/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9037576
and yeah I KNOW I could have just looked this up but I don't want opinions from trannies and redditors so

1 was ass and 3 already started throwing in dumb bullshit. 2 was pure.

>>9037593
>2 was pure
>bubble man's spike ceiling
>quick man's stage without time stopper
>quick man with mega buster
>crash man with mega buster
>heat man's vanishing blocks (although i will admit these get downright retarded in 3)
>dipshit boobeam boss that literally requires you to farm for items if you die
>2 was pure

>>9037625
>being this bad

>>9037576
It's not.

>>9037576
more people played at as a kid (since ya know, the later megaman games came out when the snes was goin strong) and it improved upon the first game more than the later games improved on it, although the later games had more changes to the gameplay which were cool but ig nostalgiafags didn't like em
also the music is really good but that's the case for every mega man game

>>9037576
I like 6

>>9037576
It's the best-selling MM game, so if you've played one of them you've likely played MM2. More people to defend its honor than like, MM&B. I do agree with most criticisms made in this thread.
I think it's main advantage is that there's more room for shaking up the boss order, since the damage match ups are a little more varied than usual. A lot of the classic MM games have just 1 weapon that a boss is weak to, while the rest does basically nothing.

>>9037576
Honestly, I believe it's due it being the first Mega Man game of many people going by sales numbers and the addition of an Easy Mode.

I haven’t played it yet, but I bought it complete years ago - wonder if it’s worth anything prob not since you said it was the most popular

>>9037576
Second trilogy started after SNES had been released.
Mega Man 1 was good, but wasn't a big hit thanks to shit boxart / marketing.
Mega Man 2 had better music, more stages and was easier.
Mega Man 3 had a slide / dogs. But felt a little rushed.

>>9037576
>Why is this generally considered the best Mega Man game
It became a cliché to say that.

The best one is Megaman 9

>>9037576
>Why is this generally considered the best Mega Man game?
It's baffling because all those bloody games are near identical.

>>9037576
>>9038182
Mega man fans are insane.

>>9038183
just gonna leave this here

>>9038183
bro just more mega man game please bro just one more I promise I'll stop complaining I just one more game bro one more mega man please bro or the series is dead bro one more mega man game please bro the fandom is suffering please

>>9037576
soundtrack and the jump in quality from the first title

>>9037576
I was about to make this thread but harsher. Maybe another time. Today, OP was not gay.

>>9038238
The only thing it does better than the first one is graphics. Every other aspect is worse, and that's no exaggeration.

>>9037634
>>being this bad
>still can't beat Yellow Devil or fucking Copy Robot

>>9037576
It's the easiest Mega Man NES game (if it's American version) and I believe was the best seller, and it's especially easy if you know to get Metal Man's weapon first. So lots of people have been able to enjoy/beat it compared to the others. Also more recently it was on the NES mini.

I unironically think 1 is better because the Wily Stages aren't shit.

>>9037576
I wrote a mini-essay about this in a similar thread a while back, but the gist of it is that MM2 does a great job of encouraging the player to actively engage with the game's non-linear structure through its levels and bosses, forming a strong bond between the player and the character they're controlling—especially if they're at an impressionable age. Stages like Quick Man's feature deliberately 'unfair' challenges that force most newcomers into attempting easier Robot Masters instead, but this ultimately works in the game's favor by lending all eight initial stages a high level of gameplay connectivity that rewards the player's intuition ("That time-stopping weapon would be perfect for those lasers...") without removing those stages' difficulty entirely—note how most of the 'hard' stages make the player choose between using their intended weapon on a stage element of the boss itself. Combine this with some effective setpieces, amusing easter eggs, and one of the best endings on the NES (if not gaming as a whole), and you have a surefire recipe for a game that, if nothing else, sticks in the minds of its players. Later titles in the series would feature more balanced stages, more fluid controls, and more 'professional' level design (and I'll freely admit that I reach for 3 or 4 far more often than I find myself booting up Mega Man's second adventure), but they've never been able to recapture MM2's unique charm.

>>9037576
because of screwattack g4 mtv millennials

>>9037865
That's a good point on the boss order. There's so much variety in terms of some bosses having two or even three weaknesses, some being replenished by certain weapons (does that even happen in any other classic MM?), one boss being more weak to his own weapon than any other, also feels like there are a lot more outright immunities as I can't really recall bosses in other classic MM games no-selling weapons, but I might just be misremembering on that one. Plus the weapons and especially items can drastically change the feel of certain levels. These all make the game a lot more replayable. The weaknesses in the first MM are still pretty fun to figure out for your first time playing because they're so intuitive and actually make sense, even if they're pretty generic and lacking in freedom, but MM3 and on it feels like the weaknesses are arbitrary and just going through the motions.

>>9038280
i get that 4chan MUST be contrarian
but come the fuck on
the original is the absolute objective worst

>>9038437
It might be the worst but it's still a great game :)

>>9038437
eh it's not the best or anything sure but it's like middle of the road at least
besides, all the classic mega man games are at least fun to play usually

>>9037625
Do you suck at the game or something lol

>>9038479
zooms cannot play
only can watch youtube

>>9037576
MM1 is a bit janky and then they start getting worse after 2, so it wins by default.

