/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
94 PROTONS OF /vr/
See picture for details
https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
RC1: https://files.catbox.moe/my5miq.zip

400 MINUTES OF /vr/
Idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/400minvr

VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ (Latest)

=== NEWS ===
[06-21] Anon shares a Plutonia WAD
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129897

[06-20] Hands of Necromancy released on Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1898610

[06-18] Woof! 10.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/post/2509207

[06-16] Altars of Madness released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129616

[06-15] Shamus Young passed away from cardiac arrest
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129781

[06-11] The Force Engine 1.0 beta is almost done with hardware rendering
https://twitter.com/DF21net/status/1535642950939574277

[06-11] Pico Doom updated to 1.5
https://youtu.be/WORdFS8nU9k

[06-10] Duke Nukem movie in the works
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/duke-nukem-movie-1235162997

[06-09] SLOOTER is now in early access
https://buxomdev.itch.io/slooter

[06-08] La Tailor Girl updates to 1.83
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1221327#p1221327

[06-07] GZDoom 4.8.0 Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=75532

[06-06] Turok 2+ mod released, extensive revamp for Turok 2
https://youtu.be/snx0QopGr-8

[06-04] Quakewulf releases a map for Quake 2
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/back4good.zip

[06-03] RAMP 2022 announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129564

[06-03] Action Quake is now free on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1978800/AQtion/

[06-02] JPCP2 has been announced
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm40533066

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

GOG chads Doom 64 is available now

>>9033965
blessed post. If you want more of an "official" challenge I recommend taking up pistol starting maps. It really gives you an appreciation for a maps progression and doesnt fuck up the intended pacing like continuous runs can. Sandy Peterson said it himself! [paraphrased]

>>9034072
Idea for a map name
>I Actually Hate Pistol-Starting The Gantlet

Apologies to The Gantlet, I actually meant The Focus but am rarted

>>9033965
Congrats, buddy.
Doom isn't *that* hard, first three episodes are doable keyboard only on UV.
It gets spicy when you enter the non-commercial wads. Then you will start cursing and crying.

So I found a rare armor in DRLA that has no defensive stats whatsoever but, well...
any idea who Geo is?

>>9034059
512 Linedefs unofficial update to MAP 11 Screen Dream: https://files.catbox.moe/ft1wp7.wad

>Fixed missing texture in the last room
>Used extra linedefs and changed lighting to polish up the map visually
>Swapped SSG and Plasma Gun
>Added a shell box in the Pain Elemental corridor
>Added some health and cells in the last room, lowered the lava damage
>The rock platforms can now be lowered like lifts by interacting with the walls which don't make them go up when walked over
>The unused reusable switches to raise the platforms now work, you can raise the platforms above the ceiling but it doesn't seem to break the map or have any bad effect
>The wire fence now has the impassable tag

Of course I will change back requested things if the map author or the project lead wish to

>>9034059
>[06-21] Anon shares a Plutonia WAD
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129897
Congrats guys. Oh wow, cockblock on suicide watch
just kidding chop, pic related, I love ya mate and I hope I get my map in for 94prots

>[06-21] Anon shares a Plutonia WAD
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129897
Congrats guys. Oh wow, cockblock on suicide watch
just kidding chop, pic related, I love ya mate and I hope I get my map in for 94prots and the wad comes out great

Here's the Golden Souls 3 vid that just finished airing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfVpFL56hGs

>>9034113
>Used extra linedefs and changed lighting to polish up the map visually
>Swapped SSG and Plasma Gun
>Added a shell box in the Pain Elemental corridor
>Added some health and cells in the last room, lowered the lava damage
You went too far in a few places. Bugfixes are one thing, but the attempt at visual and gameplay changes make it feel like a loaded bill. (I'm not the project lead, this is just my two cents after playing through it.)
I'll grant you that the extra ammo alleviates the need for infighting/strict ammo management, but overall the map felt much easier with these changes, and more importantly less frustrating. But that comes with the disclaimer that it feels noticeably different from the original, in my opinion (the "blood falls -> lava falls" stood out the most, visually.)

>>9034113
>>9034208
God dammit, in my rush to criticize I forgot to thank you for the fixes. Even if I don't agree with them entirely, I appreciate the effort you've taken.

Should I buy Heretic + Hexen bundle with Quake or should i just pirat em all and get turok 1 and 2 as well?

>>9033965
>i thought this game would be difficult
The original three episodes really are pretty mild, lots of people were playing on underpowered machine and didn't even have the memory to run mouse drivers at the same time as Doom, so to many it was a keyboard only game.

If you've got Ultimate Doom, then the fourth episode is going to be tough as nails for the first few levels, otherwise Doom 2 escalates its difficulty, but more slowly. Final Doom is where it gets real spicy, one half of it being designed by two brothers who wanted to make a set of levels which on UV would kick their asses, something to be a really serious challenge for veteran players, who already bested the original games on UV.

94 Protons Of /vr/ - The Anchor Post
See pic in news post for rules.

MegaUpload: https://mega.nz/folder/z9ZVEAJJ#t4IEL6VGFY7tBBMIEOKXUA
>Proton Pack 1.6 (main assets)
>PROTDECO10 (patch for testing your levels in GzDoom)
>94SplatDefault, 94SplatNC-HUD (Updated)
>A collection of MIDIs for mappers to use.
Please stake a claim on a MIDI you've settled on so that we don't get doubles, also, you are not restricted to the MIDIs in the folder, feel free to use one you sourced/made yourself.
If the assets update, I'll reply to this post stating so.

Slots:
>E1 Boss Level, x2 Paratamizers as a finale: Unclaimed
>E2 Boss Level: Claimed
>Hunted clone: Claimed
>Hunted clone 2, if it's different enough from the first one: Unclaimed
>Optional Dead Simple clone: Unclaimed
>Large city battle level akin to Odyssey Of Noises: Unclaimed

Minimum Goal: 15 Maps Total
Current Submissions: 5 Maps
Submissions In Progress: 5?

To Do:
>probably alter Status Bar digits so they actually fit
>touch up Status Bar
>M_DOOM (something styled after Plutonium in the periodic table)
>Interpics (optionally one per episode)
>E2 Boss
>E3 Boss
>Chainsaw
>Fist
>Super Shotgun
>Plasma
>BFG9000

Reply to this post with submissions or questions.
Please repost this at the start of new threads, adding up the submission number or version numbers.

>>9034059
see>>9034069

>>9034220
If it’s “buy Hexen, Heretic, and Quake” or “pirate Hexen, Heretic, Quake, buy both Turoks” then I’d go with the second option. They’re all on gog so I think they’re all piratable if you want to not spend money yet.

>>9034251
yep

>>9034161
i like the whole crossover aspect of it
it and the collectathon premise is like something i'd love to do in a game of my own

you faggots needs to take this shit to /vg/ and stay there

How come nobody told me about Shadow Warrior's "Twin Dragon" expansion pack being actually good? Or at least it's feeling like a lot better and consistent in quality than SW base game.

>>9034113
>>9034208
https://files.catbox.moe/v9hyjy.wad
Here's a less intrusive version which only adds the bugfixes and the changes to the last room other than the extra health.

>>9034302
how come there's still no deadly kiss?

Alright, I'm a bit late for the 512 party:

>Love the map editor theme. I thought at first that the status bar was a bit overdone, but with everything it fits very well
>What I still don't quite like is the nudoom rev as titlepic/bosspic. It just doesn't feel right to me.

>>9034302
>How come nobody told me about Shadow Warrior's "Twin Dragon" expansion pack being actually good?
We were all secretly waiting for you to find out yourself, that’s why I and the other anons kept ourselves from talking about it.
But seriously it’s just more SW of course it’s good, people only talk about disliking the sprite changes for the other expansion but I think that’s easily fixed.

>>9034329
>What I still don't quite like is the nudoom rev as titlepic/bosspic. It just doesn't feel right to me.
Its not that bad honestly, its pretty faithful to the classic and the linedef twist just makes it sit well

>>9034374
I'd agree with the other guy in that it "doesn't feel right to me", but I just think the linedef side needs a bit more polishing (e.g. more definition on the shoulder cannon). I actually quite like how juxtaposing a nuDoom 3D Rev with a lineart one represents the project's limitation.

>>9034373
Well my question was somewhat rhetorical, but kind of weird I never even heard of "Twin dragon" until very recently, I go play it and it's so far really good. Only heard of Wanton Destruction before (but not played yet)

>>9034323
The time for it passed I guess. Which is a shame, I would love to see more late 90's shameless and reasonably unrestrained fun like SW.

