/vr/ - Retro Games

Is this really just a nostalgia game? I tried playing it and couldn't get into it at all

>>9020123

>>9020125
It was really good for is time and the graphics are still amazing, but it is full of jank mechanics and the story just isn't there. It's extreme repetition from the beginning to the end. I still respect it for bridging the gap between rpg and action but it has aged extremely poorly.

>>9020123
Man that art is gorgeous

>>9020130
Leave OP alone man. He's valid

It's a game you need to experience as a child with siblings

>>9020123

Ff4
Ff6
Ff8
Ff9
Chrono trigger
Earthbound
Wave racer 64
Mario sunshine
Mario galaxy

>>9020182
Only game on that list I can see real flaws with is earthbound.

>>9020123
>>9020130
>>9020137

but these are just... the worst thread. The arguments are tired, boring and repetitive. There's nothing insightful or persuasive in them, and their post count doesn't even drive activity anymore...

None, i love shitty games

>>9020302
I disagree entirely man. Maybe it's you and you need to go take a nap. This thread is fine

>>9020305
well, this post certainly both convinced me, and contributed to the thread.

>>9020312
You seriously need to stop seeing every conversation as an internet argument where one side has to convince another

>>9020123
The 3D Aonuma Zelda.

Literally everything is just old shit with a new coat of paint and the time travel might as well not exist

A lot of DOS shareware games with a special mention of Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure.
The choppy movement and scrolling was just unbearable.

>>9020130
/thread

>>9020125
>good graphics
>good gameplay
>characters devoid of personality
>generic story
>>hit writing
literally every jrpg

>>9020130
That's not bait, this is bait:>>9020182
lazy though

>>9020125
gameplay sucks ass, is somehow even worse than plain turn-based, should have stuck with the more straighforward gameplay of FFA

>>9020125
It started off strong. But after midway the game just drops.

>>9020123
>>9020125
>>9020131
I always tried to get into Secret of Mana based on an old Seiken Densetsu 3 walkthrough on Gamefaqs that said SOM almost turned the author religious

>>9020123
Every turn based jrpg.

>>9020123
Clue. That shit was just a process of elimination and educated guessing. Still like the movie, though

>>9020123
Excellent art, excellent music, clunky as fuck gameplay that's not enjoyable.

It's so frustrating bros.

Secret of mana is great. I beat it last year and had a lot of fun the whole way through. I didn't like seiken densetsu 3 though

>>9020123

>>9021002
Legend of Mana also. Everything about that game was max comfy except for the actual gameplay which was both tedious and piss easy. Fucking tragedy

>>9020123
Most of the SNES and N64 library. Super Mario World, Mario 64 and every Zelda bar 1 and 2.

>>9020132
Better quality

>>9021446
How was his mother a tree?

>>9020123
All the romancing saga games
They're all a boring easy grindfests from start to end. At least the multiple routes to finish the games are something

>>9020123
Weak, contrarian bait. SoM remains one of the most enjoyable titles on the SNES.

>>9020123
Depends on your perspective, if you were stuck on a farm with no internet for 5 years you would probably appreciate them once again.

I thought Test Drive 6 was the most realistic driving simulator ever because it let you drive pretty normal cars that actually somewhat looked like the real thing.

>>9020369
>>good gameplay
nope, but the rest is spot on

>>9021776
I think people try to play it like an action game when it’s just a controllable ATB, similar to FFXII

I still love how the beginning is detailed and tightly interconnected and afterwards they mostly just smeared random landmass-blobs onto the map and called it a day.

Bart Simpson Vs Space Mutants for the Amiga. I was like 6 at the time and I thought it was the shit because it was a SIMPSONS GAME.

For my brother's birthday last year I sent him an old T61 running XP and bundled a load of old games we used to play. I tested them all to make sure it all worked, and, while it functioned, it fucking sucked.

>>9020123
picrelated. it's not "garbage" by any measure, it's still a great game, but I went from thinking this was literally THE greatest game of all time to just a good game with many flaws, that somehow loses in many ways to SMB3 that it's supposed to be a sequel to.
>just 2 powerups, one is useless and the other is clearly OP
>yoshi barely adds much to the gameplay
>clearly broken blue yoshi
>spin jump clearly better than regular
>no map items
>graphics resemble GIMP
>level design feels somewhat bland at times
>lost opportunity to make a real collectathon with dragon coins
I could go on and on. I still like the game, but as I get older, I look less and less positively at it.

