/vr/ - Retro Games

I can't really say what to do to make it better but I'd be interested in one. Tired of killing my phone's battery on my lunch break

>>895682

Does the $120-150 price point seem right?

>>895654
Give it a silly name, like GameBro Skycaptain?

>>895709
XGame SuperPad Boy

>>895702
What are the physical dimensions? Or is that TBD?

>>895725

Roughly 7.5in by 3.5in, still pocket fitting size

>>895702
If it delivers, totally

>>895721
Hyper X-Pad Megagame Eclipse: Portable Harder
>>895702
>>895745
Also this. I'd gladly go for this as soon as I had the money, so long as it does what it should.

What GPU are you going for? Mali 400? Also, will it be touch screen? If you're gonna deliver, thank you.

I remember you, how does the memory work? Is it on board, or like an sd card, memory stick duo, etc? Both? Will it have a microUSB port?

Do you have any experience in this sort of thing?

>sick under botans
Horrible design

>>896403
I'm going for a vivante that roughly has twice the power of a Tegra 3

>>896407
There's probably going to be 8GB on board with microSD expansion

>>896437
I've worked in chinese manufacturing for 6 years now

Do you have any idea what the battery life will be this early in the designing phase?

>>895654
>Android
How about no.

>>897049

4-5 hours while gaming, looking to improve to 7-8 hours for the consumer version

>>897060

heaven forbid we make it fucking easy for developers to make games

Gcw hasn't got gpu drivers yet.

It should be able to emulate at least psx and n64, possibly psp (technically they share cpu architecture)
ds should be possible, but it would be hard to play (my idea is having a keycombo to change from top screen to down one)
pic related, my zero.

Also it's battery time, I recived it last month and I didn't charge it yet.

>>897060
Well, he's open to suggestions for other open OS platforms that have a living emulation scene.

>>895654
>Android

Well, there goes decent runtime performance for emulation without frame skipping.

>>897085

I will say GCW and Pandora may beat us out on battery, I just don't know what I can do with my budget. 64, PS1, and DS emulation are happening, I've talked to multiple devs.

>>897085
>It should be able to emulate at least psx and n64, possibly psp (technically they share cpu architecture)
I'm pretty bummed they haven't even started development on psx or n64 emulators. Sure, its capable of doing it, but it probably won't have a working emulator to do it for like a year at least.

>>897091
ARM Linux

>>897093

We're cutting a lot of multitasking abilities in order to ensure top performance.

>>897093
But I never use frameskipping on my android emulators.

>>897094
on top of that, you already have android, and a arm processor, wich makes all existing emulators already run, even the ones that do native code.

but ship with a shit ton of ram, if not, it will explode

>>897106

I seem to have forgotten RAM in the specs up there. Currently there's 1GB but I've got the quote for 2 and 4 but I don't know what people would do with 4GB of RAM in a handheld

>>897102
You better cut out the Dalvik and everything to do with Java, because the garbage collector stalls ruin performance critical apps like emulators

>>897126
If you want dalvik running to be able to use non-native apps you'll want more ram and ram allocation stuff in android OS

>>897091
Android's "emulation scene" is mostly just scumbags selling other people's emulator code with a GUI slapped on.

>>897146

Most of the problem is that the play store is always removing emulators, the store on this thing is a little more welcoming

If you actually go through with this, I know you at least have a couple customers on /vr/ (myself included). The concept for this thing so far is amazing.

>>897101
I vote for this.

>>897093
maybe on low end shitty devices.

Dear OP.

Please make the Dpad a one piece component. It makes it much easier to use, and the Wonderswan style really is cute, but it is not that good to play with.

Regards,
Anon

>>895654
Also OP, could we think about putting start and select above the action buttons? Best god damn thing the Original DS ever did. The travel for these buttons looks a tad uncomfortable on your CAD/Mockup.

>>897129
If you don't run crap java apps in the background, then garbage collector isn't a problem. At a minimum, os should be jellybean, as garbage collector has improved *dramatically* there. Run natively coded emus, then no garbage collector issues.

