/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://mega.nz/file/erwV0IbC#LE6uNgNAXh8CkxNhZpFxY3cxMWrS6_eaO92ZdotUfho

=== NEWS ===
[04-09] Wheel of Time got a GOG re-release
https://www.gog.com/game/the_wheel_of_time

[04-07] DBP46: Monuments of Mars 2 is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2527/

[04-05] New nodebuilder called VigilantBSP gets its first release
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2537/

[04-03] Anon's H TC Slooter has a demo out!
https://buxomdev.itch.io/slooter

[04-03] doom.gay got registered as a domain
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128387-so-i-just-registered-the-domain-doomgay/?tab=comments#comment-2475963

[04-02] Anon's Doom 64 Map Jam has a demo out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/128386

[04-01] The Rumble Pak for Doom 64 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126183

[03-29] Retro Jam 7 for Quake is now available
https://twitter.com/ABrut_us/status/1508930000614998017

[03-29] TERRA added to Quake remaster addons
https://twitter.com/Quake/status/1508835203678150665

[03-28] TNT2 Beta is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2473707

[03-24] Wadazine extras debut
https://wadazine.com/portofolio-extras/

[03-21] Doom 64 Revenant is done
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=68009

[03-18] Huge collection of converted textures for Serious Sam mapping
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10n2GrJ-LrB7Az1aw4fstZUviC8uN5XfD/view?usp=sharing

[03-18] Deus Vult II confirmed still in the works, targetting Doom's 30th anniversary for E1 release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2469298

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>>8800813
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/4160/new-kmq2-test-build-2022?page=1&scrollTo=31231
KMquake2 got a new update

>>8800762
What you want for Quake urban maps is the Film Noir jam. Really good stuff here, especially Pritchard's entry.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/jam8_rezipped.html
Try Manhattan's Left-Overs. It's one of my favorite urban maps as it's very striking visually, however the gameplay is a bit poor especially in the end. Medium difficulty advised, if your pride can take it.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/jam6_daya.html
Foundation for Corruption from Mista Heita is a fantastic urban map found in Alkaline. Also difficult but fair in this case.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/alkaline1.1.html

I did some unfucking work on ATOMRAIN
anybody wanna test it for me?

>>8800892
i'd give it a shot

>>8800826
>egypt loved rtx hell

Kaiser made a fucking Powerslave level editor and literally nobody has made a map. Let's make some Powerslave maps.

>>8800910
https://files.catbox.moe/r57ydl.zip
tell me what you think

>>8800859
If anything, i want a Q2 map jam unit using Alien and Aliens Tileset and dark skybox
also the old Q2 AvP models, which has some neat stuff.

>>8800935
at a quick glance you did a pretty good job fixing it up, weapons don't gib everything under the sun and removing recoil is MUCH obliged
it'd take a while to document every nitpick i had with atomrain and see if you ironed it out, but from what i can tell you ironed out a great deal of them
though if there's changes/fuckups in audio i can't spot them at the moment if someone else can check for me

overall very good patchup

>>8800972
>though if there's changes/fuckups in audio
I didnt touch any sounds

>>8800809
>serpent riders
>only one of them actually rides a serpent
>the "serpent" is actually a minotaur

>>8801037
>those painfully generic designs of the other "serpent" ""riders""
What the fuck happened? D'Sparil was so cool and then Korax and Eidolon were just kind of there as the most generic monsters imaginable.

>>8800972
>overall very good patchup
thank (You) anon!

>>8801060
>Doom 2 of all games is a girlfriend substitute

>>8801054
I've seen people theorize that the Heresiarch was supposed to be the rider and Korax the serpent, but I don't know what the fuck Eidolon's deal was

Chopblock, why?! Why did you set me on fire, chopblock? Why didn't you just finish 94 Protons?! STOP WASTING TIIIIME!

>>8801139
I'm sorry, but a bunch of stupid real life bullshit happened all at once last week, and it took a bunch of time away from me.

>>8801151
It's okay choppy, you start when you feel like it.

>>8801107
Eidolon simply transformed into a Demon, if anything he was the most powerful of the Three and fused with his rider.

>>8801107
Keep in mind that Eidolon's design was likely made AFTER they scrapped the Heresiarch being Korax.

>>8801153
I'm working on shit. Anyone know if anyone's ever made a HUDface for PSX Doomguy btw? Not that it's necessary or anything.

>>8801167
I think there's both player sprites and a mugshot, I'll have to dig around though

>>8801167
I'm just giving you shit mate, don't take it too seriously. Take your time.
I'm chopblock, and I have to work for a living, boohoohoohoo!

>>8801219
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/psone-cover-art-doomguy-mugshot

>>8800826
>original /vr/ project news
Even the word bubble is wondering where the fuck is 94 protons

>>8801262
Christ almighty, he's fucking ugly. Nevermind.

>>8801271
No wonder he wore a helmet on the PC cover art

>>8801276
I mean more the rendition of it, he looks fine on the PSX cover art, and basically fine on the unused 64 cover art.

Is it natural to suck shit at doom 2 on the first ever playthrough as a noob? From tricks and traps onward it's been an uphill struggle

>>8801297
Have you ever played FPS before?

>>8801297
kinda,depends on your experience with FPS games,but DOOM 2 is not high up there,DOOM megawads like the ones talked about in these threads will eat people great at DOOM 2 for breakfast.

>>8801314
Besides pistol starting ultimate doom on uv and dicking around with megawads way above my skill level, nothing recent. Ammo management in particular is kicking my ass

>>8801297
remember, moving = staying alive, so keep moving

>>8801297
>>8801328
It's only natural to suck a little bit when you don't even know the maps. Knowing all of the secrets, traps, and the general layout of the level helps a lot.

Question about Dromed. I want to change the inventory image used by the JunkWebs object (Inventory>Render Type: {Alternate Bitmap; webgar3} ) to a moving graphic. The properties SFX>FrameAnimationConfig and SFX>FrameAnimationState don't have any effect.

What can I do?

i like how bloodsea keep gave cybie his own black throne

>>8800859
Thanks dude, so far I've picked up arcane dimensions, copper+udob, coppersummerjam, all the func_jams/xmas jams/hw jams/jump jams/retro jams/smejjam alongside quoth, joke/sewer/alk jam, alk15, alkaline, ikspq 2-5, operation urth majik, rubicon rumble pack, zerstorer, rubicon2, smej 1 & 2 with the smejjam, and the top rated maps from csg and vondur. Wish I got into Quake earlier, though the mapping scene is still alive so I think I'll start making my own shit too. Gonna be awesome. Just hope the editor isn't a pain in the ass to use like the one in Blood.

>>8801646
>Just hope the editor isn't a pain in the ass to use like the one in Blood.
Trenchbroom is one of the most newbie-friendly editors for a game I've ever seen, and it's fairly robust for anyone more experienced. J.A.C.K. is great too from what I've heard, but it isn't free.

>>8801723
>J.A.C.K. is great too from what I've heard, but it isn't free.
It's much better for creating complex geometry, especially any sort of curved ramp or circular environment, but it's a pain to get used to coming from Trenchbroom. Wouldn't recommend to anyone who hasn't used a traditional map editor or CAD software before.

>>8800813
CountryCide released couple of days ago (TrenchFoot prequel episode).

>>8800932
If anything you're actually filtered if you even bother with the filler combat.
>>8801007
Why even bother using other weapons if it's so easy to replenish ammo for the OP ones.

>>8801867
>Why even bother using other weapons if it's so easy to replenish ammo for the OP ones.
They're all pretty good so spread the love how you want.
Combat isn't the highlight in either game, but buildslave suffers like hell in not having any of the interesting level design and progression provided by Exhumed/PE's abilities and the inventory doesn't make up for it.

>>8801037
>>8801054
>>8801107
>>8801164
>>8801165
I always had my heancanon that since the legion got morphed into Ettins by the Chaos Sphere, Korax used it to merge with his serpent.
Eidolon's serpent is probably too big to be shown.

>>8801881
Or maybe Eidolon's got axed by the hero that died?

Finally will get some god damn time to sit down to grind for a demo on God Machine this week. A level that's 40 minutes minimum means I couldn't grind attempts before-hand since I'm on a spotty schedule.
Of course I'm off to a great fucking start like six attempts in today. Holy shit I'm already sick of the fucking Cyberdemon Cathedral section. It's the only part I can't perform consistently on in practice and that means it's a grind to just even get there.

