/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8815534
Anything using the Kex engine.

>>8815553
SS1 works fine for me so far but Blood on the other hand doesn't, no clue why

>>8815534

>>8815670
>that blatant SC Conviction art theft

>>8815534
All remakes and remasters are shit. Just like this thread. Your kind does not belong here.

There

>>8815534
The bump limit isn't going to be enough to cover it all anon.

The Kex Engine Night Dive remasters are actually really good, even Blood: Fresh Supply.
That said, Raze is a better way to play Blood.

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>>8815534
Blame Atari.

>>8815534
They really fucked up DOOM 3 with the BFG edition. Unfortunately that's the only way you can play it at refresh rates above 60, everything else about it is a downgrade.

>>8815534
What's wrong with it?

>>8815553
Their port of Doom 64 is really good IMO, and not just for the added levels.
Probably because it's based on Doom 64EX, which Kaiser himself made.

>>8815881
Fresh Supply is incomplete and Atari will never care to let it be completed, so even if it's playable, I think it's a crying shame because the game deserves much more.

>>8816230
What about the Dhewm 3 sourceport?

>>8816514
>Fresh Supply is incomplete
What's missing?

>>8816514
>Dhewm 3 sourceport?
It's the best way to play but it does not support refresh rates over 60.

>>8816521
Anon doesn't know. He borrows his thoughts from [YouTube channel].

>>8815534
what's bad about it?

>>8815553
can anyone actually explain why the night dive ports are considered bad without resorting to something autistic that 99.999% of people won't notice ?
they work out the box and remove the need to download and setup GZdoom to actually make the games reasonable to control on modern pc's and if you want modding support that is always an option, they also did the most in ushering in younger people to actually play some of the OG fps games.
is it because they added a weapon wheel or because they added an entirely skippable account creation page for Bethesda that makes them absolute bottom of the barrel shit ports ?

>>8815534
Did they never fix the aerosol and voodoo doll?

>>8816685
It's only Freshy Supply that's broken. Atari denied Nightdive from using the source code during production, and a few months after the remaster was released, Atari terminated their partnership with Nightdive, leaving the game in a broken state.

>>8816740
>>8816358
>>8816521

>>8816685
There's multiple reasons.

People that dislike ND for whatever reason, like they dislike the changes they make to the games.

Mega autistic folks who nitpick literally everything. Theres a missing frame of animation in an enemies walk cycle or something it's LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE use this russian source port that's been in development for 10 years instead

>>8816794
The little things can be frustrating especially when some random russian dude is able to make an arguably better port in a couple of years all by himself.

>>8815534
didnt they mostly fix this though?

>>8816931
Most of it. The three other ports are still better and they're not asking for money.

>>8816521
dont listen to this faggot, Fresh Supply has since been fixed. Its not 1:1 but now most bugs have been fixed and the game for the most part plays like the original version.

>>8815670
>This shit is on xbox store
>The original was never ported to BC
I will never forgive microsoft for this

I'm surprised nobody's answered "all of them".

>>8816937
>>8816521
And when/if you do grab Fresh Supply, just plop Nblood/Raze/GDX in there for a better and more accurate experience.

>>8815534
Sorry chud, make to order mode males Blood actually playable

>>8815534

It always tickles me when people say fresh supply is broken in its current state yet they are unable to ever actually tell you why. If we were talking about it unpatched sure, but that isn't the state of the game any more.

>>8817015
as far as I recall one of the few problems left is like the spraycan flamethrower doesn't work right or something

>>8816962
It would be really dumb to say so, considering how many improved fifth and sixth generation ports between consoles exist.

>>8817015
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1644292444647662838/

Bunch of minor stuff but the spray can and voodoo doll being busted is genuinely shitty (also the TNT is buffed lol). Still not going to matter to the people who have become dependent on 'made to order'.

>>8816740
>the developers making the official re-release couldn't look at the original source code
What the fuck is Atari's problem?
Are they just pretending they haven't lost the source code or something?

>>8815881
>Raze
Is this a new one?
I remember the last one released was what? nblood i think?
I used to play BloodGDX.

n(igger)Blood

>>8817416
Raze combines several Build game ports into one GZDoom-like package. Its Blood support is based on NBlood.

