/vr/ - Retro Games

No one wants to talk about some crawling in dungeons

>>8922185
Hexen even with it's cryptic nature is still fun to play to this day, it helps that it's more arcadey than a rpg game.

Lands of Lore: Guardians of Destiny is the most underrated game of all time.

>>8922185
Give me some easy to get into Dungeon Crawlers that aren't super hard but atmospheric.

Any suggestions for English friendly pc engine games? I'm kinda stuck in a loop of playing only games im familiar with. Kinda only know a few non retro crawlers as it is, despite thinking they are great fun.

>>8922895
Dungeon Master 2

For me, it's King's Field.

>>8922895
Might and Magic 4

Shining in the Darkness. I almost managed to beat the game, but PSP's buggy ass emulator broke game's trigger points that prevented me from continuing the game.

>>8922895
Legend of Grimrock 2, Not retro.

>>8923159
that game is neat but man do I wish it had an in game map

>>8923204
Now wait for mapdrawing fags to swarm you.
Fuck drawing maps, it totally breaks the immersion for me.

I play games for 27years now and for some reason I never played a dungeon crawler.

>>8923226
Go play one right now

>>8923204
>>8923215
Not necessary. The game has a spell that shows you the map of the current floor.

>>8922883
This gets my vote. Most "RPG" gameplay totally sucks ass, even if I prefer the themes and progression systems. Action games with RPG themes are the best. Love the pacing of Hexen.

>>8923291
Hexen is fucking garbage and you're an idiot. You've solved 3/16ths of a switch puzzle btw.

Why do you love them, OP?

>>8923268
>The game has a spell that shows you the map of the current floor.
Yeah, it's quite useless and costs mana. It should be just a free ability, not a special skill.

>>8923268
yeah but how late do you get it and how much mana does it cost. what if you run out of mana

>>8923159
I love it. Shining in the Darkness and Shining the Holy Ark are my favorite dungeon crawlers. Also like Phantasy Star and the original Shin Megami Tensei.
>>8922895
In general, I find the Japanese ones easier to get into

>>8922185
Currently playing through Megami Tensei 2. Love the soundtrack and most of the dungeons, but I just got through the turtle dungeon and it made me want to tear my hair out.
Thank god I drew a map even though I fucked it up

>>8923416
Fun to play. Easy to play while watching movies or reading a book. Satisfying to fill out dungeons and get more levels.

>>8922185
I just started Dark Cloud 2

Any might and magics. They're all fun. Wizardry 6,7,8. Etrian games, dark spire on DS, Anvil of dawn! Have fun my dude. These are great games.

>>8923215
Having a map on the screen breaks immersion. If maps should be present at all, they should be in the inventory, as is done in Pokemon.

>>8923196
is grimrock 2 as good as 1?

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>>8923972
I think it's much better, despite having a few cryptic puzzles. I played 2 first, and only after finishing it, started trying 1. And I was not be able to play it, because 2 has all of this plus much more.

>>8923918
At least it's IN the game you're playing, not outside of the screen.

>>8923972
Also, Grimrock gave birth to so many copycats. The only one that I liked was Vaporum.

>>8923475
There is an item to avoid ground damage. You can get it by trading a gem or another. Protip: gems found in rooms respawn after you got rid of it.

I uploaded tons of maps of the game on /vr/ if you search the archive you should find them, though the turtle one is one of the few I didn't fully map out.

>>8923307
I genuinely don't understand how /vr/ loves Hexen and Heretic, maybe its a generational thing but these games are just legit shit

>>8924375
>Protip: gems found in rooms respawn after you got rid of it.
I had a couple of core shields already, but this is really good to know. I was being really stingy with them because I didn't know how to get more gems. Thanks anon!
I'm trying to draw out all of my own maps since it's my first time through the game, but I'll definitely keep your maps in mind in case I get stuck.

>>8924383
I think Wolfenstein 3D doesn't get nearly enough love on /vr/.

>grid-based level design like the oldschool blobbers that Carmack enjoyed in his youth
>treasures and secrets around every corner
>cool music
>fun speed meta if you're into that
>killin' natsies

somebody on github ported Ambermoon to modern computers. looks cool, havent had a chance to poke at it much yet.

https://github.com/Pyrdacor/Ambermoon.net

>>8922185
I kept trying to get into Wizardy 7 but that game shit on my face within the first 30 minutes every time and I was really trying too.

>>8924383
The first time I played Hexen was for the N64, and it just had a certain bleak but subdued atmosphere that other shooters didn't. Might also be why I'm a huge fan of Doom 64 - a similar feeling.

>>8923845
Same dude, though I'm at the second area (or third, depebding how you look at the starting city)
I love all the things to do in this game. Some nights I boot it up and just take pictures of people, or go fishing, or rearrange things in the town a little bit. Sometimes I grind swords, and sometimes I go full plot.
Love how the dungeon has challenges. I always try and beat the challenge medal for a level on my first try. Makes it fun, that way I get to use items sometime, and work on the weapons for the other characters.

