/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
512 LINEDEFS OF /vr/
Rules: >>8920816
Map in Boom format (CL9)

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
400 MINUTES OF /vr/
Idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/400minvr

VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ (Latest)

=== NEWS ===
[05-30] 400 Minutes of /vr/ is on idgames

[05-28] Pandemonia 2.2 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60984

[05-26] Halo Doom: Evolved season 2 released officially
https://youtu.be/-sXI0uBU-qQ

[05-26] Ante Mortem episode 1 released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129400

[05-19] Anon shares his MBF21 map
https://mega.nz/file/1pVgibhT#nWJi3R78FvZXgw8JCO_JJNJoKXuTAWOiUeUAQVmPNow

[05-18] The Force Engine 0.9 released
https://theforceengine.github.io/downloads.html

[05-17] Cancelled 40k FPS game released
https://swordandtorchinn.blogspot.com/p/download-links.html

[05-16] TrenchBroom updated to 2022.1-RC1
https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2022.1-RC1

[05-13] John Romero is publishing an autobiography.
https://romero.com/shop/p/doomguy

[05-09] DNF2001 leak is released
>>>/v/598471840 Duke is finally free!

[05-04] The Force Engine 0.9 release imminent
https://github.com/luciusDXL/TheForceEngine

[05-04] Fartyguns 1.0 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/poop-fartyguns

[05-01] DBP47: Dreamcatcher Apparatus is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2603/

[04-27] Ad Mortem updated to 4.2
https://mega.nz/folder/e7Al3RyJ#5wvEjr9AupzvZzTcYDqFzg

[04-26] Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory free on steam
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1519002548891312129

[04-26] Anon releases his Doom engine game!
https://redead-ita.itch.io/sorrow

[04-22] Violent Rumble got updated

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

>>8961298
damn, you joke about someone needing to be a schizo to create something like that but sometimes the kernel of truth shows up

>>8961310
Man at least post the link:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/400minvr

>>8961332
Extra stuff, here's his greenlight game he attempted after archie https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=533239341
Pic related is weird nonsense he would post
>>8961339
Read

What's the best retro mecha shooter?

>>8961342
There's nothing really wrong with your picrel.

>>8961342
The trailers for this game are some schizo kino for sure

>>8961351
Shogo

>>8961339
It's the second link in the post you replied to

>>8961371
lol shit I'm retarded

>>8961378
It's okay. I'm glad I didn't call you a faggot, you seem reasonable enough.
Anyway I need to upload more 400mins footage to YouTube now that it's out.

Is it possible to use more than one skybox in a map? As in the skybox switching out when you cross a linedef?

>beat Shadow Warrior
>beat Ion Fury
>beat Blood
>beat Half Life
>beat Duke Nukem 3d
>beat Redneck Rampage + RRRR
What's next lads ? I might play a DOOM wad or something as a refresher but really looking for some good retro shooters or a good throwback shooter (not garbo like Nightmare Reaper). Any suggestions ?

>>8961342
That's pretty sad.
Another thing that's pretty sad is one mentally ill obese german faggot here in /vr/ letting Randy Pitchford live in his head rent free and bitching about him like he fucked the guy's bodypillow.

do you think people would complain less about chaingunner/revenant ambushes if they didn’t always have the ssg out when they happened?
>>8961370
>Shogo
and that would be it, don’t think there are others before you get into actual mech games
>>8961394
mods like deathwish for blood if you haven’t already, there’s also powerslave dos or powerslave exhumed

>>8961394
Chasm: The Rift

>>8961392
You might be able to do this with ceiling height changes, but I can't say for sure. I've never used the "skybox by tagged sector" feature which I think would be required.

>>8961392
Yeah, in Boom there's a transfer sky line action and in UDMF you can do anything anyway.

>>8961397
I don't know who that is but you probably shouldn't give him attention

>>8961394
Marathon

>>8961405
>>8961407
Nice, ty

>>8961394
is nightmare reaper even a true throwback shooter? seems like it just lifts the "feel" but in service of a wacky ecs dee rougelike
anyway play half life echoes if you haven't

Lurker here, Is 400 minutes on idgames the full version or is it neutered somehow like HFFM?

>>8961394
Seconding the Deathwish mod for Blood, might be one of the best level packs for any game that I've played including commercially-produced ones. Even better if you use the custom soundtrack.

>>8961423
It's the complete, definitive version.

>>8961416
>is nightmare reaper even a true throwback shooter?
Sort of, at the least it’s certainly not retro. It’s visuals remind me of Doom with RTX.

>>8961423
If you add all enemies together and subtract the "jewish" revenants, you get a number of 1488.
This stands for the infamous "14 words" and "88" meaning "Heil Hitler". It is a hidden message to all white nationalists around the world, as you would expect from an extreme right-wing community such as /vr/.

>>8961424
>>8961412
>>8961402
>>8961416

Thanks for the suggestions lads!

>>8961416
>is nightmare reaper even a true throwback shooter?
It isn't in my opinion but the retro fps "community pillars" aka civvie / gman shilled for it and personally to me it looked like it was a lazy bait to get the casual "boomer shooter" folk interested.

>>8961394
Chasm: The Rift has a decent patch compilation on moddb called Chasm Portable.
I enjoyed Project Warlock and I'm sure you've heard of Dusk by now.
Star Wars: Dark Forces with DeHacker for modern controls is very pleasant. Plus the midi soundtrack is great.
There's also Doom 64 and the Nightdive remaster of PowerSlave.

Anyone got tips on increasing framerate with Guncaster? I'm playing it on Sunder and map11 chugs my framerate to 0.

>>8961439
>sure you've heard of Dusk by now
I initially was really "ehhh" on DUSK because of it's graphical style leaning a bit too low poly for my liking but it looks better in motion ? Definitely on my radar.

I probably should've added that I like games that are light-ish on the "plot" but have a strong style to them like the Build Trio and have a sense of "intricate level design" to them, aka no open alley serious sam slaughtershit.

But so far pretty good recommends for sure

>>8961446
>I initially was really "ehhh" on DUSK because of it's graphical style leaning a bit too low poly for my liking but it looks better in motion ? Definitely on my radar.
I’d recommend things like Alkaline for Quake before diving into Dusk, that game is carried by its soundtrack and by people who haven’t played mid-late 90s shooters in forever.

>>8961394
Check out Dark Forces and Outlaws.

>>8961446
At the very least, I can appreciate Dusk for having a strong visiual style (even if it looks like crap), supporting custom maps, and having a deathmatch mode that actually works.
Better than most boomer shooters that come out in that regard.
>>8956965
>>8961310
>>8920816
V3 for Electrical System
>literally just fixes one softlock you could perform if you were retarded by throwing yourself into the skybox during the final fight, it might still be possible but you have to try even harder
>more than likely the final version
https://files.catbox.moe/1nfizf.wad

>>8961462
>>8961460
Noted! Thanks for suggestions, all!

>>8961423
It was already neutered.

>>8961423
What is there to neuter? I mean, is the gigantic swastika in Map01 removed or something?

how the shit do I get across this?

>>8961508
nevermind

I got two problems because I'm stupid someone please help

first I'm trying to download the newest dsda-doom (0.24.3), but I don't see an exe in there or anything. I don't know how to run it.

second problem: I'm upgrading from 0.21.3 because in that, when I use opengl, the walls become warped when I turn or move towards them. It's very bizarre and I haven't seen anything like this in any other source port. anybody know what I'm talking about or wtf is going on? I tried recording it but when I do the problem seems to go away, but then I get massive screen tearing, and turning vsync on makes everything sluggish.

>have some great ideas for a comfy vanilla Doom 2 megawad consisting mostly out of techbase maps and never more than ~50 monsters per map
>too lazy and retarded to make maps
I suffer.

>>8961541
If not to inspire, try Oops All Techbase for fun if you haven’t already.

>>8961540
Your google-fu is pathetic. You literally just have to find the Doomworld thread
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/thread/118074

We need a sequel to HFFM, a spiritual succesor of sorts - maybe a gothic textures/castley like one? Return to Castle Darkholme

>>8961559
Return to Castle Cockholme (the holme is my ass)

>>8961506
MAP07 - Kill All the N Words by TrannyPussSlayer420 was cut because it was a shit map.