Which retro FPS has your favorite "style" in terms of themes, style, aesthetic weapons etc?

>>9034460
Blood.

>>9034460
UT99

Why does everybody suck off Ribbiks but forget about his partners in crime?
Sunlust and Italo DOOM are only HALF-made by Ribbiks, he was helped by dannebubinga.
Wormwood 1-3 and Jump.wad were made with Grain of Salt.
Why do dannebubinga and Grain of Salt never get credit?

>>9034496
Something something cult of personality
Something something dicksuck circlejerks
Something something propaganda

>>9034506
Could have just said the Doom community.

>Like Halo CE
>Remember Custom Edition exists so I check out some single player maps
>Only one short decent single player campaign that doesn't just reuse the original maps
Why is the amount of good single player maps for Halo CE so pitiful, it seems even Halo 3 (not retro sorry) has already got more quality single player maps despite being only recently ported to PC.

God dammit john, anything but Dork Places
https://twitter.com/romero/status/1539734611713998848

>>9034534
i remember when sandy posted a pic from like a modded version of doom 1 too

>>9034534
Why'd he tag Tom Hall? Dude definitely didn't work on Quake.

>>9034534
to be fair quake is kinda ugly if you aren't in love with low res textures

>>9034539
maybe he's pretending he was there instead of tim willits
karma against a lying, revisionist fuck

>>9034540
The issue with Quake high res textures is that all packs uses rygel's ugly textures instead of the ol QRP.

>>9034547
I guess the Dopefish was in Quake so there's more reason to credit Tom for that than Tim for the credit stealing shit about DM maps.

>>9034460
SS2 for sure
Reminds me of TNG but with darker green/teal color schemes and if the Borg were designed by David Cronenberg

Map23 of 400 minutes of /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-dztefDP6k
Fuck off, map. Half of the video is the outtakes. If I were the Dean of Doom, I'd give this map the dunce cap.

>>9034704
>Eggplant talking angrily in any circumstance
Oh boy, this one must be a real fuckup

>>9034704
I can see some of the flaws in this map being a product of the time restriction. (Limited ability to playtest, for example.)

>>9034704
This ended up being one of the easiest maps playing through in HD, funny enough. I beat it first try and only had to do a second try because I'd left my backpack behind a point of no return.

>>9034714
Yeah, that's understandable, but it still was an incredibly frustrating experience.

>>9034704
Jesus all those outtakes. Good taste in midi though.

>>9034732
Why is it always The Docks?
Please use The Cathedral more.

TOO FUCKING SLOW

I got my loadouts all done.

Odd Start, literally just an Oddball.

Then there's The Odd Fellow, might add more, dunno. Maybe a choke 0-1 Slayer and some blues.
1x Oddball
1x Elite Soldier Kit
1x Backpack

The Jayne, which is basically just the Vulcanette loadout substituted with Vera + an Oddball.
1x Vera
1x Oddball
7x 4mm Mags
1x Battery
1x Elite Soldier Kit
1x Backpack

Oh, then there's the Zerk Junkie, which I replaced Naturist with.
2x Berserk packs
2x Blue Potions
1x Battle Armor

>>9034718
being stuck point blank with a revenant doesn't sound as bad when they're downgraded to imp tier and die in 2 shells
I still don't know how the secret room works and either get there on accident or not at all

>>9034747
>skrillex haircut
More like EDMguy lol

>>9034057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxOHIVIxC4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doqLYNdYenY
The last episodes of my 512vr adventure. Things went faster than I had expected honestly.

>>9034747
Have you tried the pump variant of the Oddball, by any chance?

>>9034704
If this map was a bitch and a half, I can only imagine how frustrating Shittlecock would have been if it was in this set.

>>9034747
>I replaced Naturist
HERESY!
It's not like it's hard to restore.
Pic related is my peppergrinder Medic loadout for co-op.
The 2x ??? is a double-stocked trauma kit, which is commented out since it hasn't been updated for the latest HD Master.

>>9034795
Actually I added an emergency zerk to this, but that was done on a different .ini

Those hellknight tips paid off like crazy, this was horrifying

>>9034823
he's starting to believe

>>9034836
>>9034836

>>9034836
So just from watching that I can presume that the fireballs enter a heat seeking state and then jump into a non-seeking state? I have been thinking of doing that to intercept myself when I introduce the hard skill to my rpg mod. Have more monsters that can see through the blur sphere including shooting where you're going to be instead of where you're at. Right now the way it is hitscanners will kill you in my mod (like guns are supposed to) so the blur sphere is necessary for survival but then that makes fireballs harder since they're easy to deal with without the blur sphere. However, I have been contemplating on making the AI for the next batch of monsters in my mod more advanced and I was thinking have their custom fireballs first enter a seeking state (like the revenant missile) and then changing into a different state where it isn't seeking anymore. I haven't played your mod but I wonder if that's what would happen if I did that.

>>9034852
The projectile doesn't seek at all, the enemy does actual math to determine how to lead their shots based on your speed and direction.

>>9034852
Actually in HDest monster AI is completely rewritten to (somewhat)intelligently lead you. Some projectiles are homing, but for the most part it's the monster AI itself. It even works in three dimensions, I've gotten a hostile marine to bonk his rocket grenade off the ceiling by standing up from a crouch the moment he fired it.

>>9030869
It's taken them like a year and a half to make the DLC episode.

>>9034756
EDMGal*

>>9034759
I haven't, but I'll replace one and try it out.

>>9034795
I like the name. Is that the Hideous Helmet? I tried it but I got some error with HandleDamage or something and it didn't work.

>>9034889
The loadout code for it is Odd Pump, I forget if the ctrl+F search thing inside HD lists loadout code variants like that.

>>9034889
Yeah, Hideous Helmet's latest version target's HD's latest master unless it falls behind. You can try older versions closer to the date of your HD version.
The sprite for it resembles the helmet from the player sprites of your IWAD (Doom/Freedoom) by default. I just have a replacement for it in my personal resprite.
The stance indicator is a different addon, and I've tweaked it and its settings to hell to give it that placement/appearance, plus I use a blank mugshot.

>>9034891
Okay, the pump is a little bit weird feeling. 8 pumps from empty to full, vs 10 cranks, but it's slightly more comfortable to alternate mouse clicks.

>>9034910
It was mainly introduced as a compromise if you play with online co-op and have any sort of input delay.
Though nowadays I just use the pump variant because I'm lazy.

>>9034823
Sweet sidestepping.

Hey Enraged Eggplant
Sort your videos into playlists man

>>9034550
The bigger issue is that the level geometry doesn't even come close to matching the detail of the textures. Quake 1 could probably handle double-res textures (on par with Quake 3) and look okay, but 4x+ upscales with parallax and bump maps looks fucking retarded with the poor texture alignment and minimal use of trim pieces in the original game.

>>9034939
They already are sorted, what are you talking about?

Nugget Doom is my fav source port now. It's basically Crispy with full boom support (including mbf21).

>>9034909
Ahh, got it. I was trying the master, but I needed the one from two weeks ago, since I think I got HD's master a week ago. Not a fan of the fact that it's hiding my armor condition unless I'm wearing one and that's the only option I can't change.

>>9034916
I think I'm gonna stick with the crank. It has a bit more charm. And it reminds me of the crank rifles from Futurama.

>>9034939

>>9034948
Wtf they really are
I am retarded
For some reason I skipped the first lines of playlists and wasn't seeing the newer ones despite having seen the new videos

>>9034950
Would you believe that gun didn't even cross my mind when I was initially designing the Oddball? I just wanted some kinda fun infinite ammo fallback weapon with a weird reload and other quirks to make sure it wasn't a complete game breaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJ8EPE2JLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mIvG5liWc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1U-8gwHHxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkIbf7pP3VE

So I decided to start a new character just to demonstrate the stark difference between the one I was using in 512vr and a brand new character. It appears like I got too used to the hp/speed of my main and had to retreat a lot as a new character but I only do that because without an ankh you drop everything upon death and everything has a chance of being outright destroyed upon death. Stacks of items get halved that survive that script call unless they were already at one.

>>9034760
How many outright bad maps do we have in 400 minutes? I count 2, the other being map28.

>>9034975
I wouldn't call either of those two "outright bad". At most I'd call Dash Tower the only "broken" map because of crusher desync.
Other than that, yeah I'd say the worst maps in either 400mins or 512 Lines are "deeply flawed" rather than straight-up garbo. Altho I've come to hate my own maps by now.

>>9034760
Shittlecock wasn't even that hard.
Eggplant seems to indicate that Dash Tower took him more attempts than Kratom Withdrawal, so I'm sure he'd have beaten Shittlecock without too much effort. It's not like it had broken monster closets or desyncing crushers.

