/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8887673

I use Verbatim disks and I have never had a single issue. Just make sure to burn on a lower speed and use a good CD burner (some of the cheap USB ones on Amazon are utter shit. However some are good, just don't get tricked basically)

Also use imgburn and if you get a disk that failed; don't assume it was the burn. Find another ISO file. I love cdromance but even some of their uploads are shit.

>>8887714 said it all. I prefer CDBurnerXP.
My Verbatim isos burned 20 years ago still work perfectly.

clonecd

>>8887714
>Also use imgburn and if you get a disk that failed; don't assume it was the burn
Do you have any setting in particular?
And for games that have lots of bin files, do you do anything special?

Tayio yuden is the only quality one left, new Verbatim CDs are cheap chinkshit now but i haven't had any problems with them yet. I use imgburn and burn them on 10x speed.

>>8887940
>chinkshit
Now I've seen some multiple folks online saying that SPECIFIC verbatim are the ones everyone should go with, ones that say "DataLifePlus" but any that dont have this labeling are CMC made verbatims and are therefore shit

>>8887673
You can actually buiy the black discs Sony used as blanks you can burn your own shit on.

https://cntronic.com/wholesale-25-discs-blank-black-and-white-printable-700-mb-cd-r-discs-26237

Also a little-kown thing is some Japanese-release games were available in all sorts of colors, and not just black.

>>8887940
>Tayio yuden
Have they restarted production?
I thought they stopped manufacture like over a decade ago and since then the only new ones on the market have been shitty counterfeits. I remember seeing a lot of forum threads for identifying the fakes back in the day.

>>8888094
H U H

Well gee fuck I didnt even know you could buy them, but I still assume I'd need a way to boot up backup discs even if I were to buy these no?

>>8887673
Doesn't really matter, disc quality is only relevant to longevity, your laser is gonna fail first probably and you can always re-burn discs.
Burning speed is irrelevant (only relevant to how quick you'll burn), any program that can burn .cue files will work, that's it.

>>8888119
They're just black CD-Rs.

>>8888094
Sony stopped using coloured discs in 2007. That's why later budget releases and reprints of PS2 games are on silver CDs and so are those Square Enix online store re-releases of Chrono Cross and other PS1 games

>>8888119
Yes you'd still have to do that. They're just old-school-style colored burned ROMs, and not the originals.

>>8888146
PS2 games were always silver as far as I know. The colored discs were PS1-only, at least for NTSC.

>>8888165
pre-2007 PS2 CD releases were on blue bottom discs for all regions
DVDs were always silver and DVD9 have a slight gold tint to them

>>8887673
cheap fucking ritek CDR spindles work perfectly. the manufacturer of your CDR only matters when you're talking about longevity. the more important things to worry about are your disc images and your software you're using to burn. i've never had a bad burn with imgburn or cdrdao on 4x speed.

>>8888176
>pre-2007 PS2 CD releases were on blue bottom discs for all regions
I didn't notice. By 2001 when the PS2 came out I pretty much had every PS1 game I wanted in its original black-label release, and didn't seek out any others.

>>8887673
I use k3b

>>8888165
The original Sony discs are standard CDs as well. It's the wobble groove copy protection data in the TOC on legitimate releases that sets them apart.

>>8888292
I'm surprised no one to this day was able to reverse engineer the whole wobble thingy, I assume it mostly has to do with the burner itself though

>>8888326
It has been reverse engineered. Though there's not many discs available that have done it.
Breaker Pro discs can be booted on a stock PSX. However you can't manufacture such discs on a CD burner, you need proper disc stamping equipment for it.

>>8888094
>You can actually believe my bullshit
No I can't

But what's the best place to get PSX .iso files these days?

Btw if you are a palcuck you need a burner than can write subchannels or libcrypt will fuck you over

>>8888094
Someone told me on a forum two decades ago to buy those black CD's for my Playstation, I've been buying them ever since, found a store close by with an endless stock
However I don't really feel it makes a difference. Apparently they're specially made for high end music production. The one game I haven't managed to burn and play is Final Doom, could be my ISO but I never got around to got some other (it works on emulators).
Also I don't know about burn speed, my burners always have 10x at lowest and that's the speed I burn, some people say it doesn't matter.