Call it:

> GameBot

Have you been able to test it? I mean, has there been a prototype? If so what all have you successfully emulated?

Also, I'm assuming it will because Android but screen caps well be a nice feature

OP I am so hype for this. If this motherfucker delivers I'm dipping into my Wii-U/Monster Hunter fund to buy one. And never looking back.

I'll be devving for this motherfucker like mad, if for no other reason than to make games I want to play.

OP Here, you've suggested some changes and here's what I have to report on:

Alternate OS/ARM Linux-
So I've been talking with a developer of a very popular mobile linux distro, and we've decided that the largest problem about this option is that our GPU drivers are not open source (but some people are currently working on it) The benefit of a custom linux distro would be more accurate emulation and better performance. More detail to come.

Moving Start/Select above ABXY-
It's certainly possible at this stage, but I feel the home button might be a little lonely all down there.

Also I've tested N64, PS1, GBA, SNES, GENESIS and they were all extremely playable. I talked to Exophase about 30 minutes ago and he's willing to port his DS emulator DraStic to EON whether it be on Android or a Linux

>>898421
It's good to hear that N64 and SNES work well on there, that's where the PSP fails.

get an industrial designer to make the thing look presentable

>>898449
I'm sure this would be a lot more reasonable request once this thing is funded

>>898449
That would be somewhat a waste of funds. As long as it is comfortable to hold and not poop brown, it will be good.

>>898473
By look presentable, I mean look good and be ergonomic. At least make it look better than all the other crappy open handhelds out there

Is it possible to implement 6 face buttons instead of 4? Everyone does 4, but having 6 would be good for attempts at emulating N64

>>898454
>>898473
Talking of funds, i'm new on all this and i'm just curious, how IS this thing getting funded?

>>898475
If I decide to put start/select above abxy would that satisfy your need for 6?

>>898487
I'm pretty well off, I've funded it to this point. However I cannot afford the first batch all on my own which is why I might need to do Kickstarter or some other preorder system

Is the D pad like a PS1 pad where the buttons are individual or is it like a SNES where its one big piece? Because i prefer the SNES style

>>898597

Right now it's PS1 style, but if there's enough interest I don't think a switch is out of question.

How about making it so you can turn the device upside down so the joysticks are on top? Like how with smartphones you can rotate them and the screen adjusts itself? It's going to be hard to create a button layout that works for every game system, and how will we go about putting games on the thing? Will there be different colors or any customizable options etc....

I know this might sound crazy, but how about the ability to lock in and switch where the buttons can be placed?

>>898609
OP have you decided on how ergonomically shaped this thing will be? I want it to feel as comfy as a gamecube or xbox 360 controller and not like a nintendo DS or an NES controller because those give me hand cramps.

I thought this was only going to be for emulating up to N64? I am ready to buy it if it does SNES with a comfortable shape because that's my main system. All the other emulators on the market have too many gimmicks or they have touch screen controls or they are too small. I will gladly give you 150$ for an excellent SNES emulator with excellent battery life.

What will it have for multiplayer options? Local wifi, local wireless, a cord you plug in? TV out capabilities?

>>898605
It'd be best to make it one piece. The Vita's D-pad shits all over the PSP's d-pad

>>898634
>I am ready to buy it if it does SNES with a comfortable shape because that's my main system

If that's something you want, a lot of Dingoo models would be good for you already.

>>898624
Interchangeable panels with buttons on them perhaps? It would be tricky to make it sturdy and not get crap stuck in the cracks though. It would solve the problems of the 6 button SEGA and N64 controllers. Would it be totally impossible to make the joysticks and buttons all interchangable some how? Or make the screen it's own device that can be plugged into the system upside down to flip the joystick positions? I'm just trying to come up with something to please everybody here on button placement, i have no idea if any of its feasible

>>898638
That rectangle design doesn't look too appealing to me. I want something that is basically the gamecube controller grip with a screen attached to it.

>>898650
This is a great idea. and you could do it with faceplates and stuff of that nature. The problem with using a 4 button system for a 6 button controller system is having to map the other 2 buttons to shoulder buttons, taking away a bit of feel from the console.