>>9034305
>.gif
Good on you to have a sense of humor about it. I think this version mostly keeps the author's original intentions (which, as far as I can tell, may have been to just kill the player at the end if they fucked up even slightly—considering the room right before is designed the same way) while still avoiding frustrating the player unnecessarily.
If zipon has a problem with it, I'd say that trumps this; but otherwise, I support the slight tweaks here being put in.

>>9034962
I really like weapons like that, having theoretically infinite ammo.

>>9035082
I do too, but you gotta be careful with that to make sure players can't just lean on one weapon and make it braindead easy. All the weapons in Combined_Arms Gaiden has infinite ammo backup attacks, but you can only use those when you run dry of the respective ammo type

>>9034708
He is Enraged after all.

>>9034941
which is why i have no issues with the old QRP textures
rygel looks ugly and gave the bad fame

>>9035082
>>9035141
Infinite ammo weapons should theoretically be more prone to malfunction or the weapon itself breaking over time faster than others to balance them. Not just the handcrank/pump manual reload, but maintenance as well.

>>9035041
>Tenshi is eating a photoshopped corndog
Weak.

>>9035141
>I do too, but you gotta be careful with that to make sure players can't just lean on one weapon and make it braindead easy.
But the lib does exist?

>leads Duke Nukem 1, 2, and 3D
>quits gaming industry forever and fucks off to thailand
>leaves george broussard to ruin DNF
Why did Todd Reploge do it?

>>9035156
I would actually not mind having to do maintenance on it. That's got its own kind of charm.

>>9035183
>puts 3 well-regarded works in a budding medium under his belt
>retires happily with his mail-order bride
>doesn't have to continue working in an industry that would become Hollywood lite

So here's what I got for RC2
>ZMAPINFO because Z& still exists
>Update Screen Dream
>Some custom skies, maybe?
>Replace the TITLEPIC and BOSSBACK?

>>9035156
>>9035198
There's another Odd weapon that we've been talking about making, perhaps that could require maintenance, seeing as it'll play the role of a primary weapon. I'll talk with the boys about it later.

>>9035178
Lib ammo is difficult to manage with its massive weight. And also rare enough to justify its power

>>9035241
Started a BOSSBACK, but don't hold your breath. I'll try and get it done before the WAD hits /idgames

>>9035332
No rush, buddy. I won't be submitting to idgames until everything is in top condition.

>>9035282
Can you say what type of weapon it'll be?

>>9035286
On a continuous run of a wad I don't even pick up libs. So goddamn heavy and as soon as the one or two mags it comes with run out you're boned
It's a huge advantage to have one in your starting loadout on a map where the monster count is low enough your 5 starting mags will pop all of them though

>TNT Evilution's soundtrack

>>9035408
Yes indeed. Especially the fan made remixes:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/doom-metal-soundtrack-mod-volume-5

>>9035394
Whatever it'll be, it'll be a Carbine, so an Oddbine.

>>9035408
You should hear the YM2612 version.
https://youtu.be/MTBi5mBhw7k?t=36

>>9035395
I only stock up Liberator ammo when I know either a Baron, Spider Mastermind or Cyberdemon fight is coming close and there's no explosives or bolts nearby to take care of them. Two full mags of the Lib can kill a cyber if you get onto a position where you can cheese them with it on full auto.

i'm here to suck bubblegum and fuck ass
and i'm all outta gum

In the RC1 for 512, I at first hated the new Map03 (i hadn't yet played it in the beta) and then I loved it by the end. Good job whoever that was (I didn't look). Tight as fuck. The BFG was a satisfying reward to blast the revenants with.
I don't know why it hit me rough at the beginning, but I fuckin loved it at the end. Great map.

>>9034836
You need to make some frag movies of you doing sick shit in HD. This is completely insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEsoE5VBlmc

>>9026976
Here's a FDA. 4chan doesn't let me upload the link no matter what I do so I put it in an image. I usually upload to catbox but whatevs.

Unfortunately died during the 3-key arena fight. I imagine that's the continuous exit?
Gotta say, you kinda re-use a lot of generic layout shapes that I've seen a million times before, like the half-spiral arena, the circle with the spider, the elevator fight, the massive open infight room at the end, etc. But the fights were very fun.
Maybe more rocket ammo present than necessary. After the elevator fight, I ran into one of the small rooms and just SSG'd every Arachnotron. You probably intended for the player to use rockets on them, but there was no opportunity; they'd sealed me in and the space was not enough to use rockets. I could only get out if I killed em all. In that regard, I gotta say those Arachs are really harmless and boring. Same goes for the big spider, she's not really any issue, and there's no reward for killing her. Knowing modern map customs, there's most likely a secret to telefrag her, but I only found the obvious soulsphere one. No reason to even allow the player to get onto her platform, unless I'm missing something. If you're willing to do changes to the level, I recommend putting SOMETHING there. Maybe an automap so I can find all the secrets.
The yellow key fight was underwhelming IMO. Every other fight required me to potentially tank a lot of hits. This one is easy to get out unscathed because of the safezone with the two Barons. Definitely the easier one key route for a UV-Speed.
Visually the map is pleasant. That first area though, it's close to being an eye sore. I don't like the glowing at all. I see what you were going for, but I don't think it works well. To my discredit I can't exactly tell why.
Fun map, but unoriginal in its layout and progression.

>>9034084
I get the early maps mixed up all the time. I used to talk about the The Gantlet referring to it as MAP02

>>9035563
>I used to talk about the The Gantlet referring to it as MAP02
That was basically my problem. I forgot about Underhalls which is weird because I fucking love Underhalls, holy shit thank you based McGee for giving me the SSG so soon.

Should I be worried about this kind of autistic triangulation in Quake? Everything gets VISed and lit correctly.

>>9035615
The more triangules an object has, the harder/slower it'll be to render. Less is often better.
Are you sure the void mode isn't also showing you the back side of the object's triangles?
As long as you can playtest it just fine, don't worry about it. Worry if it starts affecting framerate.

>>9034057
i don't play doom or any fps for that matter besides tf2 but i gotta say, you guys have the best thread pictures on this board

>>9035623
>Are you sure the void mode isn't also showing you the back side of the object's triangles?
No backfaces, everything is nice and sealed and all non-visible brush faces have the skip texture.
I should also note that the main 'island' pieces are func_detail while the spikes are func_detail_wall (which means they shouldn't split faces, right?).

I guess I shouldn't be worried, but the triangulation just looked retarded for how clean I tried to make the brushes.

Thoughts on Perdition's Gate and Hell to Pay?

>>9035656
Mostly decent maps for the time, but Hell to Pay has some god-awful sprite replacements.

>>9035332
Ohh this one looks cool already.

Rentry anon here. Download link for Gagged (Soundless) version of HFFM expired, should I remove kinky sound effects myself or does anyone have copy and might share it?

>>9035476
It'll fit nicely in my loadout then.

>>9035656
Perdition's Gate is based
Hell to Pay is slightly less based, but still good (fuck map24)

>>9034059
Tomes & Triggers v1.8 by desert yeti
Small update to adjust goodies to facilitate exploration, also tried to prevent the “flying mancubus” incident. Should be final, it’s been fun.

HTTPS://files.catbox.moe/ikja0d.zip

The new interface items look super cool, project is looking great.

>>9035701
>The new interface items look super cool
Agreed. I wonder what else we can change to make this more "complete." Difficulty names? Items? I'll be willing to try if any of you got ideas.

>>9035183
>Why did Todd Reploge do it?
Because he knew that Scott & George would ruin everything, so Todd left on a high note. Good for him, honestly. Hope he's doing fine.

...and apparently you can't talk about HROT here nowfor it being a "modern game". Just warning you, guys. Sorry, moderators.

>>9035664
God these samples chuckle inducing, thankfully there are not too many of them. I'm considering leaving out DSOOF, DSPISTOL, DSSGTDTH, DSPLASMA, DSBSPWLK, DSMETAL, DSSPIDTH, DSMETAL and revenant sounds as they don't contain voice clips.
Where the hell this sample came from? https://voca.ro/14orJYjsuX74 It's familiar, but I can't remember.