>>8961559
>Return to Castle Darkholme
ASSault on Castle Darkholme

>>8961559
Wouldn’t lightning need to strike twice with another awesomegay word cloud?

>>8961587
Apparently you're just not looking hard enough.

>>8961506
Nothing lol. Shit like that was B& from the start.

>>8961389
https://www.moddb.com/games/half-life/addons/paul-blart

>>8961541
Share your ideas and maybe a more enterprising anon will stone-cold steal them (like me, I need techbase ideas, I never do techbase)

Are people actually still playing Doom?
I am under the impression that playtesting has constantly gone down from project to project. Ad Mortem had several feedback posts per thread, 400 min had like one feedback post per map, if any, and 512 lines has had no feedback so far.
Is it fatigue? Is it the mapping equivalent of "everybody posting, nobody reading"?
But where are the people who are not mapping, why don't they just try out the maps?
I know I am guilty of this too, because I have submitted stuff without testing other people's maps, but at least I have the excuse of dealing with a lot of private stuff currently, unlike all you neets.

>>8961506
Some fucking tool submitted an awful map as "Black Crime Statistics" for the sole purpose of starting shit.

>>8961673
400 mins had a large number of maps that discouraged me from committing to testing all of them. I've already promised myself I'll play through the 512 lines beta once it's assembled.

>>8961679
>>8961578
>>8961607
Yeah, I already knew that part, I was just making a snippy comment. I was just curious if anything else got neutered like the id-games HFFM, but was struggling to remember if there was anything like that in the actual release of 400 mins.

>>8961673
I still play Doom and I would like to playtest but I barely have the time for it anymore.
I've enjoyed 400 Minutes a lot for example.
Another issue that I have is that when I do play Doom, I mostly play stuff from mappers I already know and enjoy because some of them put out lots of maps and I haven't finished all of them. Then I get burnt out on their particular style and cycle through other mappers.
For example, lately I've been playing lots of Ribbiks and LunchLunch stuff because I like their styles a lot.
For the past few months it's been mostly Nicolas Monti.

>>8961686
In that case, no.

>>8961673
There were two twitch streams and already 2 uploaded YouTube plays of vr400. Are you as 3 dimensional as vanilla doom or something

>>8961673
I've given some feedback on 512 lines, but I'm guessing other playtesters are burnt-out from the previous project being a more-than-full-size megaWAD. No real problem tho, I just hope we get a couple more experienced players' feedback sooner rather than later.

>>8961673
I've been too caught up in my own work to play much non modded Doom. I'm way behind in playing /vr/ projects, I haven't even sat down and played through HFFM solo. Hell the last thing I played was a bizarre WAD a friend of mine is working on, Squenced Avacausage. Though to give him credit, the encounters are tough as nails, it was also cool to see Tarnsman play it a few weeks ago.

>>8961673
>unlike all you neets
I played a few 400 min maps during beta but just didn't have a lot to say that hadn't already been said.
I haven't played any 512 maps yet, so you got me there. Hffm was a lot longer in the oven though, and 512 was only started a week and a half ago. Everyone may just feel rushed to map rather than okay with deadlines like that.

>>8961707
>I haven't even sat down and played through HFFM solo
Same. I did play it coop though. That doesn't give a great idea of what the intended experience is tho.

>>8961673
It's tedious to download/run individual maps
I'll probably play when there's a beta or something

>>8961559
I really liked the texture set HFFM used and I wanna try playing with it some day. IIRC Fuckhead said he wanted to do an "expansion pack" for HFFM to add some more levels to it.

>>8961718
>It's tedious to download/run individual maps
You still on 56k or what?

>>8961559
Playing HFFM now. What does it stand for anyways?

I've been approached with a proposal to extend the deadline for 512 Linedefs of /vr/ under the guise that the current deadline will choke out potential submissions. It's important to note that 94 Protons is actually, officially ready to start, so if we do extend the deadline, it's going to be a short one, I'm thinking just 3 extra days will do nicely. We'll be using the power of democracy to decide so I can pretend I'm not a total authoritarian as a leader.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDz3dqgA

Man, I suck at secret hunting in Doom. Official and community wads.
Any tips?

Is ge right?
http://scar3crow.com/2017/10/the-axes-of-difficulty/
http://scar3crow.com/2013/10/the-virginal-experience/

>>8961742
I said yea because why the fuck not
Also because if the deadline ends on wednesday I will probably miss the beta as I am moving places

>>8961743
Use the automap more, you should be able to see doors and switches on it, as well as (sometimes) things that open/lower.

>>8961742
Yes
I pushed out my 512 map and it kinda shows
I would say even an extra week, or at least weekend.

>>8961742
I'd say until the weekend (sunday night) That said, what is 94 Protons?

Plutonia is my gf.

>>8961781
>94 Protons was delayed for so long some people don't even know what it is
Hilarious. 94 Protons of /vr/ was intended to be a simple Plutonia styled mapping project. The project lead Chopblock decided he wanted to delay the project for months to add a bunch of STUFF to it with MBF21.
It's less 94 Protons of /vr/ and more like 94 What The Fucks of Chopblock now

>>8961732
Hard Fast Faggot Maps
(not all of the maps are hard, fast, or particularly faggoty)

>>8961742
I've seen a few posts mentioning that they have a map started, but couldn't finish before the given deadline.
If you're in that boat, and think you could finish your map with an extension, reply to this post or your map will die in its sleep Wednesday night.
Hard Mode: Post a screenshot of your progress so far.
Dante Must Die Mode: Vote yes on the poll and finish your map before Wednesday anyway.

>>8961795
>94 What The Fucks of Chopblock
If I didn't already have my map ideas and map names lined up, I would ensure there was a "94 Blocks of Chop" submitted.

>>8961816
>94 Blocks of Chop
>Starts with a slow, lengthy lift before the actual map starts

>>8961439
The only issue with Dark Forces of now, is the fact that no one has modded the MAC release with high res sprites into the force engine.

>>8961394
Chasm is already on the menu, so go try Dark Forces or Eradicator.

>>8961810
>Dante Must Die Mode: Vote yes on the poll and finish your map before Wednesday anyway.
You're on, bitch

>>8961810
I haven't even started yet, but I have an idea and if my head doesn't hurt tomorrow, I should produce it speedmapping-style.

>>8961835
Isn't that a map from that 400 lines wad?

>>8961554
okay i found the thread but the dl link is literally the exact same name as the one I got off github, but this one has the .exe and everything. why do people do this. I've gotten the normal versions off github before

>>8961480
Played this on a whim and it was pretty fun. I'm just a scrub so I played on Hurt Me Plenty and while it was tense for a bit I only died once (to the archvile surrounded by hell knights). Nice line of sight blockers for every tough enemy so once you know where to stand it wasn't bad at all. I couldn't figure out how to get most of the secrets though but it also took me a minute to figure out I could just sprint to the blue key because I'm a noob.

>>8961838
Godspeed. Some great, lean maps came out of 400mins, like MAP01 which was just around 600-ish lines I think.

>>8961841
Is it? I drew these lines myself

>>8961846
didn't fix it anyway. but turning vsync on cuts it down to a "blink and you miss it" type deal. I've never had this problem with a source port before. guess I'll stick to prboom+ for now

>>8961848
Thanks for playing! Also I'm glad my work into putting in difficulty levels paid off lol, a lot of people just play UV constantly

>>8957880
To me, it seems to be about getting used to being negative about this kind of stuff. Although the amount of certain attention 3D Realms appears to get does feel pretty odd: from out-of-nowhere rumors here to Miller's weird copypastas.
>>8961394
Since a few anons already suggested Chasm and DOOM 64, I would point towards HROT. If you want older titles specifically, then Heretic/Hexen series, Soldier of Fortune and Return to Castle Wolfenstein are a good choice too. Also, how about Wolfenstein 3D and/or Ken's Labyrinth?

>>8961351
Slave Zero

>>8961351
Future Cop LAPD

>>8961795
94 Months of Cockblock.

Maybe I should learn how to do MBF21 and add a bunch of awful shit to it.
25 terrible monster ideas of /vr/

>>8961742
Yea. I might actually get mine done then. I've been hauling ass on it in like 15 minute chunks the last two nights, and I'm at 417 lines and beginning enemy placement and testing etc.
So cool. That's good to know.

