/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8923907
Better than RF.

As long as it's on a CRT then yeah it's perfectly fine. It was the standard after all.

It’s best, although for some consoles i prefer RF. I wanna say i had RF for DC as well.

>>8923907
For most of what classifies as /vr/ it is. Might want component for a 6th gen

It's perfectly fine on a CRT or for any games that use a lot of dithering, but for games that don't use dithering or consoles that output 480p, you're better off using RGB, component, or VGA.

Of course. It's the best you can get out of a lot of old consoles. If you can use s-video or component you should get the cables for it though; totally worth it.

Playing video games is better than sperging out over graphics.

>>8923907
RF - composite
>whatever
RF- s-video
>hells yes
s-video - rgb
> meh

Not simply fine, but objectively how the developers intended their games to be played.

>>8923929
even better than component?

>>8923907
Composite is the only way to go.

https://discord.gg/XB2Djesn

>>8923942
I'm not making a value judgement. Read the comment again. I'm saying it's objectively how developers intended their games to be played.

>>8923907
No, don't listen to ameritards.

>>8923929
Which developers?

>>8924004
All of them.

For gaming on a CRT, yep. On an upscaler its still fine for 5th gen games, any gens after that you'll want to use component though.

>>8923923
Indeed it is.

>>8924036
*All of the bad ones

>>8923907
no, scart is better
https://youtu.be/BblX93QUvBU
even for saturn. no need for composite
<saturn plugged with scart

>>8924065
You got chinked bro

>>8924004
A handful, but they did some awesome stuff with it.

>>8924129
?

what about PS2 on CRT with composite?

>>8924157
Don't bother. Just go with RGB SCART or component, depending on your region.

>>8923907
Depends on the console. Genesis composite is pretty bad but a lot of games on the system took advantage of that. Gamecube and Dreamcast have the absolute worst composite outputs I've ever seen. Meanwhile, Xbox has the best composite symbol I've seen, almost as good as S-Video.

>>8924157
It’s fine, but s-video is way better.

>>8923929
Only for badly designed systems

>>8923907
It's good at lengths shorter than 6 feet.

>>8923910
this

>tfw bought a $100 composite CRT
bros help me fucking COPE

>>8924456
Why did you spend that much when people still practically give them away

>>8924456
>$100
Let me guess, the ad said "retro gaming" TV?

>SNES Jr 1chip
>RGB modded
>HD retrovision cables
>20" Professional Video Monitor

Am I the only one playing the games how the developers intended people to do so?

>>8924456
cringe

>>8924456
I got my I'art for $30.

>>8924476
Not in this country

>>8923907
yes, and if you use anything of higher quality, you're a faggot and should kys

>>8924542
>tfw when you will never experience dreamcast games in vga

>>8924456
Why the fuck would you spend that much on a CRT? There is no way to cope other than taking your own life anon. Sorry.

>>8924542
Only up to 5th gen

>anons saying anything after 5th gen NEEDS component
I dunno anons, composite with PS2 looks fine to me. The only game that looks awful is Burnout 3, but God Hand looks fine

>>8924575
No, interlaced content on composite looks like ass

>>8923907
I prefer S-Video for anything pre-HD, but composite is perfectly fine.

3rd-4th gen: composite
5th gen: svideo
6th gen: component

>>8924701
this isnt rigid and having a good tv is way more important than signal quality. but seeing an nes on composite on a later sony screen makes me wonder why anyone could want better. but not having component on 480i stuff is extremely painful, more than anything

Honestly after experimenting with RGB, S-Video, SCART, etc I finally came back home, to composite. As developers intended.
Feels good.

>>8924713
TVL has a big impact on how composite looks

>>8924456
If you’re over 25 years old you might actually have brain damage, anon. How big is it?

>>8924728
Also composite cables actually do matter, cheaper ones have much more dot crawl

>>8924737
51cm NEC FS5195
I was in a rush to get one that I didn't realise the issues it has like its warped image.