>>9035776
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6boLnLYmwk4

>>9035780
First time seeing this, can't be where I heard it from. What I was actually thinking about is this, similar sound at 2:10 https://youtu.be/SaoBbCC66I4?t=130

>>9034057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh_aBcS6vAA

>>9035664
gagged v4: https://files.catbox.moe/fj3o8r.zip

>>9035663
>>9035335
Thank you. I fixed the fucking layout dimensions, and did some refinement.
Here's a link to a MEGA folder with an alternative version to pic related (UACSKY2 instead of UACSKY3 in the hole) and the Paint.net project file in case anyone wants to do some touch-ups (namely, shading Doom Guy; I'm not good at shading.)
https://mega.nz/folder/Z48yCCpJ#yuOpz51wzshnMfODiz9y3g

>>9035615
not sure if you mean the compiled result or the geometry in TB. in general I wouldn't worry about it unless you start seeing faces disappear (can happen even with full vis an deverything, usually with some crazy rotated geometry).
if you're asking if it's worth it to snap off-grid stuff if it results in triangulation, I'd say usually it isn't. I keep stuff off grid if it means it's easier to edit. you can snap it at the very end just in case.
the extra splits will happen anyway due to how bsp works, _wall or no _wall. and func_detail_wall will still split other func_detail_walls, while func_walls wouldn't.
looking nice btw.

>>9035241
Is the extended widescreen hud going to be used? Cause there was one uploaded near the end of the previous thread.

>>9035909
Yes.

"Semi-public" v227j patch for Unreal has been released.

https://www.oldunreal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10395

>>9035656
I think they are meh.

>>9035909
>>9035910
I swear I uploaded this one before.
I don't think it matters though, unless you want to go ultrawide.

>>9035776
The Revenants are supposed to sound muffled because of the masks.

>>9035914
Almost forgot the release notes.

https://www.oldunreal.com/wiki/index.php?title=227_release_notes/v227j

Cool stuff:
>proper hud scaling has been implemented, so you don't have to squint when looking at the hud on a modern monitor
>makes the game work without a hitch under windows 10 and 11
>unlimited saves, ala gzdoom, has been added
>quadshot shotgun has been reimplemented for those that want a more traditional shotgun that packs a major punch. type in "summon quadshot" if you want to use it in a map that doesn't have it
>game text translated into portuguese, catalan, and dutch have been added
>the XOpenGL renderer is now built into the patch, just like ut99 v469. its an opengl 3/opengl 4 renderer
>classic mode has been added, which undoes some minor gameplay changes caused by bugfixing in v227
>lots of changes for the editor and unrealscript

>>9035936
I got a good laugh out of that when I tried it out a few weeks ago. Haven't actually played through it beyond the first level yet.

>>9035881
Looks fuckin rad

>>9035664
You could add RC1 under 512 lines of /vr/, unless you're waiting for idgames launch I guess?

>>9035936
That's why I considered leaving them in place. >>9035879 this one on the other hand, which appears to be original, has no sounds at all. Anyway, thanks dude, page was updated.

>>9035959
Yep, that I was doing as it's inside the news post anyway. I'll add the link, maybe rentry page is being passed around outside 4chan.

>>9035241
>ZMAPINFO
It could deal with MAP07's incompatibility by either skipping it or throwing you into an alternate version where the friction effect is deactivated.
For DSDA and Woof, add a COMPLVL lump with the text "boom". That'll set complevel 9 automatically for those who forget it.
Credit graphic has a typo "waching".

>>9035701
I think a slight improvement still would be to not block monsters at the lines of the lowering walls and allow them roam freely when the map opens up more.

>>9035978
>It could deal with MAP07's incompatibility by either skipping it or throwing you into an alternate version where the friction effect is deactivated.
Really a shame it only works on complevel 9. But that's what you get for using Boom format and thinking you discovered something neat.
I'll go back to limit-removing vanilla.

>>9035914
>has been released.
If you can manage to sneak it past your browser, that is. A lot of them will detect a virus and block the download.

>check out Marathon's Story website for the first time in my life
>see this, shit pants
>two seconds later I realize I've been trolled by some dude 20+ years later

>>9035947
>>proper hud scaling has been implemented
Woah, I can finally play Unreal without a magnifying glass on either corner of my monitor.

>>9035947
hell yes HUD scaling finally I love this game

>>9035645
Give it a try, friend, a guy came in here and started playing it for the first time the other day and he's had a great time.

>>9035656
There's a few things I like about Perdition's Gate, but also a lot I don't, I think that it's got a lot of potential, but fails to deliver on most of it.
Some guys on Doomworld have been noodling away at a fan sequel, and I have some hopes about what that could deliver.

Hell 2 Pay I think has a pretty cool concept, as far as "the demons are actually aliens" goes anyway, and some of the levels look pretty cool, but I haven't played it. The monster reskins are, uh, "interesting", let's put it that way.

Custom textures are fun.

>>9035656
Perdition's Gate is actually good. It would be seen as one of classic megawads, if it had not been commercial. After all it was Tom Mustaine's work, who made one of best contribution's to TNT and Memento Mori. It had some nice new textures, and fun short maps.

Hell To Pay doesn't have same level of quality. Maps are too long, ugly and have bad gameplay. Textures and sprite replacements are ugly. Most of maps don't have inspiration behind them, but feel like they've been done just to get 32 maps. It feels like commercial shovelware production. Criticized Duke Nukem add-ons like Nuclear Winter and Duke Extreme are actually great compared to Hell To Pay. Hell i'd rather play Q!Zone. It's actually more fun.

>>9035947
>quadshot has been implemented
I thought it already existed in a usable state in a few deathmatch maps, unless I downloaded a mutator forever ago and forgot about it

>>9036447
Has been reimplemented, maybe you missed out where they unimplemented it?

>>9035803
I keep seeing these things so I decided to prove that the "ai" is nothing more than a mere program with a word bank by utilizing a real word with a word I made up as an insult (which I'm not going to define here) back in my high school days.

Turns out programmers can't think up of original ideas. Because it kind of impressed me that everything people were putting into it was generating relevant things including your horrifying pregnant doom imp. Turns out programmers can only make their programs (the ai) only so advanced and naturally the program would have no clue what a new word is.

>>9036470
>input nonsense into machine
>get nonsense back
>heh looks like I've outsmarted those uncreative coders...

>>9036476
The Ai isn't sentient and never will be.

>>9036480
Who said it would be sentient besides popsci morons who think sci-fi ideas are direct forerunners to reality?

>>9036486
Those morons did! They were on pol the other day talking about muh sentient AI. I was offended at their ignorance.

>>9036470
Holy shit you're stupid. It's like someone throwing a wrench into a jet engine and going "guess airplanes can't fly, shit engineers".
You didn't even bother to look up how the shit works before claiming mental superiority to the people that made it. You don't know shit.

>>9036480
Nobody claimed (this) AI is sentient, or anything else than a thing than to turn natural speech into images.

Stop being triggered shill

>>9036432
Nice. Looks like Xen, but eldritch.

>>9036510
No one else lives on your head. No one can tell that some idiot on /pol/ claimed AI sentience and you saw it and felt the need to contact nue the conversation in a thread about a game where the closest thing to AI is monsters zigzagging against walls.

>>9036470
>give program nonsense parameters it has no frame or reference for
>LMAO LOOKS LIKE IT DOESN'T GET IT!
Yeah, it won't know what the fuck you're talking about if you give it made up shit, which isn't actually that far removed from a human.

>>9036480
I don't see anyone here claiming that, nor have I seen that opinion elsewhere.

Remember "my nonsense" when people claim their program has sentience. It's how you prove them wrong and considering the responses I'm getting in this thread, you know I'm right.

>>9036470
It seems to like butterflies.

Also it creates some really horrifying images with this grainy weird look that triggers disease shit in my brain.

>>9036537
IT JUST DOESNT GET IT!
SOFTWARE ENGINEERS BTFO.

You are now to be judged by the tomato committee

>>9036489
>the tard board is tarded, I was offended
What does this have to do with us?

>>9036556
>Crusher activates
No

>>9036556
>We're here to talk to you about why you chose N when asked "Do you like Caco?"

>>9036556
That reminds me that I need to source me a bunch of sundried tomatoes, I had them as a side for pasta dish and never really thought about just how well they fit when you've got a tomato based sauce already.

Is Woof! furryshit? It seems like the current best sourceport for "vanilla+" doom gameplay but the fact that it looks vaguely furry-tier worries me.

>>9036604
yeah, it was co-founded and is currently developed by a rampant furfag who's put multiple obscure yiff references within the options and source code, there's even a function to spawn a friendly helper dog that's somewhat based off the dog he actually owned

>>9036604
Maybe it's developed by pony bros?

>>9036604
Use Nugget Doom instead. It's basically combination of crispy and dsda.