>>8961970
>>8961810
this'n
there are some pretty bare areas still, but I have ~100 lines to go to do some hopefully fun things.
My plan was to do the basic layout in 300 lines then use the other 200 for detailing and monster encounter setup etc... Idunno. Never did a mapping limitation like this.

>>8961986
I like your shapes and magma corridors. Looking forward to trying it out.

>>8961394
heretic was great when i played it
expansions like opposing force and the mission packs may be good to chack out if you have not already
DUSK is good all around
ULTRAKILL is great if you're into that stuff (though calling it fully retro inspired is a bit of a stretch)

going into mods would take too long and probably would be similar to everyone else.

>>8961743
hump any suspicious walls i guess, not like anything bad`s gonna happen.
(looking at you, insanity`s requiem)

>>8961426
>>8961430
>>8961484
>>8961506
I just always look for whatever version has the most original content even if it is Cacodemons with dildoes in their asses

>>8962065
Well, this is it. I added deathmatch starts to maps that didn't have any. MAP17 and MAP35 have full support.
400 Minutes of /vr/ FNF when?

It's a subject that's been beat to death by this point, but DNF2001 has just enough fun content even in it's broken state to make me really want more and knowing I won't gives me the big sad.

>>8961310
Action Quake 2 is getting rereleased on Steam as AQtion
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1978800/AQtion/
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4165/aq2-aqtion-on-steam?page=1&scrollTo=31348

captcha: HOHHH

400 minutes of /vr/ Map01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk2sJ6iStSs

>>8962118
Someone beat you to posting it last thread. Congrats, you've reached e-celeb status

>>8962102
they should have remade the entire of duke 3d.

>>8962120
Huh, I didn't notice it behind all the e-fame.

I completed Ultimate Doom blind and now want to try pistol starting and aiming for 100% kills/secrets.
Is there a recommended document that outlines which levels have broken secrets or you can't get all kills on?
Preferably something that's easily referenced on a phone. Or are wiki pages and YouTube videos my best bet?

>>8962234
Off the top of my head there are no “broken” levels in Ultimate Doom. Everything can be 100/100/100. Unless I’m forgetting something. I guess you need to know to save a rocket in e3m6 but then again I’m not sure it’s essential.

>>8962270
E4M3 has 2 secret sectors that are blocked off by torches.

>>8962270
>I guess you need to know to save a rocket in e3m6 but then again I’m not sure it’s essential.
You can make the jump to the secret exit without rockets.

>>8961732
Hungry FrankenFurter Madness

>>8961743
I suddenly become a pro at secret hunting when I'm trying to find the exit.

>>8962180
>ww2 coming
oh NO

>>8961394
play serious sam

>>8962258
>play game
Okay.
I've been cycling between 400m, Ion Fury, and Duke's World Order.

>>8962258
i mean, this isn`t /v/, so it`s no problem

>>8962270
>he forgot E4M3 and E4M7
oh no no no no no

>>8962290
>>8962313
>>8962387
Oh fuck my ass and call me Kelly I guess
My memory has spectre effect on

>>8961732
Horny Friends For Men

>clock changes
Realized 16 maps in, holy shit

>>8962234
You'll learn more through the doom wiki and speedruns honeslty.

>>8961742
>>8961310
Alright, the deadline has been extended to June 5th, 11:59 PM EST.

>>8962489
5th of June? Fuck me, I may as well go play some Plutonia this week to get into the groove.

>>8962449
how does this work?

>>8962496
It's just a separate interpic for each map.

>>8962507
that's a lot of interpics

>>8961801
>(not all of the maps are hard, fast, or particularly faggoty)
blunder of the millennium

>>8962547
hey my map has not only has 18 naked demons in the showers but also a giant cockship so you can't say it isn't faggy

>>8962180
>crashing moment, google release computer system, nigga follow pirated
what did it means by this?

>>8962539
for you

>>8960638
I just started playing these games and finished Doom 1 and Hell on Earth. Are those wads I could play once I finish TNT and Plutonia? Ultra crispy sounds familiar as I've played Blood before, although just vanilla Blood.

>>8961307

>>8962591
all i want is some proper high poly models of the player model.

Alright, I'm on map 4 of Counterattack and I'm getting sick of zombiemen nibbling away from barely visible terraces. How did this wad get so much attention? When it's not unfun, it's boring..

>>8962615
The incredibly distinctive settings formed only from stock textures, with large, interconnected maps that open up like onion layers to form new passageways, larger arenas, and clever modes of progression, punctuated with heavy zombie men usage to achieve a classic KDITD feeling does nothing for you? You got filtered hard, anon

>>8962591
>Unreal
>1920x1080
>HUD not incredibly small
Since when?

Is blade of agony really that bad?

>>8962634
I'm thinking pretty much the opposite, it wants to be clever with Metroid inspired maps that gradually open and fill up, but the layouts were designed around the setpieces and it's too obvious. There's no flow and the maps are a chore to navigate.
>classic KDITD feeling
Sniping a dozen zombiemen while a group of cacos gets stuck on detailing is not how I remember KDITD, but it's something normal in this wad.

>>8962591
How'd you scale the hud?

>>8962703
Next patch

>>8962703
>>8962728
https://www.oldunreal.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=100411#p100411

>>8961743
just beat it normally

>>8962729
howd you get it to look unfiltered but still use high res and hud scaling too?

>>8962798
>set actor bNoSmooth true
>set texture bNoSmooth true
on every load
>set input "key" set actor bNoSmooth true | set texture bNoSmooth true

>>8962118

>>8961679
>awful
was it? got a copy?

>>8962847

>>8962858
I don't, but to paint a picture, the map basically used Doom's monsters in the most obnoxious and least fun ways possible, like forcing you to fight 8 pain elementals with only a rocket launcher. As shitwad anon put it, it's easy to kill the player, but it's much harder to thrill them.

>>8962807
good to know, though it reminds me how much i find Unreal's console commands so weird when so much i'm used to is "quake-style" commands

looking for feedback before i submit this to the 512 project
https://files.catbox.moe/yn2q5n.zip

>>8962807
>on every load
Doesn't Unreal have autoexec files?

>>8962807
>>8962971
Alternatively,
Options -> Advanced Options -> Rendering -> OpenGL Support -> NoFiltering = True

>>8962076
Next friday, duh
>>8962958
I'll try to play this this evening if I manage

>>8962710
>Sniping a dozen zombiemen while a group of cacos gets stuck on detailing
Yet you still struggle.

>>8962858
https://files.catbox.moe/hy1aay.zip

I tried it a few times, couldn't get very far. Seems designed to piss you off but like I said, I haven't really tried to beat it yet. Have to fight a bunch of pain elementals with no cover and only a rocket launcher, pop-up enemies when you try to move out of the middle, and as far as I'm aware the pit is inescapable.

>>8963080
Oh, THIS was Shittlecock? I was wondering why I didn't remember it.
It doesn't really seem that hard, and I'm shit at Doom. I just rocket the pop-up Baron near the Plasma Gun and use the HP and armor refresh along with the ammo and Invis to start culling PE's. Dunno if it's feasible far beyond that tho, since I haven't beaten lots of 400mins slaughter-y maps that seems nakedly sadistic, but it never seemed worth cutting on quality alone. It doesn't even have a hot start, unless you get really unlucky with the one Former Human that sees you from a million miles away.
That fuckin' MIDI is bumpin' too. Shame Black Crime Rates couldn't just go Anonymous at least, or go with "Black Crime Rates 13/50 In My Book" or something creative.

>>8963145
I did give the author a chance to change his name and let the map in. You can probably imagine how that went.

brutal doom 1 episode 2: nightmare 100% secrets is here!

the long awaited sequel to the first episode

This time its a real bloodbath

brainlet here, can someone explain the need for wads to be boom compatible and mbf21?

>>8963189
Boom's just widely accepted, it runs on most ports and from a mapping standpoint, it's a good sweet spot between vanilla's limitations and the full retard feature creep of UDMF.

>>8963145
Yeah I didn't even know there was an invis, just got filtered and put it aside for the time being.

And while it is a shame that the sperg author wouldn't change his name, I suspect the people in this thread proclaiming the map to be "awful" are just butthurt niggerfaggots.

>>8963182
its really gore-tastic!

>>8963189
MBF21 is the latest fad.

it's 4 in the morning, is anyone gonna host a game??

