/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9024104
still having issues with my vga monitor from the last thread ;_;

it drops sync unless i daisy chain an unnecessary adapter into the signal
i would imagine that its boosting the sync signal

how do i do this on my own?
i tested various other systems/adapters they all have the same issue

dreamcast looks great on it
i want to build a small setup in the corner as its technically the newest crt i own (2008)

>>9024156
to clarify i want to play hdmi devices on it (at the appropriate resolution/signal range) via hdmi2vga adapters

so far ive tried portta, tendak, and random generic white box adapters from ebay

they all fail unless i add pic related

>>9024165
for whatever retarded reason
this has vga in AND vga out

the irony is that i didnt use it for my mister setup as it added 2 frames of delay but didn't have the heart to toss it or give it away

now its the only thing keeping my emachines monitor alive ;_;

I just saw this 24" Sanyo on Facebook Marketplace. I like the size, but do you think the video inputs on the back actually don't work? It seem like whoever typed this up didn't know what they were saying and possibly doing.

>>9024473
cop it

just use the input that works
or repair the jack/cold solder

>>9024473
Just get it, chances are the dude didn't know what he was doing.
Maybe the inputs need cleaning or at worst, resoldering.

On a related topic, does anyone have that screencap with the anon who plugged composite cables to component on his PVM and wondered why it's not working?
I saw ir a few years ago and can't find it no more.

>>9024834
kek

>>9024104
Does anybody know why is the video squished on this monochrome monitor? The model number is Panasonic TR-120M1GS

>>9024860

>>9024860
Have you tried adjusting the geometry using the 240p test suite?

>>9024104
Do you think getting a commodore 1702 is worth it or should I save my pennies for a pvm?

Would there be any impact on the signal quality if I tried cutting an S-video cable and soldering it back together? I want to daisy chain video switchers together and I just need some short ass cables to do it, I was able to find some 3'' RCA jumpers for my purposes but I haven't been able to find an S-video cable any shorter than like 3 feet. I thought about just buying one and cutting it short and soldering it back together, but if that'll result in shit quality I'll think of something else.

>>9024969
Depends what you want to do. Old computer monitors are cheap, sharper than TVs and usually accept composite + s-video (separate chroma+luma) or even RGB.

>>9025018
You can, unless you fuck something up majorly there won't be any difference and I don't see why you would.

>>9024969
Unironically would consider them better for /vr/, those CRTs were usually a little higher TVL slot masks and give a good balance between being sharp but not too sharp, without super obnoxious and obvious scanlines.

I’m determined to buy this 20L5 no matter the cost.

>>9025680
Where are you?

>>9024473
>plug video signal into audio out terminal
>it doesn't play video
the guy is a retard

>>9024860
underscan option?

>>9025694
South Korea. Monitoring an auction right now that’s about $1200 at the moment.

If I want a small crt these days should I expect to not find any with component?

>>9025709
>South Korea
damn homie good luck.

>>9025702
I'm fairly certain it doesn't even have an audio out. That's why I'm extra confused.

>>9024104
i just grabbed this from up the road, hopefully itnworks, i can finally replace my magnavox 16 inch, hopefully my tv stand can support it
plan on playing the rest of super mario world with my 3 year old, she loves mario and gex

>>9026304
this is bait

>>9026343
No shit and you just fell for it. Just ignore.

>>9026343
what? i literally just grabbed this from up the road of my wifes parents house
i almost bought one for $150 last week
i dont know why you retard would think such garbage am i being trolled??

>>9026375
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/zip/d/toshida-crt-gamers-delight/7492972655.html
theres the one i was going to buy, but it was 135 miles away and i knew id find one sooner or later at the goodwill or on the road
ill post a pic of it when i get back home if it works

>>9026304
Good luck and have fun anon, looks good. Can't go wrong with those consumer Sonys, hope the tube still has lots of life left.

>>9026397
im pretty stoked. its clean besides the pollen that settled last night, it hasnt rained in 5 days here, and it wasnt outside yesterday. as soon as we are done grilling im going to set it up. i think megaman x will be the best first run, as far as audio and screen test can go given how many differentntvs ive played it on since the 90s
i need to get a stand though for sure, i dont think it will fit on the dresser im currently using, but we will see soon

it fucking works
i am so stoked right now, im gonna out my 12 inch magnavox in the attic fornjust in case
this baby is a fuckin BEAST
awesome sound quality too

>>9026876
and the little guy. he helped hold the door open
that fucking sony weighed 65 pounds at least
o7, magnavox you served me well for almost 25 years in emergency times
ill never replace you -- totally

Found if on the side of the road. Cleaned it. It works. How’d I do?

>>9026375
https://www.ebay.com/p/48201007
heres an ebay of one
the only thing close to the quality in my area for sale is $450
luck smiled upon me today for sure
it also barely fit with enough room to the wall on my dresser
WOOOOOOOO

>>9026876
Congrats anon

>>9026891
looks cute, im a sucker for wood finish. hows the sound quality, and what is its model number?

>>9026902
It’s a Zenith System 3 Space command, whatever that means to ya

>>9026891
Soulful. Great find, Anon

>>9026876
cool anon, congrats

>>9026876
Nice one anon
Looks great too
Probably just needs a brightness, contrast and saturation tuning and it’s all good

>>9024473
>>9024834
>>9024803
>>9025702
Yeah, the rear inputs work just fine. The guy just didn't know what he was doing.

Accidentally posted in the crt shader thread, reposting here...

I got an hdmi to component adapter so I could hook my gtx 1060 pc up to my samsung CRT TV. I thought it'd be as easy as nvidia control panel custom resolution, but nothing I do works. I tried custom resolution utility but it doesn't work. I have no clue what I'm doing wrong.
Most frustratingly, I actually -can- get nvidia control panel to display a correct image...Only during the test dialog. Soon as I click yes, it flickers and then it goes back to not working.
I'm at wits end. If I could just force nvidia control panel to not do whatever the FUCK it's doing after it tests the resolution it'd work fine.

These settings work until the test dialog finishes and then it's back to a jumbled mess.

>>9027287
Are you just using your crt or do you have a monitor plugged in too? Try unplugging the monitor.

I am very happybto finally have a nice table that can hold this. It cost $80 at a thrift store, but after a good cleaning it looks almost brand new and can hold apparently a 35inch CRT/175lbs.

>>9027065
Hooray for retards. Glad you saved that crt.

>>9027291
Yeah I have a monitor hooked up cause otherwise naturally I get just jumbled mess. Problem now is I can't get it to even apply that custom resolution to windows, windows is only seeing 800x600 for it at the lowest. Even though if I go into nvidia panel and click on custom it shows the resolution there, but it doesn't seem to want to actually register it as a resolution for some reason.

>>9027313
I can get CRU to make a custom res for windows, but then setting it and unplugging my monitor still doesn't make it work.

>>9027323
Wait I somehow got image working. But it's overscanned to hell and back and whining like an absolute ear bleeding bitch.