>>898634

Ergonomic > Slimness for this thing. I don't know if you've ever held the WiiU Gamepad, but it feels good to hold and makes the overall experience a lot more enjoyable compared to gaming on an iPhone.

So there's an account system built into the device. If developers want to sell their games/apps on our store and they have online multiplayer they're required to use said account system. Several server hosting options are available to developers for free.

Also this thing will emulate past the N64, just not at launch and most likely not till late 2014

>>898635
Looking into DPads, I'll have an update sometime tomorrow.

>>898664
When you have a 6 button controller installed when playing a SNES game I would imagine you just map those two buttons to nothing or to turbo buttons or to duplicate something else.

>>898667
So if I buy this thing from you what am I getting when I first turn it on right out of the box? Will it have anything pre installed, can I choose to have it come with pre installed programs/emlators? Will I have to pay for games(i would be willing to if it was more of a legit online system i could trust and if the games people make are good). If I want to play N64 games will I just find some ROMs and install them? With all the ROM sites being taken down what is the plan for this? Will it have a windows styled desktop and I choose to open different folders or is it a menu with all the Emulators to choose from when it's first turned on?

and lastly, please tell me you aren't loading it full of Facebook linking and other crap because all i want is to flick the switch, deal with an opening screen as it boots in maybe 5 seconds and then select SNES and then select the game and enjoy myself. Oh and will it have updates in the future if we find glitches or any problems in the software?

>>898681
Shit man, lots of questions

>So if I buy this thing from you what am I getting when I first turn it on right out of the box?

Most likely the device and either modified android or a new OS based around this device. Only the operating system will be preinstalled (there's a chance that some games could be preinstalled)

>Will I have to pay for games(i would be willing to if it was more of a legit online system i could trust and if the games people make are good). If I want to play N64 games will I just find some ROMs and install them?

Emulators will be on the shop, all of the open source ones are free but Exophase's DraStic might cost a few bucks. All open source emulators will be kept up to date through the shop.

>With all the ROM sites being taken down what is the plan for this?

It's up to the user how they want to get their hands on ROMs

>Will it have a windows styled desktop and I choose to open different folders or is it a menu with all the Emulators to choose from when it's first turned on?

It's probably going to be similar to android, but this is still under discussion

>Facebook?

The device will have connections to the forums to allow for dev feedback and bug reports, that's about as social as it's getting.

> Oh and will it have updates in the future if we find glitches or any problems in the software?

We'll be supporting it for 6-7 years after release minimum, but the OS is open source so you can actually fix stuff before we have the chance to.

Also attached is a picture of a side view, you can kind of see the grip on the back, remember that this is a prototype design and with my budget I haven't been able to get a lot of my models printed for actual testing.

>>898709
I have to say that looks incredibly uncomfortable to hold. Will it have force feedback or vibration of any kind?

>>898716

Although I think looks are decieving for this device see the image for one of my first case tests. Would you rather it be more like that? Also no FB or vibration due to cost restraints

>>898709
Who will be in charge of the "shop" and our credit card information? Will it be like a paypal type thing.

What are the plans for local multiplayer? If I have an emulator running for my N64 an want to play smash bros with 3 other friends who have these devices, will we be able to connect if we are in the same room?

I think you said that this thing is similar to the WiiU gamepad as far as grip goes, is that correct? I really want it to be comfy and could care less if it's going to fit nicely in my backpack or pocket. I want this thing for gaming while I'm sitting in my bed or on long car rides or on a lunch break at work, so it can be as 3d as you can handle within your budget.

Will you be doing a kickstarter soon? When do you think it will be for sale? This has me really excited and I'm holding off on a few purchases to see if this thing is worth it which it already is by the looks of your posts.

>>898732
That looks fucking awesome! (I just hope people won't be crazy mad about not being able to put it in their pocket like their iPhones)

>>898738
I agree. I would hold the FUCK out of that thing.