>>8963291
Join /vr/ Sucks at 51.161.34.159:10666 on Zandronum

>>8963249
>>8963189
>latest fad

Just wait until dsda-doom finalizes its support for doom-in-hexen

>>8963301
i have to download the mods you're using i think, it will take a little bit

>>8961310
>>8920816
Update for 512 Lines of /vr/:
Shadow Puppets (V4) by Wolpertinger
Midi is Ocean Base Act 1 from Sonic Advance 3
https://files.catbox.moe/35kmft.zip

Tweaked enemy placement, deepened some paths to make room for more ammo, better balance of ammo types overall, moved an item to a new secret. Ending illusion is now more convincing, the shootable exit now has measures to prevent accidentally leaving the map if fighting the Mastermind with hitscan.

>>8961673
I did offer feedback on a few 400min maps, gave some cursory praise to eggplant's 500 lines submission, and as far as I'm aware I was the only person who gave feedback on anon's map up in the news post, who is apparently the guy trying to do a starfox style branching path set up. Never got back to him on that updated version though, but it's an interesting concept.

I've just been busy as hell with my own shit, and to be honest running multiple projects this close to each other, especially quickies, leads to burnout on everybody's end. I hope 94 protons is something that goes on for a month or more so we have time to digest what's being offered.

I do feel bad when I see a map not getting feedback, but hopefully more people will grab the beta when all the wads are conveniently packaged and then we'll see what they think

I miss when decino would play something other than slaughtershit all the time, the Plutonia and TNT playthroughs were the most interesting.

>>8963417
I got kind of bored of him before then, it's a shame ones like this dude aren't doing better since I find his more interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MaoZeDingDong/videos

>>8961394
Unreal, Quake, (Arcane Dimensions, Rubicon Rumble).

>>8963417
What are the alternatives to decino? I'd like to branch out too.

that was a really fun match, thanks bros

>>8962234
You usually just play the level until I'm completely out of options, then I check the wiki for what kind of bullshit they got for me. Takes long, but I feel satisfied.

>>8963249
MBF21 fixes shit that's broken in Boom and lets you go past simple limits which really should have been passed 20 years ago. It's Boom but ten times as good. I'd call Eternity a fad, because the only time anyone ever gave it any attention at all is Heartland.

>>8962591
>>8962729
>>8962738
AAAAAAAAAAAA WHY DID I HAVE TO BEAT UNREAL AGAIN NOW? Man, looks like I may have go for that OldUnreal!Unreal playthrough much sooner than I thought... Or I could fuck around with bots or something.

>>8963179
Maybe you should've just let his map in and not cuck out?

>>8963631
you uh, wanna play it co-op, bro?

>>8963649
You know, I'd like to see how co-op would play out. Maybe there'll be some notable differences.

>>8962847

>>8961370
You M. A. D.?

>>8963317
>doom-in-hexen
Frankly baffling that this isn't more prevalent.

>>8963614
The Eternity hype was outright murdered by MBF21. And that's a good thing, because Eternity is a trashfire of a port.

>>8963669
Because UDMF exists?

>>8963672
B-B-BUT MUH CHICKENSHIT

>>8963669
It's really only any use for mapping for the multiplayer ports at the moment, since Odamex and ZDaemon don't support UDMF at all and Zandronum's support is a decade out of date.

>>8963707
Huh, but didn't Odamex recently implement UDMF? Or is it work-in-progress?

>>8963351
How do you get out of this pit?

>>8963614
As much as I respect skillsaw, it was kinda dick move to make everyone use this shit no one would ever downloaded otherwise, just because you want to be a very special and important snowflake. Unless there was some other important reason, but I'm 99.9% sure there wasn't.

>>8961559
do it for him

Project Babel update when?

>>8963743
I forgot, wasn't the dev working on that? I think it was a big under the hood update.

>>8963712
I didn't see any mention of it skimming over their Github releases. You might be thinking of UMAPINFO or MBF21, which were added recently.

>>8963730
is this an edit, or was aniki really too good for this world?

>>8963782
https://twitter.com/billyherring777/status/839691233257644032

>>8961394
Overrated ugly fangame for psychos.

>>8963791
asbolute legend
taken too soon

>>8961394
I'd continue by playing Ashes (doom wad). The whole wad feels like a build game.

>>8963682
But what does Doom In Hexen actually offer?

>>8963829
Nothing that doesn't already exist.
People just hate GZDoom and in consequence UDMF.
If you released something like MBF25 that had all the features of UDMF without being UDMF, everyone would love it.

>>8963829
Hexen features, since it's basically just writing a Doom map in the Hexen map format.

anyone up for some deathmatch again? i had a lot of fun earlier

Was 512 lines deadline extended or not?

>>8962489
>>8964000

>>8963729
Eternity has seamless portals that let you stack room over room and Heartland was designed around that. It plays more like a Build game than a Doom wad 2bh

is there anything particular i gotta do or set up to play Doom in co-op?

>>8961394
Serious Sam, Painkiller, Quake. Also you should have beaten Wolf 3D and Rise of the Triad, ya heckin' DOOFUS.

>>8964050
local or over LAN?

>>8964050
Download Zandronum. It comes with Doomseeker, which will let you play games online and download the custom WADs being played automatically in most cases.
>mfw Doomseeker downloads 400minvr.zip from idgames

>>8964061
if i can do splitscreen then BOTH, fuck yeah

>>8964073
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Splitscreen

>>8963729
It uses features that are not even possible in gzdoom atm (and probably never will be). One of these are seamless portals like the other anon mentioned and one is horizontally moving platforms (train in the beginning, and few unique combat scenarios). It's not a dick move to make unique wad on a niche source port. You can always download the source port for free.

>>8964027
>>8964123
I thought you can do "room over room" in gzdoom without any portals.

>>8963393
>anon's map up in the news post
Oh god I didn't realize that got put in the news post. Thanks again for your feedback on that—it was reassuring to know that my desire to make big-ass maps isn't entirely unappreciated.
But once the 512 Lines project wraps-up, I'm gonna be revamping the project, so that link can be removed from the news post.
>>8961310
Again, thank you for doing so, but there's more valuable uses for the character limit. Next thread, maybe use that space to mention the 512 Linedefs deadline extension?

>>8963635
No.

>>8963635
t. That mapper

>>8963036
thank you
i didnt put easy or medium mode in so if its to hard i can fix it.

>>8964143
Yes.
>>8964146
Not that mapper. Also, are you sure you should be here and not back in Doomworld where you belong?

Here's feedback for the 512 Lines maps that I couldn't beat after a half-hour of attempts:
>>8929662
>"Egg Shell Sandwich" by Hand-peeled
10/10 MIDI, immediately gets you in the mood. Fuck you very much for the Chaingunner at the start, it feels like a crapshoot whether he'll start blasting you or not, which is double rude considering there's no health in the immediate next arena (where you get the Rocket Launcher against a bunch of pinkies.) The blue armor is nice, but a Medkit or two would be better, especially considering you revisit that fucking arena (which is the battle that made me give up trying.)
The Arachnotron ambush is dickish, but mostly because the Imps and Revs can very easily body you into getting gibbed an an Arachnotron. My blue armor never lasted this long either.
Highlight for me is the room with the teleporting monsters, but I can't clear it without the secret. Overall really fun map, though clearly out of my wheelhouse.
>>8935378
>"Flynn Taggart Dies In Magma" by NepNep
Talk about a fucking "hot" start. The abundance of Medkits at the start made it feel less frustrating and more "instructive" somehow, but the opening room is still incredibly grindy. I've even found it a bit RNG-y, having been mowed-down before I could even get to the Shotgun and kill a single Chaingunner.
This map just feels incredibly mean-spirited. I didn't really have any fun with it until the final room, which feels tough but much more fair with all the infighting that can happen and the significant reduction in hitscanner-and-Revenant spam. And I only even get to the end room once every 12 attempts maybe.
Another map clearly not meant for someone like me. But at least it fits with its internal theme of blatantly trying to kill the player. (The normal-speed lifts in the magma torture my patience.)
Oh yeah, another sick fuckin' MIDI tho. The heavy metal sounds fits the cruelty of the gameplay really nicely.