>>9036604
what makes it furry besides the name?
dogs make that sound and it's a reference to "marine's best friend" or whatever port used a dog actor based off the ones from wolfenstein 3d

I finished duke nukem's second episode and now I understand why people don't like it

>>9035972
A fine addition to our collection

>>9036665
I like duke nukem. I'd mod for it if doom wasn't the first game I started modding for...

>>9036470
Yeah, tsarkin piko't your peetlin, kloppo.

Now tell me what that means, Mr. Original Idea.

>>9036604
Don't listen to >>9036620 (well okay it is pretty funny)
>>9036635 is accurate, and even then the "furry besides the name" is a stretch. It's just the sound a dog makes, and it's MBF's Friendly AI implementation just happened to use a dog instead of, like, a friendly marine or something. Because somebody just had to overengineer the Friendly AI into hot garbo and represent it with a useless fucking animal instead of a simple and effective soldier.
Anyway I forgot what we were talking about for a second, I just hate MBF's friendly monster AI so god damn much. But yeah use Woof!, it's basically equivalent to From Doom With Love but better out-of-the-box, in my opinion.

>>9036686
I'm not the one lying to the people and while I can't figure out what you mean neither can sentient AI because the programmers themselves don't know what the fuck you meant. I'm not the one lying about a program to sell it to investors. I'm just pointing it out when people lie about their "Ai" which is just another term to describe a program

>>9036676
I like duke too, I was refering to the second episode, because it feels too cramped with too many hitscanners and enemies that shoot explosives and sentry drones

It's over Doom 64 bros...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD16N-8iMgI

>>9036707
The fuck are you babbling about? I'm calling you a retard for being a retard, nothing more. I don't give a tupenny fuck about any AI bullshit.

>>9036740
You retards only react in defense of ai because of information you have consumed. Otherwise you'd be like how you were in classrooms growing up. Silent and just absorbing the information. Like what happens when the news talks. So while people may have never been to pol or seen what I'm talking about they're reacting as if they have and simply can't remember. Either way my work here is done.

>>9036742
For the sake of history

>>9036665
I love it besides the battlelords, but thankfully without aim assist it’s one shrink blast and they’re done.

>>9035881
Just spent a little time adding some shading and highlighting to this after getting a good morning's sleep. Will update Mega files shortly

>>9036730
what happened to that project with new enemies for 64, based off the cut ones?

>>9035653
Detail affects the visibility processing, it doesn't affect triangle generation. Extra triangles are created when two surfaces (from the same entity) meet. It means that if you have two brushes overlapping and they both belong to worldspawn or func_wall or whatever, then you will get those triangles. When two brushes from two different entities meet, there's no such subdivision.
Detail brushes (as opposite to structural brushes) are ignored by VIS. It means that it will not generate extra portals, which are used to slice the static geometry into visibility areas (portal clusters) to determine which areas should or shouldn't be rendered according to the camera's position.
Check this page: http://gaarabis.free.fr/060_links/kpopt/index.html.. It explains how VIS works in Quake II and I take Quake is similar enough it should also apply (although I didn't check).

Has an alternative to Smooth Doom been created yet? I remember people saying that the regular shotgun had fucked up reload timings that nerfed the weapon.

>>9036846
>When two brushes from two different entities meet, there's no such subdivision.
not the case in Q1, hence the _wall variants. func_details weren't originally in the map format, they've been hacked in unofficially. everything that doesn't belong to a "thinking" entity gets merged with worldspawn, so there's more splits than you would expect in Q2/Q3.

>>9036860
There’s vanilla Doom smooth weapons. It’s only the weapons so no smooth enemies but it works for vanilla and isn’t tied to GZdoom.

>>9036860
Afaik the weapons firing rate etc is the same. The timing that's fucked is the animation pacing.

>>9036865
>everything that doesn't belong to a "thinking" entity
So all pseudo-entities recognized only by the compiling tools are pushed back into worldspawn? But then, all actual, real entities, as recognized by the game are no merged together into the same mesh. It only boils down to a hack and it's not that different from Quake 2 (it's just that there's no surface flag to offer a proper detail option) -- like Q2, that pseudo-entity will be ignored by VIS but contribute to the static geometry. If you put a func_wall brush (the one used in the start map) and put a func_door against it, they won't merge into the same mesh.
Am I getting this wrong?

>>9036889
Oh right I almost forgot about vsmooth. I actually like it better than Smooth Doom. I know for PrBoom+ and other forks you have to load the .wad and .deh together, but does GZDoom even need to load the .deh? Or just the .wad.

>>9036917
no, that sounds about right.
but if you have func_detail intersecting with another func_detail, intersecting with a func_group, etc - all of these will create extra splits (since they aren't really separate entities)
func_walls are thinking - so they don't intersect. func_detail_walls are part of worldspawn, so they are treated as one big mesh.

>>9036945
Never mind, it seems like the .deh is lumped into the .wad itself. Forget my question.

>>9034057
I'm finally playing Doom64 now that it's out on GOG for pretty cheap. And goddamn this game is cool.
The game looks amazing, I really like the new guns and enemy sprites, the lighting takes the cake, it ties everything together.
Speaking of guns, the chaingun is fucking awesome, way better than Doom1&2, the way it sounds and how the screen vibrates adds a lot to it. I like how the two shotguns sound but the lack of animation on the super shotgun makes it a bit awkward to use.
Also really enjoying the levels so far, pic related where you need to run across these tree pillars that go up when you land on them is so cool.
Don't know if this level of quality will keep up until the end of the game, but so far so great.

>>9037069
The Chaingun in Doom 64 is actually a little bit faster, too, to make up for the fact that the Plasma Rifle is a little bit slower (projectile spam is unhelpful on 5th gen consoles), so it's overall a much more enjoyable weapon.

THAT TIME AGAIN, BITCHES! FRIDAY NIGHT FIREFIGHT! We'll be going back to some good ol' Neon DM for this session! Open up Z& and let's go!
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666

>>9037069
Is this worth buying? I remember downloading a sourceport called dokm64 EX ages ago and it played from the pirated n64 pretty well, but I no longer have it on my PC. Does the GOG one add anything else?

>>9029505
Agreed, it's very cool to see "something" navigating around the geometry and not getting stuck.

I could probably get a basic game working at this point with just that. I really really need to get the map editor working so that I can create more maps though.

>>9037069
Is this worth buying? I remember downloading a sourceport called doom64 EX ages ago and it played from the pirated n64 rom pretty well, but I no longer have it on my PC. Does the GOG one add anything else?

>>9037154
It has a new episode which is actually really good, but there's probably a way to run it on Doom 64 EX anyway.

I really enjoy being able to Kool-Aid Man my way through weak enough doors and secret walls.

>>9037168

>>9037184
>imp tolberone

>>9037191
>AH SHIT. HURTS MY HANDS!

So let's talk about vrsounds. Pic related is the entire script, save for the array of strings and respective sounds. It's an EVENT script that relies on GAMEEVENT_CHAT to receive chat messages as soon as they are sent. When executed, the script will retrieve a string of the last sent chat message, compare it to an array of strings, and if the message matches one of the compared strings, it plays its respective sound. It's a pretty simple script, but it does the job well.

>>9037249
So why doesn't it work sometimes? Truth be told, anon, I'm no programmer so this is mostly speculation, but I think pic related has something to do with it. In short, having more than one EVENT script can get fucky, so when we want to play any mods that also use EVENT scripts (read: anything more complex than a Boom mapset,) there's a probability of it breaking. So there you have it.

Am I just stuck with GZDoom as an AMD user? DSDA-Doom and Woof unironically run worse than GZDoom on Vulkan for me.

>>9037319
That's what you get for not running Software

>>9037319
GZDoom always runs like shit
>>9037328
Polysoft runs especiallly shit

>>9037348
>GZDoom always runs like shit
Works on my machine :^)

>>9037348
I dunno, on my rig I can maintain a solid 144 fps on most slaughterwads. Meanwhile on DSDA, I start chugging frames as soon as there's more than 50+ enemies on screen. I thought the main meme with GZDoom was "lole can it run nuts.wad tho??", but I'm pretty sure I'd be running single digit frames on DSDA if I tried that.

>>9037364
The whole hurr durr gzdoom performance shit comes from people with a) potatoes who b) try to run project brutality on slaughterwads and c) refuse to use GLES or aren't even aware of it because they just parrot what other retards spout here.
That said, being a sourceport autists is wrong in and by itself. If I play a Boom mapset, I will play it in Woof! or DSDA, not in GZD.