>>898732
Lose the wings. It really does kill the portability of the console. They're okay for controllers but not for portable consoles

>>895702
It seems like you're a goddamned scammer.

What the hell is a "dual-core GPU"? That's meaningless. GPUs are globs of stream processors and scratchpad RAMs. They have dozens to hundreds of cores.

At least learn how to talk the talk if you're going to try scamming people out of their money.

>>898747
This thing is going to be different from other "prtable" devices. It's going to be comfy and you are going to be in your house enjoying it. If you want something small that fits in your pocket then use your phone, but we all know how shitty touch controls are and don't want a compromise. OP, include a case that is the shape of a perfect rectangle so this thing will fit nicely into a backpack or glove box and it will be perfect for me.
Keep the thread alive people, I want to see how this turns out

>>898749
A-are you braindamaged?...

Seek help, please... You're in danger.

>>898737

I can't give out full details on the shop yet, but your paypal/amazon/bitcoins will work. My company will never do actual handling of the info.

So with local multiplayer you have quite a few options.

On the go (sitting in line somewhere, at the bar, etc) - Get 4 bluetooth controllers (PS3 or OUYA will work just fine) and use the 5 inch screen as your mini TV

At Home/TV access- Use the HDMI port to connect to a television, use USB or Bluetooth Controllers

With other devices- Connect over bluetooth, the emulator comes with support for that built in.

I want to start a kickstarter sometime around early August, but I think it's important that I have my shit together.

>>898747
It's possible the "wings" could get shaved down a little, but not enough to take the grip away

>>898749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_(GPU)

Here's one of the GPUs I've inquired about, it's in tons of SoCs so it's very common, please note the max GPUs column

>>898732
If you wanted to, you could make an optional plastic mold accessory to give it grips like that.

>>898775
Yep, the problem lies in where R2+L2 should go

>>898770
Don't placate this fucking guy, he's retarded. It looks good, I'd wonder what are we looking at here for battery life? Will this thing just have a plugin charger, or the possibility of a dock?

Will we have the ability to put music on it to listen to while we game? Don't know about everyone but I listen to my own music when I play puzzlers and racing games.

What about storage? SDHC? NAND/NOR Flash Memory? SSD?

Call it the Vidya.

Or the Vidya EO.

Just put Vidya in the name. It deserves it.

>>898785
Battery life is shaping up to be 6-7 hours, so not too bad. It will have a separate dock which will come with our "special edition". but also be sold separately.

Storage is probably 8GB on board with SDXC expansion.

>>898817
Nice battery life! There are a few little things that I'd like to inquire about. Things happen, cats knock stuff onto my PSP all the time and I've had to replace the face plate a few times.

Will you sell replacement parts for your system? Also, one thing a lot of companies take for granted when doing this, wrist straps. I don't know about you but I know a few times, sitting on the BART for work, I've had people bump my PSP and knock it out of my hands, and my wrist strap has saved it, so that'd be a thing to consider.

>>898821
So I'm a dipshit myself and I ripped the ribbon cable for the screen. I got a replacement from my factory and installed it in 5 minutes, this thing is pretty repairable and opens up with a regular screwdriver.

All the parts including the board will be for sale, and for the stuff that can be 3D printed we'll have that available for you to download.

I'll look into wrist straps, could definitely be a neat feature

>>898793
I'm vouching for this

It's probably going to be called the eon, but if you want we can pretend it's called the videon

>dpad consists of four separate buttons, just like the goddamned GP2x-F200

>Not mimicking the based Saturn dpad

was there a previous thread for this thing?

>>899000

Only one before this, and I'm looking at better dpads I promise.

>>899000
>I'm somebody's mommy!

>>899012
You better. Just straight up use the Saturn D-Pad if possible.

>>898667
>Ergonomic > Slimness for this thing

The fact you realize this makes me very optimistic.

This is interesting, but why is this on /vr/?

>>899049
It's explicitly for running emulators of classic systems, numbnuts.

>>899052
>running emulators of classic systems

>No discussion about emulation
>No discussion about classic systems
>No discussion about video games

The entire thread is discussion around non-existent hardware, and what said hardware should include. It's a /g/ thread.

