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Just finished Metal Gear Solid 2. Holy fuck.
At first, I was disappointed by the missing cast and having to play as some random twink instead of snake. I liked the gameplay, but it was a bit fast, and more difficult that MGS. Using FPS mode with a controller feels like shit, as always, but I kinda got used to it. The Fatman fight was so kino. I was really enjoying it, but hoping I'd get to play as Snake. EE's death really fucked me up. They specifically gave her traits, phobias, to trigger a paternal instinct to protect, as well as make the player bond with her after witnessing her vulnerabilities and carrying her around like a child and holding her hand. Fuck. That's evil game design and something you can only do with games. I actually started crying with Otacon. The game just got a lot heavier all of a sudden, it was legit depressing. I was like "let's just finish this", and the game somehow goes 4D. The AI sequence is the most horrifying gaming experience I had. At this point, I really got invested into Raiden and Rose's relationship, because I could relate to Raiden and this sudden change was haunting. I started questioning everything, it was like a fever dream, Snake appearing gung-ho in his classic getup, handing you a katana, the game suddenly turning into an action movie, the surreal fight with Rays - everything is deliberately designed to make you doubt anything you see. Snake's "infinite ammo", Japanese hi-tech armor straight out of a cyberpunk setting for no reason, and they deliberately made everything feel more "gamey". It was like a parody of metal gear at this point. The situation was orchestrated by Ocelot and Patriots, it's a simulation, the in-game events might be an in-universe VR simulation, the real game Metal Gear Solid 2 in our world is literally a simulation. I was questioning everything until the final battle. What a battle, too, the music's amazing. It was scary. I can see why everyone keeps sucking Kojima's dick. Genius.

>> No.9037114

Welcome to 2001.

>> No.9037125

>>9037108
Ran out of space.
Another thing that makes the game great is how relevant it is right now, with machine learning AI, censorship, and the role of technology and especially the internet in our lives. An EMP blast would be even more devastating today.
What I love about the AI reveal part is that it demonstrates how horrifying the theoretical in-game censorship machine is IN PRACTICE, inside a fucking game, directly to the player, that's what makes it so scary. Something that can rewrite history on the fly.
It's not just a metal gear sequel at this point, it's something more
Metal gear? more like META GEAR, holy fuck
>>9037114
It doesn't fucking matter, the game did not age, it's just as, and even more relevant now

>> No.9037128

>>9037108
Dont feel like making a new thread.
Is Metal Gear 2 solid snake worth a playthrough ? (The version on the hd collection of metal gear solid)
I played metal gear a couple of years ago and i remember liking it even tho it was kinda tedious at the end,and i loved mgs1 and what i played of 2.

>> No.9037161

>>9037108
>>9037125
The word I was looking for is "disorienting". After dropping all these nukes on you, like EE's death, Otacon's past, Raiden's past, Rose's revelation, the AI thing, the game taunts you, pushes you
"hey, look, you stupid fuck, here's an absolutely new game mechanic for no fucking reason, learn it right now"
I was legitimately overwhelmed, overloaded. It's fucking mind-blowing.
They didn't break the fourth wall, they fucking nuked it, but it's somehow intact. Or is it?
What a fucking game, PEAK LUDO
Goddamn ps2bros, you've been hoarding all this kino huh

>> No.9037169

lol you are a total faggot dude

>> No.9037171

It's just so fucking masterfully designed. Everything is deliberate, calculated, thought-out thoroughly. I don't even have anything else to say, it's beautiful. You know the thing Snake and Raiden say about art and passing it on to the next generation? This piece of art is worth being passed on just like that. Fucking GOAT

>> No.9037174

>>9037169
yeah, by the way, why the fuck does raiden have such a nice female ass
not a faggot or anything haha

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>>9037108
You're a slowpoke, OP. Yeah, MGS2 is my favorite game of all time, but after MGS3, if you keep playing anything Kojima made, it becomes more and more apparent he was simply at the right place, at the right time, surrounded by the right people, especially during MGS2's development. Not only MGS4 undermines everything 2 did, his writing dropped off a cliff permanently. People love to downplay Fukushima's contributions but it's crystal clear Kojima can't do shit without him and probably other key members that were there at the time.

>> No.9037181

>>9037128
Very much. MG2 MSX is basically MGS in 2D and that's damn impressive.

>> No.9037189

>>9037108
>evil game design
There's haptic feedback, too, when she takes your hand, or climbs onto your back

>> No.9037404

kinda weird how raiden's like "eh, whatcha gonna do" after EE's death, but he's absolutely devastated when the russian mom dies

>> No.9037405 [DELETED] 

>>9037108
Reddit Gear Solid 2 sucks, get better taste you faggot

>> No.9037420

>>9037405
You're not impressing anyone, contrarifag.

>> No.9037439

>>9037169
why do you hate it when people enjoy things anon

>> No.9037549

>>9037439
because they arent the things i like and if you dont like what i like then youre probably a retarded faggot. i do not feel the need to provide any further explanation and i seek no further validation.

>> No.9037570

>>9037108
I dont even remember why people hated it back in the day, Ive always loved that game. In fact its the only mgs worth playing.

