/vr/ - Retro Games

>>879894
It's the best PSX FF game, IMO. Give it until you get to Lindblum, then you start getting into the plot of the game.

>99 nobles were impressed

Fuck.

Good game but I do admit it has pretty cliche settings/plotlines

>>879908

It's supposed to. FFIX is a love letter to the series.

>>879901
Feel really wacky and like Kingdom Hearts

>>879910
Good thing they were being uncreative on purpose, otherwise everyone would think it sucked.

>>879913
you may be retarded, seek help.

>>879924
Yeah, I see that "love letter" thing thrown around alot, but can't it be possible they were just burned out on ideas?

>>879894
>FF3: Kids fall into a hole.
>FF4: Depressed airship captain returns home, then gets asked to deliver a package to some rural area.
>FF6: Stomping out resistance against your totalitarian empire

FF9 isn't FF7. FF7 actually has one of the most exciting openings of any of the games.

>>879930
I seem to recall there was some backlash against FF8; maybe they wanted to do something that would both please old-time fans of the series, as well as introducing newer fans (from the FF7 era) to the style of the older games.

>>879925
>Expecting it to start similarly
>Start
>Kidnapping princesses
>Goofy characters
>Over the top animations
>Implying that's not like Kingdom Hearts in a general way

Nice contribution

>>879934
yeah I played it again recently and it does a great job just dropping you right in the middle of it all and really does a great job introducing it'self as a game, for old players and new players.

>>879963

>>879894
>Does it get better?

No, it's pretty boring. It has serious pacing issues and the plot is not interesting at all.

>>879894
this game is one of the top 3 ffs made, seriously good

>>879930

No. It was the last one on the PS1, and FFX was pretty seriously different in a few respects. Plus it's ass deep in references to the other ones in a way that the other FF's weren't.

>>879963
I too think this turn based final fantasy game that was an homage to older final fantasies, took elements from kingdom hearts

No, it's a boring throwback to the 4th gen. games, only much more annoying because of the 5th gen. load times.

>>879894
>>879908
>>879924
>>879930
>>879987
Jesus Christ, this fucking thread.

Every Final Fantasy has their own charm. Gameplay and general plot structure (ragtag group tries to save the world) is in every title. Every single one of these statements bothers me and I can't help but wonder how much of /vr/ was in kindergarten when the game came out.
IX was an amazing title. The character designs were unique for the franchise, and as someone mentioned, it was a love letter to the entire series. Everything from plot threads to little cameos
>Cloud's buster sword in a shop
>"I remember a spiky haired guy having this"
The intro was also amazing, allowing you to play multiple characters and witnessing events from different perspectives and then having everyone meet up at once, just amazing.
The world design was beautiful and the music was still enjoyable. The story did stumble a bit towards the end, especially with Necron, but coming from Final Fantasy 8 which pulled the same trope (unless you believe R=U) I think IX handled its conclusion better and in a far less confusing way.
>Cliche
>cliche
>its so...CLICHE
Asides from the Final Fantasy series, I've never played another game like IX. Where is this "cliche" coming from? A critique of JRPGs? Go over to the next genre, same shit, different cup. Cliche for...video games? Once again, point me in the direction of a game that doesn't fall on any cliches.

I swear, its like I'm reading reviews from high schoolers.
>Beowulf is a cliche story. I would give it a 8/10.
Learn to critique kids, you might actually start sounding like you have a brain that fully functions. Scary thought.

>>879938
Not possible, because they started work on FF9 before FF8 was released.

And FF8 was a great financial success, so why would they care what the haters said?

Im starting to lose faith in this board. FFIX doesn't deserve this treatment.

>>880021
I've been losing faith for weeks. Every other thread is just /v/-lite. I know people want to liken it as a sister board, but there was a point where /vr/ for a good month there had solid conversations (and more talk about games than just snes/ps1 etc) I didn't think it would turn into shit so quickly.

>people hating on ffix

wat

Do you people seriously prefer the ladyboy ffxiii/ffxv bullshit?

Not even my favorite FF (that's FFV) but it's damn good.

>>880032
I would love to see FF threads go away entirely. There's enough interest in these games elsewhere that they don't need to be on /vr/

>>880009
>People who don't like the same games I do are all children

>>880021
>>880032

>People who don't like the same games I do are shitposters from /v/ here to ruin the board.

>>880038

>People who don't like the same games I do are all neophytes playing PS3 JRPGs with bishounen characters

Just accept FFIX isn't love by everyone and move on.