>>9027343
Nevermind. I was trying to fix overscan and set the amount to something it clearly really fucking doesn't like, everytime I connect it it totally fucks everything up so I can no longer edit the setting for it.
So, I can't do anything with it now. It's completely fucked. :/

>>9027383
Worked around and got it working through CRU, through my igpu hdmi. My nvidia hdmi port is forever cursed now.
But now I just have to find the correct settings to have it not overscanned to hell and back.

I have an Ikegami PVM. I never heard of Ikegami before but once I found out it's a Japanese brand and the CRT I have was manufactured in Japan during the 00s I had to have it. The picture on it is beautiful and it's not burnt in or washed out.

Not vidya but where can I find betamax rips? I've never seen betamax video play and want to see what it's like.

>>9027287
Try GrooveyArcade. It's the only way I could get my CRT to output signals from a PC.

>>9028071
Did you just buy that on eBay for like $80? Because if so I saw that listing.

>>9028106
No, mine's an Ikegami TM-14 that I got for free. It's actually made in Japan and there's no on screen display at all and everything is configured via physical inputs. What sold on Ebay for $80?

>>9027287
Use CRU for resolutions and specifically for the output of the CRT.

Restart and then select the resolution for that specific monitor either with ArcadeOSD (google it) or under "List all modes" in Right click desktop > Display Settings > Advanced > Display adapter properties for... (for the HDMI component converter).

If you deleted all the 31kHz modes and just left 15kHz, the TV will always show a 15kHz mode anyways as long as the display is enabled in the monitor properties in Windows. Things like RA will auto switch with CRT SwitchRes on if you make several modes (240p 60Hz, 288p 50Hz, 240p 59Hz, etc).

>>9027343
>>9027383
You have to play around with the mode, just putting in 320x240p won't be enough most of the time, you can adjust front and back porch and other timings to get good geometry without having to mess up the TVs settings (if it's already calibrated).

Also is that what you're trying to do: >>9027287 ?
Unless you have a PVM or later HD consumer set that specifically does 31kHz, do not send 480p into it, only send 240p/288p, you need 15kHz not 31kHz, it can actually damage the set.

>>9027398
That's what I get for not reading the whole post chain before posting, glad you got it to work.
Shouldn't have any problems with CRY and Nvidia though.

I'll leave the other replies if there's any info in them you find useful.

>>9028094
It should work with everything, even just Windows, unless there's a problem somewhere.

>>9028071
What specific model, they are really nice. If you have a htm gg.

>>9028071
Aren’t ikegami the guys who made donkey kong and sued Nintendo?

>>9028071
>ikegami
>pvm
come again?

>>9028426
retard

>>9028426
>not a Professional Video Monitor
Wait, wait, do you think PVM is a Sony trademark or something and not a term for specific kind of hardware?

>>9028482
PVM is a Sony product line. The fact that the words that the acronym stand for can be applied to other companies' products doesn't really mean anything.
These types of professional video monitors are typically referred to as production or broadcast monitors, with pvm used specifically in reference to the product line.
How do I know? I'm a geezer thats been working in film production for 20 years.
Now, would anyone like to buy a pvm or bvm in los angeles?

>>9028508
PVM means Professional Video Monitor, simple as. Nothing directly to do with Sony outside of sony having their own line of PVM monitors, several other companies do too.
No reason to LARP, there's nothing to argue or discuss in the first place.

>>9028517
>larp
Ikegami exclusively makes professional grade products. They don't have a CVM line.
Hell, even the word monitor is indicative of it being professional equipment.

>>9028554
He’s right, however it’s just accepted colloquially that professional monitors are called PVM’s

I know buying CRTs is a meme, but is $100 for a 36" FV300 a good deal? Not too many decent TVs in my area anymore, plus it comes with a stand.

>>9028572
What I'm saying is that that's accepted colloquially in new(er) retro gaming circles. And even then it's a relatively new phenomenon. Even as recently as a year or two ago people were very deliberate with their wording. Now everyone seems to know only three terms, trinitron, pvm, and crt.
In film production, if you rent a pvm from a rental house, and they show up with anything besides a Sony, the rental house isn't getting paid.
Similarly, if you rent a bvm, and you're delivered a pvm, someone's getting fucking booted off the set. Even though the bvm is a professional video monitor, a pvm is likely missing very important features.
All I'm saying is that the terms are specific.

>>9028596
>paying more than $10 for any crt
ishygddt

>>9028554
>Hell, even the word monitor is indicative of it being professional equipment.
Not in the 80's or 90's, computer monitors were already a thing and extremely popular, while targeted at the consumer market. Why does everyone think VGA is the only kind of computer monitor.

>>9028554
I too was once hired to be the guy who carries shit at an expo for a exhibit

No reason to LARP, any time you claim an argument by "Trust me because I'm X" as a anonymous use instead of making an actual argument, it's LARP that you can never disprove, even if you have solid facts, since you're already a retarded faggot who has no fucking idea what being anonymous or having actual arguments outside of "trust me bro I'm a fucking faggot and I know where AIDS comes from" and nobody will take you seriously from that point onwards

>>9028691
>anonymous use
user*

Next time just include full name and CV since you already missed the point of making arguments on a anonymous forum

>>9028691
>>9028694
Why did you delete your posts?

>>>9028554
>I too was once hired to be the guy who carries shit at an expo for a exhibit

>No reason to LARP, any time you claim an argument by "Trust me because I'm X" as a anonymous use instead of making an actual argument, it's LARP that you can never disprove, even if you have solid facts, since you're already a retarded faggot who has no fucking idea what being anonymous or having actual arguments outside of "trust me bro I'm a fucking faggot and I know where AIDS comes from" and nobody will take you seriously from that point onwards

>>anonymous use
>user*
>Next time just include full name and CV since you already missed the point of making arguments on a anonymous forum

>>9028709
Because I just wanted to get the point across instead of shitting up the thread, it's annoying that this place is literally plebbit these days with "check my posting history I'm a pro about this" level retardation.

>>9028713
Fair enough

>>9028426
>>9028554
how insecure you have to be to act like this
no wonder boomers these days are mostly pussies

How do I fix the calibration on the right side of underscan from not curving inward a bit? The right side of the screen is tilted inward like this ( though not by much.

>>9028742

>>9028747
what crt? probably have to open it up and adjust pots, unless it's newer and might have a menu for it if you have a remote

>>9028752
That's what I'm doing. There's like 20 different ones

>>9028754
might be that you can't even adjust it in a menu or with pots and you'd have to adjust the magnets (or even add some) onto the tube itself
some crts use those to adjust the bigger geometry problems

>>9028127
This

I kinda wish I'd bid on it. But I don't really want to play old games on a PVM. Games/dithering/whatnot was designed for the softness of a CRT TV.

I'd like to hook a PVM or old CRT computer monitor into my desktop PC for watching old anime, but that's a lot of space/effort and I'm not sure my desk could take it as is.

>>9028810
Might want to go for a smaller computer monitor then, not as sharp and still small and light.

>>9028810
PVMs can take composite input if you need that blur. They're the swiss army knife of retro gaming for a reason.
>>9028815
Computer monitors are still very sharp and aren't gonna blend dithering. Those things were made for work, not gaming.

Yisss. I wait until dark to pray my gaems.