>>9037364
Nuts.wad will always run sub 30fps regardless of source port imo

>>9037154
I'm not sure how it compares to Doom 64EX but I can't see how it'd be much more faithful / better, other than extras the devs threw in.
FWIW there's also Doom 64: Retribution which I found the best for me because you can disable headbob unlike D64EX and the retail re-release. But you gotta do some setting up to make it as faithful to the original.

>>9037406
Works on my machine

>>9037138
GGs

Do you guys like Open Fortress? A few locals here worked on it

>>9037484
Yeah.
https://youtu.be/ff7So2mIWnc

>>9037484
Not re-
>PC games up until 2007 are allowed
>TF2 was released in 2007
>OF is a mod so maybe it counts
Huh.

>>9037494
>CoD4 is retro now
How horrifying

anons, i`m looking for this mod for gzd, dunno the degree of completion of it, but it had a third person over-shoulder camera, and a sprite-based player model of a dude in a coat with two handguns. does anyone recognize what i`m talking about?

>>9037528
Was it this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNOUPvj9mk

Map24 of 400 minutes of /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d51ez5tkHdU
A very based map.

Seems that using Reshade + a LUT based on the Quake palette to emulate software palletization works pretty decently.

>>9035563
Thanks for the feedback and providing a demo (which unfortunately has desync issues). Yes, the 3-key arena fight leads to a continuous exit. I'll look into editing a few things here and there and adding difficulties.

>>9037415
Why no video though? nuts.wad works in gzdoom too and the fps issue goes away once monsters start dying.

I'm starting to really like AV. Looks like only Vorpal's levels were retarded slaughterfests.
>meanwhile author of the best map so far don't even have a page on doomwiki

>>9037708
My laziness is stronger than every sourceport

what`s the equivalent of IsSelected for zscript hud?

Been messing around with 227j. Requires an .ini wipe, my old settings are screwed. Lots of nice QoL. MarineMatch works again. HUD can finally be scaled without dgvoodoo or mutator workarounds. Non-ugly Quadshot is cool, but the sounds still seem fucked. Screenshots show the name of the map, which is neat. Campaign difficulty settings are now more noob friendly, with the fan-made ones being highlighted in red. There's also an option for rebalancing, though I've got no clue what it does.

I know CLOVR gets players once in a blue moon, but it'd be neat to run through Unreal with the new patch, whenever it shows up on schedule again.

>>9037398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMhI7kv6JI

>>9037797
Monday. I'll try to update the server tonight or tomorrow.

>>9037798
Reminder this guy made a shitty "TC" full of assets ripped from every source imaginable and is a modified DOOM2 IWAD to boot. And yes, it also runs on GZDoom because lol.

>>9037798
He doesn't seem like a very bright boy.

>>9037818
Who?
Also isn't that literally every mod for zdoom in general? Reused assets from virtually anywhere else, minus the modified iwad that is. Like there's some infamous examples such as AOD that got their asses ripped for it but come on. The ones that do it less at least tend to credit their plagarism and the ones that don't do it at all get a lot of praise for it.

>>9034836
So that's how you've actually been able to beat Hellbound. I've never seen movement like that before.

>>9037798
>check comments
>it's full literal commies claiming that GZDoom's system requirements are "classist" and how they should "eat the rich"
what the fuck

>>9037858
>full of commies that want to eat the rich
What the fuck? I don't even see such comments in there, even tried to ctrl+f that shit and nothing shows up for either "classist" or "eat the rich".

>>9037867
You must be blind or something.

is there a way to use strings in switch/case in zscript? or is this the wrong board to ask this at this point?

>>9037858
GZDoom does run like shit, though.

>>9037858
based
fuck rich people

>>9037908
To be fair, GZDoom is based on 20+ year old code with only single CPU core threading, plus its enormous amounts of bloat are a given since it's built to be compatible with everything. Unless someone wanted to rewrite it from scratch, there's only so much you can do about its performance issues.

>>9034059
trenchbroom 2022.1 released
https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2022.1

>>9034059
unreal 227j patch (semi-public release or whatever that means)
https://www.oldunreal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10395

>>9038018
>semi
the patch is a truck?

>>9038018
>semi-public
LEAKED GOODS?????

I kinda wish HERP and DERP terminals could be kept so you could still hack enemy robots without having to carry your own.

>>9038079
I think needing to have your own or acquire one from the map balances hacking pretty well, it's still my favorite way to clear out a chaingunner closet.

>>9038079
It's such a shame that there's no "hacking laptop/PDA" mod that enables such an option via a different, lighter item without having to carry them. It would really suit the mod for a specialized loadout that is meant to counter repurposed mechanical threats.

>>9038095
The problem is if it was a lighter item it'd be really easy to trivialize HERP and DERP ambushes. Having to provide your own robot first keeps things reasonable.

>>9038079
That's a thing? It's not part of ugly as sin or some addon? I just throw another derp as a distraction

>>9038079
I feel like I just time traveled 13 years
I haven't seen someone say herp unironically besides for console commands in forever

>>9038115
>open interface
>netevent derphack in console
or for HERPs:
>open interface
>disable HERP
>netevent herphack

>>9037797
>>9037810
Well wait a cotton pickin' minute. Where is the patch? Last news post says delayed as of 6/6/22.

>>9038018
>>9038153
Oh fuck, nevermind. missed it

>>9037621
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the load order. Top to bottom: Protonpack, protdeco10, your level.
Not sure why there's so many different wads. Played on dsda-doom with complevel 21 as stated.

>MAP04 of Stankonia/Actinia is dm_crossfire as a slaughtermap
Based.

hellish temperatures outside

The latest version of hellknights in hd are much weaker than in 4.6.1
They trow their fireballs in a more telegraphed manner, the projectile itself isn't as huge, it doesn't cause lingering aoe fires on its travel path and the HKs themselves get affected by actual damage in a more noticeable manner. Their shields also regen much slower, it used to be near-instant shield restore after it got broken, with no consideration if the hk was still being shot at so it recharged itself several times even during contineous vulcanette or smg fire before he died.

>>9037609
huh that's a really good idea, i always used gzdoom solely for having full mouselook with palette emulation

>>9037609
That looks amazing.

>>9036432
What's your workflow for texturing? These look great.

>>9037609
Ironwail supports this out of the box, no?

>>9037484
It's fun and you can get full servers regularly so it's better than about 75% of other arena shooters out there, but is it retro?

>>9038364
I think so, but it doesn't have CSQC and other amenities of QSS, vkQuake, etc.

>>9038384
no QSS bugs either, on the other hand

>>9038361
This is long and autistic so strap in:
>find really high-res pic of something
>use Texture Ripper to grab a nice chunk of it
>https://youtu.be/MLcbks7Jejc
>copy/paste directly into Materialize as a diffuse map
>setup height, normal, and AO maps
>height is important for tiling and can be layered back on the image for depth
>normal is just needed for AO
>AO is used for adjustment of shadows
>tile at 1024x1024 using whichever method best suits the texture (overlap for pic related, most others are splat)
>https://youtu.be/2DhLnl_-4RY
>paste diffuse, height, and AO directly into Gimp as layers in that order
>set height to grain merge and AO to burn (or something similar, depending on texture)
>adjust opacity of each until there's decent contrast - AO is usually low
>merge layers and apply some sharpness
>increase saturation around 50% usually
>duplicate layer, set to luminance
>on the new layer, use colors/desaturate with luma mode
>same layer, use colors/dither with each color level set to 16 and method set to bayer
>image/mode/indexed with Quake palette and floyd-steinberg dithering (sometimes not necessary on top of bayer, but I like it)
>merge layers
>increase sharpness and/or contrast if some was lost
>resize image down to 256 or whatever without filtering (sometimes filtering wroks fine, usually not)
>denoise if needed
>check tiling with layer/transform/offset
>fix shit if needed
>export as pcx and put in TexMex

Ignore all the dithering and extra sharpening if you're not using a palette. You can do tiling without Materialize, but it using height maps for tiling is just extremely convenient.

Is there any kind of successor to Zdoom wars? Zdoom wars is a blast and I'd love to see more done with it.

>>9037884
There are about two or three people, including me, who even know anything about ZS ever since polniggers have driven Marisa away, so yeah, it's a bad place to ask even for Decorate.
That said, sorry, no idea, never used switch case. Just try it. Alternatively you could make an array and use the indices.

>>9038426
Awesome guide, saved, thanks bro

>Try to drag a deployed IED to relocate it slightly
>It fights back like a person
What the fuck?

>>9037884
I know that can work in ACS, haven't worked with Zscript before. You can always try making a simple test script to see if it works, in pseudocode

>str check == ["health", "shells", "armor"];
>switch check[random(0,2)]
>{
>case "health":
>player.health ++;
>break;
>case "shells":
>player.ammo.shells ++;
>break;
>case "armor":
>player.armor ++;
>break;
>}

I have no clue what zscript actually looks like, but you should get what this does. Run it a few times, see if the player gets health, shells or armor randomly (and nothing else), and you know switch/case works with strings.