>>880009
>People who don't like the same games I do are all children

>>880021
>>880032

>People who don't like the same games I do are shitposters from /v/ here to ruin the board.

>>880038

>People who don't like the same games I do are all neophytes playing PS3 JRPGs with bishounen characters

Just accept FFIX isn't loved by everyone and move on.

>>880045
It's not so much that as how they seem to occupy half the front page at any given time.

>>879894
It gets better, keep at it OP.

>>880032
/v/ actually has some decent FF threads, at least the ones that I saw. As long as you don't mention multiple FFs together or post lists/charts, they tend to be okay. Posting Tifa's tits in the OP also leads to some decent discussions about the characters for some reason too and I don't mean image dumps full of FF tits.

Nobody posts reasons why FF9 sucks or why its good.

>>880048
Nobody you quoted claimed FFIX should be their favorite FF or favorite game in the world. Some people you quoted didn't even make an argument for FFIX. Others simply alarmed how it was trounced off with little argument made. How about you just accept that you made a shitty counter argument?
This isn't
>Does anybody but me hate FFIX?
thread, so stop trying to make it into one.

>>880009

>I was so anal pained by other opinions I wrote this huge post

>>880061
>nobody posted reasons as to why it sucks
They did, they were just one sentence statements
>or why its good
Entire paragraph over here
>>880009

>>880062
>I was so retarded I decided I thought I could type a counter criticism, but I forgot I was doing halfway in and just started banging my head on my keyboard
makes sense.

>>880007
>took elements from a game that didn't exist at the time

>>880038
>Zidane
>not a ladyboy
whatever you say chief

>>880065
I think he was being sarcastic

>>880060
I posted that I didn't like it on the grounds it was uncreative. I wasn't aware this thread was already an argument, I was just offering my view of the game in brief to the OP who was fishing for second opinions. You already seem plenty defensive and set in your opinion of the game and I'm not really interested in convincing you in particular of anything, so calm down. If you really want a full dissertation, I wrote this pretentious word dump for an Amazon review several years ago, but it's basically just a long-winded continuation of "It's derivative and unfun and I don't like it":

http://www.amazon.com/review/R15YA0HWWTRAKN/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00004Y57G

>>880087
>http://www.amazon.com/review/R15YA0HWWTRAKN/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00004Y57G

Praising ff8 and its broken gameplay while implying that its soundtrack is original or better than 9's. FF9 is an almost perfectly designed game to the point that the only flaws that you can successfully point out is a "derivative" story which of course was on purpose. You also mention the poor choices that are available to the player and conclude that this isn't positive when in fact it only ads the game, if this were not the case then we would have one more installment n which the character were simply vessels for whatever strategy that breaks the game instead the player is given a system to work around and choose to his liking. As for the music the designers artistic intention is wasted on you because it seems that that you don't understand the concept of "less is more".

Your review is very eloquent and I suppose you think your edgy for giving this game a bad rating and posting it on /vr/ but in reality you can't even begin to understand how beautifully well-balanced the game actually is and its design completely escapes you.

Sad really.

>>880136
- Making a story derivative on purpose doesn't have much impact on the end effect of it being less interesting than it could have been, regardless of original intent. I mentioned that sarcastically early in the thread. I understand they were aiming low, and I agree they hit their mark exactly. It didn't make me enjoy the game any more while knowing that, though.

- I cited V and VI as games from the series that managed nuanced character ability systems without breaking the gameplay. Square didn't stumble into that rut so badly until the 32-bit era.

- For what it's worth, outside of video games I'm a bit of an ambient / drone / atmospheric music fan. I do appreciate more discrete music, and I think FFVIII did pretty well with that often. A lot of the tracks in IX seemed mismatched to the loud art and atmosphere of the game, and a lot of it seemed like half-finished jingles from melodies of ordinary songs that Uematsu usually has better instrumental backing for. Much of it seemed sparse and empty without being intendedly ambient or contributing to the atmosphere of the game in its completed form. Music taste is relative though, so I don't expect you to agree with that.

>Sad really.

I played FFIX twice hoping I'd better appreciate why people like it, but I don't. It is sad, and I envy you for liking it. I didn't.

>>880009
Even if you don't agree with him, it's called opinions pal. We all have one.

