/vr/ - Retro Games

I'm really struggling to make CRT royale look something other than eye bleed for use in retroarch on PSX games. it just seems like the scanline effect is waaaay too strong as it physically hurts my eyes - the xm29plus and kuzuromi presets suffer as well - what the fuck am I doing wrong? I suspect an element is i'm using this on a monitor (a 4k one if it matters) so viewing distance is quite small which no doubt exacerbates the effect.

>>8870694
Post a screenshot to see what's up.

>>8870698
Jpeg diminishes it a touch but this is straight CRT royale and native ingame res.

>>8870727
Try reducing beam spot power.

>>8870694
Works on my machine

>>8870647

>>8870727
Have you tried crt-guest-advanced?
It's way easier to configure.

What CRT filter/config looks best for DOS games? Specifically Doom 'n Quake. Did try using CRT Royale before but the configuration is a pain.

>>8870647
They will never look like a real CRT screen did. Nothing you do will ever be effective.

>>8870989
I have a CRT right next to me and it's close but only about half as bright.

>>8870989
cope
https://forums.libretro.com/t/sony-megatron-colour-video-monitor/36109

>>8870758
Learn the difference between a filter and a shader.

Also learn the difference between an effect aiming to imitate real world equipment (CRTs) over something doing its own thing that has no resemblance with real world results.

Then maybe you will learn to post your memes with sense instead of reacting mindlessly to keywords like a trained monkey.

arcade shmups are pretty fun

>>8871469
Yeah

>>8870772
There is one shader that looks really good for SVGA modes on Dosbox (glshader = rgb2x), but it looks like dogshit in lowres VGA mode because you couldn't see scanlines or a dotmask on a 14" VGA monitor. It's there, but it's barely noticeable. Original Doom never ran above VGA resolution, so it doesn't make much sense to degrade the image quality by applying a television shader.
A couple of weeks ago, some anon posted a nice reshade setup for a convincing VGA shader, but it's not worth it. 320x200 is crystal clear on a CRT VGA monitor.

>>8871567
post the link from the archives.

Something i tried with royale and the old denoise filter before crosire removed from the 5x reshade builds

>>8871213
and this this broke anon's legs.

>>8871567
That's rgb2x in Dosbox.

>>8871610
Use ECE for that anon along with tyrell's CRT shaders.
Staging is a joke of a buggy fork

>>8871602
This looks great. Did StarCraft run in 640x480?

>>8871617
Is that fakelottes or easymode? Looks really good, a tiny bit too blurry maybe. I'm testing out all upgraded Dosbox forks regularly. I like Staging's output window.

>>8871602
>>8871617
This looks awful.
How embarrassing.

>>8871645
>>8870758

>>8871629
is lottes with brightboost, also with reshade to give some touches

>>8871618
per 1.16 it ran on 800x600 with ddraw, so i used dgvoodoo's internal crt aspect mode with scanlines paired with reshade royale, sharpening and denoise.
blizzard downgraded the game's graphics per remastered patch years later to sell it, and made everything fullbright and saturated.
1.16 is still OG SCBW

>>8871645
trying too hard newfren, now post screenshots.

>>8871617
>>8871656
Could you post an ingame screenshot of Mech2 with that shader? The game scales fine from video sequences to menus, but the 3D engine is hardcoded to max out at 1024x768, and that does not scale well to 1080p screens.

>>8871469
>horizontal scanlines
>TATE shmup

>>8871679
i haven't touched it for a while to tweak more, got into some bad shit irl for now
also tyrell's shaders link
https://github.com/tyrells/dosbox-svn-shaders

>>8871656
>per 1.16 it ran on 800x600 with ddraw
You sure about this? Never seen it run over 640x480, and I don't recall a resolution option.

>>8871716
Thanks, is the game set to run at 1024x768? How do you scale this image so nicely? Please post that part of your dosbox config pretty please.

>>8871695
Damn, I knew something felt off.

>>8871740
i did nothing at all, just used the config that comes with it and put the shader on top of it, they all work depending of the game's internal resolution.

>>8870965
what game?

