/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
since 2000s, everyone has had obsession with realism in 3D. "more realistic = objectively better" has been the paradigm of 3D. vice versa, old colorful games were looked down as kiddy and old. this is only starting to get questioned today.
2000s-2010s also had this trend of "color = gay, shades of grey = cool" kind of mentality that is still prevalent to this day.

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
Splatoon sort of has this? It feels and looks like a Sega game

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
they do
not most aaa games though since they're lame

>>8960232
>>8960236
While I'd say that there are still a good few games out today that still have some vibrant color to them, it does feel like games have been somewhat sapped of their color ever since the 2000s - early 2010s focus on more realistic-looking games.

>>8960232
Soul was gradually discontinued through the early 2000s, too cost ineffective

>>8960254
Let’s not forget the “brown and bloom” era…

I want to play that new Kirby game but can't because reasons. I also miss that blue sky vibe

>>8960236
I haven't bought a console since PS2 but used to occasionally play newer games round a friends house and it seemed to me like every PS3/4 game he had was the same dark, dingey FPS I could barely tell apart

>>8960232
Games like overwatch and Fortnite have super colorful art styles, but the end result isn’t the same, can’t put my finger on it.

>>8960267
Maybe it's the games themselves that may be throwing you off?

>>8960275
I haven’t played them I’m just saying visually in motion or in photos they don’t look the same. It could be the hyper realistic lighting, or something else. I think modern video games look sterile but older games have a more surrealist look

>>8960232
This may just be nostalgia speaking but there's just some thing about Dreamcast era BLUES that I can't help but adore. It just gives me such a summer vibe.

>>8960267
It's because those games have no coherent art style of their own.
Well, Overwatch is less guilty, but PUBG, Fortnite and countless other battle royal games that followed ditched any style in favor of "lol so random" aesthetics that unsuccessfully merges different things together and in the end you can’t remember anything.
Look at the girl with unicorn staff in this commercials, this is what I'm talking about.
https://youtu.be/euiSHuaw6Q4

>>8960267
they're colorful by current year standard. older games were still more colorful

>>8960261
Well PS4 had Gravity Rush...

>>8960267
Yeah because they look like nu-Pixar shit, it's not the same

>>8960294
>>8960291
>>8960290
>>8960275
So is it the colors or not? I don’t think we’re still in the brown and bloom stage like we were before. I think it’s more an issue of lighting or something more subtle but I can’t say.

I understand what you are talking about guys, you mean late 90s/early 00s tropical setting with that SEGA blue sky, but what are your thoughts on Mirror's Edge?

>>8960302
it's true the shadows in modern games are much more soft and realistic. thus even brightly colored objects will be balanced by more muted shades.
but even colorful games like Fortnite simply have generic style and very safe art direction. they don't do anything daring and don't try to make an artistic statement.
also remember that 90s was peak of oversaturated colors era, so 90s games will naturally try to go for bright palettes.

I prefer the look of older games, but is there a chance that the look of older games being more interesting is a result of there being a looser less cohesive art direction instead of a tighter one where everything looks identical? I realize this is the opposite of what some of you are saying, but because older games used so many tricks and clever hacks to get things working, I have a feeling a lot of games look unique as a result of everything being made a little differently, instead of every object being made the same way.

>>8960328
>I have a feeling a lot of games look unique as a result of everything being made a little differently, instead of every object being made the same way.
I think that's definitely part of it. There are more games built using the same engines nowadays.

>>8960318
The design is understandably corporate, but it was a very nice looking game

>>8960332
No I mean many assets in the same scene back in the 90s could have been made in a handful of ways or any different programs using weird techniques that may or may not have even been practical but resulted in a interesting and pleasant result. Assets in the same game

>>8960346
Yeah, what I'm saying is there's more standardized ways of doing things so they don't have to use those weird techniques anymore.

>>8960287
>>8960232
Older early-3D era games tended to have more vibrant skyboxes in my opinion and that's especially noticable in Dreamcast games. Dreamcast beaches and forests look fucking BEAUTIFUL. I think that and the slight presence of compression to inadvertedly give an effect of a painting is part of it.

>>8960267
Palettes are less bright and there's way less contrast going on. You can see it in nu-pixel art games too, the colors tend to be washed out. It's just what's "in" now. Plus I'd add that the "overwatch-clones" games look incredibly fucking soulless.

>>8960267
FN has colorblind modes and Tritanopia actually makes the game look better and more colorful

>>8960346
I think that’s definitely true of hyper-early 3D games circa 1994 like UAKM

>>8960443
I feel like I’m close to cracking the code, I think a lot of people gravitate for unknown reasons towards art that isn’t completely perfect or photoaccurate because the photorealistic stuff is boring to them. the surreal or impressionist stuff tends to attract more people. when the lighting in an art piece is incorrect, sometimes it can make a more interesting outcome. the reason why some people might like the look of older games is because the brain or the eye could tell a lot of things didnt quite match up. But looked close enough to be enjoyable to look at. This could explain why some older games have a dreamy or uncanny feeling to them in a way that draws people in. I’m
Just spitballing though. I feel like I’m
On to something.

>>8960403
>>8960409
If you guys want maybe make some images.

>>8960451
?
try it next time you play FN
activate Tritanopia with the slider to max

>>8960456
Implying I’ve ever played or downloaded the game, nice image though looks painterly, might hinder the gameplay though seeing other guys

>>8960450
I think you are. Maybe it’s because it’s more like a dream or something? A bit surreal, weird, inconsistent, not entirely cohesive, yet telling a story overall.

>>8960462
Well I think In older games, there was a more intimate touch in designing the levels, because you couldn’t just turn a light on and have everything lit, you had to cheat and paint shadows on things sometimes, and use floating lights in random areas to create the scene you wanted. Lots of little tricks where it looks really good but isn’t realistic. more of an art diorama than a realistic environment I guess. I’m not sure. I think sometimes there were instances where people knew just a bit more light or shadow in this area would look good, but the final result wasn’t maybe consistent with real lighting and they had to cheat to get the effect that wanted for the sake of mood or ambience. kind of rambling I guess.

>>8960450
you're right, but it's a well-known concept in art. you could make a hyper-detailed photorealistic painting, but it gets boring after a while. theres no imagination in it. it's just "dry" and soulless. on the other hand, you could make a surreal painting that will not be very accurate, but it will be much more interesting and fun to look at.
it's like literary description of weather filled with metaphors VS a dry description of weather seen in a forecast. the latter is art, the former isn't.
this is part why old graphics have this abstract art, surreal feel to them. no matter what you did, you couldn't get completely realistic with it. the more limited it was, the more surreal it felt. Atari games look like borderline abstract artwork.

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
Because you stopped buying them.

>>8960513
I guess any of us that got to play games up to the Xbox 360 era or maybe before that, the ps2 era, got to live in an exciting time where the games were both abstract looking, or unique, but also the height of what was feasible, so no one could say it was half assed either. Personally I find a lot of the older PlayStation 1 games pretty bizarre looking, but in a way that grabs my attention. My first console was a n64 for what it’s worth.

>>8960318
>>8960335
Ironic that Mirror's Edge is constantly lauded as a game whose visuals aged gracefully.

>>8961041
i always liked it back then, never got the hate. I'm sure most complains are from people bad at it.

>>8960290
Nah, I'd say Fortnite does have a cohesive artstyle, it just looks very generic like your typical mobile game. And Overwatch just looks like another Blizzard game. Also these games lack contrast too, probably due to the use of LCD panels.

>>8961041
it had very defined art direction and style. few games have this now

>>8960236
I blame the military shooter craze in the late 2000s. Everything just looks washed out now.

>>8960513
What game is this?

>>8961104
Virtua Racing

>>8960236
Global lighting always makes the image homogenized. everything 6th gen and before had to be deliberate with the colors on their textures/sprites making it more like painting a world with a specific color palette in mind instead of letting the engine calculate all the colors.

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
.... its blue

>>8960267
is because you're a bitter old boomer

>>8960294
>nu-Pixar
That explains it. I couldn't figure out why exactly I hated the look of Super Mario Odyssey so much. I actually find it disgusting, especially compared to something like Emerald Coast in SA1.

