/vr/ - Retro Games

metal sonic was cool at least, and the opening

Sonic 1 was the peak though, Spring Yard Zone stands the best zone in the series.
CD is based though, only brainlets don't get the time travel mechanic.

>>8805008
1, 2, CD, and 3K are collectively the peak.

>>8805017
>only brainlets don't get the time travel mechanic
Is not figuring out how to time travel an actual problem people have?
You literally just gotra go fast.

>>8805008
No, pic related is peak Sonic. Fite me irl.

>>8805075
Forgot pic. Fite me irl.

>>8805082
>posting the inferiour version

>>8805038
People who bitch about the time travel usually just don't understand the level design, how the game is a big theme park of gimmicks and you're supposed to explore around them to find safe ways to maintain speed in order to time travel.
Admittedly, its not very intuitive or what anybody really wants to do in a Sonic game. I don't blame people for not enjoying CD, its like biting into a chocolate bar and tasting cheddar.
>inb4 food analogy

>>8805105
Another factor to have into account is that like 90% of people who have played Sonic CD nowadays have played the HD romhack by Taxman, which removed the timer reset mechanic, which was a vital part for exploring the big levels.

>>8805105
>have to hold right/left for extended periods of time to TT
>game throws walls, spikes and enemies in your way to say “haha fuck you”
>sometimes even you have space to fall for 5-9 seconds or bounce between springs, you don’t get the white shine to TT because “haha fuck you”
>sometimes even after you hit a past sign, the only viable runway goes right through a fucking future sign

CD is trash

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the peak of video games.

>>8805391
Have you tried getting good?

>>8805391
You can ignore the past entirely and just take the patrician approach of collecting all the time stones to auto-goodfuture the entire game.

>>8805471
yes. Thats why I said sometimes even you have space to fall for 5-9 seconds or bounce between springs, you don’t get the white shine to TT because the game says “haha fuck you”

>>8805487
I've played through Sonic CD more times than I can count and not once has the game made the required time travel running duration randomly different. That's all in your head.

>>8805514
its absolutely not, because I played it 2 weeks ago and had it happen to me

>>8805515
I believe that you believe the game does that.

>randomly introduce the time travel system that had nothing to do with any of the other sonics before.

No it wasnt.

>>8805528
Sonic always had an environmentalist nature vs. technology theme to it which implicitly refers to a concept of good vs. bad futures.

>>8805105
Once you hit the time travel sign. You cant reactivate it. So if you want to explore how to do it. You have to keep restarting the whole level ?
You can only go right or left. So i dont know how you think its such a big thing. So if you hit the time travel sign and you are going right. But you cant keep the speed up long enough. Because of obstacles. You should just go left next time ?

>>8805538
>But you cant keep the speed up long enough. Because of obstacles. You should just go left next time ?
Or maybe you could jump over the obstacle instead of running into it like a retard.

>>8805541
>or you can just know ahead of time where enemies are while trying to use a main gameplay mechanic as its attended

>>8805545
If you get better at video games you can notice and continue around obstacles without needing to slow down.

Every body always forgets the ireking.

>>8805634
This had no right being so fun.

>>8805038
https://youtu.be/4FTSCYpAXoU

>>8805105
It's not really that fun though. It's just a gimmick to show off the fact that they made different tilesets for every level, and it comes at the expense of level design.

>>8806147
Why did he have to do that to his poor system for 20 minutes straight?

>>8805008
CD is fucking terrible and I'm annoyed how many people have said this shit and meant it.
It was a matter of its exclusivity. Just because it was so hard to access, everyone who DID access it, pretended it was amazing. It was not even DECENT.

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>>8806186
No, that's bullshit. Knuckles Chaotix was on a Genesis addon most people didn't have too but obviously Sonic CD was great while Knuckles Chaotix wasn't.

here comes the king

>>8806186
>posts weeb shit
>says sonic cd is bad
go bac to redit

>>8806241
Artless swine.

>>8806219
Sonic CD had all these amazing cutscenes and music to rip. And it also coined the de facto Metal Sonic that became the centerpiece of the OVA that everyone saw.

So it seemed like Sonic CD was this blessed font of all goodness.
>Surely it also plays well
-everyone thought. And the people who had actually played it, FUCKING LIED.
They may have thought they were doing everyone a favor. Why ruin their imagination by telling them the truth?
But they did lie.
Sonic CD blows. It's just like Chrono Cross. All these amazing aesthetics, and a terrible game.

>>8806186
Retard post and cope mentality.

>>8806241
sonic cd is the most weeb sonic game. its fans will even try to tell you DOOD DOOD SONICU WALLIOL is better than sonic boom

>>8806271
i think cd is meh but i'm pretty sure its players did like the gameplay at the time. mind you all we even had besides it were sonic 1, 2 and a couple of relatively obscure game gear games. and because cd doesn't really have an equivalent to say, marble zone or metropolis zone, i definitely see how it automatically could've been deemed the best by some fans at the time. not to mention how technically impressive the sprawling levels and redbook soundtrack were at the time. it's only really from the polish 3&k brought that cd's flaws become readily apparent.