>Monster replacer mod replaces cacodemon,pain elemental and lost soul for grounded enemies,rendering the thing incompatible with 99% of the maps
ah,fuck,obsidian maps it is

>>8802015
can't you just not uv-max a map where this is an issue? or does it crash or something?

>>8802019
I am more scared of those maps where you have to kill everything to proceed or just some monster closets ending empty

now that you mention it,the issue oesn't sound too bad

Just finished all of Plutonia with a pistol start. I think I'm ready to make a map for 94 Protons.

>GZdoom has fancy code to run most modern wads,but it's a shit port
>PRboom+ runs massive map smoothly,but can't be modded
retard here,can't someone just combine PrBoom code of running maps smoothly with GZdoom modding code without all the fancy graphics bloat? or one conflicts with the other?

>>8802072
>shit port
????????????????????????????????????

>>8802083
Gzdoom lags horribly on many modern "magnum opus" maps like God Machine or anything Sunder and fucks with the original code even when strict compatability is chosen

>>8800934
Well it was just released. I imagine if anyone is making a map for it , it'll take a short while.
But yeh. Here's hoping that level editor makes it into other KEX releases.

>>8802072
>retard here
retard here

>>8802072
Try Eternity

>>8802090
dsda opengl 90fps
prbp opengl 85fps
gz gles sw 70fps
gz vulkan hw 60fps
dsda sw 40fps
prbp sw 35fps

I guess it depends on your PC and what you consider "horrible lag", but the difference isn't as huge as people make it out to be, unless you're comparing vanilla on one side and modded on the other.

>>8802210
How do you get DSDA to display the framerate?

>>8802217
idrate

>>8802046

The custom enemies from Ad Mortem were a bigger success than I anticipated. I think a new monster, a pinky with a new sprite that behaves identically to a -fast pinky, would fit the /vr/ monster roster well. Maybe make it a little smaller and with fewer hitpoints so it can be felled with two shotgun shots, so maybe 100, down from 150. Inspiration: playing on -fast monsters, and fully upgraded zerglings, aka cracklings.

>>8802263
I think Cap'n Mozzarella had that idea, and even made some babby pinkies for it and all.

>>8802263
I think if it's going to be a speedy boy, it should have the same amount of health as an Imp. But with a smaller hitbox so you need to get them even closer.

Holy shit, being forced to use chainguns against revenants is super annoying because of how the painstate triggers their missile state. Definitely an underused gimmick.

>>8802269
He did, and even completed it, down to the sprites and code. There was also that hell tank enemy and and unfinished map in the wad. I could try digging it up if you want to take a look yourself.

>>8802270
At first I was gonna disagree, but this idea is actually superior and more in line with a small, numerous melee monster

>>8802263
>>8802269
>>8802289
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7671383/#q7676981
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7692274/#q7695178

>>8802292
Pinkies die to 2 shells often enough that it would be redundant.

>>8802302
With SSG maybe, but with regular shotty, PRNG makes it such that its 3 shots most of the time

>>8802297
Ah, beat me to it. Kind of strange for him to disappear shortly after announcing high effort shit like this.
Now I'm not his lawyer or anything, but this was part of a personal project of his, and I don't think he gave permission anywhere to use this stuff, so I would hold off on using these sprites until he decides to come back from the dead again and give us the okay.

>>8802297
YES

Anyone here play Daikatana on N64?
I just gave it a whirl today, and it's kinda neat. Whole opening area is quite different. Is the whole game recreated like that?

>>8800934
Eradicator's had a level editor since 1997, and nobody makes maps for it either.

Beat Quake 2 tonight. I can see why no one really talks about it that much aside from the music being really good. It was still fun to play but gameplay wise it constantly felt like a more sluggish version of its predecessor. What a great fucking skybox by the way

>>8801037
Heresiarch's sprite was originally supposed to be Korax, while Korax's sprite would have been the serpent.

>>8800813
Modest Mapping 2 WAD finally officially released
(It was mostly released before, but went into hybernation for a year)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120097-modest-mapping-2-wretched-coven-10-out-now/

>>8801646
Great picks. Also recommend all maps by Sock and Than.
Also yeah like that anon said, Trenchbroom is really user-friendly. Way easier than the shit I used in the past like Qoole and QuArK.

>>8802549
Q2's biggest flaw is that it's named Q2. If you stop thinking of it as Quake's sequel it's a great game in its own right, it plays much differently. To be honest I'm glad they did something different rather than try to make "Quake 1 but shinier".

>With the sunsetting of the Bethesda.net Launcher, we will be making several of our titles available on Steam that were previously unavailable. This includes The Elder Scrolls Arena, The Elder Scrolls Daggerfall <...> and Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.
>Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.
Anons... We're coming home.
https://bethesda.net/en/article/2RXxG1y000NWupPalzLblG/sunsetting-the-bethesda-net-launcher-and-migrating-to-steam

...or you can just go here, lol.
https://www.splashdamage.com/games/wolfenstein-enemy-territory/

>>8802810
>With the sunsetting of the Bethesda.net Launcher
I mean, what did they expect? And why do they STILL try?

ROMEEEROOOOO

>>8802810
>Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.
How about ET: QW and Wolf '09 to complete the set?

https://youtu.be/_slF2ne_drQ
this is so sad

>>8802810
lol wut, hasn't that shit only been out like 3 years?
also why would you get arena or daggerfall via steam when they've been drm free freeware straight from beth since bush was in office?

COME HERE BABY
TAKE IT BABY
GOOD NIGHT BABY
I have no idea why but this is a pretty good wad, its got that simple 1996 techbase good, just a little bit of nonlinearity and casual enemy encounters, funny sound replacements and good simple visuals. Shame about slime pit softlocks and lack of custom mid and it being made by spaz fuckits

there is a sprite conflict if you play final doomer's jpcp set with malefactors, lol.

>>8801352
minecraft WISHES it looked as good as this

>>8801352
eggplant...

>>8802549
Now try Q2 again with the mission packs AI on nightmare
Also the mission packs too

>>8802874
Well, they're not trying anymore.
>>8802890
Not until Microsoft's purchase of Activision Blizzard goes through, which should happen at "fiscal Q4 2023". And even then it would likely take some time.
>>8802943
>lol wut, hasn't that shit only been out like 3 years?
I'm pretty sure it was like 6 years, since 2016.
>also why would you get arena or daggerfall via steam
For the convenience sake? That might actually help those games get just a bit more recognition. Some people that would add them just to finish their TES collection might actually give it a go. Just another option.
Although Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is clearly the one who would benefit the most from that.

>>8803217
WHAT?
DUDE, MS ALREADY OWNS Activision, this 18 month bullshit is just theatrics.
July they will announce the deal was aproved, the only reason FTC hasn't done this shit yet is to observe ActiBlizz stupid behavior over the last months to burn themselves in, MS already bought their decision right after they bought the company.
"fiscal Q4 2023" is /biz/ typical bullshit they always do to set a limit.

>>8802263
>>8802269
>>8802297
>>8802317
I'm the actual official Captain Mozzarella(tm) and I say: go fucking hog wild with my shit boys, just give me a shoutout in the credits.txt if that's cool with you

Does anyone remember a fanart of Doomguy where he was looking angry and it's a close up to his face like a portrait?
I think the background or reflective light on his face was either blue or green, but it was one of those helmetless portraits from like 2010 or somewhere around that.

>>8801878
Build Powerslave's levels are way more complex than Powerslavevania.

>>8802072
Fancy graphics bloat IS the modding code at this point.

>>8803435
WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN YOU WONDERFUL FAGGOT? WE'VE MISSED YOU

>>8803435
I wonder what they would look like if you gave them the exact same frames as a -fast pinky.

Also how did you learn to make 3D models
t. techlet

>>8803435
I was honestly kind of worried about you. I'm glad to see you're still at it.
I'll save the reunions for later, I got work.

>>8803275
>DUDE, MS ALREADY OWNS Activision, this 18 month bullshit is just theatrics.
July they will announce the deal was aproved, the only reason FTC hasn't done this shit yet is to observe ActiBlizz stupid behavior over the last months to burn themselves in, MS already bought their decision right after they bought the company.
[citation needed]

>>8802549
The mission packs are superior in most ways. Its one of those games.

This is working in Boom. It loops back and forth. I promise you've never played anything like this before.

>>8802072
>can't be modded
It technically can, just not as much freedom.
DSDA-Doom has more freedom than PrBoom+ though with MBF21

>>8803539
How would this work differently from the silent teleporters I've seen in Stardate 20x7.