Wave Rave 64

>>8960287
I'd say it's "SEGA blues", but I know what you mean. I'd argue it started with the Saturn though.

>>8960318
DICE made some amazing looking games around this time, both this and Battlefield 3 still look amazing despite BF3 having the grey filter

>>8960232
It's simple. Good art is good art, and that trancends time and technology.

Color was a massive part of arcade games, because being a coin magnet requires flair and pizazz, like how peacocks display plumage.
Gaming shifted over more toward the FPS and Action Adventure genres so we lost some color.
Crysis and Metroid Prime prove that it's possible in shooters though. Also, Nintendo- as much as many of you hate them- still put or those eye-catchers like the Mario series and Kirby

>>8961041
Why ironic? Every sane person thought it looked good back when it first came out too

>>8961248
Mario fell off REAL bad after Galaxy 2 in terms of art style. 3D Land is just boring, 3D World is sometimes even good but Odyssey looks like absolute trash. And I think it's obvious what Mario game everyone in this thread considers to have the best visuals

>>8961590
What in specific looks like ass in odyssey? I think they did a good job with not making the models look like some budget pixar characters.

I miss orange sunsets, always feels so nostalgic

>>8961604
I don't know it just doesn't feel right to me. There is not a single location in this game that I enjoy. I'm not a big fan of this game in general, it's the only 3D Mario I never bothered to 100% honestly. And I'm the one to say that every modern game is bad, I adore BoTW's art style a lot

Yakuza 3, another modern example of a Sega game that feels like a Sega game

>>8961624
>I'm not the one
fix'd

>>8961626
>feels like a Sega game
Is that a diss? Because Yakuza 3 was the worst one. I can't deny that it doesn't look pretty good for the time though.

>>8961626
So do many of Japan's beach towns have those clear blue skies and whatnot? That seems like Sega's sauce of influence.

>>8961637
Depends where you go

>>8961636
Don't want to start shit but it can't be the worst one because Okinawa and because it has a better final boss than 4,5 and 6

>>8961636
>3
>worst
you mean 4

>>8961613
agreed. reminds me of playing ps2 with my friends on summer nights

It's not even just the scenery. I think the music also did a lot to really help set the mood. It had a really peppy sound too it. Really helped sell the brightness of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLGRrs0Tayk&list=PLZ3StbOeBZgJcAeusNzRrwDVXQBC2nwp8&index=5

>>8960450
This is why Spyro on the ps1 is regarded by people as better than the remakes

>>8960232
SOVL

>>8960450
I always thought pic rel summed it up quite nice. Any braindead moron can take in realism because it's all they know, but not everyone can appreciate art or primitive visuals. Not everyone has the imagination to capture stuff like that beyond childhood, so they dismiss anything cartoonish or not adhering to realism as childish. It's no surprise that the advancements in technology led to the sterilization of interesting visuals and games as a whole.

>>8960236
>shades of *brown = cool
ftfy

>people who complain about the lack of colourful expressive games, but refuse to play Nintendo games, or anything indie.
Sega aren't making another console, man. You need to get over it.

>>8961248
I felt the same about Super Mario Sunshine.

>>8961983
I'm a tendie till I die and even I need to admit Nintendo fell off hard post-Iwata. Odyssey is a good game but the HUD is so utterly soulless. The minimalist HUDs are almost in every game I've played from Nu-Nintendo, it's awful. Indie games still have plenty of gems but they're not easy to find.

>>8961987
It's not just Mario though. Kirby just came out, and that game's really charming. Splatoon is probably the best modern example of a Nintendo game that irradiates personality.

Because taste was lost. Modern games are just garrish. They're capable of so many more colors and effects at a time, but they don't have the restraint to use the appropriately. Also game art design has been infested by color theory fags. Hideous neon colors are used to show LOOK OVER HERE constantly.

Because taste was lost. Modern games are just garish. They're capable of so many more colors and effects at a time, but they don't have the restraint to use them appropriately. Also game art design has been infested by color theory fags. Hideous neon colors are used to shout LOOK OVER HERE constantly.

>>8962889
It just feels so focus grouped.

I'm just not sure I even like video games anymore.

>>8960232
>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?
They don't look as appealing on non-CRT displays. Around mid 00, most gamers moved onto LCD screens and boring brown/grey games followed.

>>8960258
I wonder if people will develop a nostalgia for this era

>>8963024
I already prefer it to modern games. There's something dreamlike about it, it's a cool aesthetic.

>>8963025
It has an almost sepia-tone like effect.
I don't think I will ever like that late 6th gen 7th gen look of brown and bloom.
But sometimes it looks decent
does shadow of the colossus fall into that?

>>8961637
Japan tends to have a lot of high cloud and I didn't find the summer skies to be particularly intense. I'd say it's stylisation/idealisation.

Please provide the names for the games :(

>>8960450
I think you are close. But people tend to judge less when things are pleasant. Their judgement is disarmed in a sense. I think that is a good strategy with entertainment.

>>8963059
Superman 64. unironically, that game sold so many copies, and was so highly regarded, it basically halted production of Mario 64 2. By the time nintendo thought they could match it, they ended up needing to port their work over onto their next console and made super Mario sunshine.

>>8962963
They look fantastic on OLED.

>>8961515
>that same scene from Blade Runner ripped off in every Japanese game

>>8963316
this
>le cee R tee meme

>>8963320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O7VTw1E3b4

Games have definitely lost their artistry in the name of photorealism. Decent lighting and colour shading can elevate the feel so much. This Tekken airport map had such perfect lighting and art direction that you could almost feel the fresh crisp morning air.

>>8963448
Honestly those maps are really cool in general, tekken 4 is the only one in the entire franchise that captivated me. I wish someone would make videos on YouTube taking a freecam around exploring those maps.

>>8963320
You realise the urban setting in bladerunner was inspired by Japan, right anon?

>>8963452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUfahPc0pMk&ab_channel=Alisara
I had the exact same thought as did the uploader of this video because he went through all the Tekken 4 stages just walking around. Not free cam but pretty cool. I agree, they have a certain magic and atmosphere to them that makes them memorable and fun to look at.

>>8963517
For me the other one I liked a lot was the rooftops map, it had good music. The one I found most impressive to try to explore around was the mall level though.

>>8963448
Am I the only one who thinks that Tekken 4 and Vice City are sort of similar?

>>8963531
Never played vice city so can’t say, what I can say though is watching that video I really want to go inside of those buildings and see stuff up close and what they modeled considering they made areas that look fun to explore. I wonder if the same
Guys who made these maps even work at namco anymore? They should just hire those guys again. I also think aesthetically
A lot of the characters best costumes were in 4 also. something different was going on in that dev team back then

>>8963529
Yes! Such a dark and mysterious level and Authentic Sky was an unreal track.

>>8963531
The mall looks really good too, like it's full of energy. The sunshine through the skylight looks amazing and the water looks delicious lol.

Another example of bright colour usage and masterful lighting is Gran Turismo 3 from 2001. People play it upscaled on emulators and imo it still looks excellent compared to much newer racing games.

>>8963548
Which looks way better than the blandness in picrel

>>8963540
>Art director
https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,274772/
>Stage Designer
https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,213196/

>>8963554
H..he’s fast…

so overall, its the lack of stylish graphics thats missing. I, probably like many others, thought that the closer we get to realistic graphics, the better games will look. at least as a kid I thought that. but really what I wanted was something fantastic that looked like it could be real. which when you think about it, doesnt imply a strict adherence to realism at all.

>>8963548
>>8963551
Original skybox looks a lot more interesting, but as for the rest of the image I’m not sure if it’s the color or contrast or what. The trees seem as colorful. the road I think had a yellow tint in the new one from the sun, but I’m
Not sure. I’m not the best at seeing color. but I can tell there is a difference.

>>8963554
Why would someone be the stage director in 4 but only have a “special thanks” in 5? Doesn’t look like he was even involved in 6 at all. And I’m 7 he didn’t even do anything from what I can tell with stages.

>>8963581
What does 'special thanks' even mean in this case? Were stage designers of Sm4sh, SCIV and Tekken 5 inspired by his work or something?

