/vr/ - Retro Games

>inb4 DID YOU KNOW

>>8890476
>It was more popular than the original back in the day, it sold more copies, it was more heavily merchandised, and it was in higher demand.
Super Mario Bros.: 40,240,000 sold
Super Mario Bros. 2: 7,460,000 sold
Super Mario Bros. 3: 18,000,000 sold
2 was not a failure by any means; it's the 5th best selling NES game. But let's stick to the truth.

>>8890476
>This whole “black sheep, not a real Mario game” shit is a lie made up by journalists.
Who says this?

>>8890476
nobody thinks it's a black sheep
i wouldn't say mario even has a black sheep, maybe sunshine back then but nowadays not really
3d world maybe? it was a good game but people shat on the visuals, and yeah they were kinda samey but not nearly as samey as 3d land

"Not a real Mario game" isn't a lie, but it's just constantly presented in a really lowbrow clickbaity way online. It's more like a half-truth. No, Doki Doki Panic was NOT a Mario game initially, but it BECAME one officially. It's been released in Japan as Mario, enemies from this game appear in other Mario games, Nintendo EAD and Miyamoto accept it as a Mario game.

Saying "it's an epic secret you've been lied to" is a lot more exciting than saying "one game started life as a different game originally".

>>8890476
Japan releases Super Mario Bros. 2. They think it's too difficult for American children. So they turn the game Doki Doki Panic into a Mario game for the U.S. then they release the Mario version of Doki Doki Panic in Japan as Super Mario USA.

>>8890616
forgot pic

>>8890476
Nobody think it's a black sheep, it's just a shit game. It may have sold well, but Lost Levels was a massively better game, and this was a low point in the series in the west even though it's not actually a canon Super Mario game.

>>8890619
>it's just a shit game
> Lost Levels was a massively better game

Anon, remember to take breaks from your contrarian posting, do not damage mental health further

>>8890619
Mario 2 was a better game than Lost Levels.
Lost Levels wasn't even a real game, just proto dlc for Mario 1.

>>8890616
>Salamander, Lifeforce, Lifeforce

>>8890646
Lost Levels is Mario 2 in Japan. It was released in the US on Super Mario All-Stars on SNES

You will never be a real Mario game. You have no goombas, you have no koopas, you have no pipes. You are a Japanese cultural festival title lazily reskinned and comodified in a crude mockery of Mario's perfection, made only to serve as the casualized shoein retard-proof replacement for the gaijin-filtering original.

"Mario USA" is not, and never will be, Super Mario Brothers 2. It is the tranny of the Mario series.

>>8890663
> Nintendo then: releases updated versions of their earlier hits, a previously-JP exclusive game and a new title all in one pack
> releases updated versions of their earlier hits with extra features and a cable connection for other people to play in 00's
> Nintendo now: releases three super lazy ports collection for high price and makes it a limited run

What have changed them?

>>8890672
>Made by the same developers as Mario
>Almost every enemy from the game has appeared in a future "real" Mario game
>The version backported to Japan as "Super Mario USA" sold even better than the original Doki Doki Panic

>>8890672
>Lazily
That's wrong tho. They put the same amount of effort for any other game. Lost Levels was practically a ROM hack, now that was lazy.

>>8890683
Back in the 90s people wanted to see the latest graphics tech no matter the cost, this was the peak of people ignoring how a game actually played if it looked "outdated" it was bashed heavily. Not only did you have to remake a game in order for people to take it seriously, but technology was moving faster and so the originals weren't even that old at that point to warrent re-packing them.

Today people have almost cult-like reverence for original classics, to the point where when a remake does come out people bitch and moan about every little physics glitch that isn't exactly the same as it used to be. And because it's now been decades since those original games came out, not just 3-4 years.

>>8890702
I meant the creation of the original game but they improved a lot when they reskinned it as Mario, that's not lazy

>>8890663
Learn to read, pllebbitard.

>>8890672
It started out as a Mario game before getting a license slapped onto it. Seethe, YouTube tranny.

>>8890560
>2 was not a failure by any means
I think....the OP meant the original SMB2, the numbers you provided are for SMBUSA anyway which kinda validates OP's point.

Everybody should just look at the original SMB2 on the FDS as an expansion pack for SMB1 and carry on with their lives.

>>8890883
No, I'm pretty sure it was another game. FC did have some online capabilities but it was scarce, dlc was definitely not in the cards yet. Or did you mean because it was on the disk system?

>>8890853
Pretty sure I can read, English is my native language, but I'll look into it. Alternatively, have you considered stringing together a coherent thought?

>>8890691
Doki Doki Panic wasn't made by the Mario devs. The version that was released as Mario had help and pointers from EAD and Miyamoto, but the main game wasn't.