>>8964123
I've seen seamless portals and horizontal platforms in GZ (e.g. in Blade of Agony). I think the limitation is that enemies don't see you through the portals though.
>>8964146
also not that mapper, and I think it wasn't handled right. at first it was in the map list and then it just quietly wasn't in the release version without any comments.
if you don't put "be worksafe" in project rules in advance, don't use a trip to discuss the issue, and then don't even announce that you've thrown out a map, it does come off as sketchy to me.

>>8964164
A lot of mappers actually expect to have an audience to play their map. If it's absolutely essential for you to make your map named niggerfaggot, then make your own project instead of adding it to a CP where you sabotage everyone else for no reason. When a couple dozen other anons expect the project to actually go somewhere, and one throws in nigger just to prevent this, then everyone else has the right to tell him to fuck off.
I'll also remind you 300 Minutes of /vr/ had an author named FAGGOT who made maps titled PERFECT FAGGOT and FAGGOT BENEATH and he too was asked to change his names, which he did without being a sperg.

>>8964224
>sabotage everyone else for no reason
>just to prevent this
How?

>>8964224
He should have called organizer anon a FAGGOT and told him to fuck off back to wherever he came from.

>>8964224
>When a couple dozen other anons
if we're playing democracy, put it to a poll. don't just put words in other mappers' mouths, it's annoying as shit.

>>8964224
What if not everyone wants to get cucked by doomworld's gay "rules"? This is how dictactorships form.

>>8964123
UDMF has seamless portals and horizontally moving platforms though.

>>8964235
Then host your own project where you're allowed to do that shit like HFFM.

>>8964238
You don't need to make your own project for that. All 4chan projects are allowing that crap by default and if they forbid it then they shouldn't be on 4chan.

>>8964238
who and at what point said it wasn't allowed in 400min? quote the exact post.

>>8964129
It has its own limitations but 3d floors can do it

>>8964227
>everyone makes normal maps with regular names
>in comes KILL KIKES KONSTANTLY by 1488DeadBlackBabies
>project can't exist anywhere else because of one edgelord

>>8964252
Ever thought the problem is the actually fact that the project "can't exist anywhere"?

>>8964252
it can exist just fine

94 Protons isn't letting this shit slide either btw, see pic related

>>8964261
What is 94 Protons?

>>8964252
Then do what was done with Hard Fast Faggot Maps.
>>8964261
Then 94 Protons is not a /vr/ project.

>>8964261
yes, making rules clear in advance (or literally at any point) is a much better way of handling this. but it's 94 protons, so it's a hypothetical issue anyway.

Why even allow someone to have their map be attributed to some edgy screen-name if it's clearly not an actual username and it's just to stir up shit?

>>8963715
There's a shootable switch that raises the floor, should be brighter than the surroundings.

>>8954853
>"Slivovitz Liver Massacre" by ASO3000
I've already complimented your MIDI choice to you once, but I'll say again that it's good. Thankfully all these maps that I can't beat have GOOD beats.
The Pain Elemental-Chaingunner room with the nukage is a brilliancy IMO, absolute stunner of an encounter all around. The fucking Arch-vile star room sucks my balls tho, and I fucking hate having my balls sucked. I've slammed my face into that room over and over with middling success at best, ironic since I stumbled my way through it on first clear. Now I can't even remember what's past that because I've died to it so many times... Oh I just idclip'd to see, that's right this is the map that only works on "-complevel 9". Damn I really want to say more about this map but it just stone-cold rolls my ass.
>.
I've played a couple other maps, but since I'm not getting anywhere with them after about 15 minutes each I'm not putting in any more effort. Somebody with more schkillz than me can have a go. Ganbatte kudasai.
>.
Also apologies that I can't give more helpful critiques to the maps that I did comment on. Hopefully what I have said will at least be useful to you in some way. Thank you all so much for your contributions.

>>8964272
Ah, it's shootable, duh. Thanks!

>>8964270
why allow anything? why disallow anything? the lead's own map had an edgy title, and there weren't any pissing girls in it, now what?

>everyone ignoring that the map was purposely shit so it would draw ire regardless
Even if it wasn't explicitly excluded for faggotry people would've wanted it excluded for quality. At which point the mapper would've went off about censorship anyway. It was an obvious ploy.
But the next trick in the handbook is double down, so he'll just samefag in the thread until until we hit 20 deleted posts.
Quality shit.

>>8964282
>people would've wanted
stop it

>>8964282
It really wasn't that bad dude. There were way worse submission; in fact, I guarantee the streamers that've covered 400mins so far would've liked "Shittlecock" more than "I'll Be Here 'Til I'm Dead". (Real!) (Not clickbait!)

I want neither tranny nigger shit or /pol/ shit in my Doom, fuck off with putting politics into everything

>>8964286
What's wrong with IBHTID? I remember watching one of the streamers that said they liked the idea of IBHTID.

>>8964267
>Then do what was done with Hard Fast Faggot Maps.
Censor it? The entire excuse this faggot wanted to bitch about his map being rejected?

>>8964297
Make two versions. One is uncut, released here and maybe on DBP, if one so wishes. The other one is for Doomworld, that has different names for offending maps.

>>8964278
It was only a shootable switch because of a previous iteration of that room, I might change it.

>>8964302
Why cater to Doomworld at all?

>>8964306
Exposure

>>8964295
It's big, open, and vacant. Someone described it as a "slaughter map where the creator pussied out at the last second", and that's pretty accurate. Though the truth is that I'm just so new to mapping and so bad at Doom that it emerged from an uncomfortable middle ground between "spectacular display" and "My First Map.wad" levels of detailing and encounter design. I could go on, but I won't gush self-criticism.
By comparison, "Shittlecock" employs techniques like pop-up monsters which "I'll Be Here"'s creator clearly didn't know about, or some of the enemies like the Manc and Arachnotron in the watery cave would have been done that way. And for ostensibly the same purpose: to stuff the player's forward movement along a desired path and, specifically, away from a threat (the PE's in Shittlecock, the Cyberdemon in I'll Be Here). But Shittlecock doesn't waste you fucking time with a long hallway to the "ambush", and there's something worth getting on the other side that you think is merely trapped with the explosive barrels (also pretty smart IMO, as pre-exploding them should damage the Baron I think).

>>8964295
What? Who where?

>>8964310
I think he's talking bout stxvile's stream: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1481278751
There's been a couple others, but I forget their names.

>>8964315
>stxvile
Nice. That's pretty high praise then.

>>8964307
I couldn't give two shits about exposure.
Besides, because of my contributions and wanton posting in these threads, you can now trace a direct line between my real name and me saying "nigger", so the longer that takes to burble-up the funnier it'll be.
>>8964316
I think "I like the idea of this map" was literally the only words he spoke about that map. I don't read that as "high praise", I read that as "polite dismissal".
I don't mind. In fact, I'm solely focused on reviews of my 512LD maps to see how I've improved.

>>8964303
Finished it and had a lot of fun. Really cool concept only being able to see silhouettes made it very visually striking. Pretty difficult even on Hurt Me Plenty for me, had a good amount of trouble with the Revenant ambush and that asshole Archvile that spawns if a barrel is shot.
Only part I didn't really like was the invisible walls at the end. I expected them to line up with the triangle on the floor but it doesn't so it made dodging around confusing at first.

>>8963182
https://youtu.be/20-xHgxF1zs

>>8964325
Will have to check the actual video to see.

>>8964078
yo do none of them support four player splitscreen? i'm sure console rereleases of Doom have

Do you prefer levels that feel like real places with identifiable purposes, or more abstract and gamified levels?

I made a new map for my Doom 2 wad. It's kind of a throwaway, but I wanted to try a gimmick.
https://www.doomworld.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=185437

Doom 2 iwad, complevel 2, difficulty implemented, MAP16 slot.
Maps 12, 13, 14, 17 and 18 are also present but have been already tested.
Doomworld thread for other maps etc.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-wip-megawad-for-doom-2-episode-2-progress-611-latest-map-map16-update-010622/?tab=comments#comment-2158909

>>8964340
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/91789-splitscreen-branch-34203ah2/
It's out of date, but still fine for vanilla/boom

>>8964359
i like the first to as great a degree as possible, my favorite levels are fantastical places that still have a touch of 'demons congregate here'

>>8964359
I think it's important to be able to identify individual locations on the map, but Doom isn't very conductive to realism.