>>8963565
The newer game looks good on a technical level but I find it a bit sterile looking and the map designs often feel rushed to me. All the Forza games I've played from the 2010s blend together in my head. Maybe it's nostalgia talking but older racing games feel warmer and more characterful.

>>8960232
Portal runner ps2

>>8963597
No it looks sterile to me also. But I can’t pinpoint why or what it is. I can see a difference but idk what it is. It’s hard to make a comparison because I think the pictures are compositionally a lot different bit the sky box is objectively obvious that it’s more detailed and more colorful in the original. That much seems consistent with most new games that have remasters

>have better technology to make the most of graphics
>somehow despite having more colors everything looks shitty or washed out
ironic

>>8960250
Splatoon looks like dogshit

>>8960232
There's no good colorists nowadays.
This has been happening since LCD became the dominant display technology.

>>8960251
I'm glad brown'n'bloom era is gone, even post-apoc shit gotta have blue skies

>>8963467
>You realise the urban setting in bladerunner was inspired by Japan
Horseshit. Ridley Scott said it was inspired by Hong Kong.
Most Cyberpunk authors cite Hong Kong.

And that scene is definitely from Blade Runner in particular.

>>8963913
Left looks better

>>8963913
well… to be fair, Fallout 2 was all brown (sans bloom), so it kind of fit
i imagine the skies weren't exactly crystal clear either

>>8962889
>>8962943
I don't think I've ever really played a modern game that really looks garish or "focus grouped", though I might just not be looking close enough, myself.

>>8963880
>NO IT'S THE DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY THATS WRONG!

>>8960232
if you like the "chill, appealing, early 3d tropical vacation" vibe of emerald coast (it rules) just emulate sega model 2 games. outrun is an early example of that vibe from sega too

y2k tropical/beach aesthetic was great

>>8963924
>>8963941

>>8964002
Wtf is it with Sega and skies. Why are they so blue. And why can’t other devs do it

>>8964015
Sega has a patent on that particular blue value. Need to pay them money to use it elsewhere

>>8963029
What game is that?

I've been thinking about this too, especially as I've been playing my N64 games on my new OLED I bought. I think it's because they didn't have the sophisticated real time lighting they do nowadays so they had to rely on colors to do that instead

Although I'm sure what I said is only part of it. Is it just the vibrancy? The gradients?

Doom's still a beauty. Screenshot is in 13 bit color - 32 colors a 32 shades.
On the Genesis, albeit it has meager color depth, Snatcher had some awesome art.

>>8964094

Correction: 256 colors a 32 shades.

>>8964015
one thing I noticed about the PS2 remake of Virtua Cop 2 (which I had no idea existed until a few days ago is that the appealing basic hues I associated with it were gone. new colors are just boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsVXnnyqBa4&t=1649s&ab_channel=otoko4th

why is the fucking jewelry store not purple anymore? no need to look serious this is a series where the bad guys' hq is labeled EVIL INC

>>8964145
oops didn't mean to link a time in the video.

while I'm on the subject of sega shootans the recent yoge kusoge house of the dead remake's art direction is so shit it likely makes the gameplay worse cuz the targets are less readable; everything has the shitty modern color filter and meshes together

>>8964058
Desperados probably

Probably one of the worst style downgrades I've seen
Yeah the graphics are next-gen but where are the colors? Why is it so boring to look at?
If you told me bottom is supposed to be wolfenstein I wouldn't believe you

>>8964169
Bottom is supposed to be Wolfenstein

>>8964175
Bullshit

>>8961613
Same brudda.
>>8963531
I forgot how good that game looks, soundtrack is amazing too.

Bright colours are visually appealing and moving away from it as a whole was a mistake.

>>8963606
Is this an ocarina of time- em-up?

>>8964545
yeah its like zelda but with good gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4wOSDIYo38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44PmA9lpkSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxAdd0sYZ8

>>8963960
If the neon shit they put in every modern game doesn't look garish to you, and completely unnatural especially in a natural environment, I don't know what to tell you.

>>8964864
Sonic if he Xenoblade

>>8960232
>>8961886
>>8961118
>>8961098
I don't know if you guys are just behind the times or what but one of the common youngster complaints about games these days is that they're TOO colourful. See threads on /v/ all the time having nostalgia for the brown n' bloom days. Seriously.
Elden Ring is the new hot thing and it has fantastic use of colour.

>>8963024
It's already happening on /v/.

>>8963467
Japan's not actually very futuristic. It's China that's filled with futuristic cities. At the time of Blade Runner not much on the mainland would've fit the bill but HK was very much along the lines of the artstyle.

>>8965067
>I don't know if you guys are just behind the times
And proud of it!

>>8960258
No matter how mediocre the games industry is on the whole now, I don't think it ever got worse than the early to mid-7th gen. That was the era where creativity and fun just fucking died for a while.
It was the perfect storm of companies on the one hand wanting to appeal to teen edgelords who hate colour or anything that's imaginative in the slightest, on the other hand wanting to appeal to the new casual audience that Wii Sports had bought in, and dumbing every thing down. Good Nintendo games being tied to a controller that only worked about half of the time, and indie games only really existing in a very limited capacity compared to what we have now.

a lot of games are to bright theses days, case in point >>8964864

>>8964864
I don't think that looks garish. It just looks really bland, and not much like a Sonic game. If it looked like this, I'd be more into it.

>>8965142
>to appeal to the new casual audience that Wii Sports had bought in
At least Wii Sports was a fucking video game unlike most of the shit that casuals enjoy now.
>Good Nintendo games being tied to a controller
Mario Galaxy and No More Heroes were a lot of fun. Also as for 'casual games', overall Mario Galaxy 2 and DKC Returns are harder than Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. They all came out around 2010-2011 yet everyone only memed about the latter two.
>Sin and Punishment 2
>Castlevania Adventure REbirth
If anything the Wii was more hardcore than anything else haha

>>8963598
The army men games got weird

>>8964864
I moreso think of picrel whenever I think of colorful modern games.

>>8965169
I like the Wii as a console, but it always came with the drawback that you were going to use motion control, and the motion control was usually not better than if you had been able to just press a button, with the exception of games that basically just treated the controller like a computer mouse.
The Wii is probably the most inoffensive console of that generation, as far as things go. It had an okay variety of games. On-rails shooters were a thing again for a while.

>>8963985
It is.
LCD has shit contrast/black levels and colors so it caused a snowball effect when it comes to video games.

>>8960232
It's a conspiracy.
They are trying to make games look darker and blander so that they can make you feel more depressed. Games today are made by social sadists. Games back then were made by bros and gaming enthusiasts.

>>8965067
>I don't know if you guys are just behind the times or what but one of the common youngster complaints about games these days is that they're TOO colourful. See threads on /v/ all the time having nostalgia for the brown n' bloom days. Seriously.
Who cares about Gen 7 subhumans?
And also Elden Ring isn't all that colorful.

>>8965153
Then you simply have no taste.

>>8965215
Should you blame something people can easily change on the developers? All these games look good on an OLED as well as CRT, so it's not the game

>>8965273
How is a green field with one light in it "garish"? It's just boring.

>>8965279
The point is that games are made with LCD technology in mind.
When MicroLED displays hit the mainstream and LCD gets abandoned maybe just maybe we'll go back to the old days of great looking games with great looking color and art direction but at the same time I'm not holding my breath because making good looking games is like a lost art now.

The kike overlords brainwashed everyone into thinking that unless its dark, gritty and full of violence and cursing its childish crap.

>>8965286
microLED is already phased out and dead, so go back to 2018 hoping it finally comes in and dethrones crt or whatever.

>>8965142
>That was the era where creativity and fun just fucking died for a while.
I stopped playing games altogether around this time even though I was in that age group (graduated the year Gears of War came out) and had a 360. My sister had a wii and I randomly bought Mario Galaxy 2 for her and realized that games could be fun again.

>>8965281
I can’t explain taste to someone who doesn’t have it.

>>8965181
Love the color of the sky and water, too bad im not a fan of monster hunters gameplay

>>8965402
Post something that's not garish.

