/vr/ - Retro Games

He could've had Sonic but he said no. What a retard

>>8804906
Iwata's death was revenge for killing Yamauchi.

People love to antagonize Nintendo, I guess people like that sort of gap or contrast between their idea that Nintendo is "family friendly" and having a ruthless yakuza boss.
In reality, Nintendo isn't as "family friendly" as most people think (Super Metroid, one of their most famous games, has corpses on the title screen), nor Yamauchi was a real yakuza, but hey, people like to fantasize. Nothing wrong with that except with exaggerated misinfo starts being believed by naive people, but whatever.

>>8804906
who the fuck villainizes him? He's a true and blue rich old man CEO type that let his employees do what they wanted so long as they made him money.

>salty the N64 flopped
>put it out on JRPGs
should have forced GameFreak to put mainline Pokemon on the N64 faggot.

>>8805069
Should have finished Earthbound 64 for le ebin meme potential.

>>8805069
are you still on about that?

>>8804906
Based? Based on what?

>>8805069
Pokemon was a surprise hit

>>8805135
Really?
You don't think the incredibly popular card game had something to do with its success?

>>8805143
the card game that came out after the video game?

>>8805148
in the us it came out first?

>>8805143
>>8805159
anon what is going on here

>>8805010
I hate the meme that Nintendo was "kiddy" or Disney level. You could only really say that family friendly image started with the Wii.

>>8805221
The whole thing I think comes from the days when Nintendo of America censored Mortal Kombat and all that stuff, fueled by the console war marketing by Sega of America.
But, this is always only America.
In Japan, I think both Sega and Nintendo are seen as just classic video games, not "kiddy" or "mature". It seems the west is obsessed with separating kiddy from mature.
It's funny but Sega is actually closer to Disney (Sonic looks like Mickey, Sega themselves made some pretty good Disney games too).

>>8805159
the card game came out several months after the video game in both Japan and America

>>8805221
The fuck are you talking about? Don't waste your life hating something so obviously true. The NES was literally called "Family Computer." It's no less kid-centric than Disney, the Mario and Zelda franchises especially.

>>8805240
Family =/= kids only.
Mario always reminded me of Fleischer stuff like Popeye rather than Disney.

>>8804906
Idk because he had gunpei yokoi ran over by a car.

>>8805240
Miyamoto said mario was made for 18 year olds.

>>8805305
He was worse than a loose end; he was a defector.

>>8805315
>it's not for kids mom! mario is a mature franchise for adults! Ching Ling Dong Wong said so!!!

>>8805320
based Mature Gamer who only plays Mature Games for Mature Gamers such as himself.
>tfw probably can't even beat the first loop in SMB1
doesn't matter, it's kiddie shite.

>>8805334
you don't like Barney's Hide and Seek? it's probably because you can't beat it.

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>>8805338
According to the developers, this game was actually made with mid 40s salarymen in mind.

>>8805010
Pretty much this. Yeah Yamauchi was an old hard-ass, but that was a big detriment in the N64 years when he treated third party publishers like shit and chased them away.

>>8805334
I proudly play mario, call me a manchild all you want. I can't and won't stop!

>>8805143
At least bring up the anime, that's where most western kids heard of Pokemon first.
The popularity of Pokemon in Japan came after the hype over Mew started increasing sales and interests over the games

>>8805010
where did this meme that Yamauchi was a yakuza come from? He was a businessman, the only console manufacturer that it's said to have actual yakuza ties is sega because of their heavy involvement in arcades

>>8805414
Apparently nintendo itself had yakuza ties early on. Pre-bibeo game era I believe.

>so pigheaded and retarded he wastes years focusing on the Virtual Boy before rushing a prototype out the door and throwing its creator under the bus
>green lights the N64’s bizarre hardware that devs don’t want to touch so third party support is limited and it absolutely tanks in Japan
>pushes focus onto the DD which is such a colossal mess it only helps stink up their brand further
>company only financially recovers after he steps down and they fully embrace the blue ocean gimmick edge
I guess that’s based?

>>8805414
Nintendo primarily developed hanafuda cards for decades before they started experimenting and making weird toys and shit. Because of gambling regulations in Japan at the time, hanafuda cards became primarily used by Yakuza and they ended up becoming the company’s main revenue source which lead them to establish some strong ties. I remember reading a Gunpei Yokoi interview where he mentions that in his early years at the company, the manufacturing warehouses that were making the cards were being visited by Yakuza constantly and they would always complain about the quality of the cards and make thinly veiled threats. There’s also the fact that Nintendo were known to employ thugs to harass workers for third party companies so they would only make games for the Famicom and not for Sega or NEC, literally having them come into offices and threaten to beat up or kill staff if they dared to work for a rival company. I’ve heard rumours here and there that they also had Yakuza thugs intimidating retailers to not carry Sega/NEC products, and at the very worst, intimidate customers from buying them, but that’s hearsay and I can’t find a source for it

>>8805438
Nintendo actually bankrolled a yakuza museum in some rural town. IIRC they were still funding it under Iwata

>>8805414
Sega was founded by a coalition of American Jewish businessmen. Literally two Jewish companies merging into one. They had jackshit to do with the Yakuza.

