/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9011282
>limit themselves with cheap morals
What does this even mean?

>>9011282
>Millenial Anon
>born 1998
don't be shy, you're practically a boomer yourself

>>9011287
a mini example, in the 1st mission there is a guard being drunk, nowadays they wouldnt represent this because could hurt alcoholic people feeling.

>>9011282
Here you go: Interstate 76

>>9011303
Go back.

>>9011282
A big part of why thief has the personality it does is that you're dropped into a location with only a simple, non reactive map. This makes the progression of the level feel more organic but also gives you a fun little bit of gameplanning in the beginning to figure out your approach that in a modern game would likely be made redundant by UI features. I hope the mega AAA success of from titles might inspire other devs to take a second look at the QOL dogma.

Deus Ex

Play the first two Fallout games, System Shock 2.

>>9011320
Bought all of this today, these and thief are the 1st classics i will play

>>9011282
>>9011282
>>9011282

Bro thief came out over 24 years ago. If you don't like it, stop forcing yourself to like it. I was 10 years old when Thief came out and it wasn't something I could focus on as a kid and it hasn't been something I've come around to liking as I've gotten older.

>>9011287
Modern AAA has been using identify politics to obfuscate how shit their games are with journalists and twitter for marketing for years. Blizzard even has a tool they use to quantify how woke their characters are so they can ram 100k micro-transactions in Diablo Immortal hoping obese losers on Twitter will defend them.

>>9011329
Call of Cthulhu is like Vampire the Masquerade Bloodline. It bounces back and forth between 11/10 to being dumpster trash. All because of a really troubled development cycle. The PC port was done by literally one guy so it's got double helpings of the jank.

>>9011338
Where did he say he didn't like Thief?

>>9011282
>charisma
Only humans can have charisma. No game, animal, object, or abstract concept can be charismatic
>archetypical
you most likey mean archaic. you definitely don't mean archetypical
>>9011303
get real

>>9011340
Can you not bring that garbage in /vr/ and focus on talking about the videogames instead? Holy fuck, yes, the modern industry is fucked, we fucking know, I come to this place to avoid this shit, I don't need you retarded zoomers bringing it here as well. Same goes to the OP for bringing up that "cheap morals" trash, kill yourself OP for ruining my cozy Thief thread.

>>9011303
is that true? did they uglify her AND decreased texture quality? why and how

>>9011350
>Ask for him to elaborate
>Someone elaborates
>Get mad
>Agree with OP in your anger
I'm glad we could all come to an understanding.

>>9011360
Fuck off back to /v/ or /pol/ or whatever other shithole you came from, you are not welcome here mouth-breathing mongoloid.

>>9011282
>>9011329
If you're looking for games that bleed soul and atmosphere.

Deus Ex is very good. You can play it Vanilla.
Call of Cthulhu on GOG comes pre-patched I think. It might not even run on Steam. It's very jank.
Alone in the Dark might not give you what you want.

Other games to consider:
Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl - There is a complete mod that makes the game easier. I was able to play it vanilla fine. If it doesn't work there's the zone reclamation mod. Play on the hardest difficulty because the difficulty scaling is fucked and makes the game more tedious on easier ones.
Stalker: Call of Pripyat - It's way more polished than SoC but it also doesn't have as strong atmosphere. Play SoC first
System Shock 1 - Made by the Thief devs. The UI has a learning curve but once you get over it and past the first few shitty levels it becomes amazing. The game just grabs you by the balls out of nowhere and SHODAN is at her best here.
System Shock 2 - It's in the Thief engine so you might spot some similarities. It has way stronger atmosphere than SS1 but feels slightly less alive for some reason. The RPG system might throw you off, if you get some hacking and standard weapons you can't go wrong.
Vampire the Masquerade - It's barely finished but the parts that are finished are some of the best shit in gaming. You need the fan mod that fixes a ton of bugs and even then it'll still be kinda jank.
Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen - It's an adventure that just bleeds soul. Kain is an amazing narrator.
Blood - It's not as atmospheric as the other games but it's style, execution and balance are great. It has a STEEP learning curve but once you get over it the feeling is sublime.
Arx Fatalis - Made by the Dishonored devs but it is a completely different game. Very very slow paced. Very thief-like in it's atmosphere and sound design. The world is extremely interactive and the magic system is pretty deep. Use the Arx Liberatis patch and go a mage.

>>9011374
>There is a complete mod that makes the game easier
Also this wasn't a recommendation. A lot of people say to install it but it fucks the brutal cruel nature of the zone.

>>9011370
I don't give a shit about newer games for the reasons you said. I don't give a shit about politics either. That's why we are both here like you said.

>>9011338
i love thief, im literally expressing the opposite, that classics like thief are so much better than nowaday games

>>9011374
im not searching in old classics huge content and entertainment but soul, art, charisma, cool concepts, and im really shocked by how the new generations will miss all of this if they dont go and look back like me.

>>9011387
If you want soul: Deus Ex, Jazz Jackrabbit 2, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, System Shock 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., SimCity 3000 and SimCity 4, Age of Empires II.

>>9011340
im op, and i completely agree with you, i bringed up this conversation, and i thought it was interesting since i was shocked when i tried original thief being a millenial

>>9011359
politics, probably cause MUH beauty standards and shit

Is this the "I'm not like the other kids, I like beatles and queen"? These games are beloved by anyone who plays games. You aren't special or unique for liking them and others aren't "missing out" for not playing them. Just enjoy em and don't act like a holier than thou autist.