>>8965417
>>8960232

>>8963024
I felt a lot of nostalgia when I replayed assassins creed 2 recently. But it was more for the menus, sounds, and the way that game design that generation was so standardized and modular.

>>8965442
That ironically is garish. The colours are all in your face. There's a load of dolphins jumping all over the screen. Excessive lens flare. The water is basically neon. Sonic Frontiers looks way more reserved, which is why it's boring.

>>8960236
Stop trying to sound smart, trends only become all-encompassing if you're a boring loser who only pays attention to mainstream games.

>>8965494
Shut up faggot

>>8965494
I'm sorry you have been diagnosed with zoomeritus anon

>>8965494
I can get saying that Frontier is reserved, but Adventure is not fucking garish in the least.

>>8965502
theres no such thing as a nonmainstream game anymore

>>8965528
>>8965530
>I come in with a better argument, and now people are upset, and throwing the Z word
okay, lol

>>8965535
He would have posted that in response to any game that was posted. Just call him a faggot and move on.

>>8965535
I didn't say it was bad. I think garishness is part of Sonic's appeal, if anything.

>>8965181
Why does this look so horrible?
Every modern game is just totally uninteresting from an aesthetic level for some reason. Whenever I see an indie game or mainstream game in a trailer or something I really have to force myself to look into it because on the surface they all look so fucking bland and ugly.
Im so sick of modern games they're all so bad. Seriously. I'm in the prime demographic for modern games and yet there is nothing I want to play at all.

>>8965542
Now you're literally just having a meltdown because someone disagreed with you that an empty field with a glowing thing in it is "garish". How is that garish? Explain.

>>8965547
No contrast, no art direction. No time spent to making things look good from a distance, just covering it up in a poorly made blur.
>>8965181
i wish I knew photoshop so I could touch this up. This is the exact same problem as brown and bloom except from the other spectrum. There was zero fucking attention paid to where your eyes would land on this image. The focus is supposed to be the characters but he's just as blasted out into the stratosphere of exposure as everything else. They couldn't even bother to make him not wear blue because there's already way too much flat blue in this picture.
Fuck me who makes these games?

>>8965548
Not him, but the neon green object stands out garishly in the muted landscape background. It doesn't fit the art direction of everything around it, it's an eyesore.
You are correct that the hypersaturated colors in the OP could be called garish, but they at least fit together and don't clash with each other.

>>8965561
fuck me

>>8965582
It's clearly supposed to be some kind of ancient artefact, which Sonic is going to activate as he goes (like BOTW, which they're ripping off), so I don't agree that it doesn't fit.

>>8965561
>They couldn't even bother to make him not wear blue because there's already way too much flat blue in this picture.
Well the thing it thats an outfit/armor set out of many, many more. They come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, they just chose the default one to take this screenshot with.
>Fuck me who makes these games?
Capcom actually made this one, it's from MonHun Stories 2: Wings of Ruin.
While I don't have a problem with it myself, I apologise if its a little TOO brightly colored. Would something a little less saturated be better to look at?

>>8965603
why is aliasing so egregious nowadays

>>8965582
Please stop engaging with bad faith arguments.

>>8960236
But real life can be colorful as fuck

>>8965619
Stop seething because you used the word "garish" incorrectly.

>>8965625
Tell the gaming industry ca 2004, you're preaching to the choir here.

>>8960258
RE5 suffered a lot from that. Did you know that game is actually bright and colorful if you use a mod to disable that ugly green filter they slapped on the game to appeal to trends of the time?

>>8965630
the somewhat washed out yet highly contrasting orange and turquoise look is still pretty cool you know

>>8960236
>>8961098
Others will try to gaslight you guys but it's true, I grew up in the 2000s
Since the 2000s a lot of games started pandering to boys biggest insecurities: being called babies and gays by other boys.

>i’m winning arguments online
>babbys first 4chan posts

>>8965679
You win an argument if you arrive at the truth. That includes finding out you were mistaken.

Shouting matches, however, have no winners.

>>8965634
Can’t tell if this looks more or less realistic….that being said idk why people choose shit tier locations for games, no matter what, even if you find the perfect art style, how the fuck so you end up a brainstorm and decide you want your setting to take place in a bunch of little dirt roads with sand and garbage everywhere? it’s totally boring.

>>8966318
Because it lets you visit exciting distant locations, but without the risk of getting robbed or kidnapped!

>>8965425
Far Cry 1 was so cool

>>8966332
Wasn’t that game controversial because of the N- virus or something absurd?

>>8960257
It's not soul in my opinion, it's creativity and risk.
Something that went wild in the 80's and 90's and just started to die around like 03. Look at shoes, clothes, anything. Shit went completely wild in a good way.

>>8966318
>Can’t tell if this looks more or less realistic
I mean the real world doesn't have a green filter over everything. That being said only the first act of RE5 is an african shantytown

>>8965650
it's not just this really, it was also the trend of the time. you could see this shift everywhere in the 90s, everything was moving from the bright 80s to dark and gritty mid 90s. take wrestling: it went from neon colors and cheesy outfits to attitude era seriousness, grittiness and lack of color. take music - it went from hair metal to Nirvana and other grunge. take movies—cheesy bright flicks got replaced by rather bleak-looking and serious movies like Matrix and LotR. it simply took longer for vidya to catch on since it usually was lagging behind.
and by the way, it still stayed mostly like this until late 2010s when we came full circle and 80s nostalgia became big. you still look at half the movie posters from mid 2010s, they will look pretty gritty with prevalent greys—and I'm not talking some dark movies, I'm talking Marvel and Harry Potter.

>>8966385
I played with a friend through some section with like, some kind of chase in humvees or something. we eventually got to some weird village with tall people in it. It changed but it never really felt different which is why I played half of it and lost interest.

>>8965650
it's not just this really, it was also the trend of the time. you could see this shift everywhere in the 90s, everything was moving from the bright 80s to dark and gritty mid 90s. take wrestling: it went from neon colors and cheesy outfits to attitude era seriousness, grittiness and lack of color. take music - it went from hair metal to Nirvana and other grunge. take movies—cheesy bright flicks got replaced by rather bleak-looking and serious movies like Matrix and LotR. it simply took longer for vidya to catch on since it usually was lagging behind.
and by the way, it still stayed mostly like this until late 2010s when we came full circle and 80s nostalgia became big. you still look at half the movie posters from mid 2010s, they will look pretty gritty with prevalent greys—and I'm not talking some dark movies, I'm talking Marvel and Harry Potter.

>>8966392
The humvee level is generally considered the worst level in the game but I'm surprised you didn't like the tribal village. That's my favorite faction and it's not because of the ooga booga spearchucker enemies, it's because it has sections that actually feel like oldschool RE.

>>8966395
>faction
My favorite section, I meant

>>8966395
It was momentarily amusing but I felt like the game was taunting me or something. Resident evil 4 which had came out not long before it had a menacing and bleak. It beautiful at times atmosphere. there were a lot of captivating or impressive things to look at. resident evil 5 coming out after that and being so ugly to look at felt like some kind of bizarre prank or joke

>>8966402
Capcom kinda realized with 4 that RE was never really scary so they might as well lean into the farce even harder. That's why Wesker has the plan he does and why it ends with fighting him in a volcano.

>>8966409
Well even if it isn’t overt horror you can still have an ambience, I would argue resident evil 4 was still scary regardless at points. I remember being way too much of a pussy for a while to play it because I was afraid of the chainsaw people. it’s funny now, but when the game was fresh, feeling the controller shake when Leon’s head got cut off actually really freaked me out a lot as a kid and I didn’t like it. I think it took me a while to work the courage up to play the game.

>>8966415
I guess for me, it's very hard for me to be scared in a game where I'm given guns because at the end of the day, I can just shoot them. It only gets scary when the guns are actively useless against the thing chasing me.

>>8966347
It was that first trailer where Chris wind-up punches a black infected guy. You know, because it's in Africa, the continent that kinda has a lot of black people in it. To address this (but not really), they upgraded Sheva from being your mission control to being your ingame partner. A choice I am totally okay with

CC was actiively trying to make my eyes bleed with the sheer amount of color.