Hey anons, wondering if I can get some feedback on this map. It's the second one I've ever made and I'm still learning on the go. It's Doom II, Boom format, MAP01 slot.
https://files.catbox.moe/3mnhgk.zip

>>9038559
Your map desperately needs lighting variation, like terribly.
What is with the “pits” in the middle of rooms? Also the whole map suffers from these seemingly giant areas that aren’t related to one another, like your brain was just building without basis
Still, there were some nice ideas like the underground cavern and nice use of stairways. Exit jumpscare was neat. But yeah I would start with lighting variation.

>>9038465
It's a smart bomb.

>>9038616
THE SMART BOMB

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO POST THAT SHIT.

>>9038643
My dumb ass nearly corrupted my mod and I would have lost a fair chunk of progress. But everything's fine, so have this animation

>>9038643
Working on my 94 Protons map

>>9038643
Forgot to take a picture of the stuff I specifically did this week but old, old pic semi related since it's a part of it
I finally dug this project back up and started making more abstract room tiles and variants of existing 'normal' tiles. So now there are ramps, stairs, shafts, and some other things that I can go generate new level chunks with

>>9037609
That's nice, but let's see Paul Allen's screenshot.

>>9038653
>the missing ceiling tiles
Don't care what people say, I will never tire of that kind of basic detail.

>>9038647
Cute!

>>9038647
You're supposed to keep backups, you silly sod.

>>9038709
I do. It was just a few weeks since I last made a backup. So the most I would have lost was pretty much the dual wielding Solar Pistols and the animations for the little Arti here. Annoying, but not a disaster.

Zscript only works in (g)zdoom ports I assume? So if I want to make a mod usable in other sourceports, I have to use DECORATE?

>>9038719
GZDoom and only 3.0 and onwards with some specific shit for if it'll work or not with it getting bitchy about version numbers, sometimes needlessly so.

More ports support Decorate and ACS.

>>9038647
Gib

>>9038728
Well I'm slowly getting the Aspect Summon set up there. After this I'll probably move onto the chainsaw slot for the other set. I'm waiting on a guy for some sounds for the Space Hunter rifle.

Also I'm not gonna be able to finish GMOTA this year. So I've decided I'll be pushing this big fucking update with all of the polishing, bug fixing and other nice stuff and save Samson for 2023, because the alternative is crunching and that really puts my balls to the salad shooter, and could end up with shit design like how Kustam was.
I'm not happy about this prospect. But this is a result of me trying to help someone for pretty much the entire first half of the year, only for it to be all for naught.

>>9038719
Zandronum supports Decorate, but not all of it, and the lazy devs are unlikely to fill out the little that's left.

>>9038654
Ooh, what engine is this for?

>>9038820
Source 2013, watching those Kanepixels videos again made me want to revisit this
Still not sure how combat is going to factor in entirely yet or what I can make of HL2's enemy roster that fits but my original concept of randomized level flow and exploring weird architecture is still there
I just need to actually work on it more than once every several months

>>9037797
Rebalancing reverts difficulty changes back to 227i style where it fucked with HP and stuff. 227j just makes monsters attack you faster, maybe more. But it doesn't fuck with HP.

Most iconic shooter soundtracks in your opinion? For me its quake 2 and ut99.

>>9038951
Original RoTT and UT99.

>>9038831
forgot to add, I use a level generation python script to put together premade tiles into random patterns, make small randomized chunks of like 8-10 tiles each and then assemble them into a full level. My idea is to have every level segment be randomly chosen from like 5-10 layouts so that it's unlikely you'll get the same run through every time.

>>9038643
MAP02 is going to be much, much more punk than MAP03, so I started MAP03 first (pic related.)
My ideas for MAP02 are much more concrete, so I'll use it as creative grease for when MAP03 is going slow. I'm also not 100% sold on my MIDI for MAP02 (Jailhouse Rock, but I might go with Folsom Prison Blues), but I definitely got the right one for MAP03.

Are we playing Sam tonight? If so, which one?

>>9038831
>>9038968
You could get a python script to whip up randomly generated .bsp's? That sound brilliant. Also, first time I see third party source editors like Hammer++, that's interesting.
>Still not sure how combat is going to factor in entirely yet or what I can make of HL2's enemy roster that fits
Yeah that's tough, I like HL games, 2 included, but that enemy roster Im not fan of - combines are really spongy(though not as much as those HECU grunts) which makes weapons less enjoyable and impactful. If you're going for a horror feel(assuming from the backrooms theme) then zombies aren't that bad, though you need specific layouts and encounters like ravenholm or ep1 basement to fully enjoy them

>>9038951
Agreed. I'd also the original single player unreal games including return to pa nali

>download new Trenchbroom update
>most models just refuse to display now
th... thanks...
linked groups are cool though

>>9038250
Looks like tarns deleted his actinia stream before I could watch the replay
Did he like it?

>>9035241
If you are looking for custom skies, this is one I made some time ago.
It could be used for some kind of space station or planet surface map.
Keen observers will notice that this is not earth, but just some random
class M planet.

captcha: PH4GS

>>9039381
Also this one, made from some 360 desert view.

>>9039053
The host said we're gonna play custom maps this time, presumably for TSE.

>>9039381
>>9039382
these look nice

>>9039381
>>9039382
These aren't bad, but I think they clash a bit too much with UAC Ultra's textures. Got any orange ones?

>>9039382
I like this skytexture
This is a nice fucking skytexture

>>9039465
Quick swap, but now the stars look too much like random noise imo.

Tell me about the Quake games. Are they ALL worth a play? Are the fanmade source ports of 1 still better than the nightdive remake?

I was interested in playing Powerslave, what is the best ver. to play, emulate the ps1 or the remaster?

Hey guys, I'm playing
DoomRPG Rebalance [DoomRPG + DoomRLA build] and been noticing that when I pick up a medkit or stimpack, they don't appear in my inventory, and I can't use them, they just seem to disappear.

What's causing this? I have a few small extra mods running but I don't think they should be affecting it

>>9039556
Quake is a mixed bag, can be a lot of fun with mobility but weapons feel less punchy compared to say Doom and the bosses are a joke.

Quake 2 is even more of a mixed bag, I wouldn't call a lot of the level design intuitive and they really fucking wanted you using the pew pew infinite ammo blaster as a flashlight.

I couldn't say a lot about Nightdive, especially not after them getting caught with their pants down this week.

>>9039639
>especially not after them getting caught with their pants down this week.
What happened?

>>9039670
Nightdive fucked up Blade Runner remaster big time.

>>9039556
>Are they ALL worth a play?
Depending on your preference. Personally, I think the original and Arena are pretty fine. Quake 2 was okay, but I wasn't able to go back to it. Remaining games are off-topic nowadays.
>Are the fanmade source ports of 1 still better than the nightdive remake?
Recent re-release* is alright as a starting point for new players on PC & consoles, similarly to Nerve Software's re-release that uses Unity wrapper. You would be better off sticking to some source port like Ironwail in the long run. If Quake is new for you and/or you're busy, then Nightdive's Kex wrapper thing is alright option.
>>9039639
>>9039704
I remember seeing some threads on this board about Nightdive & anons talking about some issues related to Blade Runner (had slightly more luck with System Shock Portable... nah, not really). While I can't recall anything about them, recent news did seem rather ironic.

Serious Business Saturday is still planned for today, will start in about an hour. We'll be playing through some custom levels this time around so if you want to go ahead and download the levels early here they are:
>https://mega.nz/file/hw0XEABL#ze6yxwe_p55MpRgivwnWVBioGjvUF8g9WMJZThPEBVM
>To install, extract all the .gro files inside the zip file to your main Serious Sam The Second Encounter directory.
>Do not modify the .gro files in any way, just take them out of the zip file and place them in the main folder of your TSE install.

>>9039737
>Ironwail
Please, don't use Ironwail, it can't into QSS extensions and it breaks Steam Quake if you don't choose the non-Steam option.

>>9039765
>not always using the non-steam option
ngmi

>>9039670
>>9039704
They released a worse version of Blade Runner than the one already out, while having the one already out (and done by other dudes) pulled from sale, and when theirs started getting really, really bad reviews pointing to the old one as better, they bundled the other developer's version into theirs.
>>9039737
>System Shock Portable
I remember hearing about them buying one developer of that off to screw the project up and give the code to them, while they DMCA'd every download for it, I thought it was just salty fans of that making shit up at the time. Maybe there was some truth to it after all.