>>8923910
Sometimes I prefer RF to composite.

>>8924749
Wow, you got ripped off.

>>8924785
I know, I was fucking retarded. I got caught up in the rush and wasn't thinking.

>>8923929
This is correct. Silent Hill is designed to be played over composite, otherwise you miss the grain effect and get a dithering pattern and wrong colors even on S-video. It's worse in component and much worse in RGB.

Final Fantasy IX also looks *WAY* better and smoother over composite, even the text boxes look much better.

5th gen and earlier -> Composite.
6th gen and later -> Component.

>>8924862
so basically, retro: composite
not-retro: component.
Does a PS3 with component look that much better on crt? I use even composite for ps3 as well and it looks nice.

>>8924871
Component was the highest end analog video connection on the console but the PS3 had it for backwards compatibility for the most part. The PS3 and Xbox 360 both had HDMI and that was the beginning of the end for any purpose to use analog video connections on consoles.
At this point, you're really talking about the same arguments with why you want to be using analog video for any modern content which is a hard no over any modern OLED TV unless you value motion clarity and the aesthetics that badly. There's not even an angle about developer intent and what they used to develop the game, CRTs were no longer used in development by the time the seventh generation consoles rolled around, PC monitors overtook and were in widespread use by the early 2000s purely with higher resolution and 16:10 was becoming popular before 16:9 took over.

>>8924950
*PC LCD monitors

>>8923907
Dude it doesn't matter. If you enjoy it, use it.

Can you use progressive mode on sd crt tv?
Or is that only for hd crt tv?

>>8924950
>The PS3 and Xbox 360 both had HDMI and that was the beginning of the end for any purpose to use analog video connections on consoles.
The 360 didn't have HDMI at first, the only HD output you could get out of it was component. I used it all the way until the console shat the bed with RRoD and I got a newer model with HDMI, which I still use to this day.
PS3's component and RGB output is a great way to watch video on CRTs today. You can just stream content via DLNA and don't worry about burning discs or whatever.

>>8923915
>It’s best
lol
Component is better.

>>8924491
Grab a few microbrew ipa's at the barcade after work?

>>8924491
I genuinely don't understand why a large part of the "retro" gaming community does this shit, even using a professional video monitor is fucking cringe. Anything better than a trinitron is just a meme and you might as well use filters

>All these retards spending thousands of dollars for bullshit SCART connectors, console mods, and upscalers
>Tfw I have a CRT TV and just use a composite switch for all of my retro vidya
Looks exactly how I remember the games looking when they came out and that's exactly what I want.

S-video 4 lyfe

>>8925252
Same thing over composite for reference

>>8925049
yes, also VGA monitors and the pretty rare EDTV's

>>8925225
Nothing wrong with using component when it's available, it does offer a much better picture, using good cables is also a good idea. Professional monitors are kinda autism tho and upscalers are cringe but understandable if you don't want to have a dedicated CRT for gaming.

>>8925239
I've had too much of a boner for s-video since using it for the first time in 2017 to go back. I went from composite to HDMI in 2012, so I never realized how much of a legitimate jump in quality s-video was.
I bough a cheapish 14" SSM (Sony security monitor; basically a cheaper PVM) with composite and s-video and I'm probably going to hold onto it for the rest of my life. It's great.
I can totally understand why people don't like the high line count CRTs but it seriously looks great to me.
I have no idea why an American would bother with SCART.

I grew up with composite, composite (and RF switch) were all I knew for video games. In the mid 00's, I got a 480i TV with COMPONENT inputs and bought component cables for my PS2 and the clarity was fucking gorgeous, there's a huge different. Composite is fuzzy, you'll see it especially around text and HUD elements. Component is crystal clear, no fuzzyness whatsoever.

Composite "works" but component is superior.