>>8964359
Just have a consistent texture set and memorable, cool looking (not inherently realistic) structures and I'll be fine either way.

>>8964307
Only the compromised versions get exposure. What's the point? It's not like Doomworld regulars will drop their latest technicolor pentagram slaughterwad to play a /vr/ community project, anyway.

>>8964328
what did he mean by this?

>>8964207
>Egg Shell Sandwich
Thanks for playing anon.
If you run in a circle to grab the SSG and immediately hide behind the central structure the chaingunner will usually not hit you (I just tested it, he only hit me 2 out of 10 times). I'll add some extra health to that room though (during the final battle, there's also medkits in the monster closets).
I'll also tweak the arachnotron room a bit since it also was the least consistent one for me. Maybe I'll just make the room a bit bigger so you have more space to dodge/evade.

>>8964429
>there's also medkits in the monster closets
Damn, if I didn't get waffle-stomped by the Archies I might have found those. But that's a fair bit. I appreciate you double-checking my own tests with the Chaingunner. Like you said, it's not often, but it's not exactly a Nat 1 event either.
For the Arachnotron room, a little more space might help. Altho once I can get the Imps culled a bit, maneuvering becomes much easier. It might help to just reduce their numbers a bit even, since you can't really stay in once place and thin their numbers effectively.
... Holy shit I just double-checked in UDB, yeah I'd say in that small of confines, 16 fucking Imps gets out of hand fast with 4 Revs and 4 Touhoutrons applying pressure. I wonder if my successful attempts always involved the Plasma Gun or well-placed Rockets and I never realized. But a bit more room would still help tremendously at making Rockets more viable in those quarters too, for more than the first 2 seconds that monsters are 'porting in.
Take all this with a grain of salt, I am extremely bad at crowd control in Doom 2 so that might just be hamstringing me. The first two encounters seem heavily assisted by manipulating infighting, so there might still be a way to trigger than consistently for the Arachnotrons and I just can't figure it out.

Eric's streaming 400 Minutes of /vr/ with HDest on Bezo's platform
eric631

>>8960660
Does the function:
>void() W_FireSuperSpikes =
With the line
>self.attack_finished = time + 0.2;
decide the delay between the shots of the supernailgun? If so, when I change it to a higher number, compile it and paste in my mod folder, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong.

>>8964501
Which one is Bezo's platform?

>>8964359
Both are good. You can even do something that's both at the same time.

>>8964367
gee wilikers thanks mister! that looks really tight

Update for 512 Lines of /vr/:
Shadow Puppets (V5) by Wolpertinger
Midi is Ocean Base Act 1 from Sonic Advance 3
https://files.catbox.moe/6jj78f.zip

Changed a shootable switch to a normal use-activated one, and made it smaller. Finding it is supposed to be the solution, not figuring out what to do with it.

>>8964329
Thanks for the feedback.
Allowing the player to move freely around the entire area exposes some HOMs, but I moved the ammo pickups to line up with the edge of the impassable lines instead of right behind the pillars, hopefully that makes the walkable area more intuitive.

>>8961310
>>8920816
Update for 512 Lines of /vr/:
Shadow Puppets (V5) by Wolpertinger
Midi is Ocean Base Act 1 from Sonic Advance 3
https://files.catbox.moe/6jj78f.zip

Changed a shootable switch to a normal use-activated one, and made it smaller. Finding it is supposed to be the solution, not figuring out what to do with it.

>>8964329
Thanks for the feedback.
Allowing the player to move freely around the entire area exposes some HOMs, but I moved the ammo pickups to line up with the edge of the impassable lines instead of right behind the pillars, hopefully that makes the walkable area more intuitive.

>>8964510
In that particular case, attack_finished would only really affect how quickly you can switch weapons after firing or start firing again after completely stopping. The nailguns are animation-driven with W_FireSuperSpikes being called from player_nail1 and player_nail2 which loop each other as long as left click is held.
If you want to change fire rate, put self.nextthink = time + #; in both of those animation functions with # being the time in seconds between animation frames (default 0.1).

anyone up for a deathmatch?

>>8963440
heh, thanks. After reading this thread, I think I'll include shittlecock in the 400min video. Because I'm an ass lol

>>8964510
adding to the other anon's answer:
http://www.cataboligne.org/extra/qcmanual.html#Definition_of_a_frame_function

>>8964295
I warmed up to it quite quickly, even though I didn’t like the song. Fun and open with some options, that back river with the bluekey elevator was especially cool.
>>8964308
>Someone described it as a "slaughter map where the creator pussied out at the last second", and that's pretty accurate.
What part of any of this is considered “slaughter”?

>>8964328
>when I posted e1
>DUDE ITS JUST LE E1 EVERYONE HAS LE DONE THAT

>when i post e2
>*crickets* *crickets*

explain.
>>8964328
I feel like this literally picks up after the end of e1

this is a space marine gameplay. non-tas'd is imperial guard tier

>>8964610
>this is a space marine gameplay. non-tas'd is imperial guard tier
What?

>>8964632
It’s apparently some spaz who got doxxed in /sg/ for doing stuff like what you’re seeing now.

>>8964603
>What part of any of this is considered “slaughter”?
The big open arenas with a ton of enemies (the room with the exit lift, the big waterfall room) have the "dodge a bunch of enemies while picking them apart" approach as an option, so treating them as slaughter-lite makes some sense. And as the most direct approach, it needs to be treated with the most attention IMO, or you risk making the player feel like they have to solve an esoteric puzzle vs a challenge of skill.
"I'll Be Here" also has the opposite problem, where these same arenas can just be entered and exited freely, making them less of challenges and more of set pieces.
Basically, I can see how a more experienced player could easily misinterpret the intentions of the map, because I was very naive while making it, and looking back with some of the experienced I've gained since then, it shows. I greatly appreciate your appraisal of my map, by the way. Thank you very much for the engagement!

>>8964632
a space marine is a genetically modified super soldier designed for combat against the various xenos species in the Warhammer 40k universe

they are not however the best that the imperium of man has to offer.

the one I mean by space marine here in this diagram is the primaris space marine, created during the 31st millenium

there are a quadrillion or so imperial guard and significantly less space marines, perhaps about a 100 thousand. So that should give you an idea of just how expendable and pathetic an imperial guard is because they regularly are used as cannon fodder

>>8964274
Hey man thanks for the feedback and especially for the nice words. Honest praise just feels good and makes me think I made the right (mapping) decisions. Glad I got some more maps out before rl hit me hard; right now I am relegated to checking a thread once a day or so because I just have no time.
The secret to the archvile room is to take a step back and be quick

>>8964670

>>8964681
>hearing Walt's words in my head
O I'm laffin
He's talking about the gameplay in the video being top-tier, i.e. "Space Marine"-tier, versus middling or lowbie, i.e. "Imperial Guard". I think.

now i can begin playing e3 over and over again until I figure out how to deal with the spider and the mancubi

i saw a vanilla doom 2 nightmare 100% speedrun that was like 40
minutes by zero master

do you guys have the latest updated version of the Doom Zero WAD ?

>>8961307
>THOSE CITY SLICKERS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR RUINING MY CROPS

Chuck Nuckem Sneedever

now i can begin playing e3 over and over again until I figure out how to deal with the spider, mancubi, and every secret's location

i saw a vanilla doom 2 nightmare 100% speedrun that was like 40 minutes by zero master

>>8964328
having weapon proficiency (knowing what weapons work good against certain enemies. e.g. minigun (close range), plasma rifle (med-long range) against cacodemons, and barons. And a solid knowledge of where berserker kits and backpacks helped in not wasting any ammo.

When I have knowledge where things are I can practically loop around the map in the circle, collect keycards/skulls, and waste less time staring at a map

the final boss and the ceiling crusher traps gave me severe anxiety. Where as barons and cacodemons are real bullet sponges

now i can begin playing e3 over and over again until I figure out how to deal with the spider, mancubi, and every secret's location

i saw a vanilla doom 2 nightmare 100% speedrun that was like 40 minutes by zero master

>>8964328 (You) #
having weapon proficiency (knowing what weapons work good against certain enemies. e.g. minigun (close range), plasma rifle (med-long range) against cacodemons, and barons. And a solid knowledge of where berserker kits and backpacks helped in not wasting any ammo.