>>8966427
I think it’s kind of a brainlet take when people say that about horror games with guns, yeah you can kill the enemies but you can’t shoot what you don’t see, and a big part of resident evil 4 while you’re new, is learning how to not get hit from behind while you’re focused on someone else. When you aren’t very good at the game, barricading the house in the village and realizing they can break through the doors, windows, climb, etc, is terrifying. and you only have so much ammo at that point.

>>8960232
I WANNA FRY SKY HIGH!
LETS GO TOGETHER!
BRU BRU SKIES I SEE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBY9KhBkec

>>8966437
No I think I can defend my stance on this
>you don't have guns, enemies are lethal
No point in being scared because I know the game is going to just be a bunch of hide and seek sequences
>you have guns and are effective, enemies are lethal
I possess the ability to defend myself, I'm not scared
>you have guns and they're completely ineffective, enemies are lethal
Now it's scary because suddenly the thing I've relied on up until this point to keep me safe is worthless

>>8966442
Fear isn’t just about being helpless it’s also tension not knowing what will happen. if you have a gun and some
Guy breaks into your house, it isn’t not scary just because you have a weapon also. it’s less scary sure but the fear also come from not knowing where they are or what move you should make to not die yourself. In your example it would be scary for 5 minutes until it defaults to the first option so it’s the same thing just with extra steps.

>>8966452
I disagree because enemies being out of view just leads to jumpscares in a lot of cases and if they snuck up on you, it's because you didn't plan for that beforehand. Regenerators are scary despite being in view the whole time because if you don't know HOW you're supposed to kill them, they come across as indestructible. Enemies that are an advancing wall of doom are scary despite being something you always see because it means you always see how much closer you are to your impending death.

There's also the fact that, you know, I'm not scared by the things you are.

It wasn't the look of retro games, it was the look of Sega's arcade games. Sometimes it would bleed over to their console games, but it faded out after they transitioned completely to consoles.

>>8965625
that's the thing though—it can. you can go to Netherlands or France and see beautiful places you'll remember for years. but you likely wouldn't want a trip to some generic grey urban shithole that only has office buildings and parking lots.
similarly, you can make a realistic game in a colorful environment, like GTA Vice City. or at least somewhere dark but interesting, like Vagrant Story. too bad though that most modern games look like some random Google Maps screenshot.
games stopped trying to create surreal places beyond imagination, the current year FPS games have environments that are about as imaginative as New York subway.

>>8966467
A jump scare is still scary I don’t know why people pretend it isn’t. It isn’t a movie or something. if you are clearing an area in a game or real life, going around a corner or in a new room is tense specifically because anything can happen. A lot of the tension in horror games can just come from knowing something is there somewhere but you don’t know where. and again I realize in games like resident evil 4 you have weapons but part of the fear is more of an anxious tension because it doesn’t matter if you have weapons if you fuck up and miss, which is why some enemies can one hit kill you anyway if you miss.

In mercenaries mode, that 10 foot guy with the dual chainsaws on water world is a good example of that where it doesn’t matter if you see him, he’s chasing you and half the time your bullets don’t phase him. his movements are unpredictable and you can hear him sometimes and not see him. So it’s scary from a lot of different perspectives.

that being said once you are familiar with the game most of that fear is gone but that applies to basically any game.

>>8966473
It's not even environments, it's that they fucking slapped a color filter on everything. I live in the desert, yeah there's brown but not EVERYTHING is brown. That's a very nice blue sky, there's spots of green, and really the sandy dirt is more of a grey than a brown.

>>8966480
>A jump scare is still scary I don’t know why people pretend it isn’t.
I find it more startling than scary.

>>8966482
Seems like splitting hairs to me, you can argue that if you know you are likely to get startled and you don’t know when, that in itself can put you on edge. People make all sorts of autistic videos hyper analyzing how fear or tension or whatever is created in games. my point I’m making is that it doesn’t need to be a strict horror game to still scare you anyway at points. And I don’t think when something startles you in resident evil it’s the same as getting startled because someone shot you in a call of duty level, because the lead up to it is completely different.

>>8966482
>I find it more startling than scary.
That's because it is startling, not scary. People get those confused because casual English often refers to startling things as having "scared" you even though it's a different experience.

>>8966492
Most people don’t like being startled, so knowingly doing something anticipating being startled is inherently scary and causes anxiety. doesn’t mean you are going to piss yourself but I already explained never the less of you are startled in a COD game it won’t feel the same even though on paper you might claim it would be the same effect.

You are living in the past.

>>8960232
Dead Rising 1 and 2 have great use of color. It's even more of a contrast because they came out during the 7th gen.

>>8966725
modern games are ugly lifeless abomination that all look the same and belong on /v/. also the colors are not saturated at all. modern games are dull and rely too much on bloom to hide the shitty graphics.

>>8966725
So many modern games have the literal exact same concept of a 'vista' its insane

>>8966725
>copy a Zelda game
>fail
Since 1986 with very few exceptions

>>8966480
its not scary if you can predict it

>>8966725
you missed the point. it's not just about color, it's also about not looking like generic animu fantasy mobile game #856463. although i will admit it's still a step in the right direction, it's still far from having soul.

>>8960320
Well, yeah. One of the technical limitations of the SNES and Genesis were their color palettes, so they had to show them off with as many colors as possible.

>>8966792
The only thing you can predict is that you can’t predict it. stop being autistic about it.

>>8964446
That flat boxy poly look of those cars looks genuinely cooler than actual riced out automobiles. They legit look like cars someone in a retro-future atomic reactor powered spacefaring civilization would use as land-based cars, just for entertainment.

>>8964864
I love the 80s but the thing I hate the most about 80s nostalgia fetishism is the mistaken idea that "EEeeVERYTHIIiIIIiiIIING WAS NEON AND PINK SHIRTS AND LAMBORGINIS!!!"
To me the most defining characteristics of the 80s were concrete, beige carpets, grey tweed suits, plate glass, buzzing yellow halogen lights, and, ok, cherry cola. Cherry coke was a pretty big deal.

>>8967001
And outdoor footlights set in short green grass.

>>8967001
but thats how the 80s all were here. its just regional

>>8965078
This was not the case in the 1980s. Japan was seen as THE most fearsome expression of technological growth. Their electronics and automotive industries were beating the shit out of the US. Detroit was transitioning from the richest city on earth to a decrepit vassal state of powerful foreign corporations. The fear of emotionless Japanese zaibatsu hegemony was a primary motivator of much dystopian future fiction. Hong Kong conversely was seen as more of a lawless, wild east melting pot. These two wildly different cultures intermingled in western minds to produce the pastiche environmental aesthetic that would ultimately come to be known as "cyberpunk".

It's also interesting to note that Blade Runner was very much considered an edge case, with arguments abounding about whether it was to even be CONSIDERED "cyberpunk", rather than a mere neo noire detective thriller with science fiction elements. Nowadays such arguments are forgotten; in many peoples' minds, Blade Runner has become the DEFINITIVE cyberpunk, and works like Neuromancer all but forgotten (and after so many dismal attempts to adapt it to film, I don't really mind all that much).

>>8967016
Here's your regional 80s: dusty brown desert countries rebelliously listening to Metallica, waving American flags, and wearing levis.

>>8960387
Does games nowadays even use such skybox anymore? That may be why. They don't need to put a low res pic anymore, so they actually model some environment, but it just doesn't hit the same or is not enough

>>8960232
because ps2 happened

>>8966995
>They legit look like cars someone in a retro-future atomic reactor powered spacefaring civilization would use as land-based cars, just for entertainment.
Oh no no, anon, you can't use cars for entertainment! Cars are for moving from point A to point B. You WILL drive a downsized 1.0, you WILL drive a hybrid, you WILL drive an electric.

>>8964070
>I think it's because they didn't have the sophisticated real time lighting they do nowadays so they had to rely on colors to do that instead
This is the actual answer

>>8960261
ratchet and clank on ps4 was colorful as shit

>>8966846
But anime games are the only games that look like that.