This is the worst port of all time and it's contender for worst game of all time.
>>8816685
Of course not, besides Blood they are superior to the originals now, granted some like Quake did launch with bugs and the walk speed being messed up.
>>8817336
All Atari has is problems, they even fucked up the Recharged line which should have been as easy win for them.

>>8815534
"Easy one" he said.

>>8817008
this. I picked up the Switch Planescape Torment / Icewind Dale collection and holy fuck it looks just horrendous. the way they upscaled the character models is so bad, it's literally unplayable

>>8817234
where is this map from?

>>8816685
>GZdoom
Excuse me?
The closest we have to a source port is BloodGDX. Where you playing a modded Doom and calling it Blood? I know there's been similar attempts with Duke3D, but come on.

>>8815553
Both Turok ports completely btfo their respective originals, shut up retard.

>>8817534
French Meat 2. The first French Meat is much more traditionally “Blood”, while 2 is much sillier with its music and it’s great.

GBA had a lot of quality ports and some good Sonic games, so why not port the original Sonic to it, what could go wrong besides fucking everything.
>>8817502
This one makes me sad, it was always gonna sell millions so they just didn't give a fuck at all.

>>8816673
He Borrows His Thoughts From Cv 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+2?

>>8817521
Is the planescape enhanced edition on gog for pc bad as well? Should I play the original instead?

>>8815553
/fpbp. fug sweden, go import more blacks

>>8817336
>>8817486
that's because the company owning the atari brand now are shady merchants. meddling with online slot games, bought mobygames website, just all sorts of oyveyish things... very bad

>>8818362
they literally have nothing to do with atari anymore except they bought the name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz1GazhuCik

You've probably heard how this is a lazy port of the already bad PC version, and how it embarrassingly only renders at 640x480.
But I've never seen anyone else online complain about the loading.
My god.
The LOADING.

The input lag in this and Parappa 2 makes both of them literally unplayable.

>>8818545
I don't think it's that bad, Parappa 1 is just more strict than people remember.

>>8815534
Fresh supply is not THAT bad after the patch but it feels so sluggish compared to the gx it's insane

I just feel so torn on the House of the Dead 1 remake. There's some fun additions like the new weapons, model viewers, and I don't necessarily mind the horde mode or added difficulties, but it could've been so much better. Forever Entertainment unfortunately didn't use or have the arcade source, meaning they tried to recreate it 1:1 like they did with Panzer Dragoon which is why certain enemy behavior feels off from the Arcade/Saturn version. Also unlike the Panzer Dragoon remake they didn't use the original soundtrack or even voice actors for that matter, they added in new ones and it just doesn't fill the void at all.
The visuals look fine enough in portable play bar the terrible screenshots but there's a fuck ton of bloom added and a 30fps cap - but if you play in performance mode the graphics are flatter looking. Character models are kinda ugly. There's one long load per level transition which can add up to just as long as the Saturn version's multiple load times, or even slightly longer.
They also missed a huge opportunity to add in other modes from the Saturn version just for shits and giggles, like a boss rush mode, additional costumes/characters that can modify your health points/pistol damage/magazine size, ect.

I don't know what else to add besides I'm worried about their Panzer Dragoon Zwei and HOTD2 remakes, don't plan on buying those though when I own a Saturn and a CRT/upscaler now. I mean it works because SEGA seemed happy with their partnership, but I don't know who the remakes are for.

>>8818421
>it embarrassingly only renders at 640x480.
Wait what, this is the first I've heard. The PS3/360 could've easily ran it at 720p at least, I heard it even ran Quake 2 at 1080p.

>>8818587
I can play the originals on the same TV with an upscaler no problem.

>>8815534
Fresh Supply isnt that bad anymore.

>>8816963
You can't play Fresh Supply's files on source ports.
You only get the original DOS version of One Unit Whole Blood if you buy the game on GOG.
Get the game off GOG and play it on Raze.

>>8815553
FPBP.

>>8816514
Doom 64 kex sucks. It runs literally 5 (five) times slower than doom64ex on a equivalent hardware. No excuse.

>>8818340
Yes but the GOG version comes with the original.

DMC HDC
Code Veronica X HD
RE4 ULTHD
SMT: Nocturne
GTA definitive edition
SH: HDC
not necessarily bad but not ideal either most of these
From minor issues to really bad ones. Honestly, I can't name a single game that got a 1:1 perfect port.

>>8819615
Ooops, almost forgot:
Most 5th gen final fantasy games received dogshit ports usually based on the inferior PC releases.