>>9028821
>PVMs can take composite input if you need that blur. They're the swiss army knife of retro gaming for a reason.
If anon hooks it up to a computer anyways, he can just use composite filters if it's still too sharp.

>Computer monitors are still very sharp and aren't gonna blend dithering. Those things were made for work, not gaming.
Not really, a 600 TVL 14" shadow or slot mask monitor is going to be less sharp than the a 9" or even 14" PVM, specially if it's a AG like Sony's.
They still blend dithering if you use composite too, which almost all have but I'd recommend one with at least RGB if you want to hook it up to your modern computer.

>Those things were made for work, not gaming.
They weren't that different from TVs of the time, just slightly better quality, slightly sharper. Not really perfect for working but perfect for gaming.

Are Chunghwa tubes made in Taiwan good? I'm a bit disappointed that I don't have a Mitsubishi tube.

>>9028837
>a 600 TVL 14" shadow or slot mask monitor is going to be less sharp than the a 9" or even 14" PVM
How many consumer monitors are 600+ TVL?

>>9028925
Some later Multiscan monitors that also did 31kHz VGA modes are definitely over 600 TVL. I wouldn't recommend those though, too sharp for /vr/, might as well get a bigger VGA monitor if you need higher resolution progressive modes.
Most 15kHz computer monitors though fell between 400 - 600 TVL.

>>9028412
I don't have a HTM. I have an Ikegami TM14-17RZ, there's 3 different models that are similar but this is the one that I have
https://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=805319

>>9024473
It sounds like he tried plugging a composite cable into the audio out port and no audio came out, what a surprise. Probably nothing wrong with it.

>Community college near me is having a surplus auction
>20 inch Panasonic Tau I would like to have but is being sold in a lot with 8 other CRTs

Shame, if I could take home the Tau only.

>>9029335
Are they all 20" or smaller? You could keep the Tau and rehome the rest if you had a temporary space for them, might even make a buck or two.

This feels like a dumb question but is there a right way of setting up a mono audio game system to a stereo tv

>>9029356
I guess you'll need something like that if the set does not have a option to turn mono into stereo

>>9029372
search for RCA Y splitter and make sure it looks like on the pic

Alternatively this could work too if you already have a stereo+video cable and the console has only one rca mono output

>>9029372
>>9029375
Doesn't splitting audio like that fuck with the volume levels or is that not a problem?

>>9029354
I think the biggest CRTs they have are a 27" Sony Wega and a 27" Philips Magnavox. I'd probably would have bought the lot, but I don't have the transport for them nor the space since I live in an apartment with roommates.

>>9029383
Not really, there might be slight decrease in overall volume but nothing you should even notice, if anything it will be louder since both speakers playing instead of one. You're doing one source to two inputs, not two sources to one input, which is more of a mess and shouldn't be done the same way as shown above.

>>9029386
Find the guy who manages to get them, ask them if they would be okay selling you the one. Maybe they are there more for the fun than being a reseller scum.

>>9027302
Is PSX the single most comfy console to play on a CRT? I think so.

Already posted this in another thread, but it's so good it's almost too sharp.
I play Atari 2600 jr. and Commodore Amiga 500 on it.

How long does an image need to be on screen before I worry about burn-in?

>>9029993
Weeks.

>>9029993
Lots of factors determine this
Mostly contrast and brightness intensity with a white colour

>>9028747
is that a pvm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2UpF-D7wDw

>>9024156
>>9024165
>>9024169
hello faggots back with an update
this shit now works thanks to a genderchanger
this is the cheapest way & requires zero power/plugs

ill test more after my shift
do NOT make tranny jokes

>>9030495
dreamcast via hyperkin shitmon upscaler and scanline generator (poorly configured but ill tinker with it later i was just testing sync)

How good a soldering iron do I need for working on a CRT? I'm just looking for something "good enough", I'm probably not going to use it an awful lot.

>>9030586
If you're just doing something basic like trying to reflow rca inputs or maybe do an rgb mod you can get away with some basic handheld like a pinecil. If you ever want to do something like replace capacitors though you'll really want a proper solder station to do any desoldering.

>>9030591
What?
Replacing capacitors and resolve ring is fine with a Pinecil
It’s when you do SMD stuff or actually plan to do this stuff regularly to earn money that you’ll want a decent soldering station
A Pinecil and a wick is more than enough

>>9030595
>resolve ring
Desoldering*

>>9030591
>>9030595
I have one I want to do an RGB mod on, and was thinking of maybe doing a cap replacement on another set in the future. What's a solid option to do all that? Elsewhere online I keep seeing reccs for like $300 stations and no shot am I paying that much.

>>9030607
my iron is literally a piece of shit
i have made thousands of dollars selling/repairing

i dont give a fuck
but i always advise people to spend atleast $50-100 on a nonshit kit
i constantly burn myself and my power cord is comically short

>>9030276
That RGB line only shows during 16:9 mode or underscan. It doesn't show in normal scanb but yes it's a PVM

Any anons here living in the GTA need a free trinitron monitor. Someone on this general donated a HP P1110 a while back so I'm paying ot forward now

>>9030828
That's awesome, anon. Super nice of you.

My brother lives in GTA and is looking for a CRT for his old machines.
Care to drop me a email? Here's my random cock.li email you can send to: pinkz@cock.li

I'll call him up then and forward your contact to him. He has a car and can pick it up himself.

>>9030789
A lot of monitors have that in 16:9 mode. JVC DT-V series have the lines as well.

Do you guys ever avoid crts if the person in the reflection taking the picture is really fat or greasy looking?

>>9031441
no but you're pretty based for doing so

>>9031441
No, not white on the other hand…

Battletoads beaten on 3 Sansuis and a Panasonic…the madman…
https://youtu.be/9I07yZWel4c

Yeah

>>9032073
Oh yeah

>>9032073
Hmm! 480i?

>>9030501
>>9030495
ok i know this looks like shit but in person i cant believe how good it looks

adapter runs perfect
no external power needed
no lag, its the newest crt i own
has tons of features to simulate a curved screen

ive been playing arcade games on it

>>9032302
Doesn't look that bad at all, enjoy anon.

>>9030495
I bought this same adapter a few weeks ago to try and get my Switch to output to my CRT. It didn't work. It actually wouldn't output the right resolution from anything to my CRT. Maybe I should just refund it. I had ine plugged in the same exact as yours, even the same gender changer.

>>9032470
Mate, the switch doesn’t output 480i, which is what you need
If you want to downscale your resolution you need a gbs-control or something

just got this trinitron that was on the curb but I don't have enough room for it in my apartment, what do i do

>>9032527
you could try not collecting trash you mentally ill faggot retard

>>9032527
give it to a real man

>>9032527
You need to get it inside and put it anywhere exce[t the bathroom or they'll be another CRT casuality.

>>9027302
Is that Ridge Racer 4? Based.

>>9032481
scanline generator also downscales (you can turn the lines off if you hate them)

>>9032527
make room? closet it

>>9032906
?
Why would it downscale if its purpose is generating scanlines

Fun game

I’ve noticed on my crt that composite blacks are lighter than component blacks. Like LED level vs OLED level, is that normal? Should I make my composite brightness darker?