>>8966491
>>8966503
Anon it seems like your whole thing is WHY AREN'T YOU SCARED? Because I'm not, what the fuck do you want from me, I know what's happening on the screen isn't real. I've had way scarier shit happen to me irl, I quite literally shit my pants when under mortar fire, and boy let me tell you, there is no feeling quite like the instant voiding of your bowels.

>>8967440
This, if anything it's a niche outside of Japan and even then plenty of Japanese games don't go for the turbo weeb look

Rise: Race the future is definitely not retro, but the color palette is one of my favorite in modern games

this was the last game that made good use of colors (and is beautiful to look at)

>>8966787
>fail
>implying

>>8966884
>you disagree with me so you got the AUTISM
Not him, but you're full of shit, I've been forced to sit through shitty jumpscare movies before, and when you know that shit's going to happen it doesn't even startle you. It's just fucking annoying.

>>8967018
>with arguments abounding about whether it was to even be CONSIDERED "cyberpunk", rather than a mere neo noire detective thriller with science fiction elements
Well considering the book it's based on predates the SF movement known as cyberpunk by over a decade, and has virtually nothing in common with that movement, it's an easy argument to make.
"What makes us human?" is not a cyberpunk story, it's a Philip K. Dick story, he wrote endless variations on that theme. Cyberpunk stories were varied, but as a movement it was largely about power and powerlessness and struggling to survive in the margins of a huge machine that will chew you up and spit you out.

>>8960450
excellently put. For me personally I miss the simplistic art. When I play an older game, I can absorb what I am seeing easier than a modern game, with much more tiny detail and more intricacies displayed on screen it becomes taxing.

>>8968072
I like simple, but not basic. If that makes sense. In other words the simplicity has to be of quality and not look lazy

>>8963598
Portal Runner had superb art direction

>>8960236
That was only 7th gen that did that

>>8966393
there was plenty of colorful shit in the late 90s

>>8969872
it got more and more prevalent after 1998. check most PC games past HL era. late PS2 was often like this. Black, MGS3, Prince of Persia 2, the list goes on.
in modern games color made a return to an extent, unless we talk TLOU or things like that. but you can also see it's not like 16-bit era color. everything looks way less saturated, colors are muted. the contrast is rather low, shadows softened. there are only natural hues in the picture, like brown / blue / etc. it looks like an oil painting, or a color-restored B&W movie.
today games have color, but the way they use it is so lazy, bland and uninspired. or just downright tacky like >>8964864 shows.

>>8969895
i deliberately mentioned this:
>it simply took longer for vidya to catch on since it usually was lagging behind.
notice how most of it died very quickly into 6th gen, if we take PS2. one reason was the quiet death of mascot platformers. it was already pretty much gone on PC aside for few exceptions like Unreal, deliberately made bright. PS2 was also the last era when Japanese devs were still dominating the sales, and they generally made more colorful games.

>>8966393
This dude gets it. Culture in general changes. Or dies, if you look at it my way.

>>8961590
>doesn't like 3d land and world
discarded

>>8967006
>And outdoor footlights set in short green grass.
That is a patrician aesthetic though

>>8967498
That’s the closest I’ve seen a modern sky approximate the Dreamcast Sky. It is still more muted, though. The shade of blue is correct, but look at the cloud - it doesn’t have any white areas, only light grey. I think the secret of the SEGA sky is that same shade of blue but with clouds that have extremely punchy contrast and are bright white in many places.

>>8970041
lol fag

>>8963024
People can develop nostalgia for anything. That's why art will always be subjective, regardless of any "objectively" good composition or technique.

>>8971262
t. man taking a shit

>>8960258
I have literally zero positive feelings for this era. Around 2010 I thought that gaming is dead and it's time to move on. Fortunately it got better since then.

>>8963024
I won't.

>>8971739
>Fortunately it got better since then.
no, it got far worse

>>8967498
that game does look good

>>8971750
Stop looking at western shit.

>>8971784
I am, but it's not like there are that many Jap games these days.

I do wonder if the rise of wide gamut (as much as that term means anything but lets go with DCI-P3 for now) screens will bring back the bold colours of days of yore because they can be displayed. SRGB is fine but we should not be held to its limitations any more. Having deep & rich colours that contrast well against others is a huge boon to visual fidelity and is not reliant on modern processing effects. Sure DCI-P3 is still a long way off the human visual spectrum but every step closer is a good thing.

>>8963913
I remember installing the mod that removes the green filter in FO3 and it just looked unfinished. Did the same with NV and it wasn't as bad but definitely still weird looking

Games in early 3d were all flat shaded polygons
everything looked cartoony even if it wasn't trying to be

also a segment of people here are just massive fanboys of the sega palmtree resort thing that they did. pic rel delivers, unfortunately it's also a kinda crap game, but you can't say it's not doing the same thing

>>8962957
Completely natural, normal thing to happen as you age. Know that there are other things out there to enjoy besides games.

>>8972252
No it's not normal and there's nothing else to enjoy

>>8965142
I conveniently stopped gaming around that time, and I think it had a lot to do with that

>>8966440
which level is that?

>>8972254

>>8964864
Can’t believe people don’t think this is garish. Taste is truly lost.

Too many grays not enough black and whites.

>>8964864
>>8972428
It is absolutely garish. Those look like objects from a completely different game dropped into those worlds. Looks like an unfinished unity game or something

Growing up I loved the way the original Crash and Spyro games looked.

>>8972263
SKY HI ZONE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVxQ8qc258Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gLxGe-4nQg

I love how Rage Racer went for more grey and brown after Ridge Racer but still blasted you with colorful skies, cars and advertising.

>>8973356
The industrial style of the game is great and yeah, it has some very colourful parts to it like the waterfall or the lake on lakeside gate or basically the entirety of mythical coast.

>>8974215
90's NAMCO was peak soul.
They lost something in the naughties.

>>8974223
Also I miss those rapid time of day changes each round.

>>8974232

>>8974223
>They lost something in the naughties
Tekken 4, Tekken Tag and Soul Calibur 2 want to talk to you

>>8974338
Tag 2 was pretty awesome as well, IMO. So much characters returned... I've waited so long to see Kunimitsu, Alex and Angel to return...

>>8974223
>>8974236
>upscaled PSP game with filtered textures
Spare us this shit, please.
But yeah, Rage Racer and R4 have beautiful visual styles. Same goes for the Ace Combat series. I like that gritty PS1 look.

>>8965425
you know the difference between Far Cry 1 and 2 is probably the most striking example of the brownification of the 7th gen. Glad 3 got the color back

KYS SEGASCUM

>>8963041
Nice. What game?

>>8974653
>Glad 3 got the color back
It is a shame the rest of the game isn't as nice.

>>8966846
>GI
>DOESN'T look like generic animu fantasy mobile game #856463

Not overly saturated but still very colorful. I think this is one of the best looking psx games.

color = good has to be one of the most braindead takes people parrot. Half the games in this thread look like dogshit.

>>8974817
>brown and bloom fan
Huh didn't think you people actually existed but you learn something new every day.

>>8974842
>I'm not dazzled by bright colors like a 3 year old so I must like the call of duty poop aesthetic
No, I just understand that art direction is more than coloring everything green, red and blue.

>>8974706
Overall there's not much substance in Far Cry games, but 3 was still relatively fresh at the time. 4 had a more interesting setting though.
After that it stopped being fun honestly. The same shit recycled for a thousand times with nothing that could draw me to it.

>>8974706
I swear 7th gen games have aged the worst of any era. They're so soft and rubbery and just not good looking.

>>8974817
because of color?

>>8961637
I went to Hyuga back in 2014. Was absolutely gorgeous, but I know there are some dirt fuck areas of Japan too.

>>8974867
Sure, you can make 1 bit art as well, nobody argues that. Art is art.
However, in general, colorful stuff is much more appealing than black and white.

>>8974875
Some mindless shooting is a thing I can use from time to time though.
But yeah, overall it is just another Ubisoft conveyor game.

>>8974880
not to mention, low framerates across the board and screen tearing up the ass. 5th gen feels like it went perfectly smoothly with no issues by comparison.

>>8974958
5 (and from the little i've played of it, 6) are good games for just exploring and soaking in the game world as said game worlds are much, much better designed than what is in 3 and 4.

