/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8901518
>obligatory false-info poorfag shitpost trying to derail the thread before it starts lel >;^]

>>8901518
also lightgun supported on modern screens

as of this week
b a s e d

>>8901521
No thanks, I want a system that can emulate the Nintendo 64, PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast and Xbox.

>>8901518
Got my aliexpress mister kits yesterday and built them both.
The case was a pain in the ass and so was the noctua fan, but I have it all running now
Playing that PS1 core was amazing, can't fucking wait until Saturn

>>8901534
i thought xbox emulation was shit-tier still?

i want my japan exlusive shmups ;_;
i still have original hardware for this and steel battalion

>>8901549
cost and time it took to arrive??
details faggot de-10 is rare now

>>8901560
Xbox emulation is still pretty far behind all other /vr/ systems, but I'll take what I can get.

>>8901562
it only cost $750 & took 8 weeks to arrive h-h-hehe

i almost reversed the charges h-h-hehe

>>8901534
Sucks to be you then.

>>8901518
cool raspberry pi case

>>8901518
If this ever comes out it will make the Analogue Pocket obsolete.

>>8901741
kek

you could make this yourself
mister will take any usb controller

i originally was going to stuff mine into a c64 usb keyboard

>>8901751
It's only a prototype, the final will hopefully be better. They said they would make a dock too.

And I'm sure some people could make a good mister handheld themselves, but I don't have the equipment or knowledge to do that.

>>8901534
This. If we could get one that could emulate the PS2 perfectly I'd buy one.

>>8901560
It's been making alot of progress in the past few years. Not good enough yet but I'm more hopeful. Same with X360.

>>8901776
usb and some buttons are all you need
i repurpose many usb shitmon controllers to be other things

>>8901808
Also a screen and a case. I would also need to buy a 3d printer, or commission a case. It would be a lot of effort to produce something much worse than a professional could make. For some people it would make sense to make a DIY handheld, but not for most people.

>>8901594
not me
>>8901562
$450 each with ali sale and coupons
took about 20 days
came with everything, but you need to sand down the RTC board connector so it doesn't break the plastic shroud on the DE10, the tolerances on the case kinda suck so there's a lot of bending involved, and there's no power switch on you have to unplug.
Apparently that's a good thing though because a lot of the available in-line power switches have voltage drop issues so it can fuck up your de10.
I might get a 3rd one if supply issues continue as they are.

>>8901794
>This. If we could get one that could emulate the PS2 perfectly I'd buy one.
>emotion engine in FPGA
Maybe around 2050 or so
Meanwhile you could have bought PS2s when they were cheap.

>>8901858
I already own a modded PS2. Our point is that these things have no use until they can emulate a PS3 or 360.

>>8901876
Modded PS2 kinda sucks. I'd settle for an ODE first of all.

>>8901884
Maybe if you own a slim. A ps2 using FreeHDBoot is kino.

>>8901903
That's my preferred PS2 as well. I still wish compatibility were better and that it required less configuration.

Has anyone ever done an input lag comparison of original hardware vs. mister vs. PC emulation vs. handheld/pie emulation?

>>8901915
The compatibility is perfect.

>>8901934
no but i have tested it myself
as you should - never trust (((content creators)))


do a playtest and see if you can feel the difference - protip: you can hence the misterfpga spergposters and flamewars from the grapeless

>>8901876
>emulate
>FPGA
Fuck off retard

>>8901518
mister cartridge adapters when

>>8901903
>A ps2 using FreeHDBoot is kino.
loading roms on them is cancer though. i'm thinking of replacing mine with an ode just because its drag and drop iso support

>>8901974
its still emulation kek

>>8902009
shhhhhh let them think it's some kind of gamer sorcery

>>8901903
>>8901943
>A ps2 using FreeHDBoot is kino.
OPL still has many issues, Klonoa 2 for example
It's no longer a big deal for me with mecapwn, since I can just burn the few games that OPL doesn't work well with, as well as PS1 games, but a proper PS2 ODE is still the goal.
Sly 1, Klonoa 2, Ace Combat 5 (although specific versions of OPL let you finish the game with just chopy FMVs even on phats with an HDD), and several other games have significant OPL problems.
I just don't want to need to deal with the shitty PS2 laser even though I have a few lasers hoarded.
Now that the mister has a proper PS1 core I don't really care about the PS2's backward compat other than using my smallish collection of official and burned games.
I also have 3 PS1s that I was planning on installing Xstations in, but it doesn't seem worth the investment anymore.
>>8901998
As soon as loading individual games from USB is possible. Would be cool to use a USB CD reader for CD based cores, especially for games like monster rancher or vib ribbon

>>8902037
Sly 1 on OPL is stable, but you have to mess around with a couple of settings before you even create a save file. If not, it triggers the Anti-Piracy measures, and you won't be able to grab clue bottles, grab ropes/ladders to climb, or use your cane to grab hooks.

>>8901527
Really? How?

>>8901518
>doesn't support Saturn
>doesn't support accurate PS1
>doesn't support very basic Arcade hardware like Sega System 32 or the ZN-2
TL;DR: the mister is a waste of $500 for trannies to emulate pac-man and Genesis games
>yfw

>>8901998
this already works anon
you can use the carts and ports on polymega on mister

why you would, i have no idea, but technically you can

>>8902103
not sure
i dont have the quickrundown yet

>>8902121
Trolling like this only works if its subtle.

I was using Duckstation + wired DS4, performance was really good at 1440p. But after I tried the psx core on MISTer yesterday... I feel like there is a bit less lag making everything a bit more responsive, I'm using the Hori fighting commander by the way (ps4), plan to change it cause some games support rumbles and the controller doesn't have it.

>>8902121
plot twist: everything is nearly perfect on that list BESIDES genesis over composite /s-video kek

maybe it IS ironic

>>8902132
It's not a troll, it's sincere. Why spend $500 to emulate Earthbound and other 16-bit games when you can buy a flash cart for a tenth of that price?
>b-b-b-but muh arcade games
Your emulation box doesn't even support the most interesting arcade hardware. It supports what? Pac-Man and Street Fighter 2? You can do more with a Pi and can even use it on a CRT with Pi2Scart or native composite video, meaning that you can also stream 4:3 content via Plex if you wanted.
When it comes down to it, you wasted a chunk of money on a completely useless piece of hardware that was obsolete before it was even incepted.

This is so cool, he made a custom PVM cabinet inspired from real one, put the ipad screen in it and the result is lovely.

https://youtu.be/4ofF2hIW47U?t=379

>>8902140
Post the link to the Sega System 32 core or the ZN-2 core.

>>8902145
That's better. You need to mix in seemingly reasonable criticism with the idiotic stuff, all idiocy and it won't trick anyone.

>>8902149
32x just dropped dumbass
spectrum shit has been out since the MiST project

>>8902179
The Sega System 32 isn't the same thing as the 32x. And the Sony ZN-2 has nothing to do with the Spectrum. Please educate yourself, zoom zoom.
http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=709

>>8902145
comparing the mister to the pi
you lost me


the rasbettypi is almost as bad as all the posters recommending it constantly
>laggy controls
>glitchy audio
>improper scaling
>even shittier Ui than emulators on pc
>overheats running dodonpachi

>>8902182
youre the one asking for cores that dont exist

>>8902186
For it's price the Pi is great. But there are much better options if you have a modest budget.

>>8902186
What games are you playing the mister that haven't been perfected by software emulation?

>>8902103
https://youtu.be/FHNTIk5qqpQ

>>8902191
That's my point. Extremely basic hardware isn't available on the mister. PCs could emulate them perfectly for decades.

>>8902195
>any vintage computer core say hi

>>8902203
What vintage computer games are you playing on the mister that you can't play on a PC?
I'd like to know the exact titles in case I want to buy a mister for these great computer games that are apparently unable to be emulated on a PC.

>>8902207
its not that you cant "just emulate lel"

the mister lets you simulate the hardware & have it behave like the real thing
if you tried one for yourself instead of being a contrarian refusing to spend $150 on a de-10 you would know what the fuck you were talking about - and join the horde of misterfags constantly defending these threads

>>8902210
So what games am I missing out on? Like what gamed in particular are you playing on the mister that I can't?

>>8902193
the pi is being scalped to all hell and back

its far from "great" even at msrp for a pi3

>>8902214
sharp x68000

>>8902234
That's not a game. I asked for specific game titles. Try again

>>8902241
anon that is thousands of titles on the most expensive piece of hardware that the mister can produce (faithfully)


stop moving the goalposts like a faggot and admit it, the mister is neat

>>8902249
There isn't a single game that you, anon, are personally playing on the mister that I cannot accurately play on my PC.
>implying you even play the games and not just scroll through your soulless list of thousands of titles

>>8902254
show us your screenshot of your x68000 emulator anon


does it load discs? does it simulate the hardware? 1:1? faithfully?

>>8902249
Okay, but which of them can't you emulate as well without a MiSTer? I don't have a dog in this fight yet but it shouldn't be hard to answer.

>>8902254
show us what other vintage computers you have been messing around with for fun


youre a computer enthusiast right? a big pc guy? huh?!