>>8803563
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bMu34JgY-LntV-IW7p8W5jvProb7AAR7/view?usp=sharing

You tell me.

>>8803526
MS loves to use this tactic since the early days.

This "Investigation" is ol code for Observation, FTC knows that blizzard is neck deep in shit along with activision due to the Idiots at HR who took over the company, they also know that there is soros money involved in their behavior. MS never had Activision or Blizzard employees in mind, they will fire all of them as soon as they give the Greenlight to FTC, they care only for the id-Raven Software Ip's they hoard and the other half of Mechwarrior rights, MS bought all of FTC since the late 2000's after Bill's shenanigans almost killed the company.
They want actiblizzard to fuck themselves even more before the announcement.

if this new WoWXpac announcement turns out to be worse than what it is now, just give a few months so they announce the news.

>>8803490
Redneck Rampage has them both beat and is perfect proof that it won’t amount to much if it’s not fun or interesting. Slavedriver was also much better about seamless 3D level spaces while build still needed tricks for its rooms over rooms.

>>8803529
Not really. Ground Zero is practically broken because of the godawful turret enemies that appear from unit 2 onward. The Reckoning is fine and quite fun but it offers few new things. The original campaign is definitely the best out of the three.

>>8803634
>filtered by turrets
KEK

>>8803634
Original campaign played through Ground Zero is a good time. The turrets in GZ can be filtering but I found them more engaging than the super gladiators in Reckoning. I also like how quickly GZ gears you up compared to the previous expansion.
For what it’s worth, elite medics are kickass to fight.

>>8803656

>>8803435
Holy hell, I thought I'd never see you again. I wish I could could contact you privately for a special thing I have in the works.

>>8803656
>fuzzy cacodemon
Holy shit it’d be like a big Elmo head. Even with plushes, I’m surprised this idea never popped into my head.

More raytracing shit
https://youtu.be/V3-F5WNxsoA
Imagine maps designed around this, like revealing an enemy by having it cast a shadow against a wall as it moves towards you, like a baron or a cloud of Heretic gargoyles. I can't fiddle with it myself but there could be a raytracing megawad in the future. Like Tatsurd says, the effect is currently too dramatic and should be more conservative to fit in line with the game

>>8800826
>Doom wads hard
I blame Plutonia for ruining this game.

>>8803668
Forking off of prboom+ for this was the best course of action for this, just to watch demo recordings in it.

>>8803686
In which regard? If not the Casali’s then others would’ve figured out how to make tricky fights.

>>8801054
>What the fuck happened?
late 90s games were either heavily cartoonish laser-aimed at 13 years olds or heavily gothic/somber

most 90s FPS followed quake and id's quirky quake II / III until halo showed you can do serious FPS and have them be good

Any chance someone here remembers the name of an old mod/WAD that turned each Ultimate Doom episode into one continuous level? Wanted to see if it's still around or updated but the name has vanished from my brain

>>8802083
It isn't faithful to doom's code and has some serious mistakes

ie it checks for monster aggression state in every frame while in doom it was a one time binary check

making shit like nuts.wad completely collapse while you can run it without problems on prboom

>>8800813
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1513913950957711365
Arrival was added to the Unity port.

>>8803715
>until halo showed you can do serious FPS and have them be good
Shut the fuck up zoomer, games like Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, Future Shock, Powerslave, Strife, Aliens Vs. Predator, System Shock 2, SWAT 3, Medal Of Honor, Soldier Of Fortune, Deus Ex, Time Splitters, etc, to name some, all came out before Halo did.
Not to mention that games like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, and Shadow Warrior, all were as serious as necessary.

>>8803753
There’s also Marathon, an actually serious and well written “Halo” by the same damn developers.

>>8803702
It's not only a fork of PrBoom, its a fork of DSDA-Doom, so you get rewind and ghosts etc. Which reminds me, someone should remake Zeromasters 500 ghosts video in raytracing https://youtu.be/ip8ZVri9XVQ

>>8803769
Exactly.

>see? it's easy

>>8803506
>>8803518
>>8803662
Man, I missed you guys too! I'm sorry I gave no sign of life for like a whole-ass year!
Truth is, I haven't been anywhere in particular really. Long story short, I got burnt out after working on Doom stuff 24/7 for a while and took a break that lasted longer than anticipated.
Then today, I decide to come lurk quietly for a bit. Just to see what everyone was up to. I figured everyone forgot about me by now, but then I saw my name pop up and took it as a sign that now is as good a time as any to make a comeback!

>I wish I could could contact you privately for a special thing I have in the works
Sure thing, my mail is captainmozzarella@420blaze.it

>>8803514
>Also how did you learn to make 3D models
>t. techlet
No one source in particular, just the result of dabbling with 3d stuff here and there for about over a decade by now.
Lemme tell you though, modern day Blender is CRAZY good and easy to get into, and there's a shitload of great free tutorials on youtube if you wanna give it a try. I suggest you start by looking into sculpting if you wanna make Doom stuff, it's basically the easy modo of 3d modeling and it's great for getting that "digitized clay" look the original sprites have.

>>8803787
>I suggest you start by looking into sculpting
My grandmother used to have clay and a furnace and she'd make dolls......... what if I made sprites of one of the dolls? How would I do that? I could take pictures of it against a white background and import it into Slade and give it a palette?

>>8803753
>Shut the fuck up zoomer
Halo is a 20 years old game, kid.

You must not remember how goofy the late 90s in general were. Comics, TV, everything was like this. Were you even alive back then?

And you are not getting the point. Quake 2 is not Quake because it's a goofy design aesthetic meant to please kids. Q's "serious" design was a gamble that luckily paid off thanks to the engine.

vast majority of 96-2002 FPS games were just like that too. the few exceptions were console jank shit.

>>8803787
>Then today, I decide to come lurk quietly for a bit. Just to see what everyone was up to. I figured everyone forgot about me by now, but then I saw my name pop up and took it as a sign that now is as good a time as any to make a comeback!
How could we forget? Your HFFM contributions were legendary, they were one of the corner stones of what made that such a fun set!

Anyway, we're finally doing 94 Protons, theoretically anyway, as Chopblock is taking his time with the assets.

>>8803470
Found it.

>>8803787
Hey man, glad you are still kicking, your 3d moddeling is great and cheesy (heh) so it fits doom astethics somewhat!
but yeah i hope to see more of your work, even if you take an eternity!

>>8803810
>You must not remember how goofy the late 90s in general were. Comics, TV, everything was like this.
Halo fit right in there, too. The aliens, the lasers, the setting, this was very appealing to teens and 13 year olds. Especially if you were into that Roughneck Starship Troopers kids show, Bungie straight up copied the segment where you view a recording from a marine’s helmet.
Halo is not a great example of shooters getting “serious”.

>>8803810
How is Halo stylistically different from any of that shit, you faggot? How is it "more serious"

>>8803909
>Halo is not a great example of shooters getting “serious”.
as serious as non military shooters can get.
But I'd certainly argue that Halo, FEAR, Killzone and a couple other shooters were essential in setting up the realistic/tacticool looking sci fi trend that more or less dominated all 2000s FPS and TPS shooters with a few exceptions, with halo being stepping stone. Even monsters started looking less like Venom or Spawn and more down to earth.

I'd argue graphics wars led to that trend first of all as you weren't constrained by making instantly noticeable profiles for characters

>>8803919
>How is Halo stylistically different from any of that shit, you faggot?
How many pre halo power armored characters you can think of that didn't look straight out of a comic book

>>8803920
>as serious as non military shooters can get.
Not really. Plenty were named and one of those was Marathon, it’s a far more serious sci-fi story by the same devs. Halo was primarily influential in getting people hooked onto console FPS.

>>8803805
No dude, I meant 3D sculpting, directly in Blender. I find it easy to get into because, at it's core, it's just about pushing and pulling basic shapes around until they look like what you want it to look.
I mean, if you really wanna learn to sculpt, paint, pose and digitize ACTUAL clay then by all means go ahead, that's how they did it back in the day, but trust me, it's just way easier and faster to do it on your computer.
If you feel like trying out 3D, I recommend you watch a couple of this guy's vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoXOplUvAw
They're pretty good for newcomers, they'll help you get your head around how the program works and where the important tools and shortcuts are.

>>8803868
Well you know, I figured from /doom/'s point of view I was just some guy who helped with a project for a couple of weeks then fucked back into anonymity without warning. Not exactly a tale for the ages. But hey, glad to see I did manage to leave my mark in some way!
I've been out of the loop Doom-wise for a while. What's 94 Protons again? Anything I can help with?