>>8925440
Every TV I've owned with S-Video has also had component so I've had no reason to settle for S-Video for consoles that were capable of both. I got an RGB to YPbPr transcoder a few years ago once I saw they weren't that expensive since I wanted the best quality out of RGB-only consoles too, and it uses SCART input because that's the most common for RGB.
That is why, as an American, I bother with SCART.

>>8925201
Unironically yeah.

>>8925615
That's exactly what I was thinking. Doesn't sound like a bad time at all.

>>8925239
You just care about nostalgia?

>>8923929
>but objectively how the developers intended their games to be played.
Then why did they allow for the games to be played with various display options/cables for their time.
Check. Fuckin'. Mate.

>>8923907
It’s ok but it’s no SCART.
Also it’s no HDMI plus emulation. That’s where the real quality is at.

>>8925801
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>emulation

>>8923907
That's a damn fine looking composite cable

>>8923907
yes, its prefered for sega genesis

Are the people on the CRT general just massive autists then when they say composite is literally unusable?

>>8926003
it depends on the system
and the type of crt

if you have more lines, you're gonna want a better signal (pc monitors etc)

>>8923907
Only if and when it outputs 240p

>>8925260
>>8925252
Saturn or RA?

>>8926025
I'm not them but Saturn.

>>8924862
I finished Sh1 for the first time on ps2 via component last year and noticed to much dithering. Im gonna try over composit sometime. N64 over S-video is fine though, colors become real nice and fonts much esier to read.

>playing some edgy 2000s kino on a CRT in a dark room
THE KINO AND SOUL

>>8923907
NTSC composite: No
PAL composite: Yes

>>8926068
PAL60 is based

cope-a-shit

>>8926160
is this english

>>8926003
The idea of composite being unusable is just autism. Maybe trying to play a late-gen PS3 or 360 game at 480i over composite is a bad idea, but for anything retro so long as it's not fucking RF you're good.

I will say though there's no reason to willingly ignore better video options for your system when they're available. Like you can meme about silent hill composite dithering all you want but sony released an S-video cable for the system and every other game looks better with it, so I'm gonna use it.

>>8926193
it's american

>>8923910
yeah, I couldn't believe how stable the picture became after we jerry rigged some composite cables to my C64. Night and day difference after always using RF. This was back in the 90s mind you.

>>8923907
if you don't care about picture quality or it is the best you've got then who cares
but they don't call it composhit for nothing

>>8923907
It should be more than enough.

>>8926642
-if nostalgia is all you care about

Only an American would defend something that's shit despite better options existing and being readily available.

>>8925769
I care about playing video games. You care about jerking off to how sharp your pixels are.

>>8923907
try euroconector

>composite is objectively how the developers intend-

>>8926826
You don't care about seeing the right colors and seeing things clearly?

>>8925182
I don't disagree that you can repurpose them for analog content because of legacy port support but when we're talking about content on those consoles themselves, I disagree that using analog is the way to go when CRTs aren't anywhere near involved with any of the production and content consumption pipeline except for the endpoint as a consumer where you have an option, even for the first games on the console.

Composite became unacceptable as soon as Gamecube launched in 2000. It was so stupid of Nintendo not to market component cables.

>>8927070
*2001

>>8927048
Well, yeah, there's no denying that everything from the 7th gen onward is made to be displayed on modern panels. So there's no point keeping analog video output in newer hardware. Some people say that the 7th gen looks good on a HD CRT, but I've never seen one except for one model in a store 17 years ago I think, so I can't confirm that.
Now, what I don't like about the HDMI-zation of everything is that audio outputs are being omitted more and more lately. Devices like UHDBD players don't even have a simple 2.0 analog output, hell, not even an optical out to connect a DAC on most models. You have to run everything through your TV or a modern AVR with HDMI and pray that it all works, because things like HDMI ARC are buggy af and rarely work properly.