>>8902263
ANY of them over composite/240p
dont say the pi, it runs like ass

>>8902260
>>8902269
As soon as you tell me what x68000 games you're playing that makes the $500 investment worth it.

>>8902278
its not $500
you dont buy earthbound at the scalper price why would you buy a de-10 like that?

look at the cost for neogeo, cps1(2), and even bally astrocade hardware with controllers

the mister is a great deal

There's an anon in this thread who is, really, really attached to playing games on his stepdad's office equipment.

>>8902273
My PC outputs 240p and 480i just fine.
>dont say the pi, it runs like ass
On platforms for which MiSTer cores don't exist, maybe.

>>8902289
>its not $500
You're right, it's not $500. Someone else in this thread paid $750 dollars, so that seems more accurate these days >>8901594
>you dont buy earthbound at the scalper price why would you buy a de-10 like that?
I don't need to buy earthbound at a scalper price because I'm not a zoomer. I've owned the game since I was 10.
>the mister is a great deal
Okay, then prove it to me. What games are you personally playing on your mister that I cannot currently play. You keep dodging this question for some reason. Just tell me what x68000 games you're playing that makes the $750 investment worth it

>>8902309
Yes, the anon giving a ridiculous price while literally saying "hehe' was surely telling the truth.

>>8902309
i never said to spend $700+
stop moving the goalposts lol
you can order a de-10 from the official site and have it in the mail before the end of june

>>8902309
plenty more
the x68K is what many devs used to create your favorite games in the 90s

>>8902345
>>8902352
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but you don't need to drop $750 on a mister to play River City Ransom and Space Harrier

>>8902298
>My PC outputs 240p and 480i just fine

show the GPU
show us your setup

>>8902357
youre right >;^]
you can pay msrp for a de-10 instead

>>8902309
>I don't need to buy earthbound at a scalper price because I'm not a zoomer. I've owned the game since I was 10.
Congratulations for buying it on the Switch when you were 10.

>>8902361
From where? You mean the permanently sold-out $210 boards on misteraddons.com? If you want to buy a Terasic DE10-Nano board by itself without all the other accessories, you have to spend at least $450 through a scalper.

>>8902374
>hehehe I'm not a zoomer, you're the one who is a zoomer
retard

>>8902379
you can buy one on their website
from terasic directly / just dont try to pretend to be a student if you arent one - they will cancel your order

>>8902309
post earthbound
post your gpu/pc setup that does 240p but still emulates perfectly
& does x68000 games kek


get a life

>>8901957
so what were the actual results then?

>>8902408
i posted screengrabs in another thread
i was comparing video-output quality

model 1 genesis, vs model 2, vs model2 with 32x, vs hyperkins clone system
+emulation/mister/pi3


they all look like shit if you upscale them
the retrotink pro & hyperkin hdmi cords have artifacting & blurryness

the only thing that looked right was a crt
you wanna try to play sonic 2 with a laggy usb controller go ahead- but save states got invented for a reason- and that reason is shitty hardware

>>8902391
If your stepdad's PC is so good how come it can't emulate any good insults?

>>8902421
Best way is emulation on a 4k VRR OLED with CRT shaders.

>>8902432
id take shaders of upscaled av/s-video or rgb


upscaling is a meme
crt are cheap or free
play properly

>>8902440
Good CRTs are not cheap or free, they are also massively heavy and bulky

The CPS2 core is so accurate the FGC is now using it for tourneys alongside real PCBs

>>8902037
Iirc klonoa 2 has been fixed long ago, there is around 5 or so games that still don't work on the latest opl betas. If you're running 0.93 or something, know that v1.2 is in beta and there was a massive array of fixes on top of drivers for ds4 to ds2 controller emulation, game loading through firewire and MX4SIO/SD2SIO (special memory card with sd card slot. Slightly faster than dvd on paper, works with all consoles as long as an official ps2 memory card or one with MagicGate encryption is inside slot 1)

Can the SDRAM be inserted into either slot on the DE10 Nano, or will mister only detect RAM in the slot closest to the cpu if there's only one stick? I ask because the SDRAM stick I got only seems to work in the slot closest to the cpu (the one opposite of the physical switches). On the working side, I get 140MB easily, while I only get 70 on the non-working one (and without a stick plugged in). I really need to make sure that my DE10-Nano isn't faulty or broken.

>>8901741
>But how much will it cost though?

>>8901741
But how much will it cost though?

>>8903050
Here's a screenshot showing that Mister doesn't detect the SDRAM stick on board.

>>8902254
All of them. You not realising how inaccurate your emulators are is a you problem.

>>8903050
The slot nearest the chip is the primary slot, and that's where all the cores access the RAM. The memory test doesn't even bother checking the secondary slot because up until the PSX core release nothing really used it. Your DE10 is fine.

>>8903115
But it's not just the memory test. It doesn't detect the chip in the menu, nor do cores that require the chip (NES, SNES, etc) work on the second slot either. That's normal too?

>>8903135
That's perfectly normal. Those cores are literally not wired to that slot. Almost nothing uses it, and nothing expects you to have RAM in the secondary slot but not in the primary. The only core that can use it is the PSX core, and even then, it will only work if you have RAM in the primary as well.

>>8903149
Thanks for the info! I was worried my DE10 was busted, so I'm really glad this is normal behavior, since I couldn't seem to find that information elsewhere.

>>8901527
not quite
>>8902103
same way Wii remote works

daily reminder that these fags don't use what they shill
don't fall for their scams when emulation is free, easy, accurate, and 9 times outta 10, not hard to set up

>>8903157
I don't think it's a thing people normally encounter because most people use an I/O board that uses the secondary slot.

>>8901549
The case is a chink fake and it is indeed a pita to build.Proof these chinks have 0 quality control and 0 engineering skill

You know, talking about RasPis, I actually wanted a 4b to set up a RetroNAS. But they're not restocking for literally a full year, as in May 2023. Fucking Jesus.
A 4b kit (which are of course in stock because they're sold at a premium with a bunch of shit you don't need) is over 200AUD, when a DE10 from Mouser is 360 AUD. It almost makes me want to buy another DE10 instead, just to consolify or build into an arcade setup.

Sidenote: someone made a website that tracks raspberry pi restocks, and it upsets me greatly that it can detect them for countries from Austria to Zanzibar but not Australia
what the fuck man

>>8901534
xbox series s/x retroarch is pretty good

>>8903169
I'm waiting for the Mister Multisystem to come back in stock, so I'm using the SDRAM as a placeholder in the meantime.

>>8902068
>Sly 1 on OPL is stable, but you have to mess around with a couple of settings before you even create a save file. If not, it triggers the Anti-Piracy measures, and you won't be able to grab clue bottles, grab ropes/ladders to climb, or use your cane to grab hooks.
Is there a post or something about this?
Also tales of the abyss is broken on OPL last I checked

>>8902202
>isn't available
it's a community developed, highly technical open source project you fucking spastic.

>>8902714
I tried the latest beta as of sept 2021 and klonoa, sly 1 and tales of the abyss still had the problems.
Maybe I'm missing some settings

>>8903287
Then were in the exact same boat. I'm waiting on batch 2.

>>8903417
http://sx.sytes.net/oplcl/games.aspx
According to the compatibility list, sly 1 is working since v09.3, your issue may be a kinda incompatible hdd with your ethernet adapter, my old hdd had issues with my ps2 like this, where a lot of games crashed ingame, didn't boot, and even fhdb failed to start a lot of the times. (I'm using a clone adapter, but this may happen even with the og one if unlucky enough)

>>8903583
It works but you can't do any circle button actions
I have an official adapter
Doesn't sly 1 use the PS1 CPU for a lot of logic?

>>8902249
Did they fix the PCM glitches on the Capcom games yet? It seems that the PCM audio cuts out after a few minutes on those games on the X68000 core. Still super excited to try it out though, especially those fanmade Sailor Moon fighting games.

>>8902140
Even that will apparently be addressed with that Custard S-Video/Composite addon being developed for the multisystem.

>>8903587
The PS1 CPU is used for controller and memory card management on the PS2 (at least in PS2 mode.),

Mode 6 turned on and not using PADEMU seems to be the fix to the problem according to a plebbitor.

>>8903594
im a mere mortal so i dont know what look for when it comes to arcade pcb accuracy

the cps cores just got updated so i would imagine its decent - i usually was playing those titles on a modded psp3000

>>89018548
>>8901549

>>8902432
>Best way is emulation
If you're poor sure

>>8904210

>>8902037
I agree. I really wanted a PS1 ODE solution but the MiSTer has solved that for me.

>>8904223
Reality doesn't bend to your will. Things cost money for a reason.

>>8904232
Yes, which is why you need to pay for all original hardware to have the best experience.

FFT still crashes right before the first cutscene. MMX4 has some weird audio issue where if you let a song loop, it actually plays the next track on the disk

>>8904257
Original hardware is obsolete.

>>8904257
The MiSTer will give you the same experience of original hardware at a fraction of the space and 100x the convenience

>>8904420
Things cost money for a reason, poorfag.

>>8904480
Yeah, I know. A real hardware setup with all the consoles RGB modded + flashcarts and pristine OG controllers is the best experience money can buy, but MiSTer is a good compromise. It's still better than software emulation.