>>8803883
Thanks dude! I don't have as much free time as I used to nowadays, but don't worry, I'm sure I'll still manage to make some neat stuff here and there!

>>8803925
you're gonna tell me this doesn't look straight out of a children's cartoon?
I guess bionicles are serious tacticool realistic military drama then.

>>8803940
again
we are talking about character design and overall aesthetics.

And marathon predates the trend set by Quake II. 94 vs 97

Did you read "halo" and forgot the rest of the argument?

Halo looks dumb as fuck but its not the worst offender.

Its just benign and safe.

I think Mass Effect is even more dumb. But I know most of its fans come form me1 and i understand that.

I have no sympathy for Destiny however. That is trying way to hard and failing.

>>8803941
94 Protons of /vr/ is basically the Plutonia themed MApping project that chopblock (aka the guy who provided sprites for 2048 units) is working on the assets for all this time and also real life

>>8803950
Looking back I kind do miss the dumb sci fi Freespace, Stargate era.

Unreal deserved better singleplayer sequels but we just got the multiplayer. And now its too late to go back.

>>8803950
>you're gonna tell me this doesn't look straight out of a children's cartoon?
Yeah. If you remember how monster designs looked like from the 60s to the 90s you'd find they always followed some dumb archetypes.
Not a single ayy lmao design looked like that in late 90s US comics or animated TV.

if I have to name it looks more like stuff like Stargate. No exaggerated limbs, no cartoony facial profile, no "evil" features or thinly veiled allegories to foreign human cultures. Ok maybe i'm giving SG-1 too much credit on that last part.

Whether you like it or not there's two truths:

* 96-2002ish had very cartoony FPSs as a trend
* 2000s on had toned design and aesthetics

I'm arguing the pivot point is Halo, but you can probably find a better example in 2000 or 2001.

But really imagine being so fucking mad at a game you completely derail the argument just to discredit the game. Fucking hell do you like retro FPS or like hating games?

>>8803958
ME was cookie cutter as fuck because they expected you to shag the aliens. They have a couple starfish tier ayylmaos but never as main chars.

>>8803951
>we are talking about character design and overall aesthetics.
Tons of color, lots of aliens including goofy grunts, lots of “pew pew” laser weapons - this is not “serious sci-fi”. I don’t think you have an argument.

>>8803950
>you're gonna tell me this doesn't look straight out of a children's cartoon?
Depends on the cartoon. I can easily see it being a part of something on a mid/late 90s CG show on Toonami.

>>8803960
Daaamn, I suck at Plutonia. I'm gonna have to brush up on the original again before I try to contribute anything.

>>8803979
if anything, the 90s were characterised by a gritty industrial aesthetic, between Duke, Quake, Unreal, Kingpin, DX, Blood, Thief, etc. then mid-2000s everything got lame and generic as fuck. then post-2007 GoW turned everything lame, generic and also brown to the max. your toned down design is just lack of ideas or taste.
Unreal 2, UT2004, DX2 - all of these got more cartoony in mid 00s, not less.

>>8804081
yeah that was the other side of the 90s.

Goofy & edgy

>>8803925
>Halo doesn't look like it's from a comic book
Legit don't understand this zoomer.

>>8804089
>Goofy & edgy
which ones are Thief & Deus Ex? or Half-Life even?

>>8803979
>Not a single ayy lmao design looked like that in late 90s US comics or animated TV.
It looks like an ayy design from a mid 2000s children's cartoon/toyline.

>>8803868
I'M GETTING TO IT

>>8804016
I had to refresh too, it had been a long while. Anyway, give it a soft start on HMP, it's mostly the same except it dials back the surprise rape encounters.

>>8804095
>Legit don't understand this zoomer.
confirmed for never reading post crash 90s comics

>>8804104
exactly. breaking the trend of previous games
>it's an anon discovers FPSs are trendwhore games episode

>>8804098
>HL
both.
>thief
edgy
>deus ex
neither

>>8803645
Tell me how I know you haven't actually played the mission pack, they have the most "FUCK YOU" placement imaginable
You walked through a door WITHOUT peeking out from the frame and inspecting literally every single nook and cranny first? Congrats, now you have 100 HP less because you failed to notice a turret right above the door

>>8804153
so HL alien grunts are goofy, but Halo alien grunts are serious business?

>>8803810
>Quake 2 is not Quake because it's a goofy design aesthetic meant to please kids
??? I know people love to shit on Quake 2 but calling it "goofy" is a first. How exactly is it goofy?
Also if they tried to appeal to kids with Quake 2, then they failed miserably because the game is rated M.

>>8804098
Thief is gritty and edgy
Deus Ex is 100% BASED

>>8803810
And this, even to jannies themselves, is how you spot a underage troll tourist from twitter or youtube.
Guy never played any games at all and is shitting out of his fingers.

>There is no good asian fp-ACK

>>8803753
>Time Splitters
>serious
What?

>>8804167
I played all of it anon, even Citadel and other maps that uses rogue's stuff has the same.

its hard and challenging as i want.

Also i knew some guys who wanted to do a Q2SP Starcraft Unit mod using GLOOM and the old zerg monsters and skins as monsters, but the project went down because at the time, making large trap turret placements like SC Space station tileset would be tiresome.
fortunately Someone though the same and managed to make it work in SC2 SCBW remake which you can play the space station missions in third person.

>>8804115
>give it a soft start on HMP
I said I needed to brush up on it a bit
I didn't say I was a BITCH

>>8804179
>marines being too insane from the torture to follow you
>the factory unit
>didn’t have the disc so no Sonic Mayhem tracks to distract me
When I was a kid I couldn’t sleep the night I made it to the factory because the sounds from it and the marines were stuck in my head.

>>8804242
>We have confirmed visual on troops being....being disassembled.

>>8804153
>confirmed for never reading post crash 90s comics
That's when western comics had largely become irredeemable garbage.

>>8804175
Yeah, not sure how he's thinking here.

>>8804175
>so HL alien grunts are goofy
vortis look like some sort of spec evo deal, grunts look goofy. controllers even more.
but the bigger goof criminals are assassins and doctors.

>>8804179
>How exactly is it goofy?
Tries too hard.

>>8804248
>disassembled from what, their gear?
>oh.
I wonder if they used that “low freq EMP” against the drop-pods in the intro because it would’ve kept their bodies more intact for processing. I’m likely overthinking it.

>>8804198
>all this bullshit because the word halo was mentioned completely ignoring the rest of the argument
right I forget I'm surrounded by manchildren here.

Halo has a tv series.
Which retro fps should have one?

>>8804273
Quake
Episodic series with no dialogue where every episode Ranger must escape from an entirely new dimension and slay a Lovecraftian monster in the end by telefragging it

>>8804273
In theory? I think Blood could work, since the main character is a little more than just a pastiche or blank slate. Maybe just direct adaptation of Blood, or mashing together with Blood 2, because evil cyberpunk theocracy is pretty cool and undead cowboy raising from the grave to kill their god is cool too.

In practice, non, because have you seen Halo?

>>8804280
>because have you seen Halo?
is that bad?

>>8804282
someone post the CGI gun

>>8804262
>Tries too hard
This is your brain on zoomer

>>8804282
It's not good, that's for sure. I'd probably hate it more if I actually played Halo, but regardless there's hardly anything good about it right now.

>>8804273
Blake Stone animated in the Hanna Barbera style

>>8804175
A lot of HL’s initial aliens aren’t “goofier” but they’re certainly weirder, like a bunch of weird alien fauna get ported around Black Mesa and that’s basically what’s happened in-game.

>>8804290

Sin as a 90s biker mice from Mars 90s type cartoon. Skirting between adult edgy with Elexis sexyness, and goofy with mutants.

The silly anime was too meh.

>>8804265
I think that makes sense. Otherwise they would've just used the Big Gun on them if they wanted to kill them quickly but they probably rely on human bodies to survive. Do we even know what a "pure" Strogg looks like?

>>8804280
Friendly reminder to give the Korean “Priest” comic series a try. The creator fanboy’d and loved Caleb and is basically the main character.

>>8804273
I could see Shadow Warrior working as a saturday morning cartoon. Follow Lo-Wang's adventures as he takes on one of Zilla's kooky plots every week!
I wouldn't want it made today though, they would fuck it up. I want it made in the 90's. Get the team that worked on the MIB and Godzilla series to work on it, they had a real flair for adapting stuff into cartoons without sacrificing quality.