>>9033080
Don't quote me on this but I think calibration changes from console to console and even type of input/cables.
Just calibrate yours using the best cable and connection you have (component in your case I think) and leave it at that

>>9033080
Yes, but not nearly LCD levels like you’re saying, component separates the luma signal where as composite combines all the signals down the one cable so you kind of get more of a glow

>>9032982
because it squeezes down the resolution to a certain size - i only know this bc i got the "out of range" signal warning on my 1up panels when trying to send jamma hardware to screen

im just saying its the cheapest solution that is still usuable/playable

>>9033240
>calibration changes from console to console and even type of input/cables.
Inputs usually do have different calibration.

>>9033259
This. Difference shouldn't be that big. But composite has more noise in the luma channel.

>>9032527
make room, it isn't hoarding if it has value

Do I really need color gels and shit to calibrate my tv? It's just a little off and idk what but it's driving me crazy

What's would you say is an average price for a 20" multiformat pvm? 20L5 or something like that. Keeping in mind thst prices are inherently and permanently gouged at this point. $1000?$2000?

>>9034023
Too expensive to bother buying, that's what.

>>9034023
200€

What's this zoomer CRT meme?

>>9032527
took it and cleaned it up a bit, looks nice. no remote so I'm waiting for one to get shipped. I'm moving to a new bigger place soon, so I'll have room for it there. until then it'll sit in the hallway.

>>9034413

>>9034413
>>9034415
used on a GameCube with prism component cables

Does my image look okay? I'm using a genesis emulator on Wii over component. I feel like it's too blue, the purple of the flowers blends in with the water when it should be lilac according to reference photos, the sky I think should be darker too. But I could just be going insane

>>9034523
shit, wrong photo

>>9033893
SMPTE color bars. it's on 240p test suite and i think avs forums has dvd images for it. if your tv doesn't have blue-only mode then edit it in photoshop or whatever and get that image on the tv however you can (the better quality signal the better, obviously). this should get you most of the way there. if it still doesn't look right after that then go for a colorimeter or whatever.

>>9034523
>>9034524
Look at other peoples pictures on Google Images and adjust accordingly to your liking.

>>9034413
Looks nice. Will you have the original remote? If you can get access to the service menu you’ll be able to make some tweaks. It already looks good though.

>>9034952
I bought the same remote model on ebay, should be here by Monday. The geometry is fine for me, however I do need the remote to make that input display dissappear. what tweaks do you recommend?

>>9034992
>input display wont fuck off
why is this fucking horshit allowed
my zenith does this now &
im not sure if i still have the remote since the move

>>9035340
The info button fixes it
Most Phillips universal remotes work

>>9024104
Can I pick up an Aristona CRT TV and use it as a gaming monitor? My gpu has an analogue out vga port. But I assume the TV won't.
For context, you can pick these up for like 10$, free if you're lucky

Will it possible to add component input to this jungle? The F blanking pin is active, but connected to C-input.

>>9036186
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wCW1wLNlXCu1jzGtxl0t99RCGDEKpY7I/view?usp=sharing

The tvouts composite and s video shaders are nice. They really just introduce artifacts on the colours, so sending a RGB signal to my CRT with a composite filter looks like it's really using composite. I like to use this shader for 8 bit systems because RGB is too sharp for them.

Anybody else tried the tvout filters? They're in the presets folder.

>>9036393
There's a thread about this: >>9033871

>>9029428
Based

>>9024104
Is composite enough?

>>9036409
Of course, looks good
You want to use composite for such consoles

>>9036052
What TV? What inputs? HDMI to component should work, I guess you're not in Europe, otherwise VGA to RGB SCART is an option.

>>9036409
Depends on console. For a Mega Drive it's enough.

>>9032079
I dont know. I am blown away at how good this looks. It just must be my model of tv and s-video cable.

I am using a Panasonic 1999 version of tv i believe.

This halo looks like it was remastered or something.

>>9036506
It does look good

How do I learn to stop caring about alignment and colors and shit? I spend most of my time in the service menu instead of playing games because it drives me fucking crazy

>>9036550
Just accept it and try to enjoy it.

>>9036409
>>9036410
>>9036468
This was actually a test for another thread ( >>9036608 )

It's just RetroArch with shaders over RGB on a 15kHz CRT TV.

>>9036393
Check out above and the thread. There's a lot of options.

>>9036614
I feel lied to

>>9036464
I'm in Europe. Idk what tv. People literally just list them as "Aristona TV". They're cheap because they don't know what they got. If you look for listings with "CRT" in them they're always more expensive because of the meme tax.
I'll see if I can figure out what imputs these use and what adapters exist.

>>9036642
Where in Europe? Are there places in Europe where you can't pick up a Sony Trinitron consumer set with SCART RGB in for free or 10 eur?

>>9036650
I have no idea, thanks for the recommendation. I'll check

>>9036692
Do check. Local sales places, I don't know where you are so I can't recommend.
You can also put up an ad yourself you're looking, someone will probably see and offer you a old CRT TV they have laying around and want to get rid of.

>>9036516
I use a power outlet conditioner too. So it might be that

Is it possible to run a PC CRT monitor in a resolution of 1792x1344? 1344 is the 6x integer of 224.

>>9036774
as long as it has a high enough horizontal frequency, you should be able to. that said, it would probably be better to go for 5x integer instead since the highest most monitors go is 1600x1200. there's like, one 4:3 sony monitor that's higher and it'll be fuckexpensive if you can find it. using a lower resolution than a monitor's maximum will have a little bit of a scanline effect, but as long as it's above like half the resolution it won't be very noticeable. also if it's just integer scaling 240p games pretty much any monitor will work just as well.

any other /crt/anons develop vhs autism? ive got over 100 tapes in the last couple months and most of them are dirt cheap

>>9036774
>>9036809
Considering you'll be running at 60Hz to keep compatibility with /vr/ games without having issues like double images, you only need a 83kHz or better monitor, which is very low end for VGA PC CRTs. Just create a custom resolution that size with CRU and you should be golden.

Your plan is to integer scale and use shaders?

>since the highest most monitors go is 1600x1200
Monitors just have horizontal and vertical frequency limitations, most monitors are 120Hz, those better Trinitrons you talk about are 160-180 or uncapped in vertical and at least 85kHz in horizontal, usually 120kHz+ even. As long as your resolution + refresh rate fits inside those limitations, you can display it.

>using a lower resolution than a monitor's maximum will have a little bit of a scanline effect
Using low resolutions on a high pitch CRT will always, 480p will have scanlines too on a high pitch CRT.
You won't see any scanlines at 960p though even on a CRT that have a maximum resolution on 1920p.

>>9036774
I just tried it and it worked perfectly with Windows 10 and Nvidia control panel custom resolution utility.
As long your monitor supports the frequency it should work.

>having better results with a component to VGA converted on my PC CRT than multiple HDMI to VGA adapters I've tried
Is HDMI really supposed to be this hard to work with? At least now I have a way to get my PS3 (and PS2/PS1) to output to it.