>>899059

I think you've been missing the point of a lot of what's been said in this thread. I've been trying to get feedback on what features/button layouts are most desirable for emulation.

>>899049
Would discussion about the everdrive 64 be /vr/? Yes, and so is this. The major purpose of OP's idea is to have a handheld that plays old console games (competently).

120Hz screen + strobeable LED backlight (controllable from software).

>>899059
Would you like cheese with your ass-burgers? Take this kind of pedantic whining to IRC, where somebody will at least think it's funny.

Possibility of using it with 100% Free software. GPU needs to be either Mali or Adreno.

>>899068
120hrz would be overkill for emulation and unnecessary.

>>899082
Wrong. 120Hz + strobeable LED backlight allows for flawless black frame insertion for 60fps games. Gives you literally better than CRT motion quality.

LED driver needs high enough current for good brightness at about 10% duty cycle, and the LEDs need good heat sinking so they survive it.

>>899094
>Gives you literally better than CRT motion quality.
No.

>>899095
With big enough LED driver, yes. Remember, CRTs don't have instant phosphor decay.

Even with 50% duty cycle or software black frame insertion it's very close to CRT quality. I use software black frame insertion myself and it's fully acceptable. 10% duty cycle would definitely beat a CRT.

Is the screen a touchscreen? I don't really care if it is, I'm just wondering.

>>898843
Are you going to have different colors or special editions available? Something that would be pretty cool is interchangeable face plates and grips.

>>898764
If I do a 2-player game with a friend like NBA Jam, will there be any Lag with the Bluetooth setup? I'm assuming it would show up on both our screens instead of just one of the screens? I only ask this because when playing over ZSNES online I have had issues where my button presses are delayed to my friends computer and on his screen I am acting like a retard and losing by 50 points when on my screen I am winning by 50 points because his button presses are delayed. I want to be able to play a good multiplayer game without any hassle.

Have you tested the multiplayer functions using these emulators you will be using? I'm just curious how easy it is to connect to another device, will we have friend codes, or will there be a lobby where we can chat with people and set up games?

I hope you didn't forget bluetooth/headphone jack. Bluetooth for snes multiplayer, hell multiplayer on many emulators to hook up a second controller.

>>900482
He mentioned bluetooth in >>898764 but I dont see any mention of a headphone jack.

>>899095
Actually, yes

>nobody ever cares about the six face buttons for capcom fighters

>>900537
Better to use shoulder buttons on a portable. 6 face buttons only works when you can press them all with fingers, not thumb.

>>900546
Works like a fucking charm man.
Have you ever touched a Saturn controller?

If this thing can emulate PS1, PSP, PS2, NES, SNES, Genesis, 32X, Sega CD, Saturn, FDS, and every other console ever, I will happily give you my money.

>>900549
I suppose it could work.

>>900570
literally no one plays saturn fighters like that, just get good thumb speed

>>900572
Or use an arcade stick and have instant access to the buttons without weird and slow thumb movements.

>>900575
they're only weird and slow if you're shitty :) get good

there's a reason why these pads are the standard for fightpads

>>900572
How are you supposed to do 3 buttons at once moves if you're using your thumb? It will require so much contortion of your wrist that you'll definitely miss the next input. Most of the Street Fighter games require these moves.

>>900579
It doesn't matter how good you are, it will always take longer to move your thumb from one button to another than to press a button with a finger that's already there.

If I was forced to use a Saturn controller I'd hold it like >>900570

>>900597
So what is the consensus here for 6 button face emulation? I don't play any systems that use 6 buttons so I prefer seeing a 4 button face with two concave buttons like on the NTSC SNES because those are quite comfy

I'm not really into fighters but this controller discussion is pretty interesting.
If you're having to do all these rapid button combinations, I guess it makes sense to go piano-mode

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>>900615
It might be hard to do on a handheld though because the buttons tend to be very small (i.e. the nintendo DS) and piano mode would be tricky

>>900628
yeah, saturn buttons aren't very big and they don't have much distance between them
>>900627
what the hell was that post

>>900640
what post?
>enjoy having your information stolen

Is OP going to come back ? I am curious about this whole thing and want to ask some more questions

>>900570
>never used a saturn controller
>still pitches in his ridiculous opinnion on it

>>900709
Apparently touching a Saturn controller gives you magical teleporting thumbs. Good to know, but I think I'll stick with my arcade controller anyway.