>>880219

It still doesn't deserve the 3 you gave it, especially if you understand concepts behind the decisions that were made, I'm not asking you to forgive the game in anyway, just for you to be fair. It is not a mediocre game and as for the story being derivative I think that you'll be hard-pressed to find one that isn't. Your review is mainly negative and fails to actually say anything concrete. Except of course that the game when compared to other games in the series falls short when in fact it doesn't and plays considerably better than most including the most recent titles that have been reviewed with far better scores.

Now in the case of the story I disagree it's incredible that they could take a "derivative" story comprised mainly of previous Final Fantasy elements and still be able to create as much character development and characterization as they did without resorting to the terrible stoicism of previous games. Making me care more about Vivi's existential issues and Steiner's notions of duty and honor while making me laugh at Zidane's attempt to grab Garnet's ass. Something that I just didn't think about or consider when playing through the previous titles with few exceptions.

Although I agree the older games were far better, this game stands out because it was the last game that Square played with before taking themselves to seriously.

TAKE THE REVIEW DOWN!!!!

>>879894
Filename, friend.

For the love of god use a not shit emulator

>>880262
3 seems generous to me if he's reviewing by the standards of games in general. If he's reviewing by the standards of JRPGs then 3 seems fair (1 would be FF2, 5 would be Chrono Trigger).

>>880268
I got that sorted lol

>>880295

I disagree considering that games in general don't have a story, a soundtrack like this one and the gameplay it does, incidentally the only flaws the review pointed out.

By the JRPG's scale it's easily a 4.

Objectively, its a fun, addictive game that's well-balanced, has an excellent presentation and soundtrack with a decent story to accompany it, sadly it doesn't exist in a void and that's why it got a 3 in the review. Which of course is no reason to give it a low score.

>>880312
>that aspect ratio
please stop, it hurts

I really liked it, but can't get into it now because load times, worst ATB ever and having developed a hatred of stealing in jrpgs, and 9 is among the worst offenders. It's a pacing killer to NOT try and kill the boss and it makes no fucking sense.

>>880009
Well said. I dont want to admit this so soon, but I really do think that /vr/ is already crawling towards its deathbed.

>>880379
I love stealing as a concept, but you're absolutely right about the execution. It's just so awkward in almost every game it's in. It should probably just stay in stealth games like Thief where it belongs.

I can forgive the loading times and slow ATB just because FF9 is my sentimental favorite of the series.

>>880369
Just chill the way I play my games should not affect you in anyway

>>880009
Being this mad

This is the only video game music that makes me nostalgic. I've no idea why it's the only one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4wyNiQa6I

>>880435

You should fix it for your own sake. It would look much nicer.

>>880087
>Review written in 2010
Maybe after a game is around for a decade it appears less creative because it's medium has grown.

>>880440

>>880257
at least that anon backed up his opinion and views with real arguments backing his side. everyone else just likes to throw around statements with little to nothing to back it up (which is extremely frustrating when people shit on what you love)

>>880312
>enhancing the resolution when backgrounds remain low res as fuck

Does it not bother you how much sharper the characters are than the backgrounds? They stand out like crazy.

>>880568
It's not too bad and it's so much better than playing on an actual PS1

>>880568
there's an updated screenshot of how im playing
>>880486

>>880527
The people "throwing around statements" were answering the OP's question, not setting up an editorial debate position to be scrutinized by overzealous fanboys who desperately need something to refute in order to validate their opinions and think the board is ruined when people don't like their favorite game. If it frustrates you when people give not-sufficiently-detailed explanations of why they don't like FF9 as much as you do, find something better to get stressed out over.

Going by this thread, I'll add the fanbase to my checklist of why this game sucks.

>>880625

If you don't like debating then go live under a rock and die alone. The discussion and this thread is dead the only one keeping it alive is you.

>>879894
It gets to be a bit more like FF7, the wars and cross dressing start before the end of disc 1 iirc.

FF9 is by far the best Final Fantasy game. But OP is a faggot that doesn't think games are "cool" unless things are blowing up and being rated M for Mature, so he won't enjoy it. Sucks to be him.

>OMG THIS GAME HAZ A STAGE PLAY? LAWL SO GHEY. FF7 HAD MORE GUNZ.

>>880625
Maybe it's frustrating because the people who don't like FF9 are usually people who choose not to like it for ridiculously shallow reasons. Like "the characters are small this game is kiddie" or "omg where are the bombs and terrorists."

>>880942
>FF9 is by far the best Final Fantasy game.