It's like going from composite to S-video to RGB. Emulation is like Composite: cheap, gets the job done, but has issues. S-video is a large jump. RGB is even better but mor expensive, and it's not as large of a jump in quality than going from composite to S-video.

You have now witnessed that magical moment when an anon has become so obsessed with getting the last word that he is now arguing the exact opposite of what he was originally arguing.

>>8901560
>i want my japan exlusive shmups
which ones?

>>8903169
That's the issue with dual-RAM really, you can either have dual-ram or analog I/O. I am mostly going to use HDMI, but I still want the analog option too, so I am waiting to see what happens when the PS1 and Saturn cores are finally out. Since N64 is out of the question Saturn and PS1 seem to be the last possible cores on the DE-10 that might need dual-RAM.

>>8903601
>The PS1 CPU is used for controller and memory card management on the PS2 (at least in PS2 mode.)

Well, that explains why JakX Racing had issues saving on the first versions of the slim models. I knew that the slim PS2 models ditched the PS1 hardware, but I didn't know any models still utilized the PS1 hardware in PS2 mode. I thought it was for PS1 BC only.

>>8904984
The silm PS2 hardware didn't ditch the PS1 hardware per se, but they made it much buggier with costcutting revisions.

It's more common than you think. ND used it since the original J&D and Insomniac used it on the Ratchet games too.

>>8904984
That's jakX's fault for not using Sony's official drivers, Sony had drivers (.IRX files) for all i/o stuff and even audio that you could distribute onto your own disc, and quite a lot of games just did that. Idk if jakx devs saw an issue with the official drivers though.

>>8905001
>The silm PS2 hardware didn't ditch the PS1 hardware per se, but they made it much buggier with costcutting revisions.

I thought they did (at least partially) and relied on software emulation? The same way later PS3 models did for PS2 before ditching it entirely? What were the buggier cost-cutting measures then?

>>8905006
All games used the standard SDK drivers like CDVDMAN for IO and such, which is why loaders can patch them for piracy. It's up to devs if they want to write additional IOP modules for their own purposes.

>>8905018
The original PS1 CPU is still there but all its IO ports are emulated by another, new CPU. The timing is extremely inaccurate so you can think of it as being emulation for practical purposes, even though the technical details are a bit more interesting.

For the record, all PS2s also emulate the PS1 GPU which is why it is able to apply texture smoothing.

>>8905053
>The original PS1 CPU is still there but all its IO ports are emulated by another, new CPU.

What? Why? If you already have the old PS1 CPU in there how does it cut costs to instead of use it's IO to add ANOTHER CPU to instead EMULATE the IO?

>>8905080
It allows for a lot more consolidation. The SSBUS and SPEED controllers were removed from the PS2 because their interfaces can now just be emulated. I believe there's also changes to the controller and memory card interfaces. You still need to emulate those interfaces or else old code won't run any more. It also simplifies manufacturing since all region PS2s use the same hardware. A configuration flag sets the region and the new CPU hotpatches the BIOS.

waiting for that NGPC core

Bumpu

>parts arrived from China to assemble my retina display; laserbear chassis still in limbo however
I plugged the LCD into the driver board to test though, and yeah, (caveat: having never held an ipad) I'll wait until it's more than a fragile screen connected to a fragile PCB by a fragile FFC cable before messing around with scanline patterns and whatnot, but no joke I can immediately see why this got shilled. And mine is only the crappy 1:600 contrast ratio LG panels the chinks had on hand, if you could scavenge or at least reliably identify online one of those 1:1000 sharp or samsung LCDs I'd personally probably, first, cum, then second, want to enshrine it in a countertop mistercade cabinet.

why the fuck is mister shit so expensive? I just want to play some turbografx games but now its fucked. its all fucked. you need th eboard and a ton of attachments and its all

>>8903086
they dont care
theyre just underage here to shitpost

i wish the mods would just nuke them from threads instead of baiting/flamewar everytime

misterfags are fucked on this board we cant even help eachother troubleshoot

>>8904804
i cant tell you 360 is NOT retro

>>8906839
Give it three more years and it will have hit the two decade mark.

Yes, we're old

>>8906839
>>8907460

>>8902145
>It's not a troll, it's sincere. Why spend $500 to emulate Earthbound and other 16-bit games when you can buy a flash cart for a tenth of that price?
With the MiSTer you're getting like 100 flash cartridges in one device, for multiple systems, and oh btw they're also throwing in the consoles, arcade games, and home computers.

>>8907484
Mister is a multicart?

>>8906798
Could have gotten one in 2018 and paid $130 like me. TG-16 and Genesis were two of the earliest cores. But no you had to call Smokemonster names even though he sorted all your games for you and told you about MiSTer before anyone else.

>>8907490
You could theoretically make it into one. The DE10-Nano is a dev kit after all. And the MiSTer's cores are all open source. Just design a board and framework to do that. Same way there is a way to turn the DE10 Nano into a OSSC Pro with a hat.

>>8907606
i didnt do any of these things though

>>8901854
>Apparently that's a good thing though because a lot of the available in-line power switches have voltage drop issues
All of them do, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>8906714
>having never held an ipad
Yeah, same here. Had no idea they had such great displays only to be used on low quality video streams and thottery.

>>8907609
k keep me posted

are terasic shipping estimates accurate? de-10s really won't go out until july? only asking because i hear people say that they've received them way before the estimate.

>>8907652
>All of them do, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Are you saying it's better to yank the cord out every time rather than just buy a splitter with a switch?
Why the fuck doesn't the mister have a software shutdown anyway?

>>8908593
Just get it off the chinks, you'll end up buying everything separate and pay more in total

>>8908656
I've read that the io boards and usb hubs from ali aren't reliable but I don't know if that's just people spreading fud

>>8908709
They're all made in chinkland, might as well get it straight from chang

>>8908653
Yeah, I actually contacted one of the big sellers and he guaranteed his stock was up to spec, it wasn't, my MT32-Pi immediately complained about low voltage. The digital IO board gets a power switch, but then you're losing the convenient VGA out and becoming hostage of shoddy chink HDMI to VGA transcoders that need a specific chipset to work, plus modded cables if you're going Component or SCART.

>>8908709
there were some shit IO boards from China but if you get one just dispute it and get your money back. The shit is open source schematics they should be able to make it properly. I have a USB IO board from aliexpress and it works perfectly fine.

>>8908593
Just email them directly and ask if they have any stock. I did that and "Sharon" gave me a link to buy one even though the normal site said it was out of stock. It was delivered in two days.

>>8904223
so retarded
the guy eating the turds is a pc emufag

>>8910162
imagine being too dumb to understand an ms paint comic let alone argue against it

mister chad checking in
playing Ys V on my PVM with a SNES controller through a Raphnet adapter
poorfags keep seething and coping

low IQ scam general

>>8902197
Why the fuck does this faggot whisper

>>8911079
What is your sexuality so fragile that you need men to talk at max volume all the time so that your peepee doesn't get hard? He whispers because the game is what's important and he doesn't want to distract from it too much with his commentary.

What's a good way to connect a PS1/2 controller to the mister?
I tried those black USB adaptors on aliexpress but all is does is light up the analog light on the controller.
No input is recognized and the led on the USB hub just blinks.

>>8912680
don't they have SNAC adapters for a bunch of controllers?

whats the cheapest bare minimum mister i can build?

>>8907460
>>8907463
You guys define retro weird. Retro is an era. That era is 1-4th gen I think. I dont understand people who just lump everything into retro. Are you guys really that short sighted? You dont see the problem with lumping the first pong machines with an xbox 360?
Have no idea why im the only one aware of the discrepancy here.

>>8912962
you don't include PS1/N64/Saturn?

>>8912980
Nah I think they'd group better with 5th and 6th maybe. But Its very debatable. Honestly I can go either way depending on the day. The point is I think retro is a set era and as video games keep going I think its more beneficial to divide them into clearly set eras rather than lumping everything over 20 years old together

>>8912983
so you think retro is only pre 94?

>>8912983
>>8912962
Retro: 1-4th Gen
Transitory: 5th-6th gen
Dark Ages: 7th gen to now

>>8912680
Why not just use a PS3 controller?

>>8913004
Dark ages was 7th gen only. We're pretty good now since Japan started making games again

>>8912956
DE10 nano + 32MB RAM + cheap usb hub. <$200

>>8912987
Yes.

>>8913321
They never stopped they just focused on handhelds for a while.

>>8912943
Not for ps1

>>8913321
Fuck.off. we are in shit. There is NOTHING GOOD coming out in the past decade

how good is the psx core? apparently the dev said that it will never be 100% accurate on the de-10. is it as good as duckstation (minus the inherent benefits of software emu obviously)?

>>8914825
At the moment it has a few bugs (a few animations in some games playing too fast, a few games crash, that sort of thing) but it's fine. No perspective correction or upscaling, but it does have texture filtering, widescreen and an optional CPU cache boost thing.The best part is that you can connect original light guns and memory cards, which nothing else can do.
The inaccuracies are due to ram bandwidth limitations. Two ram modules apparently alleviates much of this, but even with that it's likely not perceptible. It might be an FPGA implementation of an emulator but it's still operating at a much lower level of emulation than most software emulators can manage. Also, it isn't abandoned, unlike Duckstation.