>>900627
The fuck is happening here

Anyways, I also vouch for the 1 part Dpad. I have a JXD S7300, and I love the Nintendo style Dpad. The ability to slide your thumb around on one seemless part, instead of several different buttons, is a great plus.

Also you said the most social we could get was logging into your forums through the device? Would it be possible to get wifi on it, and maybe have a browser on it like Chrome or something? I use my JXD a lot for just lurking 4chan while in bed or something, it's pretty nice.

>>900563

Perfect PSP and PS2 won't be ready at launch but it will happen in time.

>>900650

On mobile, I'll do my best to answer stuff.

>>900762

I meant social features integrated into the console, there will be an internet browser if you want to browse Facebook or twitter

Also somewhere up there people were wondering about a headphone jack, it's on the bottom, similar to where the 3DS headphone jack is

>>898264

Nope, on all devices. It will rear its ugly head when you try to run higher powered emulators like VBA or DeSmuMe without frameskipping

This sounds awesome but PLEASE DON'T USE ANDROID.

Android is really bad for emulation.

I'm not sure what else you could use but android is really awful for emulation.

Other than that this sounds awesome./

>>898295
>Run natively coded emus, then no garbage collector issues

Nope, it doesn't work like that. Just ask developers behind RetroArch, one of which is really outspoken against Android because of these issues

>>898323
Its running android so it will be bad.

save your money.

Call it the Game Child

>>900628
I played SSF4 on a 3DS and it used the shoulder buttons for both Heavy Kicks and Punches whilst ABXY was light/medium. It was fine, if there was two more buttons alongside ABXY, it would feel a little awkward and overkill.

That being said, I would like six buttons for the sake of having all N64 buttons mapped.

>>901094
What is so bad about it? I just don't see how hard it is to run an emulator for hardware from the 90's

waiting on my gcw-zero

any day now

finally starting to lose my hype

>>901883
Input lag is an unavoidable part of the system.

>>902254
Wasn't it released yet?

This looks really promising OP. You should get in touch with the RetroArch devs too, though I dunno how they'll take it since they don't like how their regular Android build came out due to Android silliness.

How well would Dreamcast emulation work on this?

>>902381
What do the retroarch devs know about building hardware?

>>902442
I meant moreso about getting RetroArch on it.

>>900570
I know this isn't retro, but that's how I play Soul Caliber II on PS2. Don't even need the shoulder buttons.

>>901096
>>Nope, it doesn't work like that. Just ask developers behind RetroArch

Yeah it does work like that. I'm more than familiar with squarepusher's incessant whining about android, which has less to do with android itself and more to do with the various manufacturers (different screen refresh rates, shitty bluetooth stacks, etc). Retroarch devs will tell you to make sure you're not running shitty java apps in the background, especially poorly programmed widgets. If you're not running shitty java apps the garbage collector has fuck all to do, and nothing to collect. Lastly the GC operates differently on jellybean, is far less intrusive and no longer a showstopper.

>>902726
You're retarded holy crap.

>>902726
why not just go with any of the dozens of linux distros out there instead of playing russian roulette with performance and going with android if all you care about is retro emulation?

also, android also has the worst audio support out there and even those google says certain devices can get a fastpath through opensl, you still can get up to 30ms lag from that alone. so it's not just bad manufacturers (but they are a big problem too).

>>902726
stop trying to defend android, its shit.

>>900563
>PS1, NES, SNES, Genesis, 32X, Sega CD, , FDS,

All doable. RetroArch alone already handles most of them.

>Saturn

There is ONE emulator that's worth anything for the Saturn, and it's Windows Only. Saturn emulation is problematic at best. There's no multi system solution and nothing open sourced.