>>8806621
>all we even had besides it were sonic 1, 2 and a couple of relatively obscure game gear games.
Include Sonic CD and you've pretty much got the entire series right there. It's only missing Sonic 3 & Knuckles, the final Sonic game. Adventurebabies can fuck off.

>>8806528
I've already replied to you.
Get a fucking personality, someone else has yours.

>>8806621
>i think cd is meh but
Okay.

>>8806637
>doesn't know other people think ur gay
sad

>>8806598
i dont think so, sure its sonic the anime but its not weeb garbage

>>8806631
cd is no more consistently good than the adventure games, same with 1. really the inconsistencies everyone blows up so hard about the adventure games were always a factor in the series

>>8805391
Stop sucking ass at the game then, whiny bitch.

>>8806651
>cd is no more consistently good than the adventure games
I really wish this were actually bait and not a sincere opinion.

>>8806598
>theme song was written and sung by an American man
anon…

>>8806809
you can disagree all you want but if you ask me the adventure games mostly just inherit what was already clunky about the classics. picrel is pretty much an sa2 mech stage and was even included for the same pacing reasons.

>>8806820
Marble Zone sucks because it's slow, and just after a stage where you got to be so fast, so it's this major buzzkill.
But at NO POINT is it confusing where you're supposed to go next, or what is happening. That problem plagues the entirety of Sonic CD.

yet another example of inherited clunk. anons who cry about how confusing sa2's hunting stages are will defend picrel with "lmao git gud".

No, this is peak sonic

>>8805537
but the good futures are fully integrated with technology as well?

>>8805537
In the comic and cartoon maybe. The games always had "fun technology" zones (Spring Yard, Casino Night). Robotnik's robot city stages were just more intimidating before Sonic went 3D and turned into a baby game with silly "Doctor Egg Man".

>>8806621
>cd doesn't really have an equivalent to say, marble zone or metropolis zone
Wacky Workbench.

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>>8805008
>This is the peak of the Sonic franchise. Everything it means to be Sonic was perfected here.

>>8807334
what about it is comparable to either

>>8805008
Toot toot, sonic warrior.

>>8807371
It’s full of cheap shots and forces you to platform slowly so you don’t get bounced up into electrical grid hell.

Sonic CD is the true successor to Sonic 1, in the sense that you really get rewarded for mastering the speed and physics, but at the same time bad players can cruise through the game using the casual paths in levels.

This is what every idiot who claims "Sonic isn't fast" or "you get punished for going fast" don't get about the game design. It's not about going fast all the time, it's about going fast and mastering the physics in the right places and find the rewards when doing so. I think Adventure and it's fast "press forward to go fast and win" design ruined how people see Sonic.

>>8805008
Opinion: right down the shitter like your brain right before you made this thread.

>>8807167
There's always been a certain undercurrent of technology bad, just not really done very well, or properly committed to. Sonic wears running shoes, that are probably made in a sweatshop in real life.

>>8806186
This is bullshit. The game was on PC 3 years after the Sega CD version and was also the best selling Sega CD game. This is more twitter/reddit misinformation.

>>8805008
>This is the peak of the Sonic franchise.
No. Mania is.
inb4 >hurr not retro
seethe

>>8807167
>In the comic and cartoon maybe. The games always had "fun technology" zones (Spring Yard, Casino Night).
Listen here you little shit. Chemical Plant Zone and Oil Ocean Zone weren't about "fun technology." They were exactly what I said I already: instances of an environmentalism undercurrent in the Sonic series. The sky is orange in Oil Ocean Zone like modern day China. Oil almost never gets used together with ocean in a sentence unless we're talking about pollution / oil spills.
And you break open robot enemies to free little woodland creatures you fucking idiot. Don't reply.

>>8809136
sa1 has plenty of bits where you can use the physics to sequence break/find secrets and levels like speed highway and red mountain have plenty of alternate paths like the classics. secret rings is when the series really became hold forward to win though yeah i could see how sa2 planted the seeds. really wish they never bothered with trying to get 60 fps on dreamcast cause i think that's the real reason its so much more linear than its prequel and it seems post-dreamcast sonic team learned all the wrong lessons from it.

>>8809726
its cope that the game they like might contain politics they don't. though 'nature vs technology' is a misinterpretation imo. its moreso about exploiting nature vs working with it, which is why the good futures still contain advanced tech, just not at the expense of the environment. doesn't help with shit like anprim feudalistic satam muddying the waters

No, in fact it's a lot of things that are anti-Sonic yet it turned out good anyways. Sonic physics aren't made for exploration, but that's what the game wants you to do more than anything. The level design suffers when it comes to just speeding through like a normal Sonic game, but that's because the levels are fully traversable front to back. It's an incredibly well designed game, but it isn't Sonic-y at all.