>>8914061
True mah nigga.

>>8914269
Your shit taste is not my problem.

Comfy.

>>8915092
why do you have to be a jerk and say i have shit taste? what did i do to you? Why cant you just help me find good games? we're all on the same team of liking games

>>8912956
>>8913858
Is that really the cheapest it can go? Cant i go cheaper? do i really need that much ram? or the usb hub? a de10 nano on its own is nearly $400

>>8915186
You're right. Sorry.

>>8915189
>A de10 nano on its own is nearly $400
Holy fuck is that real? I got mine early '21 from chinks and it was $200.

My kid is getting old enough for games on his own. Should I buy a mister so he can play games when they were good? I dont want him to touch my hardware at least until I can trust he wont break it. I'm already the weird parent for not getting him an ipad.

>>8915208
Why won't you give him an ipad?

>>8915215
He should play real games.

>>8915223
Dont cave to peer pressure from normie parents anon. You're keeping him away from so much soul corrupting shit on the internet as I'm sure you know.

Def get him a mister or maybe a pi if you dont wanna drop that much cash. He'll love having access to unlimited sick games. Maybe curate what games you put on there instead of just putting whole romsets on whatever device you choose. Paradox of choice can be a mfer

>>8915223
Careful to not alienate your child. When he meets his same age peers and doesn't have a clue what they're talking about because his boomer dad only lets him play boomer games, he will become antisocial and hate you forever.

>>8915319
I had this childhood and i didnt mind. Not purposeful from my parents, the last generation consoles or even older. I think people on 4chan overstate how much your kids will 'hate you forever' for.

>>8915336
You just want him to be a clone of you? Not criticizing just curious

>>8915208
Would you have liked it if your Dad forced you to watch silent films and refused to let you engage with contemporary culture? Just let him play fortnite or whatever he wants. Think back to when you were a boy, he's a person not a hobby for you to tinker with. Forcing him to play things he doesn't want to will just make him resent those games and resent you.

>>8915339
I'm not guy

>>8915342
kid probably gets bullied at school for only being able to play old games because of his schizo dad kek.

>>8915342
Its totally normal for parents to imprint their tastes on their kids and I have no idea where this idea came from that you should just never show your kid anything and just leave him to whatever pop culture and schools show him. Did you guys not listen to old records with your dads or something? I grew up hearing elvis and other shit around the house. It was fine. I wasn't angry because my friends at school were listening to limp bizkit and I wasn't at home. I don't understand this weird notion.
>>8915348
I will NEVER send my kid to school.

>>8915357
Alright hope you enjoy taking care of a virgin basement dweller until you die

>>8915357
The problem isn't showing kids old things you like. It is forcing them to only engage with old things and banning them from engaging with the contemporary things. Imagine if when all of your friends went to see Star Wars your Dad refused and made you watch some old western instead. No amount of pretentious lecturing would make up for it.

Exposing him to old games and letting him play them is fine. Stopping him from playing anything modern is selfish and idiotic. He is a person, not your pet.

>>8915378
But modern stuff is genuinely shit. Fuck off

>>8915378
Dude's a narcisist schizoid, probably a christcuck too. I know you're trying to save a kid from a life of torture and abuse but there's not much we can do.

>>8915381
Don't you get it? Your Dad thought that about the stuff you liked as a kid too? Your opinion doesn't matter. By all means show him good older stuff, but don't lock him out of discovering his own things.

>>8915391
No he didn't . He had shit taste and thought modern stuff was better. He was really annoyed and confused I thought otherwise

>>8915403
kek, good one

>>8915403
Your son will grow up to hate you for being a weirdo autist that tried to isolate him from his friends by trying to force him to only like 80s pop culture. You are pathetic.

>>8915410
If he's any kid of mine he won't have friends so I don't care.
Again you clowns really overestimate how kids react to their own childhood

>>8915413
Here you are schizoposting on 4chan so by the looks of it yours was awful too.

I live in a near abandoned ghost town that was only ever one road with houses on either side so I don't care what a bunch of oversocialized idiots like you think about how to raise my damn kid

>>8915424
>Oversocialized
Nobody who posts here is social. We're talking from experience.

>>8915196
Dunno what currency he's referring to but it's like 400 AUD at least, yeah.
220 USD from terasic + 45 USD for DHL and suddenly whoops it's 380 AUD after currency conversion. Then you add 10% GST, probably, and RAM and you're talking the big bikkies.

>>8915189
>Cant i go cheaper?
Yes. All you need is a time machine.

I've heard MiSTer apparently won't ever see an N64 core. Can anyone explain how Saturn and PSX are possible yet N64 is supposedly isn't?
I think I heard similar about the Jaguar but don't remember the details.

>>8915189
they raise the de-10 price every few weeks. it's only going to get more expensive.

>>8915734
The 64 has more complex hardware that needs to be recreated.

>>8915189
I mean, technically you only need the DE-10 board, but only a very small amount of the cores will run without at least a RAM expansion. Absolute minimum for any reasonable use would be the DE-10 and a 32MB RAM expansion. Though I don't think there is much money to save between a 32MB and 128MB RAM card these days.

Apparently the cores you can run without a RAM expansion are:
Arcade
486 PC
Apogee
Apple II+
Aquarius
Atari 2600
BBC Micro
ColecoVision
Commodore 16
Commodore PET
Commodore
VIC-20
Jupiter Ace
MultiComp
Sega Genesis/Mega Drive
Sharp MZ
Specialist MX
TI 99/4A
TurboGrafx-16/PC Engine/SuperGrafx
Vectrex
Vector 06C
ZX81

>>8915868
Sounds good to me. il ltake a de-10. I guess a de-10 is the only option though? theres no uglier bigger older option that nobody likes or anything

>>8915180
no ports on the front
you had one job

>>8915734
The N64 has chips running too fast for the Cyclone V to maintain stability. Both the N64 and the Jaguar have wide and fast 64 bit buses. The PSX and the Saturn have (several smaller) 32 bit buses and even with that memory bandwidth is being pushed slightly past the limit of the DE10 nano. At the risk of justifying an old marketing campaign... do the math.

>>8915874
There is a bigger, older version that runs on an older board called the MiST, that gets its name from being made for the aMiga and the Atari ST. It's less capable, and probably more expensive to put together because it was never as popular as it's successor, the MiSTer.

>>8915978
so sounds like im fucked. and i need the ram expansion for pcengineCD too. man video games fucking blow man. this is so frustrating. i cant buy the base board and get some hacky thing going. im just fucked. might as well buy hardware and use the combined weight of it to crush my skull

>>8915983
Email Terasic, ask to buy a DE-10 nano. You'll get it for list price, no chink markup.

>>8915920
Yeah, wiring those up is incredibly annoying. I wired on OTG>USB port in the back and just plug a USB hub to that.

>>8915983
Kek

>>8915874
There was someone porting MiSTer to the DE-1 I Think, but its not worth it.

I'm gonna get around to this once my kid is old enough to game. Not enough fucking time rn boys. Fellow dads, hang in there.

>>8916141
why isnt it worth it? the de10 nano is expensive as fuck and i dont need to play 5th generation games.

>>8915978
>>8915983
Definitely don't bother with the MiST, I am pretty sure that project died years ago. It's only purpose was to do FPGA of Amiga and Atari ST, and the MiSTer project is the result of taking it further to do far more. Even if it's still going it's still just focusing on those two systems and is going to have far less support.

>>8915967
Isn't it not just an issue of bus speed, but the complexity of it's hardware not being able to fit on the FPGA as well?

>>8916185
because the github shows only sporadic activity and has stopped being worked on since 2019/2020. It's an abandoned project. Sure you might have some cores on there, but you're pretty much stuck with something nobody is maintaining and won't have the core support of the DE10.

https://github.com/MiSTer-DE1-SoC

>>8916165
right on pops

What would be the next logical step up from the DE10?
I know that's not how this works, but if you avoid their PCIe platforms and want something like the DE10 Nano which has 110k FPGA logic elements, next up is I think the DE2i-150 which has 150k logic elements, albeit costs $700. Or if you want to go nuts they have the TR5 which costs a cool $7735 but offers 952k LEs.

So yeah they definitely picked well when they chose the DE10 as the basis for the MiSTer platform. Shame the cost has blown out between the chip shortage and Terasic/Intel knowing that nerds are using it for video games.

>>8916254
Some people say it might actually fit. The N64's disadvantage back in the day was the unusual architecture, but it's fairly close to modern machines in its architecture of a fast GPU style chip connected to the CPU via a high bandwidth bus. That means it might be possible to combine the two into one chip to save space, like how the N64 itself might have done had it gotten an official hardware revision. If that could be done it would probably just about fit. But it wouldn't actually run, not on the DE10 at least.
There's also talk of trying out hybrid emulation, and writing a bare metal emulator for one of the chips (most likely the MIPS) for use on the arm processor or a Raspberry Pi. Then it would fit.

>>8916953
>There's also talk of trying out hybrid emulation, and writing a bare metal emulator for one of the chips (most likely the MIPS) for use on the arm processor or a Raspberry Pi. Then it would fit.