>>8871839
sol divide

>>8871839
Sol Divide.

Megami wa eien no~
SOTN reeks of SOUL

>>8870647
is it possible to get MK2 looking like the arcade version on a widescreen with MAME? i remember the characters were really tall on the cabinet... I guess i need to make it not stretched, but i remember even on my old 17" CRT it never looked the same. Maybe the arcade had a 25" monitor or something.

>>8872825
Yeah the arcade version has bigger character sprites. Saturn and PS1 get the closest.
https://files.catbox.moe/h64is6.jpg

>>8870772
>>8871567
>>8871716
Mask 10 with Mask Shift/Stagger set to 2 in crt-guest-advanced looks really nice for simulating a PC CRT, IMO much better than that rgb2x filter in DOSBox. Just gotta mess with the brightness/bloom settings since that mask lowers brightness quite a bit.

>>8873338
Guest's own library for Reshade is nice
https://github.com/guestrr/WinUAE-Shaders

>>8873774
here it is running with guest's new shader
original and with it, this may be the best shader for everything related to windows games above 640x480

>>8874153

Is there a way to make scanlines visible in crt royale for reshade?

>>8874202
turn off interpolation

>>8874202
Post settings and resolution

>>8874202
Why aren't you just using it in Retroarch instead of Reshade?

>>8874268
retroshart is gay as fuck

What's the most accurate CRT shader for BSNES? Read that Royale was the best so I'm using that, there's also CRT-Geom, Glow, and Lotte. I couldn't say which is the best since I haven't even owned a CRT in a decade.

>>8874617
xm29 with reshade on top of it to finish some details, you can change the lut if you want
but did byuu added 9x dynamic scaling as the last fuck you towards retroshart dev?

>>8874636
Very nice.
I'm trying out some widescreen hacks with PGXP and downscaling to see if I like it.

reminder to always use slot mask shaders. they look so much better even at 1080p

>>8874768
Shut up. Just shut the hell up.

>>8874768
I can never get scanlines looking good with slot masks. They end up looking weird and inconsistent at 1080p. Maybe at 4K they work better.

>>8874786
*pats your head* no need to be mad

hey guys what shaders are you using for old computers and for arcadestuff when playing on lcd?

>>8874918
For arcade I use a PVM-esque shader or use a crt-guest config that makes it looks like the game is running off RGB, like most arcade cabs did.

>>8874248
Scanline thickness only affects vertical resolution as shown and I usually set it to 1
I've tried using a seperate scanline shader but the result is not good.
I kinda dig the no scan lineslook now.
>>8874268
Sometimes I use crt royale with other retro games such as Crysis.

>>8874921
looks very good. which ones are PVM-esque? i tried the different crt-guests ones but didnt look as good here

>>8875354
Update royale with the 2-month old branch from the github, first of all.

>>8875528
Oh wow I missed the new branch somehow, thanks.

>>8875402
You have to configure it yourself. Just look up some PVM pictures for getting the correct mask and try to emulate the colors. Guest out of the box is kinda crappy, it heavily relies on you customizing it to whatever display you're trying to replicate.

>>8875581
Now set scanline width to 2 and interlacing to static.

>>8870694
Increase triad size.

>>8876248
SH1 looking nice in widescreen with PGXP, x5 res scaled down and dithering intact.

>>8873338
>Mask 10 with Mask Shift/Stagger set to 2 in crt-guest-advanced looks really nice for simulating a PC CRT,
In Retroarch? Or are you hooking reshade to the Dosbox executable? Isn't the Dosbox fork for Retroarch old as shit?

>>8876675
Guest ported his shaders for reshade >>8873774
use the ones at reshade folder.

>>8871656
Post the one with the anorexic Link

>>8876675
There's three DOSBox cores in RetroArch: DOSBox-core, DOSBox-pure, and DOSBox-svn. The first is up-to-date with upstream DOSBox and is the closest to it in terms of features, options and usage. The second, despite its name, is more heavily modified to make it more "load a game and it'll just werk", but it's more outdated and less frequently maintained. The last is indeed old as sin and sees the bare minimum of maintenance and is only around for certain devices that can't run the other two for some reason.