Loved Dark Cloud 1, but this one definitely fixed the problem with grindy dungeons, I'd say. Now I actually want to spend time grinding in dungeons, working on my weapons.

>>8924383
Heretic's a decent little doomclone, certainly not AS good as doom but it's okay fun. Hexen is actual trash though. The weapons are fun enough but playing the game is living 2/16 switches hell. I think people who think hexen is "okay" only played the first hub and thought that was enough.

>>8922895
Shin Megami Tensei 1

>>8923215
>it totally breaks the immersion for me.
>Actually having to do the thing the game is doing is less immersive than extra huds and windows
You're a retard.

>>8924002
I do wish more of these more obscure falcom games where more readily playable

>>8926002
Are you legit autistic? People are playing the game through the screen. When you are supposed to do something in real life, it's not immersive at all.

>>8926021
If all you do is LOOK at the screen then you're not IMMERSED. Immersion is about making you feel like you're in the game. You just want to be lazy and stupid.

>>8926029
>Immersion is about making you feel like you're in the game
When I do something outside of the screen, I start thinking about other stuff in the room or whatever plans I have for today. Not good for the immersion.

>>8926034
That's because you have ADD

>>8926041
You have autism.

>>8924383
Heretic is shit, it's just a reskinned Doom.
Hexen is a much better/deeper game + it looks gorgeous.

>>8923204
if you want a map then play Shining the holy ark, it's great

>>8926264
i'll shine in your holy ark

any dungeon crawlers that don't have a medieval setting?

>>8927645
Outside of big series like early SMT/Persona? I think there's that Kowloon High School game I saw advertised on social media when it got a switch release but I never tried it. Probably a bunch jrpg crawlers out there like Phantasy Star 1 bit again, haven't tried a lot of them and there's the point of finding translations depending on how beyond surface level you want to go.

What are some good dungeon mapping programs? I saw that other thread a few days ago but forgot the names of the programs

>>8927645
Phantasy Star

>>8927645

There are quite a few sci-fi dungeon crawlers, especially on Amiga.

>Space Hulk (DOS/Amiga)
>Hired Guns (DOS/Amiga/Atari ST)
>Captive (Amiga)
>Whale's Voyage 1 & 2 (Amiga) [sorta space sim/dungeon crawler hybrids]
>Perhelion: The Prophecy (Amiga) [dungeon crawler that switches to top-down strategy during combat]
>Federation Quest 1: B.S.S. Jane Seymour (Amiga)

There's also a few horror games that skew towards dungeon crawling.

>Don't Go Alone (DOS)
>The Legacy: Realm of Terror (DOS) [dungeon crawl/FPS hybrid]
>Elvira: Mistress of the Dark, Elvira II: The Jaws of Cerberus, and Waxworks (DOS/Amiga/etc) [dungeon crawl/adventure hybrids]

>>8927645
Operatiion Babel and Operation Abyss on the Vita/PC. Vita has a really solid selection of crawlers, that fact is actually what made me buy the system. I know there are more but I can not remember them off the top of my head, I'll post them later if the thread is alive and I look at my Vita home screen.

>>8927847
Grid Cartographer

>>8927645
Albion is only _partially_ medieval; there's also a shitload of alien jungle and bio-city in there too.

>>8922185
For me it's nethack

Why yes, I do enjoy crawling dungeons.

>>8922185
Any dungeon crawlers with a good story?

>>8927645
Might and Magic

>>8927847
just use excel

>>8927847
nothing beats pencil and graph paper.

>>8928039
Vita is great for crawlers, especially crawlers with fanservice.

>>8929369
is there a good way to emulate vita. i'm not buyinga vita

>>8929429
You should buy a vita. CFW is amazing.

>>8929545
how cheap are they nowadays?

I dunno if PSP counts for the board but I'm annoyed that class of heroes got switch port but it never left japan.
Anyway, if you google DRPG List (3DダンジョンRPG List) - you may find handy DRPG excel list in google docs. link is accused of spam and I can't really bother to figure out how to screw with it to be able to post it.

>>8930213
The Japanese really love some crawling, huh. I've beaten one of the Class of Heroes, but I felt like it was a rushed and unfinished game.

>>8930242
>The Japanese really love some crawling, huh.
It saw a resurgence due to Etrian Odyssey but unfortunately very, very few developers have bothered to attempt to improve on it and a vast majority of dungeon crawlers coming out of Japan are just watered down EO. Just goes to show how much that series got right.

I want to play Eye of the Beholder 2, but there is no map in the game. What should I do?

>>8930884
GameFAQs doesn't have maps for that game, but it does have walkthroughs. Use one of them to avoid getting completely lost.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/564792-eye-of-the-beholder-ii-the-legend-of-darkmoon/faqs/50919

>>8930884
Make a map

>>8930971
Hate that shit.

>>8930982
t. Can't use a pen

>>8930984
Drawing physical maps in video games is the most retarded thing ever. It's fucking abysmal.

>>8931008
Being unable to draw a square is more retarded. Lazy fuck.

>>8931013
I must apologize, I was wrong. Advocating drawing physical maps in video games is the most retarded thing ever.
Don't reply to me ever again.