When I have knowledge where things are I can practically loop around the map in the circle, collect keycards/skulls, and generally waste less time overall

the final boss and the ceiling crusher traps gave me severe anxiety. Where as barons and cacodemons are real bullet sponges


I havent gotten the chance to see what is at the end of e3 before, because I have yet to have finish it. So im excited to be suprised at what happens when i get there

>>8964816
Is that not on moddb?

>>8964835
i thought it was a paid only affair, is it really free?

>>8964846
No. Almost all of them free.
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Official_add-ons

>>8964832
Play Hideous Destructor like a real man

>>8964846
It was bundled with a re-release but it's still free.

>>8964832

since the completion of this i can now move on to e3. I could rewatch it again and again and become inspired to see what could be possible on episode 3

What areas could I improve on?

Basically I think I should shoot at mancubi and spiders with the plasma rifle or minigun

But idk, the varying BFGs that are strewn around in episode 3 are quite new to me and I dont quite have an idea of how to properly apply them yet

>>8964862
>play boring mod because I say so
no. theres a reason why hideous deatructor isnt popular like brutal doom.

On the opposite spectrum project brutality has far too many weapons
as you can see here >>8964328 the axe is very effective yet simplistic.

>>8964860
>>8964865
oh wow

>>8964875
I use axe because it makes me look cool you see because the axe is this cool berserker weapon, akin to fighting tooth and nail like a wolf or a bear.

>>8964660
>The big open arenas with a ton of enemies have the "dodge a bunch of enemies while picking them apart" approach as an option, so treating them as slaughter-lite makes some sense.
That seems like a standard strategy regardless of mob size so I guess the idea of it being considered “slaugtherish” isn’t clicking for me. It felt like a practical amount of enemies that are engaged and dealt with practically, sometimes unconventionally considering I got some barons and knights crushed and the cyberdemon telefragged.
I’m also just a scummy player who doesn’t design maps so you’d probably know more about what is and isn’t than I would, even if you’re “startin out”. I just found it odd because I didn’t feel any “slaughtery” pressure that I’d normally associate with the term, even if the map wasn’t an easy breezy picnic.
>spoiler
Hell yes anon, keep it up.

thoughts on this mod?

https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/addons/brutalized-doom-and-doom-ii

I think it'll be cool to see it tas'd 100% secrets -fastmonsters on nightmare

>>8964862
Play La Tailor Girl like a real man

i had a really old version of Doom Zero, 1.8, it's on 3.0 now!
and thanks for showing me all those other cool WADs too.

does anyone wanna play some versus one another?

>>8964359
Abstraction where it resembles caves and temples.
Realism and most technological abstractions tends to take away the gameplay aspect for me because I find that the gameplay literally funnels into simple corridor shooting.

>>8964862
>play this mod that imitates real life in a video game space instead of super testosterone berserker rip and tear simulator

yeah no thanks

>>8964975
im 20

>>8964924
>It felt like a practical amount of enemies that are engaged and dealt with practically, sometimes unconventionally considering I got some barons and knights crushed and the cyberdemon telefragged.
Fucking blessed, this is the type of stuff that I love to see players do in my maps.
I think my map clicked with you, but it's lop-sided. It's not clicking with players who see the large rooms and go, "Where's all the enemies?" There's also some practical approaches that I might have flubbed, like not properly giving the player cover in a couple places, like you said not applying slaughter-ish pressure to large arenas, which probably leaves some players scratching their heads as they casually run past entire encounters.
I won't pretend to know for sure whether that map's any good or not, but it's given me a lot to think about for my 512LDs submissions. (That said, I might still fail in many technical aspects of mapping, like adequately conveying information to players, or making encounters boring for highly-skilled players.)
Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep your words in mind as I work on my Episode-length WAD.

>>8964995
>or making encounters boring for highly-skilled players.
Eh, that's a point I wouldn't sweat. If someone only feels validated if they can kill a room with 50 revenants while being chased by seventeen archviles from all directions it's their problem. It's like people who can only get hard from brasilian teenage tranny vomit porn anymore.There are enough maps for them.

Make the maps you want to see and that you would like to play. I do.

>>8964875
I mean has anyone who plays project brutality ever sat down and thought do I actually need to carry 40 weapons?

I mean dont get me wrong,>>8964328 In this entire video I only ever touch the m60 with grenade launcher only once and that was just to disarm it of its grenade so I dont accidentally harm myself

>>8965012
I mean there could be some instances where it could be a unique challenge such as being forced to use the break action grenade launcher for several maps until finding a semi auto one in the bonus map

>>8965010
While I won't cater to that type of player, I'm not going to dismiss their comments entirely either. A player who can handle high-intensity slaughter maps has skills and experience I lack, and I'll pick and choose the information they share for what I think will make my maps work better, without necessarily giving-up the things I enjoy about them.
For example, I don't want encounters to feel unfair. So if a player with a lot of expertise says something like, "this ambush would be harder if you added X or removed Y," or "this trap is bullshit because you have to know X or Y happens no matter what," I'll at least take those comments seriously, even if I don't immediately change my mapping practices/techniques immediately to accommodate.

>>8964945
It's actually really fun, it's like Kid Chameleon Doom but with tiddys.

>>8961310
For 512 linedefs of /vr/
Update for "Egg Shell Sandwich" (v2) by Hand-peeled
https://files.catbox.moe/nwe4ss.wad
Mostly small tweaks, also lower difficulties are balanced a bit better. Also included a demo.

>>8964995
>I think my map clicked with you, but it's lop-sided. It's not clicking with players who see the large rooms and go, “Where's all the enemies?"
There we go, now I’m far less confused on where they’re coming from. I still don’t fully agree with it because I saw all the space and went “wow, cool big ass water cave!”, and because it’s Doom I still had to get in the enemies’ faces to properly engage and kill them.
The choices at the start, the cybie key guard, finding out I can route back to the start for the soulsphere after fucking uo near the end and seeing I can take a blue key elevator back up - all fun, and memorable, thanks man.
Keep up the great fuckin work, I look forward to more of your maps.

>>8965012
Project Brutality is basically done by idiots who scrape other mods for guns and features to cram in there with little thought to how stupid it ends up.

They do other retarded stuff though, like trying to have testers sign an NDA, losing their minds because their "secret" github called "totallynothentai" was known by fucking everybody, and the time they lost their Discord server because the admin fell for a steam happy hour scam.

>>8965073
I'm glad to hear you had so much fun! I still have to say, there's things like the line of hitscanners in the waterfall cave that could be seen as obnoxious with how little cover there is if you're fighting them from the other side of the room, but it's something I can learn from and account for next time.
If you get the chance, I'd be honored if you'd play my 512 Lines submission and tell me what you think: https://mega.nz/folder/F8VmlbLC#m0rXmXIhBZ78cZ8tK7D_Aw
Thanks again for your kind words.

>>8964862
A normal STALKER fan would find it appealing, at least.
As realistic as it is, the speedy switching does feel somewhat “super powered” especially when someone’s this good at it.

>>8965073
I'm glad to hear you had so much fun! I still have to say, there's things like the line of hitscanners in the waterfall cave that could be seen as obnoxious with how little cover there is if you're fighting them from the other side of the room, but it's something I can learn from and account for next time.
>.
I had a pointless shill section in my original post asking you to play my maps, but I rescind that request: please playtest some other 512LD submissions if you get the chance, instead. I've already gotten some feedback on mine, so other maps that haven't been properly reviewed yet deserve the attention more.
Thanks again, regardless.

>>8964963
This has to be trolling.

>>8965092
Yeah, realistic damage goes both ways, aside from fantastical elements like shields. It's a good chunk of what makes HDest so fun.

>>8965095
You got it, I’ll tend to some real life priorities and then check some maps.

>>8965012
>I mean has anyone who plays project brutality ever sat down and thought do I actually need to carry 40 weapons?

Yes. It's why I disable a lot of the extra ones and set some to upgrade others. Like the SMG and Carbine are completely superfluous and unnecessary. The DMR works just fine as an automatic fire weapon. Too many weapons in PB step on each others' toes.