>>8805221
It was legitimate up to a point when they had very heavy censorship on the NES and SNES (which was largely because they were feeling out the American market, and didn't want to tank their brand by getting painted as a Satan porn box). As soon as you get to the late SNES era where they started easing up on those things, the perception of Nintendo as the kid's company really should have gone away.
Even the Wii had games like Madworld, and they were more than happy to have those games on their system. I still remember the Wii announcement when they were pushing Red Steel (which turned out to be a dud), and Sadness (which turned out to not exist), which shows they really were trying to appeal to various markets.

>>8805336
McDonalds Treasureland Adventure is a legitimate top tier platformer on Megadrive, to be fair.

>>8805221
Lmao fucking zoomers

>>8805245
Are you retarded?
Disney is family too. Pinocchio is a better movie than 99% of anime for any age range. The age you can start playing Nintendo games is about 4 or 5.

>>8805228
Now they're run by body type A/B trannycalizer types meanwhile Nintendo of Japan operates the same as they have since the 80s.

Nintendo used to sell Disney cards before video games existed, and some of their early games are licenced from Disney, Popeye, Snoopy.

>>8805228
game journos basically ran with it for years and it only got worse with the HD consoles marketing gone absolutely wild on these sites
Despite the Wii U doing badly, the hot takes, the Pachter and the likes actually somehow stopped around then

>>8805956
>It was legitimate up to a point when they had very heavy censorship on the NES and SNES (which was largely because they were feeling out the American market, and didn't want to tank their brand by getting painted as a Satan porn box)
They wouldn't publish eroge in Japan either, only NEC did that.

if anyone else the bigger beef people have with Yamauchi was his nutcase-tier obsession with IP protection and suing people.

>>8806396
Well, that's outright porn. None of the consoles at the time really did that, and people today are still funny about it. Does the PS5 have any straight up porn games?
There is at least one NES game in Japan that has nudity though.

>>8806328
It's because the culture switched, and suddenly "hardcore gaming" was something to be sniffed at. The Journos all went from hollering at boobs and guns, to pretending they were always above that kind of behaviour, like the opportunist scum that they are.

Which is better? Being a hardcore gamer or a hardcore gay.

>>8806470
Hardcore gay.

>>8806396
In fairness, they only turned to pumping out literal porn because PC-FX was absolutely bombing and they had to save it somehow

>>8806470
The homosexual

>>8806478
>>8806396
the basic PCE really didn't have porn on it, that only became a thing with the PCE CD. NEC's computer line however was absolutely awash in terrible eroge games.

>>8806396
>only NEC did that
Not really on their consoles, and I don't think anyone actually had to go through NEC to publish any eroge on PC98. That'd be like Japs requiring to go through MicroSoft for publishing rights with everything on DLsite and all their Windows eroge.
>>8806429
>NES
Mostly FDS, and they're all unlicensed like Sexy Invaders.

>>8806491
I forget the name of it, but it's a detective game, where you talk to a girl in a towel, and if you say the right thing, she flashes you.

Sega also became pretty lenient about Saturn smut to try and spark sales while Sony wouldn't publish it.

>>8805143
>tfw you're dumb as shit but still want to talk down to others

>>8805956
>Wii
There's a Jap-exclusive fighting game called Twinkle Queen where the characters are all females from 4 eroge titles.
Just thought everyone should think about that for a sec.
(Game's decent, and you can do a 4 player match like Guilty Gear Isuka without the need to press a button to turn around.)

>>8805010
His grandpa was probably more, "yakuza," than him. Didn't Fusajiro set up the original headquarters in the heart of yakuza town and the only people who bought hanafuda cards back then were yakuza?

Looks like YAKUZA

>>8806558
Nintendo was originally founded in Kyoto which is a notorious Yakuza hotspot. They originally manufactured Hanafuda cards which were used primarily by the Yakuza in their gambling. The government had been cracking down hardcore on gambling around the time and it had gotten to the point where they were banning basically any new gambling game that came along and forcibly closing any gambling dens that popped up. Hanafuda survived the purge because of its historical roots, so the Yakuza took that up as their main game and since Nintendo manufactured the cards… well, one plus one equals two

>>8804906
When you die as one of the wealthiest men in Japan you are going to be villainized by someone because it gives that someone a little bit of clout.