Fuck this game, by the way.

and here is the retroshart dosbox shill from /v/.

Haven't frequented /v/ since gamergate turned it to absolute shit. Maybe you should go back there, though.

>>8877050
This is a Retroarch thread. If you don't like it, feel free to fuck off and die in a ditch, you gay ass motherfucking little crybaby faggot fuck.

>>8876690
>>8877023
Thanks, I think I'll try reshade first.

>>8877123
>frogposting
>fuming this hard
CRT/LCD-Shader thread >>8870647
Not retroshart thread

>>8877130
Make your own thread hating on Retroarch.

>>8877124
see what anon sai, it looks fine
also it turns out you can use guest color as backup to load on top of advanced

>>8877212

super-subtle Amiga shader. 1084S esque.

>4k pngs are to big to post
>converting them makes it look like shit
oh well

>>8877610
Guest made a full pack of amiga shaders to run on WinUAE

>>8877839
Magazine screenshot

>>8877921
I forgot I was making a old screenshot shader

>>8873312
i should have been more clear, i meant while playing mk2 in MAME

>>8871656
That anon is right, mid 90s PC monitors never looked that fucking blurry or shitty, they are applying the filter to something that was never meant with that kind of display in mind

just buy a crt? they're like $2 dollars

>>8877839
Just make them compressed jpegs
Or upload them to catbox and link here

>>8870694
Use "Sony Megatron Colour Video Monitor" shader.
Use the 300 TV Line preset. Anything above 300TVL for 320x240 is a meme.

>>8878713
As much as I like that shader, there's some important caveats I would mention before recommending it. Compared to other shaders like guest-advanced, it's relatively lean on options and effects, so you don't get things like glow, phosphor trails, etc. Most importantly, it's a full-strength mask shader, meaning it is meant to emulate CRT phosphors as accurately as possible, and unless you have a bright, HDR-capable 4K display (the kind of display it is targeted at), it WILL darken the absolute shit out of the image. It's a shader with a very specific use-case, and it won't be to everyone's liking unless they have the kind of display it's meant for.

Also, using the 300TVL mask on a common 1080p monitor (what most people in these threads are using) will actually make it look like 150TVL, since that measurement is made with 4K in mind, so there's that, too. If you want a 300TVL look at 1080p, you'd have to select the 600TVL mask instead. I know the anon said he had a 4K monitor, but thought I'd throw that out there.

In any case, I personally prefer slightly higher TVL than that, around 400 (Megatron's TVL nomenclature is a bit weird, btw - by the common way of measuring TVL, the 300TVL preset is actually 270TVL, 600 is actually 540TVL, 800 is 720TVL, and 1000 is 1080TVL).

>>8878342

Yo Bubsy is kinda kino.

>>8880010
Bubsy 3D is a fascinating game given what it represents and was high profile for all of the wrong reasons but i;m convinced without at least attempting to mimic a CRT running it raw on an LCD is pure digital vomit.

>>8880053
You mind saying what your shaders is and settings? I like it

>>8880553
It's a tweaked guest-advanced with the xm29plus lut

So this PSX run through a 4k monitor with 4x internal res and crt.hyllian enabled without integer scaling...

...and this is the same thing with integer scaling enabled.

Why does integer scaling make it look worse?

>>8881092
you fell for the RGB Scart meme
this shit Needs Blargg composite asap

>>8881094
how?

>>8881090
>>8881092
You have scaling issues on both those shots. It's likely a combination of running at 4x internal res and squeezing that onto a 768p window, perhaps with some aspect ratio fuckery thrown in for good measure. In short, everything's fucked. I would first try setting it back down to 1x scale and see how the shader acts then.

>>8881103
Scaling issues as >>8881104 said and the fact that there is no signal to work with the dither and mesh.
Hyllian is good but doesn't fit with PS1 games.

>>8881104
>>8881110
Here's the same thing at 1x res.

So if hyllian doesn't work with ps1 what should I use?

>>8881130
First of all, why are you outputting at 768p? Shouldn't integer scaling make it output at something like 720p? Is that your fullscreen resolution?