>>8815534

>>8819625
Doesn't the MCC version fix some of the bumpmapping and lighting issues that had persisted with the old PC version of the game for decaes?

>>8819781
It eventually did, but it started out as bad as the PC version. People also modded the PC version to fix those things around the same time.
But I'm guessing since he posted the 360 version that he's just complaining about the optional new graphics.

>>8819781
Yeah, but only on pc port of master chief collection about 10 years after the 360 version release.
>>8819798
360 version missed all that shit xbox og had in the classic mode too since it was based on gearbox's pc port

>>8819609
Turn off the highlights around characters and the Enhanced port is the definitive way to play. Beamdog sucks nuts because of what they did to Baldurs Gate 1 and 2, and they do not deserve your money. But they had enough sense not to fuck with PS:T

Just pirate the new version, it'll save you the hassle of modding the old one. They're the same game.

>>8815670
>thinking of playing the original
>hear a remaster is coming out soon
>budget delays
>legal delays
>work delays
>ends up being horrendous
>wait for a patch
>fixes nothing
>end up playing the original

Warcraft III Refunded was a total shitshow.
The new product was terrible. So what? Play the original! Except you couldn't because Blizzard made the old product inaccessible. So what? Get a refund! Except you couldn't either. So what? Complain on their forum? Except you'd get banned for complaining.
A shit product from a shit company. Like poetry.

>>8815670
To think I was really hyped when they announced it, only to be one of the shittiest remakes ever done, good thing I dodged a bullet there.

>>8817486
Have you tried MK on gameboy?

>>8820828
Yes but I cut original Gameboy ports/demakes a lot of slack because of the hardware, GBA could do fighting games and do them well. Alpha 3, ST Revival, KOF EX and even the MK Deadly Alliance port is fine, there are zero reasons MKA could at least be on the level of the Genesis and SNES ports of UMK3.

>>8818607
I own the originals too and man i was hoping hard that hotd would turn out right but new voices? Idk, ill pick it up on deep discount like i with pd. Damn this is a shame, saturn games are just meant to stay on saturn i guess seeing as the cotton games got negative feedbback aswell.

>>8820852
Yeah, good point, its just a flashpoint in my brain when ports are mentioned

>>8818587
>>8818545
They used the PSP version for the "remaster" which is known for having horrible timing, specifically on Cheep Cheep's stage

>>8818607
I think these guys care a lot about their remakes, there is passion put into them but I don't think they have the talent for the task, games like HotD and Panzer Dragoon were meticulously put together as rail shooters need to be.

>>8818607
I think it's fun, maybe you just have to look at it as a different game and not a replacement of the original

>>8816937
You're a faggot if you think Fresh Supply is "fixed".

>>8816685
>they also did the most in ushering in younger people to actually play some of the OG fps games
Interesting that you see this as a good thing. Doom and Half Life have some seriously terrible fans now that zoomers have become interested in them

>>8817561
>>GZdoom
>Excuse me?
He might be referring to Raze, which as far as I'm aware is basically a Frankenstein's monster of various build engine source ports running on GZdoom's backend.

Not necessarily bad, but I definitely think it's inferior to the original.

>>8817570
This but with shadow man, it's easily the definitive edition of it

>>8815534

>>8815534
All of the final fantasy remasters

>>8815670
I remember seeing a video on this, entire thing was a disaster and the guy in charge was a colossal cunt.

>>8816962
Shining Force CD alone disproves that.

>>8820190
>Except you'd get banned for complaining.
Isn't there a law against retaliating against a customer for making a complaint?

>>8815534
Almost all PC versions of Myst have missing visual transitions or messed up puzzles compared to the original Mac release. The constant remakes are pointless also. Console versions seem to be fine. Myst Masterpiece on GOG has unfixed glitches and weird timing on cutscenes.

>>8820190
This is the worst one in recent memory. All they had to do was give it a nice reskin, fix some bugs/balance issues, and update it for modern online infrastructure. They couldn’t even do that without fucking it up. And they took away the original version of the game. Soulless cash grab.

Blizzard should be a case study in how acquisitions can end up destroying value instead of creating it.

>literal mobile dev
>missing content from Special Edition
>stolen deviantart fanart
>new levels are literally based on memes from 2006

>>8824998
Even more baffling than the stolen fanart was this