Why are my posts getting deleted? Is Quake 2 not on topic? It's a 90s FPS.

Thief was perfect 90s distillation .

I remember the cd cover art could be from a msashing pumpkins album. Very neat.

test

>>8804305
>Do we even know what a "pure" Strogg looks like?
There’s some ideas for the Quake 4 expansion but the series already got ugly at that point and it was being developed by Ritual Games. As of Q2’s time there was no idea about the Strogg or their origins, neatly mysterious.
One theme I appreciated in 2 was how the more advanced Strogg would rely less on “human components”.

>>8804316
discussion got too rude.

>>8803217
>I'm pretty sure it was like 6 years, since 2016.
someone stop time I want to get off

help!

>>8804379
Not before Doom’s 30th anniversary next year where it’ll be three decades old!

>>8804391
Where were you when Doom was create?

>>8804403
4 years old, sneaking into my big brother’s room to play his SNES.

>>8804403
I was also being create.

>>8804403
just about leaving my dad's testicle

>>8804403
I was born right around the time of Wolfenstein 3D released, so I was a little babby still by the time Doom came out.
Boy have I enjoyed those games a lot though.

>>8804391
dspldeth.dmx

>>8804387
keep
ROLLIN
ROLLIN
ROLLIN

>>8803787
I'm back from wagecucking, so hey man, it's Mac. I'm glad to see you again, it was always a joy to have you around.
I ended up buying a VPS for Sunday Night Shitshow and Friday Night Firefight (which will possibly be renamed,) so we're no longer relying on TSPG. Me and the rest of the gang made some little mini-mods for the games. Since you stopped coming in the IRC, we retreated to a discord where we continue to carry out our nefarious deeds and control the doom community to bend to our evil will. That's what we've been up to.

>>8804432
Wait you telling me, that you were trying to pretend to be doominati?

>>8804439
That's right, and you are all at our mercy!
Joking aside, it's mainly just a place for us to manage the events and make maps. We're making a Plutonia episode of our own while 94 Protons gets ready.

>>8804448
>Server name
did the creator of Picodoom made the server?

>>8804449
Nah, that's Redead-ITA and I have no contact with him. Alex made the server, originally created for archiving .swf files we liked and it quickly evolved to have a secondary purpose of planning for /vr/'s events, so I suggested we add the doominati to the name.

>>8804403
I remember watching my dad playing the shareware and being scared shitless but also amazed by how colorful the game was.
man I miss CRTs so much, colors were so much vivid. Too bad they gave me migraines so bad that I felt like smashing my head against the wall

>>8804453
>and I have no contact with him.
Dude, he has a doomworld account, zdoom account, doomerboards account and a fucking newgrounds account, you can get in contact with him with these.
>created for archiving .swf files we liked
Does it have those crappy newgrounds animated doom cartoons?

>>8804465
I know I can get in contact with him, I just don't have a reason to, and he doesn't seem to care about us either. The point is, he's unrelated.
>Does it have those crappy newgrounds animated doom cartoons?
No, but it should. I'll scream at Alex when he comes back from the dead.

>>8803729
That's interesting. Why not make a pull request about it since you know what the problem code is.

>>8804474
Actual Redead here.
Main reason i actually don't join the Fnf and or SNS is mostly because you guys do it in 1 of the morning and i usually don't like to stay up that late to play, regardless if you guys want to invite me or not,
As for ripping sfw from newgrounds, is it a matter of lack of knowledge to get the sfw or you aren't allowed to do so?

>>8804512
Oh and i almost forgot, to explain pic related
I found a way to reuse an old Hudface icon as a powerup indicator for when you get weed powerup.

>>8804483
No idea about that, someone itt explained the behavior to me when talking about gzdoom. Also Graf ain't exactly tolerant of meddling and would probably shoot it down with >working as intended

>>8803573
Holy fucking shit. I did not realize that not only did this merger mean that my beloved MechWarrior would be under a single umbrella once again after a million years, but ALSO that Raven might be able to get its old IP's up off the ground!! I'm literally about to cry.

>>8804526
watch the interview Phil did after the announcement, no mention at all of Blizzard or CoD ip's, he cared most for the old ip's.

>>8804526
>I'm literally about to cry.
>published by microsoft
fuck you and your monkey paw

Also, welcome back Mozza!

By the way mozza, I did a little tribute map for /vr/'s 9th birthday. I thought you'd appreciate it.
https://allfearthesentinel.net/zandronum/download.php?file=vr9years.wad

>>8804432
Yeah, I'm happy to see you're still around too man! I'm surprised you managed to convince people to ditch IRC for Discord. I guess it's cool if everyone's chill about it. Here's hoping it doesn't degenerate like these kind of things tend to.

>I ended up buying a VPS for Sunday Night Shitshow and Friday Night Firefight
Man, fucking great news! Can't wait to check it out!
That actually makes me really glad, cause I always felt bad about not delivering those deathmatch and coop servers I was talking about last year. Not that I ever gave up on it though! In fact a couple months back I was getting fiber internet installed at home. I kept thinking "Alright, I finally gonna be able to host servers for /vr/! What a great way to finally make my comeback!", but then my ISP dicked me around for half a year before telling me they couldn't get it to work in my area. So I'm really happy to see you managed to find an alternative!

>>8804543
Thanks dude!

>>8804546
Holy shit, I'm honored you used the Leather Club as the basis! It's really fucking sweet! And I really love all the little details, like the boner closet or the whole bar area. Great work man!

>>8804546
GotDAM, what did that Knight eat?!

>>8804403
I was an idea in my father's head.
I was born in 2000.
Bless my dad for gifting me a computer when I was 6 months old and bless my mom for having the patience to play Heretic, Hexen and Descent with me when I was 3 years old.

>>8804403
Pennsylvania.

>>8804240

>>8803787
Oh man, I finally get a chance to talk to you! I joined the general a bit after HFFM came out. I streamed the whole thing and got absolutely raped by the cyberdemons at the end of Leather Club. Still my favourite map out of the set though.

>>8804723
Sounds like both of your parents had great ideas.

>>8804820
that was my background pic for years

>>8803787
Welcome back!
My biggest regret is my mapping insecurities preventing me from contributing to HFFM. The end result was fantastic.

>>8803573
based & redpill

>>8804820
Glad you liked it so much! It was real fun to make, especially the process of figuring out stuff like how to get the lights to flicker on a timer, or the whole basement/bathroom event.
Do you happen to have a VOD? I like to see how people react to HFFM the first time they play through it.

>>8804830
That's a shame, if you ever have doubts about joining any future project, my advice would be to just fucking do it anyway. Just go balls deep dude. Best case scenario, your map is accepted and you had no reason to be insecure. Worst case? People will tell you what's wrong with it and help you make it better. Either way, you're bettering your skills so you're never really wasting your time.

>>8804526
Cant fucking wait for mechwarrior mobile.

>>8804897
>my advice would be to just fucking do it anyway
Will definitely heed your advice next time.
By the way, there's also a great HFFM review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJJrePjHuc0&ab_channel=CIA

>>8804897
here is a playthrough steam by tarnsman
https://youtu.be/rE30EmVtVcw

>>8804923
>video title is HFFM, dares not mention the full name
Oh no no this will trigger the schizo

>>8804912
he hated my map. you can tell he was frustrated by it
>>8804923
and he thought my map was one of the purest, most hard and fast.
normie vs skilled doomer

>>8804912
>has CIA as name and profile pic
Anons, I sincerely hope you don't base your entire personalities around 4chan.

>>8804923
>played the older version which had the broken full thrust
Darn, and he didn't even find the secret berserk in the shower room either!

>>8804897
>Do you happen to have a VOD?
Not him, but I think this is it
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QleZRf3UGUM
Anon plays shitwads was fun while it lasted.
>>8804674
Thanks, I threw it together the day before the birthday, and for such little time, I think it turned out pretty good. I was thinking of using this for /vr/ HQ, which I've been holding off on because I knew you had big plans for that.