>>8888450
I know vimms lair is a good place

>>8887714
>Just make sure to burn on a lower speed
This is a meme that should've died in the 2000s. Every CD brand has its own recommended burning speed which your disk burner picks up on in the TOC, and not burning on this recommended speed will actually result in more errors. The setting for this in programs like imgburn is AWS. Always burn at this speed.
>>8888450
I use the internet archive. I know it's a little slow but other places that I've tried have pretty crappy dumps that just don't work well on original hardware. The only exception I found was Thunder Force V which had tons of choppy, skippy audio until I downloaded it from emuparadise with the script and it worked. So just try multiple sources in search of the best quality dumps, but start at the internet archive.

>>8888326
According to the Sony patent document the laser has to move in three dimensions as it writes the copy protection data to the CD in order for the drive to read it back properly. The process is understood fairly well by now, but I imagine if it was straightforward to alter a disc pressing machine in this way we'd have a million Chink bootleg discs in the wild by now.

Supposedly certain models of Plextor drives could write custom pit data to CD-R's so as to replicate the wobble but I think that's just a rumour that came from people confusing ripping with burning that was spread again in the current era by dumb youtubers.

>>8888576
>The setting for this in programs like imgburn is AWS. Always burn at this speed.
I will try this, I'm buying some cd r this monday, they are selling a pack of 10 for 1.25 bucks

>>8888606
From which youtube did you obtain this ridiculous bullshit?

sometimes the cdr burn process fails right at the beginning to a "write lead in failure" and the innermost part gets burned so the disc is functionally done for. what causes this? just verbatims being shit or an issue with my drive/alcohol120?

>>8888794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HOBQ7HifLE

I usually used Verbatim at the slowest speed possible.

>>8887714
So like, are there specific brands of verbatim I should seek out? I keep hearing that ones that are typically sold at stores are generally crappy and lead to issues like lagging fmv and audio skipping

>>8890125
>i pulled it from my ass
>but ill post a random video that contradicts my bullshit and hope no one watches or understands it
oof. you biffed it.

>>8888450
Archive.org, Vimm's Lair and CDRomance.
>>8888094
I don't even care if there's no practical reason to get these; I'm gonna get some of these for all of my future PSX backups. Thanks anon.

>>8888450
>>8890267
I neglected to mention emuparadise with the workaround script. Also very good.

>>8887673
>>8887767
>>8890134
>>8890256
> verbatim or Tayio yuden

Bitches almost any CDR will work for burning ps1 isos, long term reliabilty is another story and FORGET about that shit, Verbatim was sold to CMC media a couple of years ago, the same applies to TY long before that

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14597/cmc-buys-verbatim-assets-from-mitsubishi

>>8890863
but what about fmv skipping? and fucked up audio?

Can the playsation be turned into a gamecube?

Don't use .iso for ps1. Either bin + cue (imgburn) or ccd+sub+img (clonecd). For most games bin+cue will be enough, it's just the ones with subchannel data that need .sub.

Get redump verified dumps. Use checksum checker to make sure the dumps match the site info. That way you can rule out the backup being the problem.

The media is not going to cause much of a problem unless it is really cheap junk. They are mostly the same now. You don't need to use the slowest speed either. Just use half the max rated speed.

>>8892048
Danke, what about games with multiple bin files?

Has there ever been definitive proof that slower write speed helps? I had a Windows Vista PC with a 16x drive and with Dreamcast games I'd only be able to get consistently good burns at 8x, with a couple games only working at 4x. 2x and 16x never got me a game that was playable. I was using Verbatims when they were really good and cheap(like 2008-2011). I've heard anecdotal things like early cd-r drives struggled at higher speeds so that's where the idea came from and that more modern drives(at the time) were more efficient at full speed with slower drive speed being incorporated for legacy uses, so higher write speeds were better with them.

>>8893105
16x speeds is like a crapshoot. The game will crash at a certain point and you’ll be thumbing your butthole trying to figure out why.
Think about it another way, you can spend a few more minutes on something you can keep using for decades.

>>8893115
That wasn't what I was asking, really. I was more wondering if any dedicated autist tested different drives at different speeds. I vaguely remember a thread on some forum where someone tested the same games on the drive at the same speed with cdrs from the 3 main manufacturers to see which ones worked better, might have been snesorama.