>>9039743
I put them in the "mods" folder and they're not showing up.

>>9039743
>>9039857
Nevermind, I'm an idiot and didn't think to check the "custom levels" tab. They needed to be in the root directory for that.

>>9038643
>>9039034
If my graphics driver continues to behave, I might have the first three maps of this WAD done by the end of July..

>>9039874
Those are some nice chairs.

>>9039874
What's the wad, if I may ask?
Looks cool.

>>9039556
>Tell me about the Quake games. Are they ALL worth a play?
Yes to 1 and 2 for singleplayer.
>Are the fanmade source ports of 1 still better than the nightdive remake?
Sure but the Nightdive port isn't as dumb to use now, and can get you exposed to some cool mods.

>>9039878
Thanks.
I really, really like Castlevania: Curse of Darkness.
>>9039886
Work-in-progress 10+3-map MBF21 WAD with branching level paths (akin to Star Fox) and custom enemies. (I've posted a couple drafts of the first map over the past month or so.)
Thank you for asking!

>>9039556
1-3 are all worth playing.
1 is a classic, 2 has more mixed opinions about it, but usually the consensus is that it's not as good as 1 but still a good fps game. 3 is obviously a multiplayer game, but even bot matches can be fun. Quake 4 isn't terrible either, but it's really dragged down by usual 7th gen military shooter bullshit.

>>9039868
Ha, let me get something to eat then we'll start.

Map25 of 400 minutes of /vr/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=01pp2prwY6M

>>9039556
The Nightdive version is competent if you absolutely need to pay for Quake.

Is there anything that determines how quickly/reliably you can kick down doors and walls or is that totally random? Sometimes I can get through pretty quick and without any injuries. Other times it takes forever and 4+ injuries before breaking it down.

>>9039743
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Serious Business Saturday. We got a lineup of custom maps for today, all from a recent mapping jam with the theme "underground." Now unfortunately these maps aren't connected so I'll have to restart the server every time we beat a level. Please wait for everyone to reconnect before rushing forwards on level load. Make sure to properly install all the maps!
>IP: 45.79.57.115 (connect via specify server)
>https://mega.nz/file/hw0XEABL#ze6yxwe_p55MpRgivwnWVBioGjvUF8g9WMJZThPEBVM
>To install, extract all the .gro files inside the zip file to your main Serious Sam The Second Encounter directory.
>Do not modify the .gro files in any way, just take them out of the zip file and place them in the main folder of your TSE install.

Fun fact: I made a level for this mapping jam. If you call it out you win!

>>9039962
I'm pretty sure it's random and it does a diceroll checking your strength: blood levels, do you have a stim in your system, your height, etc, which is why having zerk in your system makes you kick shit down usually really easily.
If you're getting tired of the dicerolls, take a chainsaw with you. They're not terribly heavy and they're great for sawing doors down.

>Brad Spencer (Vorpal)
>Alien Vendetta (Doomworld/idgames)
>MAP12: Entropy (with Adam Windsor)
>MAP13: Suicidal Tendencies
>MAP14: Overwhelming Odds
>MAP16: Mutual Destruction
>MAP22: Rubicon
First 4 maps were truly disgusting, I thought this man can't do anything right, but then I stumbled upon this beauty, the whole levels is pure visual sex, and when I checked it was done by the same fucking person. Even combat is completely different, it's like he made those 4 trash dumpsters, and then after few years of mapping experience he made this level. What gives?

>>9039898
>with branching level paths
were you the dude doing the intermission screens for a branching path wad a week or two ago?

>>9039963
Level change, give me a second to restart.

>>9039975
>intermission screens
Doesn't sound familiar, sorry. I've only just completed the first map, and don't have assets prepared quite yet, let alone intermissions.

>>9039967
I guess I'll have to add a chainsaw to a loadout and use more Stims then. I'm going through EDay and there aren't any chainsaws in this entire mapset until map 16.

And am I underestimating robots? I set three HERPs and two DERPS down in front of a Hellknight closet, turned the HERPs off because beeping was annoying me, and then promptly forgot about them when I went through the next door and activated the Hellknight. The DERPs killed him on their own.

And is it just me or do Medkits not actually check and stop you from using all your auto-sutures on burns? Like I can hold the buttons down and it'll let me just use all of them even if they don't need them.

How do I set up a doom server? I wanna run All Out War for some friends but I can't port forward so I'm planning to use Ngrok instead.

>>9039556
Nightdive port has a new mission pack, that's one of best campaigns made for Quake.

>>9039970
Those aren't bad maps, you just got filtered. Git gud.

>>9039963
Somebody is getting fired for this.

>>9040141
BUTCHA DIDN'T HAFTA STOOOOP SO LOOOOW
>(Right here)

>>9040000
Bots have sharp aim and 30 rounds of 9mm is more than enough for one knight.

>>9040021
It stops you if you have no burns, but the burn treatment works gradually, so if you're slamming it all at once, you can use more than you need. One treatment heals five burns, so if you have 30 burns you want to hit it six times.

>>9038438
>>9038480
damn, i see. thank you, i`ll keep it in mind!
so far i ruled it out using token item amount. there`s probably a way to use global variables or something, but i couldn`t figure them out for shit, so i`m just gonna keep on using monke ways despite working with zscript.

>Screams in HFFM

>find a cool looking gameplay mod
>look at screenshots
>all sprites are fancy hd shit / it uses fucking models
what's the point of all this technical flexing if in the end it just dOESN'T FIT???

>>9039314
okay, this is actually pretty cool

>>9039963
And that's a wrap, thanks to everyone who could join!

>>9039990
Must have been some other dude, they were doing individual intermission screens to show progress about the map.

>>9039963
I wish I had taken more screenshots

>>9040253
>tfw missed it again
Ah rip me...
someday I'll return

>>9040265
>they were doing individual intermission screens to show progress about the map
Oh, I actually do plan on doing that. But I haven't made any real progress to speak of, yet; I just have a vague notion of emulating Doom 1's usage of that very same idea.
I think there was another anon who posted his own (more impressive) progress, but all I could share was a notebook sketch that I plan to use as a foundation.
Someone mistook part of my sketch for an underground pyramid, so I stole that fukken idea on the spot lmaoo

>>9035978
>or throwing you into an alternate version where the friction effect is deactivated
If you could throw one together then I'll get it in the set as MAP07B

>>9040381
It's pretty late here right now and I'm already half asleep. Give me a day or so to whip something up.

>>9040348
>Someone mistook part of my sketch for an underground pyramid, so I stole that fukken idea on the spot lmaoo

So, like this?

>>9040393
Alright.
RC2 should be out in a day or two then.

>>9039829
>while having the one already out (and done by other dudes) pulled from sale
No they didn't. It was still bundled on gog, it just wasn't the default installation. It was never pulled.
The new version does apparently suck shit though. Don't use it unless they fix it.

feelin' like making a game in the quake engine. anyone else? i know ssqc/csqc in and out but i ain't got talent for anything that isn't codin'.

ya sure are hung louk, ya sure are hung
where is shitwad anon

Was there ever an updated version of Alien TC?

>>9040454
whats your epic game idea

>>9040540
it would depend on what YOU can do, frankly
but i would like to make an immersive sim with combat that doesn't make me wanna end my life, ya' know
but it could be anything, long as it is an fps

I haven't played retro shooters in more than a couple years and have a silly question

>Try to get into local college's "entertainment art" program
>They accept mods, 3D renderings, games, etc as portfolio
>I have no real portfolio, just half finished projects so i'm scrambling last minute to make a deadline for presentable projects
>Get the idea to retexture some Doom and Duke 3D levels in a concept art / photobash style to have "finished" levels presentable

I'll probably just use something like Slade3 and Zdoom for doom unless there's a better option specifically for textures, but what's the equivalent program i can use for Duke 3D to dump all the textures and import modded ones?

I thought this general was just memeing but holy shit BURL TUMD is fun as fuck. I wish it was more compatible with nashgore though

>>9040572
Might be wiser to do something more modern since that's where the industry is at. This way you can also create a portfolio out of your school projects for modern game companies. Lots of games use the unreal engine and making a mod for it could also be used for your real world portfolio. Anything is possible but that's more practical.

>>9040619
I love how doom is haunted at times

>>9040715
This is a very entry level 1 year course and then i transfer into a 2 year advanced course where we learn unreal, etc but i'll keep that in mind, that probably is a better idea in the long run

>>9040235
Just create your own. It's what I did. Makes it more fun.