>>8803275
>DUDE, MS ALREADY OWNS Activision, this 18 month bullshit is just theatrics.
Yes, they're not Nvidia after all. And yet, the deal isn't finished officially yet. Nothing significant can be done until then. Just wait for obvious conclusion.
>>8803573
>if this new WoWXpac announcement turns out to be worse than what it is now
>if
Anon, please... It will be much worse than anyone expects. We're at the point where mobile game announcement sounds exiting since it has more chances to feel like proper Warcraft instead of Shadowlands and Reforged.
>>8804379
Can't even get off my country.
>>8804403
Error 404.
>>8804526
Maybe this would make you a crying bitch:
>“I was looking at the IP list, I mean, let’s go!” Spencer said. “ ‘King’s Quest,’ ‘Guitar Hero,’ … I should know this but I think they got ‘HeXen.’ ”
>I should know this but I think they got ‘HeXen.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/01/20/xbox-activision-blizzard-phil-spencer/
>>8804535 knows the stuff.

>>8804526
>my beloved MechWarrior would be under a single umbrella
what? I thought piranha was owned by some swedes
are we free at las?

Which retro fps protagonist can hold their drink the best?

>>8805218
well forever shows duke is the biggest lightweight, and caleb isn't exactly a baseline human (and was a 19th century texan to begin with) so he probably doesn't even feel booze anymore

>>8805243
Forever isn't cannon.

Am I going fucking crazy, or is the interpolation in Eternity Engine just not very smooth? I've been comparing it to GZDoom and PrBoom-plus, and Eternity seems a bit more choppy.

>>8805331
DNF is a deconstruction of retro FPS. It broke new ground.

The extensive process of lighting this cave begins. I think I'm going to make the cave itself have a nice dark blue ambient light to contrast with the red from the lava within the ravine.

Trying to play Ancient Aliens in prboom+. When I go through the wolf warp, there's no howling at all, and the music doesn't kick in until well after the warp.

Anyone know why?

>>8805546
according to the text file, which you should always read,
>Additionally, in Zdoom-based ports and Eternity, ACS is used to play sound effects occasionally. This is way more cool than it sounds.
whatever ACS they used to do it isn't in the boom family
also it uses the outdated mapinfo instead of umapinfo so the episode stuff doesn't show up despite being supported, minor issue but eh

>>8805560
I found the workaround for umapinfo. Just downloaded it separately
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122892-umapinfo-appreciation-thread/

But yeah, I guess I should read those readme. I'd honestly switch to Eternity Engine entirely, but >>8805430

>>8805569
>>8805430
And I've just now realized that Eternity Engine runs at 35 fps by design. Welp, just answering my own questions tonight.

>>8805582
this is why having gz around isn't a bad idea, AA on boom strict preset is fine as long as you go through the motions in the grafix settings to not look like graf's shit

>>8805598
Well, you have to keep gz around, anyway. Plenty of mods will ONLY work on that. But I do prefer playing on other source ports when I can.

booby trap

>>8805615
???

>>8805598
gzDoom is a port of a 1994 game that somehow lags on my machine, which I find deeply offensive.

>>8805797
It's got all of Hexen mashed in there too, so it's more like a game from 1995 if you really think about it.

>>8805797
GZD is an engine, not a game. It just so happens to run a 1994 game.
Also, they have introduced toaster support some time ago.

>>8803435
your work is fantastic

>>8805615
>MetaDoom
>no Meta Deus Ex

>>8804403
I was reading doom related magazines in the womb

>>8800826
Can you name them Anon?

>>8800813
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Arrival

Arrival was added to the Unity port

>>8805928
>someone already posted it

nvm im retard

>>8800826
>dinosaurs gzdoom dinosaur mods
>ass skill tricks
>thy pistol sprites

>>8805615

>>8805905
All of them? KEK.

>>8805470
I love how this looks already

>>8805470
I recognize these statues. Where are they from?

>>8804403
mom's ovaries

>>8804426
WHAT?

>>8805928
nice. i really like the architecture in that one

>>8800826
>far best gog install
Name yours.

what in the goddamn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmfNLnSB0vY

>>8806206
Clive Barker's Undying, probably on account of not having any others.

>tried Alien Vendetta few months ago
>hated it
>played a shitton of fun .wads with bullshit traps
>now Alien Vendetta is fun
>Sunlust on HMP is also chill for most of the .wad, still not out of my league on later maps
Have I made it brehs?

>>8806245
>not pistol starting sunlust on nightmare and chopping off a finger joint for each death
shamefur dispray

>>8806240
where do monoeyes get off being so cute?
it's unfair

>>8806242
I still don't know if I like that game or not. Running around with the scythe and a fully amped up haste spell was fun though.

>>8806240
evileyecunny~

>>8806097
thanks
>>8806113
serious sam TSE, which is what I'm mapping for lol

>>8806242
Was it the first to let you shoot something while “casting spells”? It also had lengthy but decent writing from what I recall.

Yo, i just finished working on a small texture pack for quake mapping, if you all are interested i can share a link to it!

>>8805582
>Eternity Engine runs at 35 fps by design
? So does Doom? Pic related

15 minute epic midi by jimmy
https://youtu.be/Kwg3MneZX5k
who will be the first to use it in a map?

>>8806412
I'm gonna use it, the longest and most epic midi, for the shortest and most noobish level, just like I did in HFFM
jk this would be good for 94 proteins of /fit/ map30

>>8806397
Sometimes I like uncapped but most of the time it makes me puke.
It's like watching a soap opera, it looks floaty and unnatural.

>>8806420
...but 35 frames per second is natural to you

>FTE
Extremely customisable, but has visual and performance issues.
>vkQuake
Not customisable enough, but excellent performance. Trailing behind QSS in features
>QSS
Not as customisable enough. Missing visual features of vkQuake.
>Darkplaces
Cringe

>>8806428
What do you customize?
t. quakelet
Also what about Mark V

>>8806432
Stuff like HUD and crosshair are hard as fuck to mod on QSS

On the matter of Quake: is there any weapon mod outthere that adds altfire functionality to the guns?
Or maybe just an alternative set of guns that are actually good?
Preferably something that can be used with map packs like jams and such.
I remember seeing something like this a while back that added guided rockets and remotely explodable grenades but can't find it now.

>>8806432
I've got a vanilla+ config that I've made that I really like. It takes hours to get it right, but you can tweak everything to get it how you want. Small blob shadows under enemies, improved viewmodel animations, underwater effects etc
It's just let down by performance issues and small graphics issues on mods.
There's something to be said for how vkQuake/QSS "just werks".
I haven't tried MarkV, it's legacy, no?

>>8806418
>94 proteins of /fit/
What would that be, a pre-workout whey powder mix enriched with plutonium?

>>8806547
no, it's the diet to gain nuclear fusion tier gains.
for breakfast you eat a berserk pack
then lift weights for 10 hours straight
then at lunch you eat a berserk pack
and do a 100km run
if you have some free time, do more weight lifting till dinner where you eat another berserk pack, and then you practice punching the everloving shit out of wall (preferably concrete or metal).
keep going untill you can break concrete with your fingers.

Are there any good out there concept wads?
I had a thought about something existential but aside from pure unfun gimmick tier I got nothing
(e.g. depressive catatonia represented by spawning in a bed surrounded by teleporter linedefs that telefrag yourself, needing to futilely fend off pinkies with just a pistol and fists for a set time until the level ends, or anxiety about perfectionism being a distant shootable switch with zero margin for error that necessitates the right height on an excessive amount of steps as well while a voodoo crusher counts down)

>>8806685
actually the bed would make more sense if it just teleported you back to the center of the bed

>>8806428
Just use Quakespasm you autist

>>8806428
Ironwail

>>8806554

>>8806240
how?
>mortal kombat doom is from gzdoom 2.0
HOW?

EXPLAIN THIS BULLSHIT

>>8806240
The intended way to play

>>8806763
It's also compatible with zandronum and supports 4 players.

>>8806486
>legacy
I don't even know what that means in terms of Quake ports. I just like it because it has a software mode which looks just like Quake did when I originally played it as a kid. By the time I played Quake, I had already played Goldeneye, so even back then the non-interpolated animations looked janky to me at first, but I still prefer it this way 'cause it's actually kinda scarier and more other-worldly. My experience tells me the original campaigns and expansions look better in software mode because the levels were designed with this in mind and it looks way better, and new stuff like DOPA should be played in OpenGL because the levels were designed with it in mind and it looks way better

>>8802725
>Sock and Than
I've heard good things about those guys too so definitely gonna look into them. JCR and dumptruck as well.

damn they ugly

>94 pogroms of /pol/

Which retro fps has the most balanced or fleshed out arsenal? I mean every weapon having it's own use without feeling redundant or useless. I think Doom 2 and Quake are very close to perfection, with Doom's only weapon feeling outclassed being the Chainsaw, and maybe the Pistol but I think it's not a bad thing having a shitty starting weapon. In case of Quake I'd say the only issue is that the Thunderbolt feels too similar to Super Nailgun in a way, since they're both fast powerful weapons which can waste ammo quick. I've noticed Build games often have a very big selection of weapons, but there are often some that feel too gimmicky to use when you could use a more reliable and often faster alternative.