>>8809975
exploration using the speed and physics is pretty much entirely what makes sonic interesting lol. its just that the other genesis games use it more cleverly and more importantly keeps it optional for more skilled players whereas cd awkwardly forces you to dick around everywhere otherwise you'll just unsatisfyingly blow through every level in five seconds. you have to force yourself to play the levels how they're supposed to be played. doesn't help that the level gimmicks themselves are either tepid and unmemorable or just outright annoying, the latter of which feeding into this idea that sonic isn't meant for exploration despite the game constantly demanding it.

like half of picrel is just watching sonic roll around in tubes and yet cd's pseudo-purist fanboys are always the first to cry about muh automation in the adventure games. if they made sonic's eyes green in cd they'd probably bitch about it just the same.

>>8805008
yeah hiking around the level looking for robot generators is really what sonic is about, no not using the physics to get around the level that would be too much fun, you gotta have shitty level design. Astute insight OP

>>8805105
what's wrong with food analogies?

>all the anti-CD seething itt
Bunch of plebs who only played the flawed HD remake.

>>8806186
emulation was around forever, i mean dude sonic romhacking was massive back in the day so even dumb kids were going around playing mega drive games on their dad's pc
>>8806219
chaotix was always an esoteric game that had basically no documentation, so everybody assumed it was good because the graphics and music were nice. Then around 2015 zoomers downloaded the rom, realised it was shit and made youtube videos about it

>>8810030
you have to control the direction you go, like most classic Sonic games with tubes

>>8810049
literally nobody is complaining about the bugs in the iphone freeware version

https://tiermaker.com/create/all-classic-sonic-zones-160791

R8 and h8.

>>8810123
I didn't like Titanic Monarch near as much as you but other than that that's some pretty solid taste.

>>8810123
i still haven't finished mania

>>8810123
first one bc its the kino one

>>8806648
I don't think you know what weeaboo means

>>8805008
>sonic but it plays like a britbong platformer

>>8806598
You Can Do Anything>Sonic Boom
Sonic CD sucks

>>8806598
The US OST is pure shit.

>>8811050
ok weeb

>>8811057
Don't know what that is but as European I grew up with the proper soundtrack.

>>8811057
kys amerifat

>>8811085
>Don't know what that is
ok liar trying to look cool. where do you think you are?

ITS NOT A WEEB GAME BAKA GAIJIN DESU

>>8807167
you're seriously gonna tell me a game with a level called chemical plant zone and a level where you blow up an oil rig is not environmentally themed?

>>8807167
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2010/10/naka-sonic-created-with-environmental-themes/

“Dr Robotnik is a slightly radical representation of all humanity and the impact humanity is having on nature. In 1991, it was a very sensitive subject to talk about the environment and while I had my viewpoint, I did not speak of it. With Sonic, I was given an opportunity to express my views in a different way and did so, showing Robotnik using pollution and creating machinery which desecrates the environment and it is down to Sonic to change his ways.”

>>8810051
No, chaotix being bad wasn't discovered in 2015. Everyone knew almost immediately it was bad. It's impossible not to know because half the levels are fucking empty corridors you run through different parts of 5 times each. It's not just mediocre or a bit rough around the edges. It's unironically an unfinished game that was released before they were even halfway through a serious amount of dev work.

>>8811339
Based, thanks for looking that up. Sonic is definitely environmentalist themed which is why a time travel gimmick of good and bad futures really isn't out of place. Environmentalism has always been about what we're supposed to be doing now to avoid desolation in the future.

>>8811316
Sonic is just passing by these places
"Everything seems to be in order here."
And then he smacks Dr.Robotnik across the face exactly 8 times, and leaves.
Just like when he goes into the hilltops, and the caves.

>>8805008

when are people going to end this meme already that sonic cd is some "hidden gem" and it's a perfect 10/10 game and anyone who doesnt like it is "stupid" or "not playing it on the proper hardware". its getting annoying. the game is an unstructured clusterfuck and mishmash of noises, colors, and ideas. its almost as bad as knuckles chaotix.

>>8813131
>that sonic cd is some "hidden gem"
Nobody here is calling it a "hidden gem" you retard. It's not hidden at all. It was literally the best selling game out of the entire Sega CD catalog.
>its almost as bad as knuckles chaotix
Complete nonsense. Chaotix isn't even really a game. It was force released to market when they weren't even halfway done with development and most of the levels don't even have enemies.

>>8813306
>the best selling game out of the entire Sega CD catalog
Well, yeah.
It was a bad add-on.

>>8806831
lmao git gud

>>8806186
I had the old PC version and I still loved Sonic CD, I replayed it as much as 3&K and other games, and loved it.

>>8813481
lmao git gud

>>8813596
lmao git gud