It's actually kind of annoying, because the version I have has bugs with the weapon CVARs that were present in 2.01 but fixed in the 3.0 Test from a few years ago. Disabling the SMG and Carbine don't disable shit so you have to turn off the enemies that drop them. Nailgun, too. And you barely get any pistol ammo unless you keep the ZSec troopers enabled, so I have to keep dropping this fucking SMG over and over again. The Revolver and Desert Eagle have this weird bug where if you set it to upgrade the pistol, it won't let you switch away from it until you turn it off.

>>8965075
>They do

You mean they did. Their github is totally open and anyone can download it now.

>>8965075
Yeah, it's bloated to hell and back, but some guns are really sexy.

I thought most people moved on from Brutal Doom/Project Brutality.

>>8965068
I'm just a scrub so it's probably my inexperience but this was the hardest of the 5 or so submissions I played so far (all on Hurt Me Plenty). I had to rely a lot on Pinkies being meat shields while kiting Revenant missiles. I liked looping back to the main room as things kept escalating. Its one of my favorite features in maps in general and I figured the restrictions on this project would make people do that a lot.

>>8965134
Still not sure if I want either of the guns in that slot enabled. Though I guess the freeze gun is useful for changing explosive barrels.

>>8962323
>ww2 coming
new Brutal doom ww2 update soon
>TANKS M4 Sherman, TIGER I and ETC
Tiger I test vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpiegJozxRw [Embed]
Sherman test Vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU63NQSYAsE [Embed]
>> still need help with editing brutal doom ww2
>bd ww2 edited dwnld https://files.catbox.moe/an48my.zip edited old copy
==================================
>bd ww2 OG dwnld https://files.catbox.moe/wagvto.zip this is the latest copy unedited

>>8965151
>no
Brutal doom is fun with mod stacked on top of BD

>>8961310
>>8937907
>>8920816
512 Linedefs Update for Hospice Relief:
https://files.catbox.moe/cpw4j8.wad
>Tweaked some encounters around
>Added a little bit more ammo
>Made one of the secrets a little less hard to find
Still pretty short, too bad I'm all out of linedefs

HDoom revitalization project when?
I demand more lewd doom mods.

Can someone link me the 2001 build pretty please

>>8965271
it's on archive dot org
op needs to update the opening post

>>8965151
I like some of their ideas but they're both too bloated and dumb.
I fucking love Babel.

With the deadline extension for 512 units of /vr/, I feel like redoing this map from scratch. Is it fine or does it look like shit?

>>8965314
Looks a touch on the boxy side, but otherwise fine. Dunno why you'd wanna waste time by starting over.

>>8965314
Looks fine to me so far. The hallways might need a little love, but other than that bottom room the rest seem to have decent detailing from this view.
Hard to tell without texturing or a 3D view tho.

Was it ever explained how in Duke Nukem episode 5 during the intro (The birth i believe?) they managed to sneak a camera inside the broodmother chamber? also shes my waifu btw

>>8965337
Probably a little drone or something, or whatever.
That's episode 4 by the way, episode 5 is World Tour and it kicks ass so far. It got linked in the last thread.

>>8965330
>>8965332
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately, I haven't even started working on height differences, so I can't show a more detailed screenshot.

>>8965337
the alien queen or the chick the aliens were raping?

>>8965337
They said in the intro it was shot by an undercover operative, which I like to headcanon as one of their own soldiers with a halloween costume on

>>8964556
>>8964602
Which also has an effect on self.weaponframe. And the new model I used has 6 frames. So you get an odd effect. But I found some code on how to play six frames in once click. Boy, those damn engrossing technical details.

Map02 of 400 minutes of /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJjKbVHt8lU

>>8965392
>Yes, I'm still mad
Really living up to your namesake

>>8965185
Thanks for the feedback, anon
I'm not all that sure how to handle easier difficulties. So I've kind of been experimenting here with keeping the monsters mostly the same, and instead having extra health and bigger guns on the lower difficulties.

>>8965414
I'll say the hard part for me was surviving the fights rather than having enough ammo to kill everything. In fact I'm pretty sure half the kills were from infighting while I ran for my life

>>8965392
I eagerly await your playthrough of map36.

>>8963650
If looks like there's one more day of Unreal's co-op on Clovr. Just in case if you're still interested:
http://clovr.xyz/U.html

>>8965438
i dont understand clovr ..

>>8965134
I always end up wondering where they nicked the base sprites from, because I don't believe anything is done from scratch in that mod.

If I wanted to get into one of the brutal mods, which is better? Brutal doom or project brutality?

>>8965448
It's just an automated little home server, that's all. There's not much to understand.

>>8965497
Just get both and try them, see which suits you best.

>>8962128
Someone was remaking the entirety of Duke 3d. They were C&D'd.

>>8961307
Any DECORATEfags here? I can't figure out how to add dynamic lights to frames, how do I do it through the gldefs?

I tried the object method:

Object MyWeapon {Frame MYWPA {WeaponLightA}}
pointlight WeaponLightA
{
Color 0.1 0.0 0.0
Size 35
attenuate 1
}

But it doesn't work. The only one that works is A_AttachLightDef("WeaponLightA", "WeaponLightA") but it's a permanent effect and must be removed with A_RemoveLight which really messes up my code. I just want the dynamic light to be attached to the frame itself so when that frame is erased the dynamic light is erased with it.

do you guys like Blood as much as some of the other games in the op?

anyone have any protips for getting Requiem Avenging Angel to run on modern machines in the best way

>>8965497
I prefer PB for the enemy variety and the weapon animations and added features like double jumping and ledge climbing. I really like ledge climbing, I wish more mods did it.

>>8965565
Yeah man, Blood is great.

>>8965565
I like Doom and Quake just a bit more, and mostly because they have more support than the rest.
I otherwise love all three four of the build games equally, and Redneck Rampage is alright.

>>8965559
Good thing you cannot C&D a mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9-JsBAwE6k

>>8965565
Blood is my favourite.
Though I still need to go through Death Wish.

>>8965604
Based TekWar enthusiast.

>played trough half of Mordeth
>wonder why it's so visually bland and boring for something so hyped
>turned out modern ports won't load any resources from the regular version I downloaded from idgames and there is a "fixed" version all this time
Welp.

>>8965609
Mods get those all the time.

>>8961394
terminator future shock

>>8962706
it's not bad at all

>>8962706
Nah it's p good.

>>8965434
>reached map36
Oh fuck off
That was a lot of fun and facerocketing

does anyone know how to make the ssi files from the duke it out in dc disc work for raze? it just crashes for me but on eduke it runs flawlessly. why would someone make a source port for duke nukem that can't even run its expansions???? sounds like a sloppy job

quick question: when you play through maps you haven't played before, do you first do it vanilla or with the gameplay mod of your choice? been becoming more guilty of the latter lately

Heh

>>8965850
I try. There's times where I've wanted to play a certain mod but through new levels. On the flip I've found favorite maps to play vanilla this way.

>>8965850
Whatever gameplay mod I'm in the mood for or seems to be a good fit, anything I want to give feedback or critique on however, I make sure to play in vanilla.

>>8965850
I usually use a Vanilla-ish mod like Dakka, where it's not like a Pillowblaster win the game for you mod but it's not quite dragging it out the way vanilla can feel.

>>8965850
Vanilla pistol start every time

>>8965850
Gameplay mod. High Noon Drifter became the default for a while.

>>8961307
Formerly Nukum

>>8965107
There's not enough games mixing high detail realism with really outlandish and fantastical elements.

It looks like Dead Marine hasn't been updated since 2019. What's the best vanilla+ wad?
Just some nicer looking or nicer sounding guns is good enough.

>>8965902
NLC 7 for STALKER does that nicely imo
and you can actually talk about it here because SoC is just below the new /vr/ cutoff point

>>8965850
At this point, yeah. I just play with mods.

is Chex Quest pretty good, does it have multiplayer, do you guys ever get down on it

>>8966003
It's mostly Doom with a few changes to a couple monsters.

>>8965973
I'm gonna run through Cyb's Freaky Colonoscopy with Past-Linked eventually. Seems fitting.

>>8966069
I'm not sure if I want to know why you think that's fitting.

>>8966080
Just because it's a weird map and C_A is a weird mod. And it kinda makes me think of Lord Jabu Jabu, so there's the Zelda link.

>>8966091
>Inside Lord Jabu Jabu's Backdoor

>>8963656
Take a seat boneheads.

>>8963795
>Xenoblade Chronicles