>>9022109
Problem is hindsight. It was a great pack in letting you know what the super Nintendo was and what it could do. At the time it was a marvel but problem is that we compare it to games released afterwards. I do agree though that SMB 3 was more fleshed out.

Bubsy

>>9022109
Yoshi is still boring, the controls slippery, power-ups too all-or-nothing, visuals rounded and dull, themes altogether slack. The focus on secret exits should thrill me, but it’s all so bland.

I came to see if Mario World had changed for me in 23 years, no longer caught between SMB3’s precision theatrics and Mario 64’s astonishing dimensional breakthrough. But no, that Super Nintendo sequel spirit – extension, refinement, acceptance – it still haunts every jump.

Every year we get more polished sequels. Every year they are praised, loved. And every year I long for transgression, revolution, something strange and raw and radically new.

>>9020123
Not retro but, I have to mention it

Holly shit that game stink.

>>9020182
>Wave racer 64

Utter bullshit. I played that game for the first time last month, almost 25 years after its release, and it was fucking excellent.

none of them really, i already knew what shit games were as a kid, I had both Bart vs. the Space Mutants and Mario 3 for NES and it was obvious that the latter was better just because I played it more.

>>9023645
I bought it with my n64 on first day release and returned it after beating it for Mario 64. It's not as amazing as it's hyped up to be on here.

>>9023648
As long as you have tight controls and the mechanics are sound you can have a good game. Obviously you need decent music and level design and such, but having janky controls is the easiest way to make your game shit. This and Cool Spot are probably the dumbest concepts for a video game but the fact that they have sound mechanics is why they are considered classics.

>>9023648
Yeah, I agree. I still enjoy every game I liked when I was a kid, and vice versa. Maybe the closest thing I could say would be Warcraft II, which still isn't shit, it just isn't all that amazing from a gameplay perspective. I still realized that as a kid, since I actually played it just before getting Starcraft.

>>9022012
the beta/alpha stages had bigger maps originally

>>9023794
https://manaredux.com/locations/world-maps/

>>9023152
>At the time it was a marvel but problem is that we compare it to games released afterwards.
like I said, even when you compare it to SMB3 it's not exactly an all-out improvement. adding the interconnected map with saves is surely an improvement, so is the block physics upgrade. not the rest though, oftentimes it's just outright a downgrade from SMB3.
and even then, there's one important issue—lack of true, good innovation. SMB2 might have been a different game initially, but it felt fresh. SMW just rehashed SMB3, and in many cases does things worse. cape is just the raccoon upgrade, except broken. spin jump was actually alright on paper, until you realize that it can bounce on pretty much anything—spiked foes, fire foes, boos—, and at the same time, half the people didn't even use it. I already mentioned yoshi, he didn't introduce much to the game except a way to withstand one more hit, and there was nothing in the game designed specifically with his abilities in mind.
and don't even get me started on the fact that the music is just 1 melody for the whole game.

I'm replaying Crusader: No Remorse for the first time in over a decade, on second-hardest difficulty (usually played second-easiest in the past). Still love it overall but holy fuck even though I defended the tank controls in the past I will never defend the way this game handles again. Aiming rarely hits where it's supposed to while enemies can basically always hit you, every jump/fall is accompanies by a 5 second janky as fuck slowdown, elevators are frequently retarded, and you turn too slowly to actually out-speed/reflex enemies. If they made it for the Build Engine it would be a classic to this day, but making an action shooter on the Ultima 8 engine was clearly one of the worst ideas of the 90s.

>>9020163
I played this for the first time a year ago and thought it was great.

>>9020123
That would be the Sakura Wars series. The hype was huge back then. It had combined efforts of a great character designer/manga artist, a scenario writer famous for animated shows, and all the funding Sega could bet the house on. The games ended out to be so bad, I am kind of glad Sega no longer has arcades in Japan and could finally fade away with whatever dignity it may still have.

>>9023692
>drive into walls at full speed
>classic racing game

>>9027226
>The games ended out to be so bad, I am kind of glad Sega no longer has arcades in Japan and could finally fade away with whatever dignity it may still have.
huh really? i thought it had some cult status (or maybe its because it never really was translated)

>>9027452
>filtered

>>9020369
I know it's videogames and I cannot expect Melville but the writing in these old Japanese games is so shit it legit gives me issues replaying them. It's such a level of shit writing that the only way to enjoy it is being a functionally illiterate child. JRPGs are the worst since they're supposed to be about story but everything else is generally written like garbage as well.