Final Fantasy Tactics called. It says you're a faget.

Really, though, I wouldn't ever want to choose between FF9 and FFT. They're both fantastic. and 9 is, if nothing else, by far the best main series FF.

>>879894
Umm it's definitely more light-hearted than FFVII, the game itself is an homage to the FF's of the past. If you want a darker, gritier game you probably won't find that in IX. It's very Victorian Steam-Age-esque. So yeah, not really going to get the kind of environment as VII, but still a great game.

>>880954
I don't think it's fair to compare. IX was a child of Sakaguchi, and Tactics was the product of Matsuno. Very different takes on gaming and story. Both amazing, but very different. IX is a FF-proper and I always felt Tactics really was a re-skinned Ogre title.

I think 9 is, objectively speaking, a really terrible game. From the ridiculously slow ATB, to the stealing mechanics, to the unfinished story for most characters, it has a lot going wrong with it.

Subjectively, however, it is my favorite RPG ever. What FF9 does right it does really, really well. It has my favorite world and characters in the whole series, even if they never got as fleshed out as I would have liked.

>>881016
Also, one quick thing I forgot; more a little point of frustration really. Why, if you're going to say they have no relation to each other or don't exist in the same continuum would you place FFXII, FFT, FFTA and Vagrant Story in Ivalice?! Change the name of the world! I mean, how dare they tell me FFTA and XII don't take place in the same world when they share the same places! Giza Plains, Ambervale, etc.

>>880952
As someone who had played most of the final fantasies before 9, I found it just plain boring. I got to the second disc and realized that I either didn't care or just plain hated the characters and lost all interest in their story.

>>881030
One day I think they'll re-release it and fix the battle speed, one day. Does the PSN version go faster since it doesn't have to load off a disc?

>>881035
Just because you played a Final Fantasy game before doesn't make your lame opinion some kind of authority. You didn't appreciate a game millions of others did, congrats. Do you want a medal for being miserable? Or perhaps you think being contrarian douchebag makes you look more discerning and tasteful? It doesn't.

Go play some Call of Duty.

>>881037
No. The disc loading times never had any bearing on the battle speed; it's part of the game itself.

One huge drawback to the PSN version is the sheer fact that getting the first moonstone in the swordfight is literally impossible because of the PS3's problem of producing several frames of input delay when playing PS1 or PS2 games, though, and you absolutely need those frames to react on time to impress Brahne. Even on a CRT, it can't be done on the PS3.

FFIX is my favorite game. I love the opening. From Alexandria to Lindblum, it's probably one of my favorite opening segments in video games. It just feels like such an adventure.

The daring thief who wants to kidnap the princess, and the princess who, as it turns out, wants to be kidnapped; the quiet, young magician who's just discovering the world, and the old, cantankerous knight, who in many ways is also just discovering the world. It's such a good combo and you have them all together and it just stays so humble while hinting and leading to bigger things. It's not about a war, though it will be eventually. It's not about the fate of the world, though that happens later. It's just about a heist that goes, not wrong, but right, cause the girl they wanted to get wanted to be got.

It's a classic, but just off kilter enough that it comes into its own. I love FFIX.

>>881031

Its the same timeline.

>>881030
I never found anything wrong with the atb being "slow" or anything wrong with the steal feature. And unfinished story? Everyone's story is completely finished.

>>881059
Yeah, I wouldn't call it unfinished, just rushed. Everyone's story did finish, but some of them, such as Freya, were sloppily concluded. And would you believe half the fanbase doesn't even know what the fuck happened to Vivi? Hell, even I was confused as to who was talking in the epilogue. Turns out the Japanese version makes it clearer. It's Vivi, dying off-screen.

>>881031
I was under the impression they were in the same world (except for FFTA, I think). Some of the lore in FFT can be seen playing itself out in FF12, actually.

>>881075
Can you elaborate please?

>>881059
Oh the game's battle speed is ridiculously slow. I love IX, but you're guaranteed to lose at least 2 minutes with every battle.

>>881079
You shut your mouth. You shut your mouth and you don't talk. It never happened! ;_; please Anon, tell me he just went to sleep...

>>881079
Just because some story element didn't turn out the way you personally wanted doesn't mean anything was "rushed".

>>881092
When did I say it went the way I didn't want? I said it was handled sloppily. Freya's character arc pretty much stopped in the beginning of Disc 2, and didn't see a full conclusion until the ending. That's what I'm talking about. It was a good arc, but it was poorly paced.