That defeats the purpose of the MiSTer, might as well just use a Pi at that point.

>>8917020
>That defeats the purpose of the MiSTer, might as well just use a Pi at that point.
Well not really. FPGA is great for certain scenarios, but the reality is for the systems that the DE10-Nano is never going to be able to do, Software emulation is preferable and the benefits of FPGA are negligible. Hybrid Emulation can be an effective solution if you want accurate recreation of a system with low lag input.

>>8917020
If you're just emulating the CPU it's not so bad. Most of the problem with software emulation that FPGAs sidestep neatly is that multiple chips are emulated in interleaved bursts which leads to odd things happening in certain games that have to be worked around. If you're only emulating one singular chip in software you can get pretty close to accurate realtime by simply spinlocking between "ticks" of your virtual CPU. But the devil is always in the details, we'll see what happens when the rubber meets the road.

>>8917020
There's a world of difference between a bare metal emulator focusing on one chip and your average pi emulator. See also: MT32-Pi.

>>8917079
>MT32-Pi
What is that thing even for?
Is it just midi audio for PC cores?

>>8917110
pretty much. Emulating enough MIDI for games to sound reasonably like real hardware is a bit burdensome for the DE10, and most people can't justify the cost of a real MT32, so here's a software emulated MT32 that responds to real MIDI commands over pin compatible midi cabling, bridging the two nicely.

>>8917143
Fair enough.
Cool for those into that, but I personally wasn't a PC gamer back in those days so it doesn't really have any appeal. Not that that's relevant, but the cool thing about MiSTer is there's something for everyone except N64 fans.

>>8917149
The MT32-Pi existed before the MiSTer FPGA project found it and popularized it. The nice thing about it is it runs baremetal, so it's like a real device in that way that its like firmware on the pi without going through the hassle of booting into linux. starts instantly. plus can be used as a MIDI synth by musicians.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-mt32-pi-midi-synth

SNES core now has MSU-1 support. Gotta go play BS Zelda with voice acting.

>>8917110
No sound card would compete with an actual MiDi device back then, which has generally an external box and usually intended for more professional work connected to a music keyboard. But they did support being connected to a computer too. The games back then that supported them had considerably better sounding music when you were using one.

Here's what Monkey Island for example sounds like on a Sound Blaster from back then vs a MT-32 MiDi device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6r5iWfbjlI

And here is some more examples and history about the MT-32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZOxUhQj10

Note that the MT-32 wasn't the only such device back then (The MT-32Pi can even emulate more than just the MT-32 MiDi device) but it's the most well known and talked about one these days.

The DE-10 itself is incapable of emulating a MT-32 at full speed while also playing DOS games on the 486 core. It might work for some really low-CPU DOS games and some games for older and weaker PCs but for most 486 DOS games it will start to cut out and stutter as the DS-10 nano board is not capable of fully emulating a 486 system and MT-32 at the same time.

There was a video showing this, but I can't find it.

>>8917149
>he only plays retro games that he played as a kid
GO away.

>>8917602
I wish I could enjoy these (and the Mega Drive equivalent), but all the arrangements sound like they were made by someone who rented a reverb pedal and really wanted to get their money's worth.

any opinions on the 2.4g retro bit saturn pad vs the 2.4g 8bitdo m30?

>>8916445
wtf is this real

>>8917020
> That defeats the purpose of the MiSTer
Even if you were to run the emulation entirely in software and just use the FPGA for video and audio output, that would still be a big advantage over using a traditional PC. Emulation on a PC has terrible audio lag and stutter issues, due to the sound and graphics being unsynchronized and the graphics having a wrong refresh rate.

>>8918418
VRR fixes the video synchronization.

>>8901518
Is this thingy worth it

>>8918430
If you really like light gun games or /vr/ computers, I guess.

What's that other emulation box, the one where each console is a different component that you buy separately?

>>8918471
Polymega. The original plans for it was to use a FPGA simlar to MiSTer, but those fell through and they just shoved from 8th gen Intel CPU in there.

Apparently all the components are for are physical compatibility with cartridges and controllers, the system even lets you dump carts/disks to internal/sd/m.2 storage (I think you even have to do this since it can't run the games off the carts directly) and you don't even need that adapter to play those once dumped unless you wanted to use the original controllers.

So essentially, it's an overpriced Coffee Lake based Linux Mini-pc with a bunch of expensive controller/cartridge accessories that are optional.

You don't even need an adapter at all for disk-based consoles since the disk drive is built in.

Seems like currently, the latest system it supports is the PS1/Saturn, so it more or less tops out at what the MiSTer does too right now. Apparently an N64 adapter has been announced but it's not out yet. They said they have no plans to support 6th gen or later.

So it's more or less not going to emulate newer consoles than the MiSTer can, other than eventually N64, so even a Pi can do more. It costs about as much if not more just for the base unit. And it's essentially just an Intel x86_64 based PC running Linux and several PC-based emulators.

Sounds very not worth it over either a MiSTer or a Pi to me.

>>8918506
They're not going to support anything more since nobody cares about this hunking pile of trash and nobody bought it.

>>8917602
Wtf? Without any drawbacks?

>>8918527
Audio plays fine, video works too. There are currently some timing issues which still being ironed out, like some people report issues with Tokimeki Memorial translation, but in general MSU-1 works now.
The only drawback is that BS Zelda Map 1 Restoration weights 2.5GiB and my SD card is almost ready to burst thanks to hundreds of PS1 shovelware games I put on it, lol.

>>8918541
>BS Zelda Map 1 Restoration weights 2.5GiB

Wait, what? How? Is it all uncompressed audio or something?

>>8918541
That's crazy. I remember a while back MSU-1 wasn't doable on the main SNES core because the special chips were already taking almost all the logical units on the de-10.

>>8918571
>>8918646
It’s a remake of the whole NES Zelda called third quest, there’s also fourth quest
I think there is a few hours of audio that was translated

>>8918571
Exactly. MSU-1 streams uncompressed PCM audio into SNES and the BS Zelda hack replicates 4 separate hour long radio broadcasts. An audio file of one broadcast (2 dungeons out 8) is over 500MB.

>>8918646
Apparently the software side of the system gained new features which made clean MSU-1 implementation feasible.

Fuck it, tomorrow is payday, so I'm ordering a DE10 off digikey (cheaper than Terasic because of the delivery costs).
Aside from a better power supply for the MiSTer, and yeah this is technically unrelated now, what's some cool shit I can tack on to the order?

>>8918823
Incredible.

What's the progress for the Sega Saturn core?

>>8921028
Dev barely has any internet connection so he is currently silent. He still logs in to the forum daily, so at least he is alive.

>>8921127
He also has a YouTube channel where he posts progress examples, but his last upload was two months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCamZUOstd2d4kiVuLaN6SaA

Cool little emu machine, I prefer a raspberry pi.

>>8913004
Nobody asked.

>>8921338
but we did

>>8918243
I prefer the rounder shape of the M30, but then again I never had a Saturn pad in the day.

>>8918243
retrobit does what 8-bitdon't.

>>8918243
I hear good things about 8bitdo, but only from people I wouldn't trust.
I heard good things about the retrobit Saturn pad, from people I do trust, but the thing feels very light in my hands and the C button, (as in the plastic actuator you press) +/- the slot in the casing that sits in, are moulded poorly so when depressed the former will sometimes (and if rolled across in a certain way, always) get stuck.

>>8921482
the dpad will fail on the retrobit after a few years of HEAVY use

for 20$ id say its worth it
plus you can use it on original hardware as well

i use mine on my neogeo mvs arcade boards

>>8921482
I haven't used an 8bitdo myself but I have seen several streamers who swear by them. What's wrong with them?

>>8908760
I’ve had one for months now, with a MT32-pi Lite connected, and I leave it on almost all the time — never had any issues. Should I get rid of it asap, or could voltage drops still create a problem?

>>8901518
I'm thinking about selling my entire NES/SNES/Genesis collection and get the Mister FPGA. I own the Analogue Super NT, Mega SG and HDMI modded Toploader NES.

>>8921676
Don't know anon, maybe you got a good one and the friendly merchant sent me several bad ones, or the lite suffers less from voltage drop as it's connected directly to the port as opposed to using a short cable. I assume it must output any warnings to OSD as it lacks a display.

Is the chinc mister still the best price at 450?

>>8921808
it's absolutely the best deal out there but i am hesitant to give aliexpress sellers several hundred dollars

what is buyer protection on there like?

>>8921990
Very good.
Aliexpress only really works as a sales platform because they will get your money back. And you can pay by PayPal so you have every protection to need to retrieve the funds if a storefront tries to pull any shit.

>>8921808
Is this retro castle?
Their little metal cases are quite handsome. Might order one so I can yank the DE10 out my existing setup to use with a consoliser/arcade setup.

>>8921636
I'm a d-pad fetishist.
Maybe it's just personal bias but whenever I heard anything to the effect of "this third party controller has a dpad that's actually good", when I get one in my hands it always feels like shit. Too stiff or too mushy or hits diagnals when it shouldn't- there's always something wrong.
Having said that, SNES aside my favorite d-pad is the PS Vita's- and that's why I actually want to try the 8bitdo teal/yellow 'Lite' controllers as they use similar buckling dome mechanical switches to the Vita or GBA SP. I hate the colours and the plastic looks cheap, but if the internals are solid I might have finally found an acceptable Bluetooth controller.