>>8927205
There, it's more or less that HDMI has the capability and saving costs is worth it omission when not that many people are using it. The AVR is really your only option, and you would have to be prepared for many firmware updates on it until it gets to where it needs to be.

>>8927205
>because things like HDMI ARC are buggy af and rarely work properly
It's extremely annoying how shit that is

>>8924271
I got my Genesis modded for s-video eons ago, it makes a lot of games look great but sometimes not

>>8926826
>thinks hes a chad for playing games the worst way possible
I call that retardation

>>8926981
>seeing the right colors
This is wrong, most games colours are designed for composite, you’ll see it in colours lie blues and browns
When you use RGB browns will look red

>>8925802
deal with it^^

>>8927976
>/vr/gin loud and proud

On a small crt its perfectly fine
On a big one it looks dogshit and you need at least an svideo cable

Is component only worth it on a larger screen? I'm using a small-ish SD CRT right now and composite feels fine.

>>8927952
>This is wrong, most games colours are designed for composite
proof

>>8924152
mogged

>>8924701
Yep.

>>8928113
You only have to look at super Mario bros on NES
Why do you think there are so many colour palette options

>>8927976
>^^
Take me BACK, dammit!

>>8928030
>Is component only worth it on a larger screen?
For CRTs or flatscreens?
Either way I'd say no.
I have this fucking pic. related monster I got for $50 at the time and while Progressive Scan does look nice and crisp depending on the games that support it (especially PS1 vidya on PS3 using component and Sonic Riders looks real nice), but the TV itself is a hassle by virtue of being 200+lbs. They're also a gamble depending on how old and how well kept they are (warped upper corners of the screen, a faint, thin, black horizontal line across the screen and some color bleeding/poor color focus(?) in the upper right corner of the screen with mine).

Something like a 27'' - 28'' Sony Wega the picture looks good even if it only supports 480i, while the 32'' can do 480p. While I've never seen the latter in person, I'm sure it'd look just as good as it would on pic. related. If you have the expendable income then go for it, otherwise you're going to have a hard time finding one below triple or even quadruple digits or even free.

>>8926981
I'm seeing the colors correctly and I've never had problems making out things on the TV while playing games. Maybe you should get your eyes checked.

>>8927445
I'm playing games how they were commonly played when they were released. You call it the "worst way" while I'm busy actually playing video games.

If anything is retardation it's needlessly spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on console mods, upscalers, and cables just so you can look at the same arrangements of squares that I'm looking at.

If you want, I've got an NFT I can sell you. It's the same thing anyone else in the world can easily see but you'll get to feel like a special little boy if you buy it.

>>8928980
That's cool, lil' ZoomZoom. Run along, now.

>>8929006
What are you talking about?

it still amazes me that if you bought an xbox 360 or ps3 in 2013 they still came with composite inputs

>>8928249
So Nintendo not caring about RGB out of greedyness means EVERYTHING ELSE was meant composite? Especially >>8926981
?

>>8928980
>I'm seeing the colors correctly
No, your seeing NTSC colors, correct colors would be RGB, a good standard thats supported universally and shows the exact right coloring on any display.

>>8929064
composite and RF are always given because it's what everyone almost surely can connect to their tvs, that's the only reason

>>8929157
>So Nintendo not caring about RGB out of greedyness means EVERYTHING ELSE was meant composite?
yes
having the option for clearer picture still affects the colours, it also had a full screen covered dithering pattern
even talking about 7th gen consoles had limited and full colour space that affected colours and black levels

>>8926025
It's real hardware

>>8929064
Yeah same. I bought a super slim 360 whenever that came out and I was surprised it didn't come with an HDMI cable. I didn't have one free so I had to play on the thing using composite for a little while which was dumb as hell.

I later bought a WiiU and was pleasantly surprised that Nintendo actually packed in an HDMI cable with it.

>>8928249
NES generates color directly in the composite domain, unlike most other consoles which generate RGB and convert it to composite.