>>9036943
HDMI is a closed standard with little flexibility, it was never meant for things like that
DP is the successor to VGA and DVI

>>9036869
i don't think 85kHz is gonna display 1792x1344@60. i just plugged it into a calculator and got 110.5kHz

>>9036810
It's nostalgic watching them but I only pick up new tapes for free or near free and don't go out of my way to look for them so I rarely get new ones.

>>9037078
You must have fucked something up.
Rounding 1344 up to total pixels, 1393*60 is 83580Hz or 83kHz. Total vertical resolution times refresh rate.

That's all you need to know to know the horizontal frequency required.

>>9037105
that sounds correct. must have been the calculator i used

>>9036516

>>9037321

>>9037363

>>9037374
Based

>>9037380
https://streamable.com/tlqz9w

This would be a nice .gif

>>9037391
I thought webm made more sense, here.

Furniturelet here, can particleboard hold a CRT?

>>9037535
yes

>>9037535
it depends on the CRT and the particleboard

>>9037535
depends how it's built ultimately but yes

>>9036810
I started doing this too because tapes cost next to nothing. I was able to get a pretty cool VCR too, but it ate one of my tapes when I tried to use it so I haven't really bothered with it ever since.

>>9036810
I don't like these things because they're usually pan and scan but you got some cool movies

Favorite game to show off a crt with?

Which monitor would you keep?
Bvm-d20f1u with 14k hours but a tiny scratch on screen or bvm-d20f1u with 30k hours but no scratch. Not sure if either has scratch protection film on it.

>>9037972
I'd sell them both for meme prices and get a cheap but much better for /vr/ old computer and also a VGA computer monitor for 240p/480i and the other one for progressive modes.

>>9037563
>>9037558
The CRT is 20" with a built in vhs and dvd player. The table has metal legs with wheels and a particle board top but no metal bars going across underneath the wood to support it.

>>9037972
Is the scratch in the Center? Prob keep the 14k, with the crt being on, you most likely won’t see it while playing .

Where u @ yurop?

So this is how my JVC I'Art looked when I got it. It seemed to be a bit tilted to the right and I could tell something was a bit off. Well I finally worked up the courage to work the service menu after finding the horizontal position setting and went from this

>>9038043
To this. If you zoom in some more on both pics you can see the first pic has about three colums of color "missing". There is still a bit of "warpness" but nothing you can't really notice unless you are eye ball close to the screen.

FF8

>>9038043
>>9038049
Well done anon, now play and enjoy.

>>9032075
Always looks so cool. I don't even like anything Xbox, but I have to concede that is the coolest home menu of all time imho

>>9038069
And it's rendered real time, even the intro splash is

>>9038064
Thanks. I was playing Ridge Racer 4 and Paper Mario, but I knew that this was a simple fix but just kept psyching myself out.
Another after shot

>>9038096
And fuller before shot

The only thing I worry about is of the colors are too bright, as when I compare to LttP on my Switch the colors seem more "darker". I assume this us just standard CRT things, but still I just worry about the remaining life span of said CRT.

>>9038103
Actually this is a better view of how distracting it could look before hand. Still need to double check how it looks on RR4 but it should look more in lined.

are 32 inch tvs avoided because they're bad or because they're heavy

>>9038096
>GGGG
literally me

>>9038113
Depends how far you sit and depends on TV, if it works, had a good picture and has at least composite, I'd say it's good, even if it's bigger than 32.

>>9038121
That was an accident as I mean to play the second file and just spammed G for some reason.

>>9038032
>>9037980
I have a few and am selling most for meme prices but keeping one.
I have a nice 20" computer monitor too that I use for retro pc.
Not in yurop. Scratch is maybe centerish. I don't know. I didn't notice it until I was stashing it away. All I ever did with the monitor was turn it on, test for functionality and log the hours.

>>9038063
FF1 (PS1)

>>9038210
FF4 (PS1)

>>9038113
Not really, it’s mostly because they’re not common
A lot of people don’t have space for bigger sets too
The main downside in my opinion is the higher you go, the lower the overall image sharpness is

>>9038210
I hate to be that guy
But this seems so soul-less compared to the nes cart, i know the ps1 fixed many bugs and had quality of life features added but god damn

>>9038425
sauce: strip fighter tg16/pc enginekun

so how are you guys connecting to your pc to the CRT?
the 480i signal on most converters are pretty gnarly
i'd rather have 240p

>>9038487
av2hmdi chinkbox
it adds lag but i hook toaster pc up for vlc not gaymen

for a low latency solution im thinking like the other anon said, displayport>vga and then editing your wangblows settings
i'd recommend having a separate PC for this

>>9038425
Have you forgotten where you are? We aren’t on Reddit here son. Post the uncensored version niggerfaggot.

>>9038574
no the jannies will ban me again

>>9038574
I already posted sauce
instead of the spoon you can have my post-nut penis

>>9038573
>av2hmdi chinkbox
aren't all those 480i signal?
i know mine is

>>9038487
I built one of these
https://www.retrotink.com/post/vga2ntsc-released

You can often find similar transcoders on eBay

>>9038487
There is a thread about this right now >>9033473

>>9038734
Yes, hard locked to 480i usually

>>9038758
Don't need to go this complex either if you have RGB as a Input option
Pretty much any TV with SCART will work for RGB

PAL could have been perfect if not for the framerate

Why was there never a superior format with the resolution of PAL and the framerate of NTSC?

What's the best/easiest way to watch old movies on a CRT? With my modern OLED, I just stream from my Plex server. But for my CRT, there's what?

I was thinking of burning myself a DVD collection. How can I hardcode subtitles to the video and convert to a playable DVD format for burning?

>>9037972
the one with more hours most certainly isn't going to get any worse just from gaming
I'd compare them side by side and keep whichever looks better

>>9038871
CRTs that accept 18kHz over RGB exist

>>9038898
Hook a Pi or your PC up to it

>>9038917
18khz?
>>9038919
I have a Linux mini PC with pretty much just Retroarch on it that I have hooked up to my CRT via VGA. It's not like I can just use another program to watch videos. Retroarch wouldn't be usable either if not for switchres. Most video playing software is't made for playing videos at 240p. Using a GUI on my CRT is a mess I don't even bother except with Retroarch. If I need to do something more involved than that I'll ssh into it

I have as well a DVD/VHS player combo hooked up to my CRT

>>9038898
Ps3 + Component + Media Server? You won't get 240p of course, but 480i for movies is not as bad as for games.

As CRTs become more scarce, will it be possible to put high end boards onto different tubes? And even new boards being made with all the features and put onto older working tubes.

>>9038964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zget1P8ptho

>>9038964
You want to use 480i for video anyways.

>>9039000
Retroarch's video player doesn't even have any features. It won't even load subtitles.

>>9039010
what subtitles do you expect do see at 240p? use 480i for video

>>9039013
I don't want to use Retroarch's video player

>check craigalist for monitors
>bvms listed for $2k
>lol yeah right
>check again 2 days later
>they're sold
what the actual fuck

>>9039108
>meanwhile in Europe you can find the same PVM for 200 eur

>>9024104
Just started get back into collecting ps2/n64. Got this crt from marketplace last week and I am really happy with it. The silent hill games look 10/10 on a crt, same with Majora.