>PSP,

Possible. PPSSPP is coming along nicely.

>PS2,

haha, no never going to happen.

>>902864
NONE of these will ever happen its still on android

not even retroarch can handle those emulators good enough and the retroarch devs are outspoken against android.

android=shit

>>902868
But I know for a fact that PS1, PSP, NES, SNES, Genesis, and Sega CD have emulators on Android, and they work fine for me. It's fine if you don't like Android, but you don't have to blantantly lie about it.

>>902270
They've released 90 of the 150 special edition a couple weeks ago. Everyone complained about d-pad sticking issues so they all got sent back to the factory to be replaced. This includes the kickstarter units as well, if they were ever actually here. I have a feeling that the kickstarter unit batches are still in production and GCW receiving them at a rate of 200 a month. The 200 he got last month he sent back. The 200 from this month will have the fixed d-pad, but won't be sent until the 60 special edition units are received, reflashed, and sent. Next month there should be 2 batches received. So I'm guessing that the first 600 kickstarter backers could will have their units by the end of August and the last backers will receive theirs in December.

>>902868
>>not even retroarch can handle those emulators good enough

>maxautism

Retroarch handles those emulators just fine, I've been playing them without issue.

>>902868
What? Squarepusher has said that he dislikes android but he's never said that it was shit.

>>902917
>that screen
>that awful analog
Absolutely disgusting.

>>902917
Were they working with chinese manufacturers or what?

>>895654
Question - how much different than the JXD S7800 do you think your specs are?

Noting that the S7300b that is already out is pretty much almost that - except $130 (not sure on GPU though, I don't think it's dual).

What size screen are you going with?
I'm not trying to hate, I am genuinely curious.

>>902987
Of course they were. Want a cheap affordable device?

>>902994
Forgot links.
Just wondering how it compares to this that is currently out, the S7300b (the JXD site is down at moment for some reason, but here is cached)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Aml3RSZQOOEJ:www.jxd.hk/products.asp%3Fid%3D627%26selectclassid%3D009006+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

And the S7800 which will be coming out, but don't know really much of anything about it, except that it appears to be quad core CPU.
http://boards.dingoonity.org/jxd-devices/(s7800)pictures-and-info-colections/

>>903068
http://www.foxoffer.com/jxd-s7300-dual-core-hd-king-game-pad2-p-324.html#.UeLr_Y3VBBk

>>902994

EON (in comparison to S7300B)
+Bluetooth
+Quad Core (if enough funding)
+L2 + R2
+Stereo Speakers
+Normal sized SD and HDMI ports
+Home button (no onscreen controls)

>>902726

Sorry son, Android is still shit.

Just admit the fact that even beyond the grave, Steve Jobs is kicking your Googly ass every single day. Pass that note on to Ms. Hackborn if you will - she'll need it to keep up the cognitive dissonance that this garbage piece of shit OS can actually compete with iOS.

Stupid twits that want to defend Android - ugh. Fuck Java, fuck Google, fuck Hackborn.

>>902726

BTW son, never forget -

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3434

FOUR FUCKING YEARS. AND COUNTING.

Now how the fuck are you going to solve something that even Google hasn't yet 'solved' on 'insert my own shovelware Android tablet/phone thingie', huh?

Do let the world know when you've finally solved this - I'd imagine at least a thousand other engineers are eager to learn of your great accomplishment. Ie. 'how to make pigs fly with bad Java garbage audio APIs - like AudioFlinger'.

>>902963

I am Squarepusher, and let me correct you -

it is not shit.

It is DOGshit.

There is a difference!

The worst OS since Windows 9x? Yes.

>>903921

There's a lot of benefits to staying with android, but there's a lot of benefits to getting a custom fit OS.

