053781
>bitching about reddit while posting reddit headcanon
lol
lmao, even

>>9048968
It's one of the most horrible writings of any fantasy game.

>>9054081
Examples? Arguments? Reasoning?

>>9054094
if you played OOT you wouldn't require any of those questions to be answered. the product speaks for itself.

Garbage story, garbage game.

>>9054108
Lol, did you skimmed through the wikipedia page or something?

>>9054113
No played it on release, beat it. Never touched it again.
Tired of you zoomers coming in acting like this game is even average at best.

>>9053945
Its literally not possible for ruto and zora to both exist together if you follow the stupid historia book that they made as the ruto were made specifically for the flooding of hyrule which only happens in one timeline.
The truth is the timelines never mattered and Nintendo just does what they want per game while niggers like you try to retroactively apply some meaning to all of it.

>>9045958
I'm sure they reference autistic fan timelines these days to remind them of the details and try to make sure they don't contradict anything.

It's pretty funny (and creepy) when a hardcore fanbase knows more about a series than some of the actual creators.

>>9046491
I’m tired of that guy and his “daily” reminders. Wish he’d remind people daily more often.

>>9053945
The rito and zora both exist in BOTW despite WW outright stating all the zoras evolved into birds to keep hyrule hidden. If you follow the stupid historia timelines both cant exist at the same time as only timeline gets flooded and its WWs.
The secret is Nintendo doesnt give a shit about the timelines and just do whatever they think is cool at the moment. They only exist to calm raging autists like (You) down for a short time.
The only headcanon here is people like you who give a bunch of random ass reasons for why both might exist at the same time, none of which are officially backed in the games.

>>9054154
have you considered it's just a different type of rito