>>8806575
More like 1 plus 1 equals the moon landing was faked.

>>8805069
or Xenogear and Chrono Cross exclusive deal too.

>>8805069
We already explained to you why that didn't happen, man.

>>8806518
Wish got we got released over here. Shovelware at time were quick grab money awful.
>>8805956
Now mad that Nintendo retooled project hammer engine as Super Princess Peach 2.

>>8806737
>oops
*candy crash
Meant reused code for Peach.

>>8806470
nothing wrong with being gay

Im the fag who said i dont get why Nintendo is deemed kiddie and specifically i was referring to their ips.

Sega, Hudson and Namco put out the same variety of varying themes from cutsey to mature as Nintendo but i never see them referred in the same way as Nintendo making "kiddie" type games only. Mario (was) a popeye like character, zelda was medival fantasy, metroid darker tone scifi, fire emblem jrpg fantasy, dk country had a 90s tude' style and slapstick, starfox was 60s thunderbirds inspired. Only major pre wii franchises that really felt aimed at kids was pokemon and kirby, but even those are not that different then something namco may have done in the arcade.

They only really felt like a family image focused company when the ds and wii took off with their line of "games for everyone" and neutered or non existent themes for their games.

>>8804906

The "U.S. Video Game Crash of 1983" never happened, it was an orchestrated meme.

The Jews basically gave America's video game industry to Japan. The whole 1980s-1990s was a "Japan will overtake America" LARP almost identical to today's "China will overtake America" LARP and it was facilitated by moving American industries and technology to those countries for literally no reason.

Everything about Super Mario and Zelda is Masonic. These guys aren't the fuzzy wuzzy CEOs you're trained to think of them as, they absolutely have evil agendas. Video games were originally meant to enslave us like welfare -- the fact that they were so effective at training hand-eye coordination and strategic planning is a coincidence they have been trying to undo for years.

>>8804906
Console warrior trannies have him living in they/their head rent-free.

>>8806575
>Hanafuda survived the purge because of its historical roots
I thought it survived because hanafuda cards weren't associated with gambling then (unlike how "Western" playing cards were) so they got away with it that way.

>>8806828
Mario seems pretty masonic, but you're a cringelordfor everything else you said

>>8805221
i was playing wizardry and ultima while kids bing bing wahood their mario and zelda

>>8806828
meds

>>8808802
So you had mild autism.

>>8808896
probably just some eurofag, they have a massive hateboner for all things nintendo

>>8805143
>>8805159

>>8805020
He got mad as fuck because no one bought the NES in Yurop. That's why the Yuros received only three quarters of the U.S. SNES catalog. He had a corporate meltdown; he threw his fucking toys out of the cot like a child. His infamy is deserved.
>>8804906
Nothing based about that undead looking grouch.

>>8808802
I bet you think you're superior you FAGGOT, while I'm 25 and my bing-bing wahoo works out quite well for me.

>>8805919
No no no, you're not allowed to ask the JQ

>>8807602
But coming of age newhalf talked about PC-98.

>>8806828
Pathetic schizophrenic post on the thread.

>>8804906
did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>>8805919
You’re a dumb faggot. The juice had little to do with Sega beyond the trademark and Sega’s old Yakuza ties (right down to kidnapping relatives of competitors and having had people with missing fingers at board meetings) are well attested to.

>>8806828
lol nah. It’s just Atari lost legal cases (arguably the one against Sierra On-Line but there were others) that showed they couldn’t copyright game mechanics and all the shitty americompanies that weren’t into games started churning out trashy clones that flooded the console market.
Japan even refers to it as the Atari shock.

>>8809557
>It’s just Atari lost legal cases (arguably the one against Sierra On-Line but there were others) that showed they couldn’t copyright game mechanics and
This bullshit happened with application software as well, Lotus literally sued companies who made spreadsheets that used / to select the main menu only to learn you couldn't copyright that.

>>8806470
Both.

>>8806787
错误的

>>8809615
南京は決して起こらなかった...

>>8809502
BASED

>>8809601
Gigabased gachi poster.

It can't be understated that the most powerful move he ever made was stepping down

>>8809168
Europe is a fag continent that should not have gotten any games.

>>8810950
You must have scores of friends, you social dynamo, you.
Kek. Lonely little bitch.

>>8805221
They were saying it in the n64 days.

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>>8806491
Anon I…

>>8805414
Probably a mixture of Nintendo's original product being playing cards (gambling is a major yakuza business) and Yamauchi's name being confused for Yamaguchi (Yamaguchi-gumi is the biggest yakuza family).

>>8805010
>>8805221
there's a reason why all the cool mature rpg's were on the psx while n64 only got BING BING WAHOO clones

>>8814004
CDs, mostly.