>>9038898
>>9038964
>>9039000
>>9039010
>>9039013
>I have as well a DVD/VHS player combo hooked up to my CRT
What the fuck is this conversation lmao. Just use your dvd player and handbrake to burn in the sutbtitles.

>>9039180
nice set, anon. geometry looks good

>>9038584
Bruh link it from a other board

>>9033473
>>9038468
Can confirm now that MiSTer VGA to SCART cables work for 240p from your PC if you have a card that can natively output 15kHz or a HDMI or DP dongle that does.

So together with a DP to VGA adapter like DeLOCK 62967, it's a sub-50€ option to get the best 15kHz RGB experience from even modern GPUs.

>>9039240
>RGB
Composite looks better, period

>>9039246
You can still get composite effects over RGB when emulating from your PC.

See
>>9036409
>>9036614

A question for you all: You don't call the gaps between scanlines "scanlines", do you? You are not a retarded hipster, right?

>>9039253
No, those are gridirons

>>9039253
Those are blank lines. The scan-line is the lines that's SCANNED by the electron beam.
Seeing scanlines means there have to be blank lines too, otherwise you wouldn't easily be able to notice the scanlines and vice versa.

>>9039253
Let me ask you too. Do you think TVL is the horizontal or vertical resolution?

Reds on s video look magenta, I can up the green tint to compensate but it messes with composite video because they share the same settings. Looks fine on composite. Help?

>>9040108
>SHARP
>the picture is blurry
baka scams I swear

I've got my PC CRT set-up as good as it is going to get.
Time to play some games.
Except....
I can't think of anything I want to play.

>>9037543
>>9037558
>>9037563
I went out to a thrift store and got a different table today that I feel better about. Now I'm ready to play. The TV came with me from my parents' house and I have fond memories with it. PS2 is also my original PS2. Don't mind the dust, I moved some things around to make room and haven't tidied up yet.

>>9040192
Very nice, enjoy anon and have fun.

>>9040108
Check the tint/hue setting

>>9040243
Is that a service menu thing or is it in the normal menu typically? I have in there brightness, r/g tint, picture, color etc.

>>9024104
>TFW don't want any more CRT's but this ones free down the coast

>>9038112
>>9038103
In addition to my posts, while looking in thr service menu I say a setting called "VSO" or "VCO" and say this message that says "Too High". Would anyone know what that means?

>>9040252
it's usually a normal menu setting, sometimes it's just on the remote

>>9040471
Also this is a better view of the grid layout now. I feel the bottom vertical is a but too low, but that shouldn't cause me any issues and I never really notice any difference. I would of played more on it, but my cat cries as soon as I head in my room and I hate to leave him alone.

Is it normal for component to have a nicer color gamut than composite / s video, or should it only affect sharpness? On my tv the latter two have more orange-y yellows and bluer greens on the same image as component

>>9040827
Normal. RF - Composite - S-Video - Component - RGB in terms of color gamut and quality, from bad to best.

>>9040827
yes, but those others shouldn't be orange, it could be due to the settings saved on those channels

>>9040846
I'm the anon that had the magenta reds earlier, I corrected it in the service menu by changing the tint but that could affect things. There's three settings in my service menu for R, G, and B cutoff, as well as b drive and g/r drive for each video source. Would adjusting any of these do the trick? I might try adjusting them to the same as the component settings

>>9040925
no

>>9039238
why
i gave a source
the rest of the girls are even hotter play it yourself for a laugh

Rate my haul.
Both were free, 15 min drive
Left has only RF but I love the look and has the original remote.
Right is nothing special but has stereo sound and scart input, I plan on using it for most gaming needs do I don't ruin my more expensive sets (got a PVM and hueg B&O one too)

>>9041170
The Philips looks pretty neat, has a certain aesthetic to it that some people would find pretty charming. Lifetec CRT looks cheap and tacky, but would probably make a good desk CRT.

>>9041230
The Philips looks really good as well, I'm one of those people who find this look charming, i won't be playing too much on it so it doesn't deteriorate any further.

The Lifetec one with RGB input looks really sharp but the image is squished into 16:9 mode and with no remote I can't fix that yet, yes for a desk it's more than enough.

I want to install a computer case fan in my CRT. It has no mounting point for a fan, but the case has little holes for ventilation in the sheet metal that would be perfect to put screws and a bolt through for mounting a fan. The question is, what do I do about the power source? I'm sure that my TV has juice but where do I tap into it? I'm sure that a case fan would drop the operation temp of my TV considerably and prolong the life of it.

>>9041230
Tacky? It's unbearably generic and looks incredibly cheap. Tacky would be an imrovement.

Have you cursed retards for mutilating good TV's with MUH RGB meme and reducing its lifetime?
https://twitter.com/usa_retro/status/1540814838674477060

>>9041359
You are correct, which is why I plan on daily using it and abuse it.
I have been looking for a small set like this for a while.

>>9032527
Buy a house you poorfag box-dweller

>>9036810
You got some pretty cool movies. I took my parents' VHS tapes when they sold their house and moved to the Pacific Coast. They had 100+ tapes, I threw out the shit movies and exercise videos and kept the good stuff, probably about 70 left. Occasionally I'll pick up iconic titles for free or near-free, but I'm not particularly interested in going out of my way to grow the collection.

>>9037535
I took my parents' 200-lb, 36" D-series (seeing a trend here?) and bought an IKEA Lack TV stand to hold it up. It was supposed to be a "temporary" measure, but here we are, 4 years later, and it's still fine.

Some day I'll get around to building a solid wood stand but for now, this is good enough.

>>9039180
Looks good, anon. A mediocre set with good geometry and low hours beats a worn-out broadcast monitor with shit geometry and a worn out tube.

>>9041238
>>9041170
The Philips looks really cool and the tube seems to be in good shape.What inputs does it have?

>>9041953
>what inputs does it have
Rf only on the back and this one on the front side, though im not sure what's it for, something to do with audio I think, consodering the small switch besides it

>>9041836
you could've posted an example if you wanted me to, but the specs for this one say it was composhit only.

>>9042935
>>9040832
Sure pixelfag

>>9041836
You can do what you want to things you own. This isn't North Korea.

>>9042954
>pixelfag
What do you even mean??

People are posting theirs?
I'll post mine.

>>9041836
>reducing its lifetime

>>9043092
RGB reduces TV lifetime

>>9043098
explain why you think this

>>9043157
>instead of a single signal, it's three different ones, three times more power

>>9043160
Oh, you're a moron good to know

Played Stadium 2 with my gf on my 20M4E. So much fun

got these two beauties for $25 each. little steep for an rf only tv but the guy said they've never been used, and i believe it, they're immaculate. plus their remotes and antennas were still factory sealed, so was one of the plugs

Interested in crts, should I avoid them and stick to filters if I'm too scared to open them up and adjust stuff?

>>9043340
luck is a factor. if you get a CRT that's verified to work correctly it will probably only have issues you can fix through the service menu, if not just the user settings. if you get a CRT with failing capacitors and apparent symptoms of it, there's nothing you can do about that without opening it up, but that's not super likely.
for PC monitors newer is better pretty much, for TVs you want something from the early aughts with component input.
look around in your area for free shit, if you don't have *any* CRTs, even a small composite-only set may be worth picking up.