>>881084
I'm going to need to look it up again--it's been years since the last time I played either game. The first thing that springs to mind are, of course, the Lucavi (known as Espers in FFXII), but I don't remember any of the details. I think there's a timeline floating around out there somewhere, too.

>>881079
I thought the end game narration was Makoto or whatever her name was. Zidane's sister.

>>881092
There's a difference between a story element not turning out the way I wanted and a story element not existing at all.

Fratley randomly popping up in the ending when he was presumed dead after Cleyra got blown up just to give Freya closure for the sake of closure is a prime example of this. How did he survive? How did he and Freya meet up again? How would Freya react? Has Freya gone through more trouble to get him to remember his past before she ultimately gives up in the ending?

Consider FF6 and how it literally explains -everything- about every character over the course of the game. I don't even like FF6 but I appreciate it because it leaves no loose ends. If you have a question about why a character is the way they are, the game will answer it in time. FF9 has very, very little of this. Let's not even get into Necron and his lack of explanation. He's essentially the essense of the Iifa Tree but the game doesn't even go out of its way to explain that.

>>881118
The first part where she's talking about Kuja is. Everything after that is not her.

>>881112
I shall search for this, in the name of the Goddess.

>>881084
It's not FFT, but the Kiltia religion is in both FFXII and Vagrant Story.

>>881118
It starts out as Makoto talking about Kuja. After that it's Vivi's farewell to everyone.

Makes it a lot more heartbreaking, because Vivi died believing his mentor and friend Zidane died at the Iifa Tree.

>>881129
Square regrets the decision to include Vagrant Story in the world of Ivalice since its so out of place.

>>881102
>Freya
>watches her people be slaughtered
>her home get destroyed
>her love interest won't remember her

MEANWHILE
>Beatrix
>is forgiven for committing genocide on a race
>keeps her position, if not essentially promoted
>gets a love interest in Steiner
Fuck Beatrix. Freya should have at least gotten to chew her out, if not kick her ass.

>>881159
I always did think Beatrix should not have gotten off the hook so easily, even though she sort of regrets her actions and even joins your side. IMO only way they could have redeemed her is if she sacrificed herself or some shit.

>>880436
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4wyNiQa6I
Because it's everything that's beautiful about your childhood

>>881170
You're applying our cultural concepts and morality onto a foreign world where they may not apply. Remember, she was a soldier, a general, for an absolutist monarch who set about a quest for global conquest. She followed her orders and lead her (wo)men to the best of her abilities. The flaw is in what she was ordered to do, not how she executed it. The fault lies with Brahne, not Beatrix. Remember, this isn't a modern world either, this is basically a system between feudal and renaissance socities, conceptions of "humanity" and share values may not exist and the concept of the "other" or enemy could be tempered by hundreds of years of war. Add in that quite literally she wasn't even fighting creatures of her own species and I can objectively understand her ability to commit genocide. Thoughts to keep in your mind always when observing fictitious worlds.

>>881120
>consider FF6 and how it literally explains -everything- about every character over the course of the game.

So Gogo and Umaro had in-depth storylines that answered everything about their characters? You learned everything about Relm and Strago's pasts? How Cyan survived the plague?

Any Final Fantasy game, or any VIDEO GAME even, can have elements that can be nitpicked about some detail that is missing you would have liked to read more on. That doesn't somehow mean the game had a bad story.

>>881208
I think Umaro had a clear story line. He is a yeti, and he smashes stuff. Seems legit.

to all FF hipster slayers ITT: I love you.

>>881218
Keyboard of Logical Arguments
200 Attack + 55 versus Hispters.

>>881159
She was only acting on orders from the corrupt Queen. Aint her fault, mang.

>>881225
I hate to bring the Nazis into this, but that "following orders" shit didn't fly when they tried it.

>>881218
>Complaining about hipsters on /vr/

>>881120
>>881159
Speaking of FFVI.

I've always thought that Cid comes off very clean very quick in this game. Cid del Norte Marquez is a ruthless scientist who experimented on scientist beings in an attempt to remove their very life energy to the benefit of the Empire. Just because as a scientist he feels the war should be stopped doesn't he mean he feels even the slightest remorse at his actions per se; he regrets them being used for military purposes, apparently, but shows no regret on his glorious victories in the field of science.