>>8922392
I have an 8bitdo lite. It's not as good as the SP. It's harder to press.

>>8921676
You can easilly test for voltage drops with a multimeter. Just buy a cheap one qnd test.

>>8921127
>>8921334
Didn't he shadowdrop a 32X core recently out of nowhere?

>>8922392
8bitdo's D-pads are quite good. They all have the issue though where the diagonals are ass but a simple tape mod fixes it. The only one that doesn't have that issue is the M30, that one's simply perfect.

>>8918506
>Polymega. The original plans for it was to use a FPGA simlar to MiSTer, but those fell through and they just shoved from 8th gen Intel CPU in there.
ahhh, is that what happened! I remembered thinking gee it's FPGA, might be worth looking the reviews when it comes out. I forgot the name but but kept wondering what happened to the overpriced FPGA system i'd heard about. Now i know.

>>8918506
Aren’t some nerds working on hacking the Polymega components to work with a mister for cart reading and controller inputs?

>>8902210
if fpga just simulates the hardware then why does it need patches for specific games?

>>8922873
>why does it need patches for specific games?
specific games do not get patches, this is not a hack based software based emulator
in a hack based software emulator, when a specific game is detected, it will apply a specific patch in order to work around the flaw in the emulation, the emulation in general isn't patched to run all games with the same methods that are needed for the workaround in a specific case

for fpga, some games demonstrate flaws in the current simulation of the hardware, the flaws get patched and the simulation becomes more accurate as a whole
there is no detection method to tell what you are running and to execute things in a different way, all things are run in the new way

however if you want to get pedantic, then in the case of mapper chips on cartridges there is further hardware that needs to be simulated and may come with different flaws
getting to a rom file isn't the only part of a cartridge, and an exotic mapper chip needs to be simulated too, just like the rom wouldn't run on a "cycle accurate" software emulator until the mapper chip is implemented, or like a flashcart wouldn't be able to run the rom on an official console without the mapper being programmed too

>>8913247
You would need to already own one
Real PS3 controllers are impossible to find now.
I've been using the official USB PS1 controllers, they're perfect but are missing analogs.
I'll just hold out for a SNAC connector for my ps2 controllers

>>8914825
When did he say that?

>>8923040
PS4 and PS5 controllers also work you know

>>8922415
Did he? Was that a while ago? I thought the MiSTer had 32X emulation for a while now.

>>8923131
>for a while now.
define a while. a few weeks.

>>8922451
Never heard of this, but if you are going to go that route might as well build Sanni's Cart Reader, the parts cost under $200 and the current model can do NES, Famicom, SNES, N64, Genesis, 32X, GB, GBC and GBA, as well as have N64 controller inputs. Yes it lacks TG16 (I think someone made an adapter for that though) but it's going to cost significantly less than buying all those overpriced Polymega adapters.

Although personally I prefer the older model that had all the ports (except NES/Famicom, but there is a daughterboard you can solder on to add that now) built in instead of just having one port that you use adapters for.

>>8922415
This is his last public message, from the day when 32X core got released a month ago.

>>8923485
He's literally working in a warzone. What a legend.

>>8923492
Thankfully his hometown of 6500 residents is located deep into occupied territory, so there's little chance of him getting caught in artillery fire, unless the ongoing Ukrainian counter-attack gains significant momentum.

Thoughts on this?

Has anyone tried assembling a multisystem?

>>8923105
The shape is just too off for it to feel authentic on ds4/ds5

>>8923653
I'm about to do that tonight (with a V2 case). It looks dead easy but I'll let you know how it goes.

>>8923653
What's the point compared to the standard IO board + USB board?
All that does it bulk it up and those addons are useless and overpriced, if they ever actually release them.

>>8924245
>What's the point compared to the standard IO board + USB board?

It's cheaper than buying the components separate

It's for people who want a more clean console-like look than the open DIY-design of the stacker

Built-in SCART for those who really want to get the maximum quality possible on an analog display

The addon port on the front makes it easier to have addons without having usb dongles hanging around everywhere, same goes for adding additional USB and even SATA storage to it.

>>8924245
overall it's more compact than if you were to try putting it in a micro-itx case and use extension wires and keystone jacks to get your usb ports and etc from spaghettiing all over the place

closed source solutions are super gay though
hopefully raph's jamma himitsu project will be useful
think xtreme mister was also supposed to be open source? but hasn't looked like they've been touting that as an idea any time recently, maybe they're going profiteer too

>>8924264
Its really not:
The baseline should be the $450 chink kits
It just looks like an ugly 3d printed N64+euro micropc mashup.
Those addons are overpriced as fuck and who knows when they'll be released.
Also it's just as easy to use a dsub to SHART cable with the IO board

Has anyone done a head to head comparison of the PS1 core vs mednafen vs real hardware?
I'm curious as to how accurate it really is.

>>8924245
Some people don't like having wires sticking out of every side. Plus the scart connector makes it super easy to connect to a CRT, no messing about with sync combiners.

>>8924284
It still has timing issues. Replays in Gran Turismo go off sync.

>>8924282
>Those addons are overpriced as fuck
They haven't announced the price of any addons.

>>8924282
SHOULD be, but it's not. This thing ends up being cheaper in both normal and inflated markets.
It looks more or less like a console, it was specifically designed with the TG16 in mind. And if you hate 3D printed parts there is an open-ended acrylic case and they are working on injection molded versions
As another poster said, they have not announced the price of any addons. They are still finalizing the designs of the MT-32Pi and Analog addon, so you literally just made that up.
And messing with config files is not "just as easy" as just plugging a cable in.

>>8924284
Isn't the core still in beta if not alpha?

>>8924378
The PSX core got released, but it still needs polish.

>>8924372
I'm pretty sure they announced prices to be around $100 for each add-on
Changing a single value in an ini file is not a big deal kek
Also seriously, just build your own cable. The best thing about the IO board is that it outputs every analog signal other than compshit and shit-video. Its a very simple solder job.

Got a free DE10-Nano and want to put a Mister together. Would Mister Addons be the place to go for the other board and SNAC adapter?

>>8923653
One word: fiddly. Straightforward enough, the manual is fine, but it requires a bit more patience than the average PC build. The standoffs are quite stubborn to get off (not the MMS's fault) and then you have to cut the thread of the plastic standoffs yourself and they're really close to other components so it's sort of awkward. There's a bit where you have to get a nut into a really tight hole (stop laughing) and then do the screwing later (I said stop it) so it's quite to keep it up so it doesn't fall out (ok I'm done). Also there's a bit of a tolerance issue with one of the buttons, it kept sticking (actually a known problem). But, a bit of patience and it's fine. Kind of reminds me of those old electronics kits you used to get as a kid. "Electronics in Action" or something like that.
Well built though. The case is like a Tonka toy and the board looks really nice. Now I've got to get the SCART connector in there and the hard drive and the hard drive is too thick. Might need some tape.

>>8924442
>I'm pretty sure they announced prices to be around $100 for each add-on
Source? Also, that makes zero sense. An addon with a pi soldered into it as well as an OLED screen and a daughterboard the same price as an add-on with three RCA and an an S-Video port? Sounds like BS.
>Changing a single value in an ini file is not a big deal kek
You said it's "just as easy", it's not, not all cores listen to that value, and you still have to have the properly synced cable too for your display
>Also seriously, just build your own cable
"It's just as easy!" "Just build your own cable!"
Great arguments there

>>8924559
Another thing. Two of the screw holes had some filler material left in. Not much, but just enough for them not to bite on the nuts. Needed a minor drilling.

I like the idea behind the multisystem, however the TGFX-inspired design is questionable and the 3D-printed case especially is unacceptable. I'm not keeping that thing in my living room, but someone did say they have an injected moulded option on the way so I'll reserve separate judgement on that if it materializes.
Fundamentally one of the limitations of the adapting the DE10 to these configurations is just its port layout, which was not at all designed for the way we use it. Particularly the Ethernet. If you aren't careful/conservative with your cables and attach more than a few peripherals via a stacker setup USB hub, the little MiSTer turns into a ratking.
Best option currently is to build into a PC case and run extenders internally to the panel-slots so your ports all mostly face the same direction (and thus the wire spaghetti is mostly contained within), but that's obviously not ideal and you and up with a larger box than need be. Really hope someone picks up the multisystems ideas and runs further with it, but I'm sure a finger will curl on the monkey's paw if that comes true and that'll turn out to be some tiny bespoke operation like fucking steelsticks or something.

>>8924902
> but that's obviously not ideal and you and up with a larger box than need be
I don`t think so - mini ITX cases are small and compact. Plus having some size and weight is good.

>>8923605
Hori is always decent.

>>8923653
Fuck ordering from the UK. Also its a proprietary ripoff of the MiSTer platform. Oh lets take your open hardware and close it and then take credit for it! We invented our own console, Cave Dwellers!

>>8924284
It was just released, give it a few months.