>>8806495
Golgo 13 IIRC.

>>8814004
>cool mature rpg's
>nomura's belt n' zippan angsty shit
Sure, mature..

>>8810950
based

>>8810950
You’re not in a position to decide anything in the video game industry.
I know it’s hard, but try to move on.

>>8810950
dangerously based

>>8806482
The PCE doesn't have porn, game needs to show sex to be porn
You are thinking of their actual PC

>>8806737
Beat ‘em up Super Peach 2? Wasted opportunity for Nintendo…

>>8804906
nintendo? What are you 5? play real games you fag

>>8805069
>put it out on JRPGs
Literally never happened. That was a fake quote.

>>8804906
He did nothing wrong.

>>8806805
Censorship of the SNES Mortal Kombat was a big factor in their kiddy image imo.

>>8806398
So Yamauchi is still Nintendo's president? But isn't he dead?

>>8805414
Vidya in Japan is considered to be in the same level as pachinco or hostess stuff, saying that only SEGA has Yakuza (which is very likely btw) would be underestimating the situation.
I'm pretty sure that Konami also has that kind of people. The Yaks can get involved in more indirect ways, mainly investment.

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>>8806805
>Hudson
>Mortal Kombat
Wonder if how PCE run?

>>8815313
There was an interview with an ex sega guy who claimed that the only "clean" companies were nintendo and namco

In a defiant act of fate, Gunpei Yokoi avoids the speeding car sent to hit him by Yamauchi, suffering a broken rib instead. Surviving the attack on his life, Yokoi realises that he is now number one on Nintendo’s shitlist, high above Sony and Sega. Gathering a team of hit detectives, he convinces courts of Nintendo’s wrongdoings and their Yakuza ties, leading to a massive hit in popularity and support for the company. In secret, he and his team continue work on the Wonderswan which arrives on the scene a year early than expected. With the colossal hit into their reputation, many of Nintendo’s third party teams leave the company with Game Freak moving under Bandai’s leadership. Pocket Monsters Red and Green are developed for the Wonderswan instead, and quickly explode in popularity. The Game Boy simply cannot keep up and fades away, as does the N64 which bombs on launch, as the Wonderswan comes to dominate the market. As punishment for his disobedience, Yamauchi is forced to sever his pinky finger, further increasing evidence of his Yakuza background and plummeting Nintendo support further (his claims that he lost it in a freak gardening accident fool nobody). Satisfied with dominating the handheld industry, Yokoi shifts attention to the home market and develops the Yokoivision system which sells extremely well, coming in second place after the PS2. The TSE eventually delists Nintendo from the exchange. Yokoi goes on to live a successful and happy life before he is tragically killed by a Yakuza hitman (who witnesses eventually identified as Satoru Iwata), who shoots him 18 times at point blank range. The incident sends shockwaves throughout the industry and a five year mourning period is established by the Japanese government. The remnants of Nintendo, now consisting of rogue programmers and former suits, and calling themselves the ‘Sons of Mario’ are classified as a terror cell leading to a widespread crackdown on them that continues to this day

>>8815404
stop trying to make this a pasta

>>8815317
They could probably do a CD version easily with the Arcade Card. Hell Street Fighter 2 was pulled off really well on a HuCard, I don't think a Mortal Kombat port is unfeasible at all.

>>8815404
Hilarious retard

>>8816575
UMK3 would do that perfectly Arcade CD port.

>>8815404
I laughed. This will be a based pasta anon.

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>>8818335
Thanks
>>8815620
No

>>8815404
4/10; wouldn’t repost.

>>8805130
I pronounce it as base-ed. Am I wrong?

>>8805956
Early nes games games such as trojan had some subtle blood but the morality screechers hadn't noticed at that point.

>>8804906
Blamed for losing Final Fantasy.

>>8819085
>losting Final Fantasy
Good. Mr. Yamauchi should get Phantasy Star 64.

>>8815381
I don't know about Namco but I'll never believe Nintendo is clean

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>>8814512
Deleted? How could you mod?

>>8819690
Hope they fire one of the jannies there is definitely one janny who is way too salty.

>>8804906
He was the only one keeping Miyamoto on a tight leash. Once he left, it was unironically game over. He went from making masterpieces like Yoshis Island, OoT and SM64 to making garbage like Wii Music and developing asshurt over the Mario brand with the Mario Mandate. Iwata being a programmer buttbuddy did nothing to keep these people in check.

>>8820293
>OoT and SM64
Those games was never good.

>>8804906
He did nothing wrong.

Emplemon did a great vid about Nintendo that this douche probably created the legacy for

>>8821890
Disagree on his point and opinion.