Also I'd appreciate it if you took this survey, it allows me to get a better grasp at what people are looking for in this system.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ieeDP0MoCbsBY6c2awGUN4lnq1uxLXeKJUI7PfJiwt8/viewform

>>903940

Honestly, make sure your GPU/SoC you are intending to use on 'insert homebrand tablet with game controls'

1) Has binay blob drivers for GPU on ARM LInux
2) Make a slimline ARM LInux distro - build some GUI around it for easy navigation
3) Make sure that your display interface and your screen is any good since we don't want any crappy sub-60Hz refreshrates, incessant ghosting or (on Odroid U2) HDMI PHY not being good enough for adequate Vsync.

' There are alot of benefits to staying with Android' - only as a fallback and a 'look - it runs Android as well'. For emulation purposes, Android is the worst of the worst you can go with except for maybe feature phone OSes.

>>902906

Frameskip is not 'running fine'. Neither is crap audio latency up to 300ms.

Just because it runs doesn't mean it's any good compared to the competition.

>>903969
All those programs have options for turning frame skipping on or off, and I always turn it off, and it always runs fine.

Those are really terrible positions for the buttons.

>>895654
please tell me that the D-pad isn't gay like in your picture. The worst thing about these cheap chinese devices is the buttons. Look at the Ouya. You need quality buttons. And at 800x480 why not just use a backlit DS sized screen with good viewing angles.

honestly for retro gaming I'd be happy with something that looked like pic related but ran android.

i.mx6 seems like a decent chip, but might be too expensive.

>>903870
What size screen?

>>903870
I believe S7300B has L2 + R2. It also lists "Stereo Double Speaker" though I don't know what that means.

7800 will have quadcore, but who knows what price (if same 130 as 7300b is now, I will be picking one up as soon as they come out).

>>905258
>>903870

L2 + R2 on both sides
http://www.willgoo.com/images/JXD-S7300-Details-10.JPG

>GameBro SkyCaptain
If you do name it that way, make it absolutely sure the logo is in desert chrome.

>>905231
You should get a Dingoo then, I think OP is going for competent PS1/N64 emulation. Hence the screen and two analogs.

>>905391
what I really want is a quad core phone with D-pad and buttons.

So is it going to be ARM or x86?

>>905398
>x86
lol

>>905403
Just asking bruv, you never know

>>905398
It's going to have to be arm, x86 would be too large and generate too much heat. Also, ARM allows for better GBA, DS, and possibly PSP emulation.

>>905391
>>905397
>>905398
>>905439

What kind of specs would be needed to emulate DS?
Is there anything out there (handheld I mean) that can do DS? Or is there anything on the horizon that can do it 100%

Anyone have any idea how far away something like gamecube would be from handheld emulation?

why can't we just get a working SNES emulator on the PSP? That is all I want

>>905701
The scene really isn't that active anymore, since the PSP is getting more and more outdated. It's pretty unlikely a new SNES emulator will be developed for PSP.

>>905701
I felt the same way when I picked up my PSP to play it for the first time since about 2008. I went to update my emulators, only to find there wasn't much of any update.

However, I did find SNES Euphoria, which, while not great, plays Kirby's Dream Land 3 better than SNES9x.

KDL3 is my "tester" game on PSP, since it ran horrible on snes9x, and on euphoria, it runs slightly better - it was unplayable at all before, now I'd say its BARELY playable, as in, if you could put up with it going kinda slow.

>>906343
Euphoria is also SNES9x you dolt. Pretty much all SNES emulators not on PC are SNES9x based

>>906395
Ok well what I meant is the Euphoria version is the best version of SNES9x I've come across.
Asswipe.

>>906437
>Asswipe.
>>>/v/

>>899000
You know the rules.


Also, OP, if everything works out, you have yourself another customer.

Hey OP, how is your timeline looking so far? I'm curious to see how you are making out and what this thing will perform like.Do you have anymore images to show us? And what is your business model like? Would you need to sell 1,000 units at 150$ after tax to be making a profit? I'm curious to see if you will be offering accessories to first buyers or a custom/limited colour scheme on some?

>>907819
It's a scam.

Stop bumping it.

>>902864
>Saturn
Yabause is also for Mac (and for Linux, I think?)

>PS2
hey man
maybe one day :3