>>8806947
It's not retro but Amid Evil's weapon roster is concise and fantastic. Every weapon is at least mechanically useful and most are thematically amazing on top of that.
Your rocket launcher is a staff that shoots planets.

>>8806947
In terms of pure balance, Doom, sure, but that doesn't automatically make it the funnest to use. I'm finding I like Blood's arsenal the most. With Quake, the shotgun and nailgun are pretty useless once you get the upgrades.

If I were to make a megawad, I'd nerf the BFG by increasing ammo consumed, in order to let the plasma gun shine. There is a wad that halves the plasma gun's rate-of-fire while increasing base damage from 5 to 12, but I dunno if I'd change the plasma gun because the fast flow of plasma is really cool. I'd nerf the SSG; currently, the SSG will fire the very instant you shut it, so you can change the codepointer to PlaySound instead of whatever it is currently (I forget) so that it plays the sound and goes through the rest of the normal closing frames before you can refire; and I'd replace the shotgun with an automatic shotgun so that the double-barrel is the normal one and the fully-auto is an absolutely devastating weapon upgrade, it'd be better than the Valiant chaingun at close range, but the double-barrel is 50% more ammo efficient

>>8806428
What is the customization you feel is missing from something like QSS? It's just as configurable as Darkplaces, do you mean the lighting or post process effects?

>>8806425
Nah, but I got used to it.

>>8806947
I feel like Shadow Warrior covers the most of the niches and does it better than others and also avoid making something completely useless, but I can't prove it.

>>8806947
Quake’s might be my favorite. The explosives are greatly balanced, the shotguns are decently balanced, and my biggest concerns are with the regular nail gun and axe. For Doom 2 the shotgun gets outclassed pretty hard by the super shotgun and chaingun, and the plasma rifle varies between “niche” to “never used” when you pick up a BFG
Quake was also the first to realize the ‘superweapon’ slot should get its own unique ammo source, something they’d sadly forget for Quake 2.

Shadow Warrior also has a decent weapon line up.

Is there a standard data/.pak file directory variable for quake like there is DOOMWADDIR for doom? I'm using directory junctions currently

>>8806394
I have no clue what im looking at.

>>8807026
The shotgun is still pretty useful for sniping enemies at long range, its way less useless than something like the pistol

What are the rules for 94 Protons? Boom compatibility with the Plutonia texture pack?

>>8807205
Rules and asset pack pending, but I'm pretty sure we're targeting MBF21.

>>8807205
It hasn't started yet. There's some resources underway but chop is taking for fucking ever to finish them. MBF21 is the format we're using
>What the fuck is this MBF21?
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MBF21

>>8807163
you are looking at a test room anon
it's litterally what you are seeing.
the ceiling is a computer grid sky
the Walls are purple checkerboard look
there is a waterfall in the front

This is Xonxt, say something nice about him.

>>8807207
>>8807209
Thanks dudes. I was under the impression that he was just redoing sprites, I didn't realize he was doing a whole new set of textures as well!
Chop, if you're reading this, is there anything you could use a hand with? I'm sure I could help lighten your workload at least a bit.
In the meantime, I'll get started on my map's layout and save the detailing for when we get the final assets I guess.
By the way,

>>8807165
You’re getting more damage per second with the chaingun and you can be autistically accurate with its burst fire.

>>8807241
cant wait for the Nihilanth mod.

>>8806394
gimme, I want to make cartoonish maps

>>8801297
So a general tip: in spite of the whole "rip and tear" meme and the game tracking your kill percentage, sometimes the best solution is to just run like hell. For a new player getting to the next map alive is more important than doing a "perfect" run especially because lots of levels are bugged and you can't get 100% anyway

>>8802729
Wasn't it almost called something else and then renamed Quake 2 at the last minute?

>>8807248
>By the way,
Did they just kill anon before he could finish his post? What kind of confidential information did he have?

>>8807284
Yeah, Wor I believe.

>>8807295
>working on 94 protons
it had to be done. sorry anon

>>8805463
It broke new ground by peeing on it.

>>8806929
t.

>>8807269
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RWhHOpsiEmgzWeb6CQOunImcvdTD1J91/view?usp=sharing
here you go, the map from the example is also there too.

>>8807353
>Google Drive
Not downloading your virus

>>8807362
what else you want me to post it?
in catbox?

>>8807365
Mail me a floppy, I'll try it on my reserve box with no connection

>>8807394
Alright stay there, i shall send you via Mail mortar.

>>8804912
>he shits on maps I liked
>he says my map is really good even though most people ignored it/kinda liked it/disliked it
>he says midi for my map is good even though most people complained and transman straight changed it with idmus
Interesting to see how people see maps differently - nice review and good to see coverage of our projects as always - we should not be ashamed of our wads. Especially since their such good quality n' all...

>>8807434
It gets bigger when I UNF on it.

>>8804448
There's a /vr/ discord?

>>8807446
Not officially. This is just our circlejerk for planning SNS/FNF, and more recently, mapmaking.

Damn, Shadow Warrior is cool, it was a long time since a game got me so hooked. And I still have the expansions to beat.

>>8807441
hmmmMMMMMM?
>>8807248
Any additional enemies besides boss are planned?

>>8806240

>>8806451
>Preferably something that can be used with map packs like jams and such
Sadly mods can't be easily combined in Quake. You're out of luck with map jams because most of them use one mod or another (Arcane Dimensions, Copper, progs_dump).
Try to get used to vanilla arsenal, it's actually good. >>8807026 mentioned two of it's biggest downsides. I'd even disagree on Axe. It deals considerable amount of damage, useful to sneak a hit on stunned enemy without wasting ammo.

>>8806994
>ezhud
>gunx, guny, gunz
>blob shadows
>viewmodel animations
there's too many to mention

>>8807495
Just recently played the first episode for the first time. The shit they do blows my mind.

The waving flag, the fucking bunnies that give birth and grow and fuck more bunnies, the flying carpet, the fully drivable and shooting tanks, the remote controlled car. There's like 20 more things I could point out. Even the enemy ai that ducks behind boxes and shit. It's so cool. No idea why I didn't play it for so long.

Also, possibly the best first level ever.

>>8807205
>>8807207
This is the rough I have sketched out in my head.

>MBF21 map format.
>Target is DSDA, as well as GzDoom (things which don't work in GzDoom will be part of a GzDoom patch).
>3 episodes, at least 5 maps each.
>Not too rigid in theming, shit can be abstract and mixed.
>However, E1 would aim towards jungle outdoors, caves, and ruins, E2 would be more about run down techbases and some hell, while E3 can be a little bit whatever but it should generally be hell themed, either outright hell, or one of the previously named themes warped by hell. Green marble/stone only allowed in E3.

>Most maps should be fairly short, because most of Plutonia's maps aren't very long, but we'll have a couple of longer ones because Plutonia also had a few of those, so 2048x2048 is a suggestion, but not a rule.
>Largely Plutonia style gameplay.
>1 Dead Simple clone allowed, probably in E1, up to 2 Hunted clones are allowed, but they should go in different episodes, also 1 slaughtermap allowed, probably as a secret, because Plutonia had 1 of those.
>Except for the first and last maps of each episode, every level starts with a classic-ish looking Plutonia warp pad.
>Death exits allowed, but normal exits should always be available at the least as a secret, and death exits should be visibly distinct from normal exits (they'll have a red ominous glow/burn and noise or something).

>Normal monsters and weapons (except for cosmetic enhancements for weapons), but each episode has a boss which is different from the normal monsters.
>New textures, largely derived from Doom, Doom 2, and Final Doom ones.
>Some new decorations and props.
>A couple of added environmental hazards, mainly just a different looking barrel for not-tech hell levels and also Doom 64 style dart shooters.

>>8807248
Well, what do you want to do?

>>8807295
There's things not yet meant to be known.

>>8807637
>Doom 64 style dart shooters
Niiiiice.

>>8807637
>E3 isn't that weird super-hell thing that Plutonia had with pic related as a skybox.
Boyo, if this gets enough maps, then you better be writing an E4 into the mix.

I think you're talking to Mozza so maybe he can whip up another boss fight, something truly grand and not just palette swapped demons.