>>8929064
no, they came with composite output.

>>8929557
And yet RGB still produces reds instead of browns

>>8929917
woosh

>>8929923
Is that the gas escaping from your gaping anus?
Majority of systems are made with a composite colour space in mind

>>8929963
Tell that to the arcades

>>8929975
The arcades are not consoles, I was specifically talking about consoles up to 5th gen, I won’t argue to arcade games which have their own quirks on a per system basis

>>8929975

>>8925049
No. Standard Definition is 480i only. 480p is rare, only found in EDTVs and HDTVs.

>>8930216
I have no idea what that means

>>8930654
If I thought there was any chance you would I wouldn't have posted it. Its sole purpose is to demonstrate to you that you don't understand what your talking about.

>>8930960
Ah no no, I won't fall for that psychological trick

>>8924000
What about games with progressive scan?

>>8931114
I prefer games with conservative scan

>>8931124

>>8931124
based

>>8931124

just use the best that your console and display support, better picture is nice but no need to be autistic about it

>>8923907
I remember I only plugged white and yellow for my N64 to work, what did I miss by not having a slot for the red one?

>>8931961
Please tell me you're trolling.

>>8931992
nope :D

>>8924456
I would do the same in the right situation

t. long-time CRT autist who has owned a lot of fancy shit but knows composite is still based

>>8931961
stereo sound

>>8931961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzG8Sty9veI

>>8931107
No one tricked you into talking about something you don't understand. Except maybe yourself.

>>8932102
You're trying to trick me in giving away something, it won't work.

>>8932471
You already gave away that you don't know what you're talking about. Now you've given away that you're a coping underage. Neither of these were the secrets you think they are, chuckle fuck.

>>8931961
Supremely audiocucked.

>>8925225
PVMs are Trinitions.
People use PVMs and the like because they're the highest-quality zero-lag option.
I always wanted my consoles to look as sharp as computer games did on computer monitors and with a PVM and RGB cables, they do.
I only have a PVM because I got a busted one for cheap and fixed it. I wouldn't pay the exorbitant amount they tend to go for either, but your post reads like sour grapes.
Maybe you're genuinely happy with composite and that's fine, but if higher-quality options exist, you can't blame people for wanting to take advantage of them.
I personally don't give a fuck if it doesn't look like my childhood TV set. My childhood TV set sucked dick and I would have rather played my consoles on a computer monitor with razor-sharp RGB, if I had had the know-how and equipment.

>>8923907
Even for gamecapture, composite is fine. Some major Youtubers still use it, and the viewers don't give a fuck unless they're autistic. Sound Design is so much more important than video quality.

>>8933864
>audio design is more important than video in VIDEO games

It's all the had until 2009, I survived.

Don't sweat the small stuff OP

>>8933918
If you can make out what the player is DOING, it's fine. 99% of watchers don't give a shit about composite dithering, colour-drain, and noise. Personality and writing are KING.

>>8923907
Yeah, people just been spoiled by other shit in recent years.

>>8933990
>99% of people are shiteaters so you shouldn't care either

composite video for pre 7th gen games is soul

I wondering if you Americans would keep coping with composite if RCA didn't deliberately keep scart from ever gaining foot in America

>>8934180
Pre 6th gen
There is no benefit in using composite with interlaced video signals

>>8933918
Audio is 50% of the Audio Video experience

>>8923907
Since the tranny jannies killed my thread, you know what the best option is.

>>8934445
>i bet things would be different for you americans if things were different
I dunno would they? Maybe you should put that free education to some use.

>>8935383
I think it was a gay thread, but why did they got oofended?

>>8934445
Things really would be different if they were different, eurobro. You're so right.

>>8935407
"Zoomers just don't understand" is a /v/-tier thread template.

>>8935430
got it

>>8926003
Yes.

>t. considering getting rid of my 32" Panasonic w/component input for a 27" Sylvania composite only model