>>9037625
Oh my god I thought you were gonna throw some legit comparisons of why you prefer the later games but turns out you're just bad.

>>9037625
>boobeam boss
literally the only valid complaint you have and even then, the pause glitch exists

>>9038285
>Projecting this hard

This is a minor thing for most people, but I like the way MM1 and MM2 'snapped' from scene to scene (like from death to respawn) as opposed to the fades that became standard from MM3 onward. The death sound from MM3 onward blows. These two things (and the soundtrack) do so much to give MM2 a sharper, more arcade-like feel that make me choose it more often than other entries when I feel like replaying a MM at random. Thinking on it, I'd love to see if it were possible to add the 'snap' and death sound to the later NES games with patching.

>>9037625
>crash man with mega buster
Once you figure out how to manipulate him, he's the easiest boss in the game. I usually start with him (and do Quickman second) when I want to go for a mix-up run.

>>9037576
Its the only MM game people who rates 2 as the best one played and it also sold the most so it gets the highest rating.
It's a good game despite that but most sequels and even a few of the GB titles are improvements and do a better job at what 2 does despite what copes and excuses get thrown around discrediting every other sequels

>>9037576
Unironically because that overrated wily stage 1 theme
It sucks balls though. In reality, 3 is the best one in the classic lineup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoThCyif9Oc
wow what a great series

>>9038367
I've been doing a MM marathon and I initially tried to do it blind but after like MM7 or so I just stopped because as the series went on it didn't really feel all that rewarding to experiment with weapons. You either fight the boss normally or you obliterate them.

>>9038553
He's a big fan.

>>9037913
dude you'd be surprised how much CIB NES games sell for on ebay now the popular ones at least

>>9038182
>It's baffling because all those bloody games are near identical.
yeah i used to think this too and then i actually played the games so

>>9038356
ok arin

>>9038673
sorry that i found the constant trial and error instadeath bullshit in the earlier games not particularly fun or rewarding to get through dude, sometimes i actually like to enjoy myself when playing games

>>9039004
Kek

MM3 is my all-time favorite, and it would have probably been considered the best of the NES games had it actually been finished. I've never looked into it, but I wonder if there's a ROMhack that more or less restores everything that didn't make it into MM3.

>>9038696
I don't think you ever used the pause glitch nor ever fought the boobeam trap in MM2. I don't think there's even a pause glitch in 2.

I played 5 for the first time in a while since that's the one I'm least familiar with.

>stages felt short and unmemorable
>boss weapons are gimmicky as hell or way to situational to make any use out of
>those fucking falling crystals on Crystal Man's stage
>most of Wave Man's stage is just an auto scroller
>everything in Napalm Man's stage dies to a single charge shot

What went so wrong with this one? Was it rushed or something?

>>9037576
It's a marked improvement over the first game but it's still been outdone by most games afterwards (except music-wise). I think fans of the first trilogy were burned out by the second trilogy back in the day, which is why they didn't get enough appreciation until Legacy Collection.

>>9039178
5 is possibly the weakest NES game and soured the entire second trilogy for a lot of people. The engine was even reused from Darkwing Suck for NES.

>>9039205
MM5 absolutely does not reuse the DD engine, for one thing they don't even use the same mapper or ROM configuration.

I still think MM 1 is the best game and always have but last time I said this in complete earnest I was accused of "contrarian baiting"

>>9039231
it was made back when the inspiration was fresh. also has the best music out of the series. Most of the subsequent games have soundtracks that are too laid back and spacey.

>>9039178
I actually think 5 is overhated but I will agree the boss weapons are retardedly inconsistent. Trying to use Power Stone on Charge Man is the most insane fucking chore because the projectiles just shoot everywhere, you literally can't aim. But then you use Gravity Bomb on Gyro Man and all you have to do is just stand there and use it 4 times and he dies.

>>9038356
>one of the best endings on the NES (if not gaming as a whole)
...?

MM1 is special to me because it's the only one I own the actual cartridge of.

>>9039205
>The engine was even reused from Darkwing Suck for NES.
what the fuck are you talking about

>>9039215
>>9039256
This is a common claim, but the source on the Wikipedia article is some fansite, which isn't reliable (wiki using a crummy source esp.for vidya? stop the presses).
Anyone know the original source for the claim?

>>9039003
i can't tell 2-6 apart, they sort of blend in my mind

>>9039242
>also has the best music out of the series
There are some really good tracks (Cut Man's is one of my personal favorites) but Guts Man's is 10 seconds long and lol at the second Wily theme.

>>9038865
For you.

>>9039150
what he means is that, upon pausing, you teleport for a second
you can use this to avoid attacks
i don't really think it's necessary though, just bring an etank
>>9039178
i sucked ass with those crystals too but then i realized you could just use star man's power on them

>>9038203
I had all of this shit at one point. Eventually gave it all away.

>>9038182
>>9039003
>>9039601
It's really only 4-6 that blend together to me. I guess because they do the whole "2 castles in one game" shtick and the improvements got more gradual. I still enjoy them, though.