>SNES core looking fucky via ypbpr
>cant figure out why
>colors super dark and washed out
>half of 240p test suite doesnt show correctly
>other cores dont have issues ala ps1
>after days of googling, finally realize i had a crt preset setup for my HDTV
>gamma setting in preset applies to crts even if other filters dont
>mfw

>>8924535
It would be one place to go, probably the best one. Congrats!

FYI to Auscunts, not that it's really MiSTer related because of the LU cap precluding a pure N64 core, but Nintendo AU just restocked their Bluetooth Switch N64 controllers.

what's the best arcade emulator if I want to step through games frame-by-frame to study them?
Rewind and super-slow motion would be pluses as well
I just have FBNEO for Fightcade and it doesn't have anything like that

>>8921705
Do it especially if you need to space save in any way.

CRTs already take up enough room for me, all my retro needs are basically now satisfied by just having an N64 with S-Vid and a MiSTer on a single component CRT. Maybe a Dreamcast too.

How does the new PSX core compare to the PS1 emulation on PS3? Just in terms of accuracy and game compatibility. Obviously the Mister has way more features than the PS3 emulator.

Is a MiSTer and a multiformat PVM that can do 240p and 480p the perfect combination?

Sammy Seta Visco SSV arcade core when? My CRT desperately needs it!

>>8926835
Superior in every way. And give it half a year of testing and bug fixing I expect it will be perfect.

>>8926835
The real question is how it compares to Beetle PSX or Duckstation. Hint: it doesn't and there is no reason to use MiSTer over emulation

Who here is hyped for game and watch core? Progress is moving along nicely

https://github.com/pcornier/GnW_MiSTer

>>8927514
What do you mean how does it compare to Duckstation? It is Duckstation.

>>8927517
Elektronika Avtoslalom support or bust!

>>8923653
I recommend to wait for this instead
https://youtu.be/A-s_BjmDgrI?t=48

>>8928053
I have no idea what they are saying in that video

here is your obligatory seething shitpost that lacks any correct info & thinks that running retroarch on your ps1 classic mini is better somehow KEK

>>8928053
the jamma edge sounds amazing
IF it supports CGA output

>>8926835
PS1 on PS3 is garbage

There's a Watara Supervision test core now too. Always something new with the MiSTer.

https://misterfpga.org/download/file.php?id=5808

>>8928053
Is a jamma board really competing with a microconsole-style product though?

>>8929364
It's a Jamma board? Yeah, that's a weird thing to suggest in place of a ministyle console, that's like suggesting someone get one of those arcade cabinets that come with a few hundred emulated games and hack them when someone asks if they should build a RetroPi.

Also, isn't there already a MiSTer Jamma board for the DE-10?

Regardless, I have no desire to put a MiSTer in an arcade cabinet so a Jamma board is not what I am looking for. Nor do I want to play console games with arcade controls and it would be a pain to run the PC cores that way.

The MiSTer seems to be pretty lacking in arcade support anyway: https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Arcade-Cores-List

And for some reason nobody seems to even acknowledge the Jotego anywhere on the Wiki.

>>8929807
The wiki is so outdated it's less reliable than a 14 year old YouTuber. Plus I think there's some slight tension that Jotego maintains his cores on a separate GitHub. MiSTer devs are just like the rest when it comes to petty bitching, or at least they do a very accurate FPGA implementation of bitching. Just look at what happened to byuu.

Commodore 128 core in development now as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoZKi4JNWWs

https://github.com/eriks5/C128_MiSTer

I'm looking to get a good general purpose controller but Im not a fan of 8bitdo controllers. I've seen the lantency spreadsheet and whats a good controller for SNES, Genesis, GBA, and PS1? How many ms is noticeable?

>>8901518
I hate this shit, the sound is always fucking off.

>>8931006
Prove it because I'm gonna believe all the other spergs that vouch for the accuracy especially for something like the genesis where I saw myself when they where developing it and everyone was sperging over it, posting schematics of the sound chip, etc. It sounds the same to me, and I had a model 2 genesis.

>>8930427
I saw a post from late 2021 on the MiSTer forums asking why the CPS cores were not in the Wiki, or why there wasn't at least a section of unofficial cores.

Nearly all the replies were basically "Well, nothing is stopping you from adding them yourself".

If this has been the prevailing attitude for years then no wonder it's an outdated mess. One of the posts was even admitting that the Wiki was so out of date it might as well be a source of misinformation at this point.

>>8931116
>sperging
yeah man caring about something even slightly is sperging and having any hobby at all is autism.

>>8931006
There is literal technical analysis available for many cores that shows that mister is the most accurate sound reproduction we've ever had for stuff like genesis, Sega CD PCE and SNES
Fuck off you nigger

>>8901527
>also lightgun supported on modern screens
That's not how lightguns work, you nimrod.

>>8932202
And yet, on MiSTer, the option is there.

>>8930592
Tolerance for lag varies by person so it's not possible to give you an objective measure, but be aware that "lag" as you feel it comes from multiple sources.
For reference at 60fps 1 frame = 16ms. Thus if your setup introduces less than 16ms of latency between button input and on-screen action, all but the most autistic speedrunners would be happy with that. You don't need to go nearly so far as buying a CRT and using SNAC adapters to achieve a good result, but tl;dr - less lag = better, and the lower the lag the more of a buffer you allow for other sources (like using a wireless controller).

If you can tolerate cords, my personal suggestion would be to get something like a JP Saturn pad, a SNES controller or a Wii Classic Controller + their respective USB raphnet adaptors. In low-latency mode you get like 95% of inputs on the same frame, shit's great.
Personally not a fan of Retrobit's 2.4GHz options, so if you really want wireless I'd just go with bluetooth for versatility, in which case I'd then opt for a Wii U Pro controller or Dualsense.

>>8932225
It's not, lightguns can't work without the static of a CRT, you piece of shit. Also which lightguns are compatible right now? What games are you even playing?
It's lying fuckbags like you who cause all the drama in these threads, not the emutards crying about being poor, gay and fat.

>>8932343
You have several options to play light gun games on LCDs with mister including wiimotes you dumb nigger

>>8932227
What's wring with retrobit?

>>8932534
I'm the D-pad fetishist from earlier in the thread.
Short version: Poor quality assurance compared to the quality I had been assured, as someone generally very skeptical of controller quality.

Can someone help me? I’m trying to decide if I should take the PVM memepill or get a PC CRT.
>play console cores ranging from PC Engine to PSX
>play ao486 and MSX computer cores
>still like scanlines for console cores
So my options are either:
>PC CRT which will be cheap and easy
or
>PVM 14L5 to support 240p/480p which will be hard and expensive
Console cores are more important to me but computer cores are a must, and I don’t have room for two CRTs.
How are scanline emulation over VGA 480p CRT on the mister?
More interesting, has anyone tried 120Hz 240p on a PC CRT? I’ve seen some videos on it and it sounds tempting.

Guys
It's happening

>>8933483
Hell yes!

>>8933483
haha!
time for Congo!

>>8927514
It's not 2003 anymore. The fact that you can play PS1 games on a PC is not special in any way. If the Mister doesn't suit your needs than leave the thread.

>>8933281
Bump, I know someone has to have tried these setups.

>>8933483
I will now buy your system. Oh wait, I can't because it's sold out everywhere.

>>8933483
The time has come and so have I.

>>8933281
You can also use the ao486 core on a TV by using the VGA scaler and setting it to 320 x 200 or similar. Not ideal but since most of the DOS games it can play are around that resolution you don't lose much.
If you go down the "poor man's PVM" route with the pc monitor, you've got plenty of scanline options and it does a pretty good job. Not to my tastes but YMMV. I haven't tried 120hz myself.

>>8933906
Or you can just buy a good 1440p monitor and stop being a CRTranny

Are there any fun things I can run on a d10 that aren't video games related? Preferably on the same build as my mister setup so I wouldn't have to change anything? I got it for games but hell, I have a decent fpga and figure I might as well use it however I can

>>8901518
>not just using this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4e4DeAlrs&ab_channel=Moontorc

>>8936859
Learn to code.

>>8936545
Wow, that's a lot of pixels on that monitor, anon. Maybe with a few more you might even be able to reply to the right post and not the guy telling him not to use the CRT.

>>8901518
>>8902121
can i buy one of these and set it up at my parents place to play the entire n64 library along with ps2, GameCube, and xbox games(accurately not just emulation)?

>>8937208
>completely different device with different feature set and guaranteed subpar software emulation
Not fooling anyone, chinkypants

>>8937431
I know this is bait, but no. Sixth gen is fucked on pc anyway apart from Gamecube. Either collect consoles or become a gamecube fan

>>8937431
No, it can't do N64 and likely never will, PS1, Saturn, and 486 DOS is likely it's limit.

And even with software emulators Xbox is a shitshow, the Switch is better emulated than that thing.

From what I'm reading, these cores are truly completely accurate and can replace real hardware
>NES (small caveat for expansion audio since there's no tool to use)
>PCE/PCE CD
>SNES
>Genesis/Sega CD
>GBA
What else? Maybe the jotego arcade cores are approaching 1:1 replication?

You can grab a full kit from the chinks for about $440 if you have coins during the summer sale

>>8938929
Who are the chinks? AliExpress?