>>8931008
t. Wasn't alive before 1990

>>8931019
On a serious note, do you not do any form of note taking or visualising on paper when working on anything?

>>8931027
Working is not gaming. Plus I often play in a dim room in a bed. I drew maps for La-Mulana, La-Mulana 2 and Shining in the Darkness while playing them. I had the worst time of my fucking life.

>>8922185
why is she staring at me?

>>8931345
She knows your sins

Plenty of legit good eroge Dungeon Crawlers.
>>8929429
Most of the Vita crawlers are on PC now like Demon Gaze, Stranger of Sword City and Operation Abyss.
>>8930213
>>8930242
Play Wizardry Empire, by the same devs.

>>8931359
how do I repent?

>>8931292
How sad a life do you lead?

What would be a good dungeon crawler for Game Center CX to challenge?

>>8929050
https://archive.org/details/rothdam-fan-translation-english

>>8931783
Arcana AKA Card Master Rimusaria no Fuuin. It even has TEEFA and great music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szS_1Vp5BiI

>>8931812
Would the PC-Engine CD versions of Madou Monogatari make for good episodes?

>>8931817
Sure if you have the courage.

>>8931562
Wat.

>>8931812
I tried playing this on a flight to kill some time and it was very unforgiving. My party would be near-death after 10 encounters (which happen every 10 steps), but you need like 40 encounters' worth of money to heal fully, not to mention you have to backtrack all the way back to home (unless you spend your scarce money on an escape rope or whatever they're called). I was expecting babby's first dungeon crawler since it had a cute card theme and since Hal made it.

>>8930186
Uhm, not very. Vita is kinda expensive, I got lucky at a pawn shop years back. Games are high too so it may not be worth the money, cool machine with lots of fun games.

>>8932504
I remember it being difficult too. I think they removed healing items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-j35wp_uFE

>>8924450
The best part is, mods now ban you on sight.

>nobody's posted KF yet
for shame

>>8922185
I only played Shining in the Darkness, and fuck me it was boring. I've finished about 1/4th of the game before the novelty of drawing my own map wore off
Honestly, I don't know how you all do it

>>8934323
Shining in the Darkness sucks ass play a better game

>>8923824
>playing a game while reading a book
wat? what kind of books do you read while playing, anon? how? i’m

>>8929369
Yeah, it's great. I need to grab the Jap only crawlers, even if I am sadly an EoP.
>>8930186
You can buy a Jap Vita off ebay for under $200, they are usually in great condition as well. Memory cards are costly still, but if you use CFW you can always use SD to Vita and get around that issue.
>>8930213
Makes me glad that I bought the physical versions of CoH 1 and 2 for PSP and PS2 respectively.

>>8922185

Diablo 1 & 2

>>8922887
>Lands of Lore: Guardians of Destiny
ive played the first game and loved it. i took a look at the 2nd game and thought it just looked too goofy. am i really missing out?

>>8935903
Depends on what you want out of a game, but for me, Guardians of Destiny has this magical quality in the amount of effort on both a surface/design level (graphics, sound design, FMV's, etc) as well as an adventure level (large distinct levels that are entirely optional, secret weapons some of which have secret upgrades, hub-like regions, and there's a flag system so some NPCs and plot points change depending on earlier decisions, etc). I never played Symphony of the Night until the mid 00s, but when I did I realized it Guardians of Destiny probably took after it with all the lovely little things that decorate it and collectively make a bare-bones action-RPG experience into something worth revisiting repeatedly. There are SotN "Confessional Booth" type moments and then some, I'll just say.

The accessibility barrier is a bit high: the GOG version uses the DOS version which is uglier and laggier than the native Windows version (runs on 95/98/2000/XP but nothing newer), there's a retarded gameplay mechanic involving a curse where you randomly transform into either a lizard (who is great at navigation and magic and is honestly probably better than the human form) or a beast (who is terrible at both and will force you to take piss breaks in certain levels while waiting to untransform) which takes time to learn the counter-curse, and there are a couple of obtuse puzzles and even opportunities to brick your game (protip: hold onto ivory chips for life; in the early game you can rapidly equip and unequip them for instant minor mana recovery, and in the late game they will let you bypass one of those potential brick-moments). Despite the flaws it feels so much more adventurous and sovlful than stuff like Wizardry and King's Field to me, even though it is admittedly so simplified that it sometimes comes closer to first-person point-and-click adventure than RPG.

>>8923468
Genuine question, why is shining holy ark your favorite dungeon crawler? it does a bunch of things adequately, it looks ok, it has charm, the character building is mostly braindead, the level design isn't that interesting. I did a full playthrough of the game and thought it was ok.

What makes people consider it their favorite? i genuinely dont understand, there are prettier, more charming, more deep dungeon crawlers out there.

>>8928780
Albion had a cool premise but it kicked my ass. Got a modern native windows port I think

>>8931361
Rance 3 was decent. I played 1-3 and lost interest with 4.

>>8932504
I didn't enjoy it all that much and also felt that it was very punishing, but yeah the music is something else.