>> No.9037595

>>9037108
I think you probably have interpreted the game better on a first playthrough than most have. I played this game when I was 16, and was stuck on the whole "they aren't letting me play as Snake" conceit, and wanting more of the spy movie drama that the first MGS had. I remember listening to the AI reveal among that 40 minute cutscene leading up to the Solidus fight, thinking "wtf is all this techno pseudo sociology bull?" and because it wasn't setting the tone I would have wanted, I ignored a lot of it. I'm glad that you're embracing the narrative subtext, and enjoying it for what it is.

>> No.9037620

>>9037125
Too bad you need a ps2 or a ps3 controller to play otherwise the controls suck dick

>> No.9037671

>>9037620
why would you play it on anything else but a PS2 or the hd collection on PS3

>> No.9037724

>>9037108
Play MGS 3 next, you faggot, story is less meta and more straightforward, but it's the best game Kojima has ever made

>> No.9037739

>>9037161
> PEAK LUDO
> hoarding all this kino
Oh my god you're a tremendous retard, I don't even care if a tranny bans me, you're one of those. I want you to understand that among normal people, your kind is profoundly hated. We tolerate your bullshit out of base courtesy, but I wish we could make sure you're Banished from Earth, Classic Game Room broadcasts from the Intergalactic Space Arcade on its never-ending mission to review everything. haha nah, I'm kidding. you're cool, retard.

>> No.9037749

>>9037739
>anon posted his passive-aggressive sarcastic retort with exhalted glee, hoping for both conflict, and friendship
>"This will make a connection", he thought
>what anon didn't realize is that both of them were really just faggots all along

>> No.9037758

>>9037749
Friendship how? it's impossible by design. I'm only here to troll and the rare productive discussion. If you come here hoping for friendship, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry about that.

>> No.9037803

>>9037758
Friendship. Friendship? Again?

>> No.9038389

>>9037739
>holds up spork

>> No.9038392

>>9037570
The switch to Raiden sent some people loopy for some reason. The big twist at the end also went over a lot of people's heads. I remember a magazine I read regularly giving it a relatively low score because they thought the plot was nonsense. It was clear they just didn't really get it.

>> No.9038441

>>9037671
I emulated it with a dualsense, it was great

>> No.9038449

>>9037739
bro wtf are you talking about

>> No.9038695

mgs 1 and 2 aged like cheese
3 is the best balance between gameplay and story
4 goes full retard
5 has good gameplay but the story genuinely sucks

Best mgs related thing= Agnes kaku shitting on Kojima being a wish.com Tom Clancy ( which she 100% right about. I mean in the Amazon simulator his main character is called bridges- Jesus Christ Kojima is a low iq retard )

>> No.9038776

>>9037161
Shiddit post

>> No.9038782

>>9038449
your perm needs a touch-up

>> No.9038784

>>9038782
After two whole decades of Essex having them America finally has undercuts.

>> No.9038787

>>9037420
It's the same autist who replies to every thread replacing one word in a title with 'Reddit'. Just ignore him.

>> No.9038809

>>9037108
>>9037125
Stop saying “kino”. /tv/ is such a garbage board, anon. Please don’t be like them.

>> No.9038814

>>9038809
Oldfag here. I remember when /tv/ was good, before and during the Bane posting era. /vr/ is slowly turning into /tv/ where people with taste are leaving and the people who can only think in buzzwords ('soul', 'kino', 'Reddit') are shitting up every thread. When these people are confronted with their views, they become aggressive to compensate their lack of insight. Heed my warnings. Unless mods and jannies do their jobs properly this board will be /v/2.0 within half a year. The same thing happened to /vrpg/.

>> No.9038821

>>9038814
>gatekeeping is actually totally le good!
have you tried having sex?

>> No.9038824

>>9038821
/tv/ is absolute trash and /tv/ cross-posters deserve to be ridiculed until they stop coming to other boards.

>> No.9038840

>>9037108
You make these threads constantly.

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>>9037108
>>9037125
Reading this unironically makes me happy, thanks for sharing, OP.
I wish I could play mgs2 for the first time again.

>> No.9039012

>>9038695
>Agnes kaku
Hadn't heard of her, thank you for mentioning her interview anon, it's given me a good chuckle.

>> No.9039618

>>9037114
people mostly hated it in 2001 but it's gotten a much better reappraisal since the HD remake.
But not from gameplay, rather how prescient the game was

>> No.9039626

>>9039618
remaster and remake arent the same thing,confusing the two is very low IQ.

>> No.9039628

>>9038441
not as great as the two options i mentioned,as far as i know dualsense doesnt have pressure sensitive buttons.

>> No.9039642

>>9039626
they cut content you pedantic mid-wit
the game is different.

>> No.9039712

>>9039642
did they make the game again ?

>> No.9039749

>>9039642
What content was taken out of the HD version?

>> No.9039905

>>9039749
Removing a skateboard mini game means the HD version qualifies as a “remake”, I guess.

>> No.9039969

>>9037108
Baby's first pseud trip+overdose.

>> No.9039973

>>9038821
Yea I had sex a few hours ago in fact