>>8890856
Simply not true. It was designed as a new IP from the start and adopted the license. It was not Mario in early development.

>>8890476
>This whole “black sheep, not a real Mario game” shit is a lie made up by journalists.
there's no such opinion. it's just basic bitch gaming trivia
>ackshually did you know it's a reskin of another game???

If it wasn't for this Shy Guys wouldn't have become part of the Mario universe.

>>8890663
Why do retards come in here and pretend the people they reply to don't know this basic information literally every single poster of /vr/ knows, with nothing suggesting they don't already?

>>8890672
>how a super mario bros 2 usa denier has to play subsequent mario games

>>8892586

>>8892595
Look at the post it was a reply to. It wouldn't even make any contextual sense if the poster DIDN'T already fucking know that LL was SMB2 in Japan. Why would it have been posted? Why would a poster compare those two games specifically as a better sequel if they did not know?

>>8890706
>Back in the 90s people wanted to see the latest graphics tech no matter the cost
Bullshit.
Genesis kicked SNES' ass because of the pricedrop and nobody bought the Neo Geo.

Link's awakening is more of a mario game.

All mario games are generic trash but 2 is a real steamy pile of crap

>>8890476
I never knew it existed until I got it on Gameboy Advance.

>>8891036
NTA, but your ability to both read and perform anything remotely resembling critical thinking are in question. Why would you make >>8890663 this post at all? The person you're replying to is obviously aware of this. They literally said Mario 2 was a better game than Lost Levels. They obviously know what both of those games are. Literally everyone here does. Your post makes so little sense that it looks like it's coming from a shitposting bot that saw the right words and was triggered to reply.

>>8891203
or pokey or bobomb or ninja

>>8890616
>They thought it was not interesting enough for western market.

Corrected.

>>8890883
>I think....the OP meant the original SMB2, the numbers you provided are for SMBUSA anyway which kinda validates OP's point.
The OP image and the description OP wrote both clearly very clearly refer to the Mario Bros 2 everyone outside of Japan was first exposed to. Japanese Mario Bros 2 didn't feature turnips and wasn't called a black sheep or not a real Mario game. Mario Bros 2 outside of Japan was called that because it literally wasn't a real Mario game and instead was a rebranded Doki Doki Panic, in much the same way Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine was a rebranded Puyo Puyo.
That said though I like non-Japan Mario Bros 2. It's not really Mario but it's an entertaining game. Japanese Mario Bros 2 is fine too, although less interesting and more of a straightforward followup to Mario Bros.

Mario 2 and Zelda 2 are very different from their predecessors, but that doesn't make them bad games. There wasn't a Mario formula yet, so Nintendo was just trying new things. Did it work out for them? I'd say it did. Of course I would have preferred lost levels over SMB2, but that's not to say smb2 wasn't great in it's own way.

I surely never would have played Doki Doki panic if it wasn't branded as Mario 2, so to that end, I'm glad it shook out that way because I really enjoyed myself.


God damn, do I enjoy a good video game.

>>8890663
dipshit

>>8890616
>They think it's too difficult for American children.
so much for the "rental difficulty" meme

>>8894453
If you followed the Mario cartoons and comics the whole "chucking turnips at shyguys" thing actually became a big part of the scene

Is Mario the worst character in this game?

>>8894734
The very first Super Mario Bros Super Show episode featured Birdo.

I loved my Mario G&W but I'm eternally disappointed they went for Lost Levels instead of this, or didn't include both.

>>8890663
>Lost Levels is Mario 2 in Japan. It was released in the US on Super Mario All-Stars on SNES
Holy shit, I can actually feel how fat and stupid you are through the internet.

When did Mario get blue overalls? And what fabric would they be, anyway?

>>8890608
Chrono Trigger started life as a Mana game.
Ristar started life as Sonic.

>>8892645
>poorfags love Genesis
this always seemed to be the case

>>8897002
>p-poorfags
Face it, outside of Japan, Genesis was just way more popular than SNES. Sega's marketing in the US and Europe kicked Nintendo's ass all through the early 90s, until they went retarded and the company basically sudoku'd.

>>8890476
Notably the original Doki Doki Panic started off as a Mario game, but got changed when Fuji TV asked them to make a game for them. I feel like even if Lost Levels was released in America they probably would have reskinned Doki Doki Panic as a Mario spinoff.

Mario 2 is more of a Mario game than all the 3D Mario games combined.

>>8890476
Mario Madness is more essential to Mario’s identity than SMB1.

Mario Madness was light years ahead of anything else at the time. Infact I'd go as far as to say it was and still is a better game than Super 3 Mario Bros.