>>9042054
That's an 8 pin din connector. It's probably just an audio connector but I had a TV that used one of those as a composite video connector for a VCR. Plenty of old computers used them for hooking up monitors too, although I doubt the socket on your TV was meant for that. Considering the age of it, I'd wager it's meant for hooking up to your hi-fi.

>>9043160

>>9043598
I figured as much, thank you for confirming it

hey /crt/ I hooked connected my snes to an old crt I picked up from my great uncle's a couple of years ago, I haven't tried it until now. This is the output I'm seeing. There is audio coming out of the speakers, but it fades away about 9 seconds in when you see the image warp.

My question is: Is this behaviour indicative of a dead TV, is there anything I can try to fix it, or should I start investigating other cables?

>>9044448
Pal or ntsc?
I see a Pal console so I assume you're in Europe and its connected with RF, you can try other cables and make sure the game is Pal as well.
Ive had similar issues with an old tv from the 70s and after I switched my megadrive from ntsc to pal it worked

>>9044460
Yep, UK, PAL, RF. Both the console and the game are mine from 25~ years ago, so that shouldn't be a problem.

>>9044448
judging by the right side of the screen, I'd say there is a capacitor issue with the screen

Japanese manufactured electronics really are premium quality. I wish there was more stuff still made in Japan.

do you guys use scanline generators?

>inb4 hyperkin
av output
snes on a chip
runs off portable usb charger
im ready for the end of the world dumbass

>>9045123

>>9045123
Your crt isn't poorfag.

>>9045123
>>9045137
nice crt anon. can we get some clearer shots?

>>9045168
crt can run off batteries bb
>>9045172
my camera is a potato

>>9045525
i mean of the unit itself, with the lights on so i can see what the set looks like

>>9044998
Honestly I don't get the appeal of scanlines. When I play retro games on an HD screen (from a digital store or whatever) I'm happy not to see them. So my CRT generates all the scanlines I need as it is.

>>9044998
>blurs the image instead of making it sharp
Fuck no

How do you guys clean dust off your screens? I've been using a damp microfiber cloth with distilled water

How's my geometry?
I've got this weird problem where there's clearly some tilt in the top left (look at the topmost red dots and the first white line), but on the bottom it looks straight. I'm worried that this isn't tilt, and by messing with the yoke I'll just make the top straight but the bottom tilted. Is this really tilt or something else?

there's a little wonk but it's hard to avoid completely these days and overall it looks great

>>9045626
Screen cleaning liquid and microfibre cloth

>>9045653
meant for
>>9045647

>>9045647
looks fine, you wont notice it without a grid

>>9045710
I notice it on pretty much any game with something going on at the top of the screen. The top is super crooked, the bottom is straight. Doesn’t make any sense

>>9045771
looks fine to me

>>9045771
Try facing the screen to magnetic North. The bottom is tilted too, btw. Alternatively, you may be able to slightly correct it if your TV has a Landing setting. You could also adjust the top corner with a small, disc magnet tapped to the back of the tube.

>>9045771
Try facing the screen to magnetic North. The bottom is tilted too, btw. Alternatively, you may be able to slightly correct it if your TV has a Landing setting. You could also adjust the top corner with a small, disc magnet taped to the back of the tube (pic related). You might slightly fuck up the convergence in that corner though.

>>9045771
What connection is that?
it looks really blurry

>>9045915
It’s S-video, it just looks much worse in photo than irl

>>9045919
Ah, S-video
you playing in 240p mode?

>>9045925
No idea!
That was SF3 from the collection on PS2, desu I have no idea how to check if a game is in 240p or 480i. I know my snes games are because I’m using a wii for them but that’s it

>>9029406
Counterpoint:

>>9045960
ah, I don't think that version is able to go 240p

>>9032302
>ok i know this looks like shit but in person i cant believe how good it looks
I get the same problem taking pictures too, it always comes off as being far more washed out than it actually appears. Doesn't matter though, because the focus is making out the individual pixel cells

Was it really common for games to not take up the full screen back then? I revisited some childhood favorites and was surprised by a lot of black bars on the top/bottom of the screen, I never noticed them as a kid. Is there some workaround emulators use to avoid them?

>>9045989
?

>>9045989
don't know what you're talking about. examples?

>>9046000
Crash Bandicoot and and SOTN have very thin black bars on the top and bottom of my display. FFVI has a thin black bar only on the bottom. It’s not every game, more take up the full screen

>>9037535
I've been messing around with this ikea fjallbo since it has the perfect height for me to play my games from my chair. There's no cross brace underneath the particleboard, only the metal frame going around it, yet it still hasn't folded under the weight of my TVs after 8 weeks. It'll definitely depend on what exactly you're using, but just double check the carry limit and match it to double your CRT's weight.

>>9046009
It just sounds like you've got some geometry issues

>>9046016
That’s what I thought at first, but SOTN’s main menu and FMVs are all fullscreen, while only the game is letterboxed. Maybe it was a performance thing?

>>9045989
Are you playing the PAL versions by mistake?

I got my first crt recently, havent used one since I was a kid. Its a pretty small screen that only has yellow/white inputs for the composite inputs, that just means it must be running in mono sound right? I couldnt really tell a difference or see that it sounded bad or anything, but maybe im just an audiolet. anyone else have similar experience?

>>9046141
Just use some external PC speakers if the audio is mono only

>>9046103
I am not, at least for Castlevania

>>9046021
Game resolutions are not universal. That's why the framing of the image can vary from one title to the next. It's simply a difference in resolution.

>>9044448
have you tried adjusting the vertical and horizontal hold?

>>9045989
yes
street fighter 2 was especially egregious
fags here dont play games they just fap thinking about them and shitpost

>>9046590
SF2 on what, if you like to shitpost so much then you should at least specify the console

mGBA running on a Wii mini at 240p

>>9036943
The only thing HDMI got right was the connector, everything else about the standard is absolute dog shit.

>>9047249
Latching DP connector is still better

we have to go back

>>9047265
How did you managed to make thd 360 to output 240p?

>>9047306
sure it's not 480i?

I bought a piece of shit s-video cable off Amazon. I never seen a cable disintegrate that quckly. Plugged it into my TV, and then had to unplug it once and the thing falls apart with the housing for the plug coming unglued.

Amazon fucked me twice on another cable as well. Sent me the wrong cable. I did a replacement through Amazon and they sent me the wrong one again. And then Amazon wants me to mail the cable back to them to get a refund for a $3 cable after wasting my time twice. Like it's my fault these faggots send me the wrong shit.

>adjust geometry so it fits one console perfectly
>it breaks another console’s geometry
AHHHHHHHHH IT NEVER ENDS

>>9047358
emulatorchads don't have this problem
>tfw retroarch auto fits everything perfectly every time

Where can I get a media player with analog outputs? Everytime I look for one all I find is stuff with HDMI out.

>>9047386
What do you want to do? Play shit on TV?

>>9047408
Watch movies on my CRT with either composite, s-video, or component. I use RGB for emulation and only have one RGB in on my CRT so it can't be RGB only.