>>8881169
Tv res is 3840 x 2160

>>8879408
>you don't get things like glow, phosphor trails, etc.
You can't even emulate those effects well with current tech all that well.
Also why the fuck would you want to emulate phosphor trails? That shit sucked.
Blooming is also garbage and a flaw but I kinda get the nostalgia for that I guess.

Pretty sure you can decrease the mask strength in the Megatron shader but if you have a garbage monitor you shouldn't even bother with shaders imo.

Finally have a PC for emulating, I use Retroarch and have it hooked up to a 4K TV 99% of the time. Zero experience with this, how much trouble am I going to have getting it to look not like shit?

>>8881179
So wait, are you outputting at 768p to your TV and then have the TV scale it up to 4K or something?

>>8881239
TV monitor is in 3840 x 2160

could anyone test guest's shaders on WinUAE

>>8881094
>>8882425
Looks slightly too blurry. Older CRTs were sharp as fuck.

>>8882425

>>8882704
i left it blurry because i already have CAS loading on top to sharp the textures.
plus dgvoodoo2 CRT aspect scaling mode does a good job with it

also its criminal how washed up blizzard made SCBW in modern screens

Do scanlines matter for 3d games?

Is there a way to get the effect of 3 without blurring the pixels? I like my shit sharp

>>8882929
It's up to personal preference, really. I personally think they are still worth using for 5th-gen stuff, and especially so if the game mixes 2D and 3D.

>>8882929
>For console games?
Yes because composite signal black magic worked with the game, mainly saturn and PS1 games, also N64 image sharpening and AA.
>For PC?
Mostly so, mainly due to 3dfx cards and so on, but devs made games for Monitors of that time that were top of the line, Doom 3 is a bonafide example of a game made with the top CRT Screens of 2000-2003 in mind due to its lightning behavior.
Quake 2 and Unreal looked better on old screens because dither made the games less blurry but sharp, threre is even old screenshots of those to see why, on modern screens they look like a blurry mess.

Also most DOS games looks better on CRT than pixel shit we see now.

What game?

>>8882973
video game

>>8882961
>>8882949
thanks guys

>>8882942
Use halation/bloom

>>8883001
is that a RA shader?

>>8882714
What settings?

>>8883007
It's one of the dozens of parameters you can adjust in several advanced Retroarch shaders, yeah. You can keep the image sharp but use the glow of the "phosphors" to bleed the colors and blend them more.

>>8883024
thanks anon

Gomen, ne!
How shameful of Ken to sleep at his gf's birthday party!

>>8883032
check bezel's new arcade preset at libretro

>>8884001
Are those the ones that are super annoying to install?

>>8884004
just drag & drop

>>8886019

>>8886019
>>8886040
it doesn't matter what shader it is, mech3050 is completely bad looking, and mech 2 was better.
also the Mech 1 port for SNES is worse.

>>8884523

>>8886082
let me guess
no blargg ntsc and no integer scaling?
because ive used reshade denoise with xm29 because i fucking hate the sharpening in most snes games and i prefer smooth.

>>8871029
That's the only problem I have with CRT filters. The brightness will always be reduced.
I don't think it's half tho.

>>8886098
I'm not used to ntsc colors (pal region). Integer scaling only on vertical side.

>>8883032
why does the UI in this game is much better than alpha 3?

>>8886134
I am using integer with blargg composite and xm29
9x still has working dynamic resolution so most shaders gets treatment of it with a small tv size.

the only reason i don't push 4k is because i have no reason for it.

>>8886139
I feel you, I personally prefer SFA3's over Alpha 2's but my favorite lifebars are 2nd Impact.

>>8886528
random Master Tung Fu Rue in that pic

>>8887838
Arcade or MD genesis?
Composite does miracles to Alien Soldier

>>8888720
MD genesis
Composite really helped on the train stage

last great kof game...

crt.hyllian is based

what are the best LCD grid shaders for gba and DS that aren't too overbearing?

>>8890129
there was a few ones posted at /v/ a while ago

Too much halation?

What's the name of the shadder ?
(pic related)