>>9011387
All those games I listed are like that. Maybe Blood is too similar to boomer shooters on the surface but it still has a very distinct weird vibe to it and weird gameplay you wont see anywhere else. Call of Pripyat maybe is too similar to Shadow of Chernobyl so I probably shouldn't have listed it.
Bottom line is all of those games bleed atmosphere and have their own vibe that has never been recreated, which is what I assume you mean from soul art charisma and concepts. The best you have is indies trying to copy them but failing. If I had to pick 1 from that does it the strongest it'd probably be Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl. Then System Shock 1 because it was like Thief in that it left me longing for a better time even though I only played it last year. V:TMB would probably be #3 because every aspect of the game has so much personality but it's hard to recommend because the devs went bankrupt making it.

>>9011395
The Blizzard tool has an axis for attractiveness so yeah that probably is it.

>>9011392
I mean I played Thief only a few years ago. I wasn't too shocked probably because I'm slightly older and saw just how shit games were getting between the 6th and 7th gen

>>9011428

>>9011404
Shut up and go play horizons west and the last of us 2 sonyer

>>9011437
That gay mullet looks way uglier to me than her face ever will.

>>9011404
shut the fuck up and go back to your Playstation 5 zoomie, if you don't behave well i will take it away for a week.

>>9011282
It's not entirely the companies fault and it's not entirely to cover up the games short comings. If they are publicly traded then they need to maintain their ESG score which a lot of stock trading tools base their investments off of. If they don't toe the woke line it'll fall and their stock will get hammered.

>>9011546
in my oppinion its the fault both politics, cause limit human creativity because is afraid of backlash, and the growth of the videogame industry that made whale investors take over game companies and push devs to do shit they dont want to because sells more.

Aight, no more of this non-/vr/ modern industry reddit talk. What are the best TG/T2 FMs?

>>9011346
>Only humans can have charisma.
Wrong. Only people can have charisma. Dumbfuck.

>>9011346
go away autist

>>9011642
Why don't you make a Thief thread instead of trying to derail this recommendations thread.

>>9011778
>recommendations thread
>>>/r/ is that way, newfriend

>>9011812
lol nice one

>>9011374
Fuck, that's some good list if I ever saw one. Deus Ex and System Shock are pinnacle of late dark-cyberpunk, there's nothing out there like these two and there's a chance nothing will ever be.
Let me add some:
Severance: Blade of Darkness - for some reason, for me it feels very close to Arx Fatalis, even though there two games are very different. Siblings in soul, perhaps. Also, year 2001, so technically /vr/.
Nosferatu: The Wrath of Malachi - only will take you an evening to complete it, but it is extremely replayable and awesome FPS vampire killer. The final cutscene is 110% badass.
The Final Station - if you like Stalker, you should probably try this one. Once again, these are very different games, but The Final Station is heavily influenced by Strugatsky brothers' novels, and therefore contains one-of-a-kind atmosphere.

>>9011282
>Millenial
>1998
Millennials are people who were born 1995 and prior, who grew up and saw the new millennium.

>How is it possible a 700 mb game from the year i was born 1998, can have so much more charisma than todays 74840TB super productions?
Because the technology was limited, so they couldn't sell the games based solely on gimmicks like hyper-realism and VR. They were forced to make the gameplay good.

>>9011303
You're trying way too hard to fit in.

>>9011282
You should try "The Dark Mod," which is essentially what Thief 1/2 would be like if it was re-built in a heavily modified Doom 3 engine.

>>9011303
Is that the same scene? Did they actually make it worse?

>>9011329
Those are all great. Can't vouch for call of Cthulhu though, haven't played.

>>9011282
>>9011301
If you were born in 1998 you are literally by definition a zoomer.

>>9011340
Tbf the people who work on that tool said it was just marketing nonsense. They've already hired all the dogmatic believers in diversity that they need to self sustain the flow of purple haired obese character, or whatever the fuck.
I don't even think a diverse cast is bad, in and of itself, but I don't like when it's done for political reasons and obviously so.
>>9011317
Best game I can think of recently that had a qol reduction to it's benefit was kingdom come deliverance. They had a fast travel system, but it would show your character on the map, move time forward so you could fail quests, and if your character ran into brigands or whoever you would stop and fight or try to run.
I ended up riding or running everywhere anyway for most of the game. The map was only use for short travels.

>>9013240
>people who work on that tool
Sorry. Work on those games said that tool was etc etc

>>9011301
>boomer
>from the baby-boom
>the generation that was produced at the end of WW2
>between the late 1940s to mid 1960s
>if you're born in 1998, you're born in 1953
Memes are rotting people's brain it's amazing.

>>9013240
>I don't even think a diverse cast is bad, in and of itself, but I don't like when it's done for political reasons and obviously so.
In the past it made games stand out and an indicator it could be unique. Now it's the exact opposite.

>>9011317
another thing worth saying is that just because a game doesn't beat you over the head with a solution doesn't mean it needs to be an autism simulator. It'd be enough just for the devs to have a little gamesmansip and make you work a bit to find the path they've laid out for you.

>>9011282
Pretty sure 1998 is early gen Z, not millenial.

>>9011446
>>9011437
Realism in modern games means taking someone's real face and making it ugly.
You're still a "pick me, I'm not like other kids" dumbfuck.

>>9013257
autism is rotting yours

>>9013990
Anyone know what this retard is saying?

>>9011329

Play RealRTCW mod on Steam. Same game but improved and is less awful with modern OS. I think it's free

>>9014253
Played through the Workshop campaigns right now with Wolfenbabes addon. They all suck (but my dick is happy)

>>9011338
>reading comprehension

>>9014185
Idk, he just randomly brought up Sony for no fucking reason.

>>9013990
Right pic looks like she is working out a huge shit.

>>9011287
Are there any good Medabots games?