>>9047413
Use a PS3

>>9047420
I don't have one

>>9047413
What do you emulate with?

>>9047420
do you have a wii? If not they're very cheap

>>9047428
Retroarch. Yes, I know it has a media player

>>9047521
On what I mean, sure you can use RetroArch media player but if you emulate on a PC, you can use any other media player also.

>>9047528
Not, really no. Because I'm using switchres with Retroarch custom resolutions. My CRT isn't going to display properly a modern digital resolution and it's often not a simple thing to get 15khz output. I can't readily use my emulation machine and just ssh into it. Trying to set up stuff on a desktop with 480i resolution is not really a good time and I'm not sure if there's any video players with features for displaying at CRT TV resolutions.

>>9047553
If you only have a controller, maybe something like Kodi with a low resolution theme, worked great on original Xbox when it was still XBMC. If the RetroArch media player doesn't cut it for you. Doesn't support super-resolutions but just make a normal 4:3 480i mode for it.
You could use a script that launches Kodi every time you quit RetroArch and if you quit Kodi, it launches RetroArch, so you can easily switch between them.

What problem do you have with outputting 15kHz without RetroArch? Should work like any other resolution, you shouldn't even be able to output more than 15kHz on a properly configured setup for a 15kHz TV.

>heres your CRT bro

>>9047424
Then you can buy one instead of some media player. Shouldn't be too expensive and you get the ability to play games and BD movies on top of streaming media via DLNA. A PS3 is great value if you ask me.

>>9047306
Mate, if you take a still image of 480i, it’s going to appear as 240p

>>9047358
This is why you don’t underscan

>>9047721
depending on shutterspeed

Explain to a (mostly) tech illiterate dumbass like me why CRTs are better for older systems

>>9047727
It's bright enough to almost always be low enough to only capture one frame

>>9047735
It just looks better... ok?

Unironically though it scales well without being too sharp. Like a analog filter.
Same time it has no latency by itself and better motion clarity.

Those 3 are main points for /vr/.

>>9045172
>>9045547
>>9045612
the flatpanel crt isnt blurry irl anon
the scanlines breakup the shitty uggo upscaler harsh lines

it doesnt blur the image whatsoever and it adds no latency

>>9046595
on supernintendo you mong
test it yourself

i too forgot about the black bars from my childhood

>>9047735
take the ufo motion test online
then you won't be able to unsee how bad motion looks on LCD

>>9047751
Unironically on a good modern panel it's really hard to see bad motion with the UFO test and even the scrolling map is perfectly readable at high speed.
But you're still correct, plus most people will have panels way worse than a good modern one.

>>9047757
>hard to see bad motion with the UFO test
With your naked eye I mean, it's easy to capture on camera though. But we use eyes not cameras to see.

Shaders look really good with 1792x1344 mode on a PC CRT.

>>9047386
Old blu-ray players.
Or get a PS3.

>>9047386
i gotchu my dude
https://www.amazon.com/Micca-Full-HD-Portable-Digital-Player/dp/B008NO9RRM


This has both analog and hdmi out, support for sd cards and usb.

I used a couple for my multi channel low power UHF tv station

I really hate this underscan

>>9047989

>>9048232
thanks for the laugh anon
I have 3 crts now and all of them have pretty steep downsides to them, it's very annoying desu

>>9047989
I'll bite. Why don't you simply adjust the vertical and horizontal scaling of the image?

Got a 14" Hitachi CRT the other week and I love it, Even has SCART.

>>9047735
Better latency, better black levels and contrast (except when compared to an OLED), and better motion clarity. 240p content also looks better to some people because of the black scanlines.

>>9048364
>240p content also looks better to some people because of the black scanlines.
240p content looks better because CRTs scale well
scanlines are just ugly shit only zoomers like

Does anyone know of a power distribution unit of any kind that has individual rocker switches for each outlet? I have all my consoles, TV, switches, speakers, etc connected to one death switch that i leave off whenever I'm not playing them but I'd like to go one step further and not be pushing power to consoles I'm not playing
I guess I should look at rack mountable server room solutions, or stuff for like DJs

>>9047735
All of the above, plus old light gun games work! Pew pew!

>>9048373
Pixel artists designed their games with scanlines in mind, it's not a zoomer meme.

>>9048364
>black scanlines
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

>>9048384
HAHAHAHAHA where the fuck do you see scanlines in >>9048358
average consumer CRTs had no fucking scanlines, anything that has visible scanlines at 240p is way too sharp and barely blends pixels

>>9048385
>um scanlines are akshually the content you see on the screen, not the empty lines :B
Words change their meaning over time, autist.
>>9048398
I can see them in that image, anon. Are you blind? That pixel artists took scanlines into account is a proven fact.

>>9048413
>Words change their meaning over time, autist.
Funny that the definition of scan lines hasn't changed

>>9048413
I don't see any "black scanlines" anon claimed, sure there's content on the screen drawn line by line by a beam, but no individual noticeable lines with black in between

>>9048398
Even a PVMeme like mine is way too bright to see the scanlines when you're sitting a proper distance from it
the only reason scanlines are such a meme is because brainless zoomers look at still photos of PVMs and think that's how they look in real life

>>9048418
>Funny that the definition of scan lines hasn't changed
>several uses of "scanlines" being used to refer to the black lines in this very thread
Looks like the ship has sailed on that one, buddy.
>I don't see any "black scanlines" anon claimed, sure there's content on the screen drawn line by line by a beam, but no individual noticeable lines with black in between
Zoom in. You can see very thin empty gaps. Not as pronounced as a professional monitor for sure but they're there.

>>9048325
It’s a 20 inch tv, for whatever reason it only has vertical size adjustment and not horizontal

>>9048413
>you're an autist if you use proper technical terms
Retard alert!

>>9047758
>>9047757
fast side scrollers are basically the ufo test in game format and it's pretty easy to see when a TV can't handle it
I never liked LCD for games for exactly this reason

>>9047742
I can tell you now that that screen is more blurry than my RGB DC playing that game

>>9048465
It seems that normal subtle but well alligned scanlines with proper aspect ratio scaling looks much better then memetic PVM thickblack lines.

But we can all agree on one thing, either choice is prefferable over fake blank scanlines you use to see in old emulators for PC CRTs.

>>9048473
You're using the word "retard" wrong, it's a verb. :^)

>>9048485
True. I should've known, being a classically trained pianist and all...

>>9048480
agreed

>>9047386
ps3

I'm having trouble getting into the service menu for my RCA Truflat. Apparently none of the answers I find online work on 20F424T specifically, or maybe I'm not doing the sequence properly.
>Menu, Vol -, Power
>Vol -, Ch+, Power
>Vol -, Info
>Vol-, Clear
>Input, 2580
>Menu, 1447
None of this shit works but apparently they worked fine for other models that people use. I'm fine with the overscan being cut off a little too much, but it looks bad when it scrolls vertically.

>>9048760
Does the remote have any modes, like a vcr/dvd switch or anything? The service codes might only work in one mode but not the other. I had that issue with my TV (not the same brand though)

Other than that I wouldn't know.