>>9038830
It's not even the best Wily stage theme anymore. MM9's mogs it.

>>9039807
you did not give away tens of thousands of dollars of games and merch for free

>>9039862
Way more than that. nearly all the north American release titles for saturn, N64, Playstation, Gamecube and Dreamcast, plus many popular 90's and 2000's PC titles. I gave up collecting and decided to give them to people that wanted or needed them, I'd estimate somewhere to the tune of $300,000 in retail merchandise.

>>9038036
>>9038036
>Mega Man 3 had a dog. But felt a little rushed
AYYY LMAO

>>9037576
Two things. It was the first "real" Mega Man game, with MM1 being more of a test run for the formula, very unpolished. Second, it had easy mode and metal blades. That moved the game from Mega Man's usual "Nintendo hard" to "actually beatable" for a kid, so a lot more positive memories would be associated with it.

>>9038036
>Mega Man 3 felt a little rushed

>>9037593
1 was a very good game for NES times

>>9040262
The only bad thing about 1 is the RNG movement of the footholder platforms.
And maybe the god tier perfect timing required to get past the dropping fireballs in Fire Man's stage without taking a hit, if you can't Magnet Beam around them.

>>9038039
>The best one is Megaman 9
>dude what if the level design is 90% spikes and bullshit enemy placement: the game
It isn't.

>>9039178
Probably made by another team since by the time MM5 came out, MMX was already in development.

>>9040262
Making the magnet beam a pickup instead of an item the game just gave you kinda bullshit, since you'd softlock once you hit wily castle

>>9040358
>90% spikes and bullshit enemy placement:
spikes, sure. they're practically decoration.
but enemy placement? 9 gets incredibly good use out of it's enemies. buster-only feels good to do, just as much as tearing ass with all the weapons. did we play the same Mega Man 9?

I prefer 3.
The phrase "generally considered" is not something I ever waste neurons thinking about.

>>9039150
Just fucking jump lol

>>9039178
MM5 at least has great music, maybe my favorite of any of the NES games. And it might be cheating but the Complete Works version especially. CW Gyro Man and CW Wave Man are two of my favorite songs in the entire franchise.

>>9038553
thats a throwback

>>9039178
5 is actually my second-favorite NES entry.
>favorite collection of RMs, spent months drawing them in the margins of papers at school
>messing with Super Arrow is fun as hell
>some AAA music like the title theme, Napalmman, Waveman, Chargeman, both castle themes and the staff roll though I will admit Stoneman's theme and the boss music both suck balls. Also it's a minor thing, but I appreciate the ability to muffle the charge sound as well
I'll disagree heavily on the stage complaints (I like Waveman's stage setup and LOVE Gravity/Charge/Darkman 3 &4) and somewhat on the weapon complaints (Power Stone and Water Wave genuinely suck, but I enjoy messing around with Gyro Attack and Gravity Hold).
I'll also admit it has the weakest Wily battle by FAR, but I love everything else so much about it that I'm tempted to do a run right now just off of writing this all out.
The real disappointment for me is 6, which has a great soundtrack but NOTHING else to recommend about it.

>>9042608
5 is definitely my favorite "I have 30 minutes to spare; lets play some Megaman" game.

>>9037576
Was a huge improvement over 1, and 4-6 are just reskinned versions of it

>>9039880
Nice larp.

>>9037625
>dipshit boobeam boss that literally requires you to farm for items if you die
The walls stay destroyed between deaths. You're welcome, but never make this complaint ever again.

>>9042783
No they aren't. They're so different that Capcom literally got rid of most of the control improvements they introduced when 9 came out.

>>9037625
Dude none of those are a problem except for the boob beam boss that one is pure dog shit

>>9042783
this is such a lie. 1 is a better game than 2.

>>9039601
You have a brain tumor get checked ASAP

>>9042783
>4-6 are just reskinned versions of it
have you actually played these games buddy

>>9039273
The source on wikipedia doesn't even say
>DD uses the MM5 engine
it says
>DD uses the MM engine

In short, this is what happened
>fan site notices DD sorta plays like MM
>assumes all MM games use "the same engine"
>therefore assumes DD uses "the" MM engine

>another guy sees this, notices that the latest MM game released before DD is MM5
>therefore assumes DD uses the MM5 engine
>writes that on wikipedia and uses that fansite as a source

and now it's official
>DD uses the MM5 engine

>>9042608
>NOTHING else to recommend about it.

It's tons of fun to fuck around with the Power Armor and the Jetpack. Did you know that the fully charged fist from the power armor knocks back Robot Masters and make them cancel the move they were about to do? There is nothing like that in any other MM game, it's pretty awesome

>>9045060

>>9045060
>>9045067
kek that's pretty broken. Nice tip, though.

Dr. Cossack 2 is the best castle theme in the entire series. Up there with Sigma Fortress 1 from X1.

>>9045264
I don't give a fuck if it was an autoscroller, jumping across the rooftops of Cossacks castle with that song playing was an awesome feeling.