>>8974976
A huge number of 5th gen games run at 30fps or less, 6th gen has the most 60fps titles but 7th gen generally ran really fucking slow. Modern hardware can overcome some of these limitations (primarily in the PC versions, but RPCS3 can do some magic on some PS3 titles) but what becomes clear is the huge LOD drop off which higher resolutions show off. One thing of modern gaming that is generally a positive is games are significantly more scalable today than they were even 10 years ago while maintaining good image quality.

>>8974993
>the huge LOD drop off which higher resolutions show off
That's why you generally shouldn't play at higher resolutions than what the game was originally meant to be played at. The assets usually just don't keep up and it ends up looking very inconsistent and jarring.
I mean something like emulating PS1 at 1080p, it looks terrible. 480p is enough for PS2, you don't really need a higher res. There are a few games that scale good into HD though, especially if given a proper remaster treatment (think MGS3, FFXII, God of War).
7th gen games have the advantage of being made for HD displays in the first place, so running them at 1080p generally looks good. 4K may be a bit of overkill, but as long as you don't compare them directly against later titles it should be OK.
At the end of the day, it's not the resolution that makes the game look good. Even on the Switch you have games that are pleasant to look at at 720p, but for something like Pokemon Legends Arceus even 8K wouldn't make it not look like shit.

>>8960267
Newer stuff lacks the same kind of contrast and saturation.

>>8965547
The colors and blown out and flat.

>>8965547
>Why does this look so horrible?
Because you expect more.
Put that same exact color palette in an 8-bit NES game and you'd think it was the most beautiful soulful thing you ever saw. Translate it to 3D and it's just "weeell, that's NICE, but couldn't it be even BETTER?"

This is unironically a persistent problem in gaming and one I've meditated off and on a bit for years in my own work. There's an almost inevitable tendency that the more a game stands above its peers, the more you expect from it, and the greater your disappointment when it doesn't live up to the standards you were hoping for. This can make a game that is in many ways objectively better than all its competition somehow feel worse in your mind. It's a conundrum.

>>8975221
>The colors and blown out and flat.
This.
>>8975242
But not remotely this, which appears to be anon trying to fit his favorite premade answer to an inappropriate question.

Look at the muddy colors on that mountain range, it ranges from beige in the highlights to a muddy grayish brown, to a flat gray that's almost the same lightness as the brown. And everything's like that, a severe lack of contrast that makes everything look flat and dull.

>>8975221
What, exactly do you think "blown out" means? And using "flat" as a negative?

>>8975413
>I have nothing to say but I need to hear the sound of my own voice
Uh huh

>>8975436
>What, exactly do you think "blown out" means? And using "flat" as a negative?

Ask your mom LOL

>>8975436
Why are you quoting yourself and attributing it to someone else?

>>8974354
So awesome it nearly killed the Tekken series.

>>8972239
>lastest one
>you sometime need to click on a few things to "play"
What was so hard about just making a Beach VolleyBall game with a few mini games? I wouldn't even be mad about tons of DLC.

>>8965547
>>8965561
>>8975221
>>8975413
Damn. I just wanted to share it because I thought it looks nice.

>>8963024
with actual intent this aesthetic can be pretty good, the problem was how it was getting shoved on everything no matter what

>>8961637
Some, but a big part of it too is California, actually. Or the idealised 80s version of California, rather. It's why you see so much Japanese stuff in the 80s and 90s use this idealised Americana visual and symbology of sunsets and wide beaches and wooden summer houses, etc etc.

>>8975865
It's not that bad, anon, but it indeed lacks contrast and the picture kinda looks like it is a step a way from losing all the edges and blur out into shapeless color.

>>8975523
I've liked it, so I don't care.

>>8974707
I meant GI looked like generic animu fantasy, buddy. So therefore, just having "color" doesn't immediately make something soulful. Fortniteand every generic mobage proves the same.

>>8960258
2006 was 16 years ago.

I don't know how or why, but Sonic Lost World, for as bad as it was, had beautiful colors. A lot of stages had Sega Blue Skies too. Maybe it was because the levels needed unusual lighting because of the tube shapes?

>>8960232
The diminished emphasis on pre-rendered backgrounds is a factor.

>>8963039
I remember watching a friend play this and being absolutely blown away

>>8960259
love the game, nothing like blue sky racing, but wtf is up with the graphics in that shot? 2d is clean but 3d is messed up as hell?

>>8978452
jpg artifacts

>>8963606
>DUAL HEARTS
I literally just burn myself a dvd-r copy of this. I wanted to buy this game back in the day but was discouraged told it was a bad game by a EB wagie. I shouldnt have listened to that employee. Keep your opinions to your fucking self. Ever since playing the demo I have wanted to play the full game. Now it goes for $100 complete on jewbay.

>>8960232
deferred rendering and shaders instead of diffuse textures

>>8960450
old games encourage your imagination to work, photorealistic graphics of today tire you just by looking at them

>>8960236
Sadly good games like GTA VC and SA are to blame for this trend, you could see a microcosm of the industry shift in how Jak went from an evolution of Crash to aping GTA, becoming colorless and edgy, replacing quirky platforming with weapons and vehicles. The trend fully materialized in gen 7, but it started in gen 6.

I'm kinda preaching to the choir on this board but damn. PS1 and N64 games were kino. Not that all new games are bad. I'd just like to see them stick around in generations a little longer.
A modern example of this I feel like is Monster Hunter World. Beautiful colors. Maybe Horizon Zero Dawn, haven't played it in a bit though.

A little Bug!, anyone?

>>8979409
I've always been under the impression that MHW looked a bit washed out. Like there was a layer of modern shininess on everything. Rise has a much more raw look to it and I prefer it to World's graphics to be honest.
Now, Horizon is a really pretty game, especially the second one, with more vibrant and lush environments. But it's just a graphical showcase for me, the game looks like it doesn't have anything to draw me in apart from that. Ghost of Tsushima also looks stunning, especially in HDR.

>>8979384
>deferred rendering
>diffuse textures
What do they do?

>>8976740
I don't even like JRPGs, but pre-rendered shots like these always make me wish I did. it's crazy how one screen like this can captivate you and make you wish to live in the game's world. the picture is so serene, it almost immediately gives you a feeling without any words.
this is the thing that I feel is almost lost from video games nowadays. no more autistic schizo japs creating worlds beyond your imagination in backgrounds like they are gonna hang those pictures in a museum. no more sound guys who treat some random game's soundtrack like their magnum opus album. all of it got replaced by the sterile, safe, focus-grouped approach where creativity is seen as a needless risk and where "professionalism" is just copying whatever sells more in current year.

>>8979562
https://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/articles/forward-rendering-vs-deferred-rendering--gamedev-12342
think of deferred rendering all those engines that use bump maps and stencil shadows that started to appear with the original xbox (shrek), it allows for faster lightning calculation but you have heavy compromises like the entire output has to be shaded and you can't even apply multisampling antialiasing without consuming a ton of memory (this is why msaa disappeared)
diffuse is just a plain texture, where the shadows are handpainted >>8963548
vs >>8963551 where the entire output is shaded, it looks dull
thankfully some engines like the doom eternal one are starting to go back to forward rendering even though it uses a mixed solution

>>8979409
>>8979432
Speaking of monster hunter, I really love how MH4 looks. The entire game feels immensely soulful to me.

>>8979409
They really are. Tales of destiny 2 was just beautiful

I fucking love the Dreamcast-era aesthetic

>>8980449
>aesthetic
>gif poster
God SHUT UP

>>8980594
Kindly stick a bullet through the temple my good sir

>>8963024
No need to wonder

>>8963024
it's happening now friend.
you're getting old.

>>8963024
at least they had a direction.
big things are seen from distance. i don't think it was very good, but at least it was some "artistic" choice. the problem is when every single game and movie around tries to look like The Matrix, it stops feeling artistic and gets irritating quick.
today it looks good only because it's different from what you're used to in current year.

>>8967001
But I like it when everything is neon, pink shirts and Lamborghinis. Wedges were mostly 70's things, cars became rather boxy in the 80's.
Thing is though, even garish stuff is gotta be done right. When you look at stuff like >>8964864 those things look completely out of place.
In other words, games gotta have art direction, and they have not.