>a mister for everything up to 5th gen sans N64
>an n64
>a wii for gamecube and wii games
>a ps2
>an xbox

This seems to be the cleanest/simplest path forward for retro vidya I think? I'm not familiar with the 360 so I'm not sure how it works as an xbox classic machine

>>8938982
What about the poor Dreamcast

>>8938982
Fuck the N64, waste of space and money.

>>8936859
you can use a de10 to mess with various computer cores (which can be gaming related or playing with old DOS / Amiga/ C64 / Apple / Atari applications) such as MIDI or MOD trackers.

>>8933681
you snooze you lose. Also, it's still an early beta release so no need to get too excited yet.

>>8933483
The PS1 core is officially released and it still can't even play something as basic as Final Fantasy Tactics :(

>>8938982
Just add a Dreamcast and don't play any of them and you're basically just me

>The PS1 games included in the new PS+ packages have emulation bugs, and sony uploaded PAL versions for a bunch of titles AGAIN
Not offering PS3 games for sale via PSN, even on the PS5, when a hacked Xbox Series X can emulate them in retroarch, always smacked more of "can't be fucked" than "can't be done" but this is a joke.
Imagine being a multinational corporation selling a 'premium' subscription service, having access to the original documentation for the PS1 and a whole-ass hardware division on staff to work on ensuring your emulation/product is even halfway decent, and you're outdone by one competent german solo-developer who reverse-engineers your shit in his spare time.
You and your lowly paystation I swear to fucking christ sony.

>>8939448
I'm playing it and it looks good to me, what do you mean?

>>8939104
Fuck you, waste of space and money.

>>8938894
NeoGeo core was made using schematics from decapped chips

>>8939681
Kino

>>8938894
Not sure if that's completely true
can you replace a NES CPU with it?

>>8939547
>always smacked more of "can't be fucked" than "can't be done" but this is a joke.

It's neither, it's "We can get more money if we make it a subscription". Same reason Nintendo locks their retro emulation behind a subscription instead of letting you buy individual games like they allowed in the past.

>>8901518
is the current PS1 core better or worse than the best pc emulator? Do I need a fan to cool my MisTer when playing PS1?

>>8927517
me but where are all the roms for all the games? Also where are all the roms for all the Tiger games?

>>8930592
I have a Pro 2 wireless that I use maingly on Pc with Windows 11. Its the best controller I have ever touched. If you are worried about lag, maybe try the Pro 2 wired.

>>8940010
MAME romsets have those

>>8940015
I'm not so worried about lag that it has to be the lowest possible. I just want to know something like if me using a ps4 or switch controller, for example, is gonna be any worse on a mister than on a ps4 or switch. Like does using a ps4 controller on ps4 have more latency than using a ps4 controller on mister. If ps4 to mister is less laggy than ps4, TV not in the equation, than I'd rather use what I got; that's the main question I'm asking. Am I gonna need to buy a dedicated mister controller?

>>8932227
Mean't to reply to you too.
>>8940726

>/crt/ long extinct
>/MG/ now reigns
I never thought I'd see the day, /vr/

>>8926858
I like bvm, if only for tracking hours and card modality.

>>8939678
Whenever I try to start FFT, it crashes with an E3 error right as it tries to load the monastery. I've tried this with every single ISO I could find and they all crash in the same spot. Both on the nightly beta core and the official release core

A dedicated Super Game Boy core appeared on the forums, made out of merged SNES and Game Boy cores with all unnecessary stuff thrown out. Now you can play Game Boy games with ALL SGB enchantments including local multiplayer, sound samples and even sometimes SPC700 music and not just borders and palettes like with existing Gameboy core.

>>8941747
How does it handle the Gameboy version of Space Invaders where the SGB version was essentially a SNES version of the game on a GB cart?

>>8941839
It transforms into the SNES version like it should.

People are already compiling the Saturn core from sources posted by srg320 on his github page. It is very buggy (audio is basically broken aside from, ironically, Red Book audio), but some games are surprisingly playable on the current version. Sega Rally looks really presentable, just without sound effects.

People were compiling both standard and dual-ram versions within the hour of the core being uploaded to github and have been posting game compatibility for both on the Discord nonstop.

I thought the PS1 was more powerful than the Saturn. Why does the Saturn require Dual RAM while the PS1 only requires 1?

>>8942720
Power is a useless measurement when comparing vastly different architectures. The Saturn absolutely has more raw power, but most of the that power is of limited use for most games.

>>8942720
PS1 is further along and Saturn is more complicated due to Sega's weird decisions. By the end of development I expect Saturn to be perfectly fine on only 1 RAM.

>>8942841
Is there any reason to have Dual RAM right and will there ever be any reason to have Dual RAM in the future?

How hard is it to build an arcade countertop kinda thing?

Those 2K ipad screens you can get dirt cheap and run via chink hdmi driver board + the increasingly common jamma options for thw MiSTer platform have given me An Idea.

>>8942720
Maybe something to do with the amount of chips it uses

>>8942841
The Saturn has at least 4 independent memory buses that operate in parallel seems like too much for one RAM.

>>8943038
Heh. Built like an arcade board.

>>8940726
The DS4 in wired mode has been tested as having one of the least amounts of lag of any controller on the MiSTer. In wireless mode it's no worse than on PS4.

>>8943069
essentially
just with both 3D and 2D capability

>>8943058
I wonder if it's more for the expansion RAM games

>>8942720
>>8942791
"Power" can be used in different ways, the Saturn for example was far more "powerful" than the PS1 for 2D games, and had more memory, but it was also lacking in 3D, but it had both the advantage and disadvantage of using quads.

That being said, needing one or two RAM modules has little to do with power. The PS1 core at first also needed two RAM modules, but it was eventually brought down to only needing one, unless you want to take audio accuracy from like 99.99% to 100%. From my understanding it wasn't the first core that initially needed two RAM modules and then was brought down to one.

The Saturn core was only just released, in an alpha state. And it already has a single-RAM option. While there is no guarantee that it will for sure be able to get perfected down to a single RAM module it is a decent possibility.

Using two RAM modules has nothing to do with capacity either, all of the consoles didn't even come close to needing the budget 32MB RAM module, much less the more common now 128MB. It's about being able to access memory faster by having two separate GPIO interfaces each accessing memory instead of one, almost like an archaic implementation of Dual Channel. The faster memory access is useful when your code is in a very early and unoptimized state.

>>8942859
As mentioned above, there was in the past with many cores when they were not optimized. And if you are a mega-audiophile there is still a reason for it for the PS1 core. The dev feels that since it's near-impossible to tell the difference in audio unless you have an insanely good ear and audio equipotent they aren't going to try to see if they can manage to port that 100% audio accuracy on a single stick.

>>8943028
There are at least two JAMMA-based boards that I know of for MiSTer, so it should not be too hard. Though a lot of the well known and popular arcade cores are missing because they are part of the unofficial Jotego cores that the main MiSTer repo admins refuse to integrate into the main repo, so be sure to get those too.

>>8942859
Maybe for Atari Jaguar. That thing is a tricky beast.

>>8943675
>unofficial Jotego cores that the main MiSTer repo admins refuse to integrate into the main repo

Don't blame mister develpers for that. Its on Jotego for wanting oversight of his cores the mister people are just doing as he wishes. Maybe some day jotego will integrate everything properly but for now its not a big deal since its open source, compatible, and works.

>>8943675
>>8944079
Jotego's arcade cores use a separate framework from the official cores. They can't be easily updated with generic MiSTer features by updating some system files. On Jotego's credit, whenever his framework get updated, he pushes that update to all his cores. Official arcade cores can run on outdated framework for years before they get noticed.

Would using one of these be the fastest and easiest way to update the MiSTer and it's cores? How much faster would it be compared to manually downloading, then dragging and dropping the files via SD Card?

https://misteraddons.com/collections/parts/products/wifi-bt-usb-adapter?variant=39654352060549

>>8938894
You missed the NeoGeo core. While the rest of them may be so close to 1:1 it doesn't matter, the NeoGeo core was made from copying decapped chips on a real NeoGeo. It's as 1:1 as you could possibly get.

Going to be picking up the board to build my mister. Controller wise I have a Super Famicom already for SNAC. Is it worthwhile to get the 8bitdo 2.4ghz Genesis Controller for SNAC too or go USB?

>>8945646
Remember that you can only use SNAC controllers with the console cores they correspond to, e.g. SNES controller with SNES core.

PS1 SNAC adapter when?

>>8945753
https://twitter.com/misteraddons/status/1521485277193252868

https://twitter.com/RCAVictorCo/status/1529224704816717824
>Psychic 5 core in the works
FUCK YES

>>8944674
If you have a wifi adapter it's worth a shot. If you have an ethernet cable you can connect it to your router, or you could connect the ethernet cable to your wifi connected laptop and share the internet.

>>8943675
Thanks.
There's an arcade custom guy who sells a design called the EVO mini which looks a perfect fit. Failing that or if shipping outside CONUS ends up being ridiculous I might try modding an old iCade.

>MiSTer connected to a VGA CRT monitor to play PC Engine and Sega Genny
based or cringe?