>>8807649
I love this sky so much.

>>8807649
Oh, I'm going to use a sky like that, but I want to do one which is different.
Uh, I guess we could do an E4 if we get a bunch of maps, potentially a special theme could be devised for it or something, based on how much work people are willing to do (I don't expect everyone to stick on for months and months and then redo a bunch of shit on a whim).

>I think you're talking to Mozza so maybe he can whip up another boss fight
He should check his inbox.

>>8807657
>if we get a bunch of maps
You will.
I'm going to make sure you do. Just like you did with 2048.

>>8807637
No Ad Mortem Gargoyles or Satyrs?

>>8807660
Gargoyles were fun, but I'd like copies of the vanilla flying enemies, but spawned on the ceiling.

>>8807659
Ganbare.

>>8807660
We discussed some custom enemies, but it seemed people had either lukewarm or no interest in it. Both a zombie with a plasma rifle, and a zombie with a rocket launcher but a long and telegraphed windup, were suggested.

Perhaps something akin to the gargoyles or satyrs could be suggested, but the little gargoyle dudes almost feel like they wouldn't fit thematically. Perhaps they could be redesigned?

>>8807637
Alright, I'd like to reserve a spot for the second episode then. I got a pretty neat underground/tech/kinda-hellish level idea that would fit right in the early to mid game.

>Well, what do you want to do?
Monster and weapon sprites. I never tried doing textures before so it ain't exactly my forte but I should still know enough to help out in a pinch.
Also yeah like >>8807649 said I can make you a boss render if you already have an idea/design in mind.

>>8807657
>He should check his inbox.
I did, but I don't see anything new since yesterday. I sent you a quick reply, maybe you didn't get it?

>>8807637
>>8807668
>I'd like to reserve a spot for the second episode then
same here, Im the submarine map start guy so preferably first map of that episode since I dont wanna ditch it for the generic plutonia start portal

>>8807662
That would be marvelous. I'd love a trap where Cacos descend from a false ceiling.
>>8807664
I think both of those fit in with just about any other Doom enemy, at least the Imps and Nobles.

Thoughts on Far Cry (2004)?

ANOTHER doom map pack?

What if i replace pinkies with pitbulls?

>>8800813
this >>8806394 >>8807353
should be in the next news post

>>8807687
hard nerf since doomguy is over the age of 5

>>8807681
I am all for a serious sam map pack sometime, but people would have to commit to learning SED for the project to succeed. And I seriously don't know how many people are willing to learn a brand new editor that's lacking in the tutorial department.
>A Serious Case of /vr/

cacaodemon

>>8807668
Oh and this is totally off topic but could I get a cock.li invite? I'm on #vr

>>8807702
>mapping for Serious Sam
What ""level design"" is there for this series? It's all just big empty fields or huge indoor chambers with waves upon waves of enemies, rise and repeat. Serious Sam is the antithesis of this thread in every conceivable way.

>>8807681
You know, you're free to start a community project whenever you want. If you want to start a project for Nerves of Steel or whatever the fuck then go right ahead, nobody is stopping you.
>>8807664
weeb lol
But thanks

>>8807749
It takes effort to design waves upon waves of monsters in a way that is engaging to fight, even if in a flat arena.

>>8807749
>It's all just big empty fields or huge indoor chambers
Not at all.

>>8807034
-basedir
but it's a launch parameter, not a variable.
basedir should contain your id1 folder, and can be relative.
some engines support -basegame as well.

>>8807749
You can do so much with the level design for serious sam, from cramped dungeon corridors to huge arena battles. Plus there's a variety of tools that Doom could ever dream of using for encounter designs like jump pads, portals, gravity markers, and an actual event system.
Also, Doom isn't exempt from big empty fields or huge indoor chambers with waves upon waves of enemies. What do you think all those slaughter maps are? Heck, I'd say slaughter in Doom has nothing on Sam's combat when it comes to huge waves. If you're not spamming the BFG it can be pretty tedious. Meanwhile Sam gives you way more options for dealing with hordes of enemies. Quality level design for Sam makes sure every option is helpful.

>>8807708
Sure, you still on there?

>>8807662
That should be pretty easy to do, I think as far as DSDA and GzDoom are concerned, they should behave as normal enemies.
Probably wouldn't conflict notably with any potential GzDoom gameplay mod someone wanted to use either. A couple of the custom things would call for a compat patch, but it should largely be pretty basic and straigthforward to write one for a lot of mods.

>>8807668
GMail for some reason thought it was spam, even though it was a reply to a mail I sent. Thank you Google, that's what I had come to expect from Outlook, not GMail, so that's a new low.
I do have a partial final boss, who could maybe do some enhancements.

As for a potential E4, perhaps the boss there could be some sort of overgrown Pain Elemental thing which vomits little spider enemies at a Chaingunner rate, because I saw someone suggest that once and it sounded extremely funny and horrible. Could maybe just be something like those old Doom 3-ish Tick/Trite enemies, weak health and attack, but he spews out a bunch of them quickly so you have a strong incentive to stun him as to not get swarmed.
I also almost wrote the spoiler tags as [spider][/spider] just now.

>>8807817
>Spoiler
The Painhive: a flying dauber nest of mouths that spits out (possibly undercooked/weaker) lost souls (or a new enemy like you described) and fireballs in large bursts / wild directions.

>>8807832
>spoiler
Doom 64 pain elemental on crack, I love it

>>8807817
>>8807832
Imagine a really big pain elemental that spits out pain elementals

>>8803668
I can't get this to run. I get an "RT:3" error.

>>8807817
>>8807832
The little enemies could look like a mix between a spider and a lost soul. Like some sort of mutant skull with spider legs that jumps around or something.

>>8807930
Doom 3 trites?

>>8807749
this one area right past the intro has more interesting encounters in three minutes than the entirety of Wrath demo.
but it's true that aside from Tomb of Ramses none of the TFE levels are interesting structurally. still, it shows that it's possible at least.

>>8807702
I don't mind learning an editor, the issue for me is that there are a hundred official versions with different physics and whatnot, and meanwhile I can't even get an old save file to load with inventory. but I'd make a map if another anon started the project at some point.

>>8807817
>overgrown Pain Elemental thing which vomits little spider enemies at a Chaingunner rate
>he spews out a bunch of them quickly so you have a strong incentive to stun him as to not get swarmed
I like it. It can have a 100% pain chance to compensate for the fact that it spawns little demons at a tremendous rate. I posted the crackling idea, but for this, the little nibbling demonlets would be better

>>8807664
>Perhaps something akin to the gargoyles or satyrs could be suggested, but the little gargoyle dudes almost feel like they wouldn't fit thematically. Perhaps they could be redesigned?
Is there a plan to finish or are you going to keep adding stuff?
Barring last minute custom enemies, are you just working on the boss enemy sprites at this point? Only a few maps are going to use those enemies so maybe the rest of us can get started if you put out the resources. It seems like a new anon starts pre-mapping every week and at this rate, few maps will actually be making use of the resources.

>>8807749
based
serious sam is seriously garbage. every fight is solved by backstrafing and shooting into a pack of enemies
so fucking boring

>>8807942
>is that there are a hundred official versions with different physics and whatnot
???
You would just have to make sure you're using the 1.07 version of The Second Encounter (there are a lot of bugs with the first encounter's editor and so many nice features are added in TSE). It's the most up to date version on Steam and also in the mega links in the OP.

>>8807954
I meant the HD/Revolution/Fusion stuff.
see, even though you've described the house rules and I still have no idea if the map is going to run in those.

>>8807960
No, this project would be mapping for the classic version. Not HD/Fusion (and most definitely not Revolutions).

>>8807934
Oh, huh, yeah. In my defense, I still haven't played Doom 3 yet so that sounded like a real novel idea to me when I posted that

>>8807962
well - WHY not?
last time I've replayed the original I noticed that directional sound often sucks ass. I can test my own map in classic no problem, but I bet I'd prefer to actually play the pack in something else.
anyway, none of this is a deal breaker, just making my thought process known.

>>8807963
Doom 3 has its strengths, and its weaknesses, some like it, some don't. It's different from the classic games, in ways which are good, and in ways which maybe aren't so good.
Some like the dark horror aspect, but personally I think that Doom 3's horror isn't actually very good, and mostly just clumsily gets in the way of the combat, so I find that a flashlight mod of some sort makes the game flow much better.

As much as it's popular to dunk on it, people do also swipe ideas or even assets from it at times.