Can't we just have a nice thread about this without the retarded reddit LE ALL GAMES THESE DAYS ARE LE SAME garbage

>>8981925
>LE ALL GAMES THESE DAYS ARE LE SAME
do you mean that as in the bad way or the good way?

>>8981925
>Can't we just have a nice thread
No.

>>8981925
But the games today are really way below the stuff we've had in the previous decade.
Same about the music.
Same about the movies.
Same about books.
Culture is dying, man, and I'm fucking panicking here. These threads at least let me vent my anxiety somehow.

>Why don’t games have colours like this anymore?

You can make games as oversaturated as you want using your TV settings or especially shaders. And many are already that way anyway.

>>8981925 this.

>>8981925
That is the opposite of a reddit opinion, you can actually pretty much only find it on /v/ and even then there's a loud reddit industry bootlicker half that keeps trying to shout them down because they don't like their friendly companies to be talked about badly

>>8974706
grass, tesselation, and SSAO are low in this screenshot. Barely any shadows. Ultra graphics in pic.

>>8981971
Everything has always been garbage, you're just remembering the good stuff while forgetting the amount of trash you had to sift through to get there.

>>8967412
Looks good but they turned ratchet into a cuddly plush toy for kids

>>8980594
vaporwave is a thing now

>>8960232
What version of SA1 is this?

>>8982395
Looks like DC because of the spines and flatter colors.

>>8982123
>oversaturated
herewegoagain.jpg

>>8960232
where did the beach craze come from in the 2000s? there's like a handful of games released in a small time frame where it was just BEACH! SUMMER! WATER!

>>8983326
wtf is that thing in the back? i don't remember that
is this on emulation? show settings pls, also do you have link to nude mod?

>>8983314
lots of beach sounding songs in the early 2000s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf421JsG004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMfxI3r_LyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7drvhZwPcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQlAEiCb8m0 (1998 but close enough)

>>8983338
Idk why but FFX game cover always reminded me of the movie The Beach, even though they're not very similar.
movie came out in 2000 too.

>>8983337
>wtf is that thing in the back? i don't remember that
It's always been there, hiding in plain sight, watching you
A 3DO japanese magazine mascot who got memed by /vr/ recently, here's the thread if you're interested >>/vr/thread/S8889305
>is this on emulation? show settings pls, also do you have link to nude mod?
I don't even know what game is this, is it Dead or Alive 2003?
I'm not much of a Dreamcast guy, though that console has been peeking my interest lately

>>8983364
looks like DoA Xtreme beach volleyball 1 or 2

>>8982274
It's 2022.

>>8980594
what a bitter faggot

>>8982395
Dreamcast obviously

>>8982228
I don’t know. To use music as an example, even as the 00’s were happening I thought music has gone to complete shit. Then the 10’s were kind of nice and I thought so at the time, too. Now everything is dogshit again and the 20’s is looking to be the worst decade for everything in a long time.

>>8982228
I wasn't even alive in 50's, yet I can say for sure that rock'n'roll and Big Bopper are way better than mumblerap and Taylor Swift. There are facts that music nowadays is worse, because of compression wars, different distribution models, etc, but I do not even need those - I simply listen and I objectively hear that nowadays 90% of music is garbage-tier.
Same about cars, for example. It's like, only about 3 platforms left in the world, and about as much designs - Ford Focus looks about the same as Kia Rio, and every luxury car wants to be a wannabe Mercedes or BMW. While back in the day you would easily distinguish american sedan from an asian one, the amount of platforms was insane, and basically every car design was an art.
And so on, and so on. I'm not remembering nothing - I'm just seeing it, hearing it, reading about it.

>>8982265
That's not the worst that could happen.

>>8983404
>music
Just stop listening to western pop. While I agree that, for example, pop from the 80s was miles better than the shit we're getting these days, it doesn't take much more than stepping out of this bubble to notice that there's a lot of good music being made today.

>>8965536
the fuck does this even mean lmao

>It's a warm Saturday afternoon, June 1998
>Dad's off work and lets you tool around with his brand new Compaq laptop
>start up pic related
good times

>>8985353
WOW
WHAT A ROCKET

>>8985353
nostalgiabomb, I had that demo

>>8961041
Still looks great to me honestly. There weren't too many character models to render on screen (or any at all) so a lot more effort was put into the backdrops.

>>8985091
As far as I can see, not that much, aside from few very, very underground collectives. And eastern pop sucks just as much as western one. Cantopop from the 80's was three steps above this modern disaster.

>>8983884
>and I objectively hear
Please go back to /mu/ with your retarded takes

>>8985445
No.

>>8961252
>Wave Racer
I love this game so much that I even bought a coomer clone just so I could play something similar.

>>8985531
How's Kandagawa Jet Girls? I heard it was toned down in development because of Sony's censorship bullshit so I passed on it initially.

>>8985554
It plays nicely at driving the jet-ski, with mechanics like controlling the nose inclination, drifting and etc. I didn't like the shooting part that much but I think it was pretty good to make things interesting. I bought just because I want to see more fun racers for PC.

>>8985381
UP, UP, AND AWAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>8961701
5 was the absolute worst game in the franchise by a long shot

>>8983375
vaporwave is dead

>>8985091
>pop from the 80s was miles better
You have shit taste if you think the music biz of the 80s isn’t just as corporate and soulless as today. The only possible reason I could see for this argument is nostalgia

>>8988112
It was just as corporate, no doubt. Just as soulless? Perhaps, yes. Still, this chorus:

Don't count on me, I engineer
On every move we make from here
I'll take the lead
You take the pain
You see, I engineered this game

Sounds way better than this chorus:

Do you get déjà vu when she's with you?
Do you get déjà vu? (Ah), hmm
Do you get déjà vu, huh?

>>8988112
>Missing the point this hard

>>8988112
Not that anon, but...
Corporate and soulless? Yeah. AS corporate and soulless as today? Not by a long shot.
https://vimeo.com/343366506

>>8983314
>where did the beach craze come from in the 2000s?
if you were to follow the millennial generation who grew up buying, and playing video games during the ludicrously successful 1980s, then by the beginning of the 2000s we would be in our early to mid 20s. all college kids, or newly accepted 'grown ups' who are hungry for babes and going outside. video games captured that sentiment, because apparently video game makers used to have their fingers on the pulse of a red blooded american youth. and we still liked going out to experience things and having fun in social settings like the beach. and if not, lol heres a video game about it. today, Ive seen video games about anxiety, depression and other bullshit. the media likes to push that instead of 'boys will be boys' and encouraging you to like normal things. probably another reason why this generation sucks

>>8960232
Games do now, again. They have since 2012. BO2, BO3, BL2, Pre-sequel, and 3. HZD, Nier, Bayonetta 2, FO4, Bioshock Infinite, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch, etc.
You may not like some of these games but the piont is they're mainstream games with vibrant colors. The fatigue color scheme really died out in 2011, traces of it were still there up until 2014. After 2014 there wasn't really anything representing the old fatigue color style that encompassed a lot of the 2000s, with few exception here and there. Now we're in this homoginized era where everything looks like a pixar art style. It sucks and I wouldn't be surprised if the dull colors came back in style again once people get tired of this era.

>>8988140
Yeah, the only problem is, as >>8960236 said, nowadays we have this stupid assumption that colorful equals childish and/or gay - and sometimes rightfuly so. I mean, even your list mentions Overwatch and Fortnite.
While back in the days colorful meant Macho Man Randy Savage level of manliness and barely anyone could dispute that.
I wish those days will come back one day, because I, perosnally, love bright stuff.

>>8988128
Or maybe beaches were a popular thing then

>>8988247
Beaches have always been popular, that doesn't explain the spike in videogames featuring beaches at that point.
I think it was at least partly due to improved physics and graphics, and the introduction of pixel shading on the xbox, Water's a good way to showcase that sort of thing.

>>8988274
Good way to show nice colorful graphics and water effects

>>8988140
None of those look beautiful though, and some of those aren't even that colorful.