>>8893105
Thousands of stupid children can't possibly be wrong

>>8887673
>buy a shit ton of meme CDR-s
>own a spindle of japanese Taiyo Yudens and even Mitsui "MAM-A"s
>kill days of my life I'll never get back trying to tweak pots without an oscilloscope
>even buy an old 1x HP USB burner, and a Pioneer SATA drive
>nothing changes the fact only pressed discs from back in the day read flawlessly
>buy new OEM optical pickup
>shitty cdrs just werk
it's too bad some consoles don't have a steady supply of OEM drives anymore but I'm just saying, don't get disappointed if the fancy brand CDs don't work magic on your console.

"AZO" branded Verbatims are a slam dunk because you identify the real, actual manufacturer from the outer packaging, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. who is the only manufacturer that uses the AZO dye (unless CMC also does them these days too). MAM-A is manufactured in the US of A but to be honest I didn't notice any jump in quality for my burns (and I last bought them in 2016, no idea if they still make them lol). Taiyo Yudens are becoming Taiyo Judens from all the hype that comes with it + CMC taking over new manufacturing with lower standards making TY manufactured discs scarce. Any other brand is a total crap shoot and an almost certain chance of being from CMC.
Currently I just use those plain jane CMC Verbatims and they work ok because of the aforementioned laser swaps.

>>8888534
It's just dyed plastic dumbass, the 780nm laser doesn't give a shit about the color of the disc. It's pretty neat looking though. I have purple CD-Rs of the same color of a PS2 CD game too. There used to be a good variety of disc colors, not anymore.

ive been burning discs probably longer than a lot of the zoomers here have been alive

a few things to note for psx games any cdr will work even dirt cheap brands, as ur consoles laser unit is still good, i use a 10 pack i got from asda for £1 no problems, verbatims are common and good to use, taiyo yudens are only needed for sega saturn as they wont read anything else well.

those who said burn speed isnt important and is just a meme, r talking shit, jumpy fmvs/audio is caused by burning too fast, also your game might not even load

in the ps2 era 4x was prefered, any higher like 8x and u wud get skips and jumps, now i can only burn them at 6x due to newer drives/discs

during the 360 era i think it was 4x as well,may have been 2x i forget, any higher and u wud get problems

as for burning progams back in the day alchohol 120% was good for everything though sometimes nero or clone cd was needed depending on disc type or image format, this was before imgburner existed, now use imgburn it just works for everything

easiest place to find games is cdromance, tho emuparadise has always been king, u can often find things u wont find other places, but now u have to use an addon for ur browser and the "emuparadise workaround script" to show the disabled download links,

as for disc format/extensions you shud be using bin/cue
.
if i have one thats iso or ccd,sub,cue etc. i mount it in a virual drive and use imgburn to create a new bin/cue, when doing this imgburn should display the disc name or something like slesxx.xxx, or slus or slps depending on region, it shud also display audio tracks in the box on the left from your cue file. if it doesnt show the names or tracks you may have a bad game image which wont work properly, tho not always the case.

most important thing dont burn at the highest speed 16x i think is optimal, too low can also give problems, and dont use a years old drive to write ur discs its likely all burned out. (no pun intended)

>>8893624
also wanted to say recently i downloaded a couple of games that were .ecm files,
i had to use unecm to extract it, and was left with a .bin file and a bunch of audio tracks that were in .ape format???, i had to use winape to convert them to.wav and then convert them to.bin then i had to find the cue file online, then rename the game bin and audio tracks to whatever they were in the cue file, its a fucking headache to do.

i think they came from cdromance, if you come across these .ecm files just look for the game elsewhere in bin/cue format, it will save u a lot of time trying to work it out.

I used verbatim disks but also some random discs I got at a nearby store, both worked fine, your mileage may vary, try some cheap ones before you pay or wait more for allegedly better discs, not like they are expensive.

>>8892674
Same anon. If I remember correctly you load the cue file in magiciso (there may be other programs that'll work too). That'll show you a tree view of the disc image. You then 'save as' and select bin+cue format. Wait until it generates the single bin.

Watch out for bad cue files that don't list all the separate bins as obviously magiciso won't generate it properly otherwise.

Test the image in mednafen before you burn.

>>8891849
n64 should have used these

>>8895116
it did if u were lucky enough to get hold of one of these

>>8891849
GameCube was mini-DVD based, not CD.

>>8893624
>and dont use a years old drive to write ur discs its likely all burned out
I've been using the same DVD burner since the mid 2000s and I've never had any problems lel

>>8887673
Dang

Throw them in a fire.