>>881208
I always just assumed Cyan was out on patrol or something during the plague

>>881221
A lot of fans originally believed Umaro to be a robot controlled by Lone Wolf. Which was what caused the idea of Caith Sith in FF7.

>>881238
If you could refer to my post before his, I believe I somewhat explain how the difference in cultural and time could effectively explain how our idea of punishment wouldn't apply to her.

>>881205
As much thought as you put into that, by your own logic you cannot assume that "conceptions of "humanity" and share values" didn''t exist either. He's applying those concepts to a world that functions in the same basic way as general society. They have commerce and relations with each other and all that.

And while it may be that they just let her off because she was 'only following orders', the very concept of 'only following orders' is a slippery slope to begin with.

Oh and also, Brahn was being manipulated by Kuja. So I guess it's not her fault either, right?

>>881263
Really? That's an interesting theory. I never even get Umaro, or if I do, use him, in normal playthroughs. Personally I think the cast of FFVI is a little large for my tastes.

>>881271
My issue with that explanation is that no such standards in regards to punishment and whatnot are clearly established within the FFIX universe. It's fine and well to speculate that they might not see these things the way we do, but unless the game establishes that their culture and socio-political system is, in fact, more forgiving of genocide, betrayal, etc., we have no clear point of comparison other than our own.

This, of course, does get more complicated, since not every culture in the real world sees these things the same way, so maybe the Japanese would have been more forgiving on Beatrix's actions than, say, Americans. I was pretty much only speaking for myself here when I said Beatrix's atrocities were so swiftly swept under the rug.

>>881285
I do not believe she was being manipulated by Kuja, He merely provided the tools of war, she was the one who choose to use them. You are correct, that I cannot disprove that those concepts were there, but I do believe I postulated a plausible theory. From our own history we can see genocide, war, slavery to our own species. We have never had to deal with another intelligent life form as they did in IX. Also, I don't believe in the world they live in they have the same level of globalization we experienced to help form those concepts of shared humanity and basic human rights (which I made add still don't even apply in some areas of our world). In the end, it's all just speculation though right? We'll never know :P

>>881310
We're really just spit-balling and theory crafting here.

>>881154
They're certainly not acting like it.

And really, Vagrant Story fits into Ivalice as it's portrayed in FFT pretty well, and it seems to be around that spot in the timeline, too. It doesn't really fit into the "new" Ivalice--that is, FF12 and the Advance games that take place before FFT--but then again, neither does FFT.

I thought the new translation for War of the Lions really highlighted the fact that Vagrant Story and FFT are in the same Ivalice, too, especially given the references to the Dark and the powers that it grants, and the similarity in the language used. That, plus including Kiltia in FF12, seems to me to be acknowledgment that Vagrant Story is firmly in the canon.

>>881310
To me, it's less a problem with Beatrix and more a problem with Freya. We go from her having a complete emotional breakdown when Cleyra gets destroyed to her being buddy-buddy with Beatrix without even so much as a "I will never forgive you" or something to that effect. The game just kind of pushes that whole thing to the side and both characters more or less forget it ever happened.

>>881348
Honestly I think the writers just had a massive boner for Beatrix, so they just wrote her as this unbeatable warrior goddess who everyone loves.

Why is it that she didn't go off and kill Kuja now?

>>881319
What I'm trying to say is that arguing that the culture in FFIX differing from our own allows some leeway for Beatrix to be forgiven is a bit of a cop-out, because nothing of the sort is actually established within that universe. What point of reference are we left with but our own?

>>881406
That has dangers too. Remember this is a single player game, and as such every single player must subject it to their own view. Personally I don't think Beatrix did anything wrong. I understand war as a geopolitical tool, and you kill off your enemy in war. Owell, to each their own.

>>881416
Burmecians being killed is arguable, but the Cleyrans were pacifists and their whole city was destroyed just to see if the Odin eidolon worked. It was the equivalent to Mysidia in FF4, except Mysidia wasn't razed.

>>881431
What's the most effective way to test a new weapon? In a real combat situation, preferably from a position of power. They were pacifists,just because they didn't believe in war doesn't mean others wouldn't bring it to them, it was their own fault.

>>881441
It was their own fault that they did nothing to provoke such actions? Not sure I follow.

>>881120

This is just more evidence to how mature the story telling is in this game, do you expect to know everything in life especially how your friends and family die or end up? I don't think you do and this game doesn't hold your hand along the way telling you how happily ever after everyone ends up, is or was.

>>881348

Even the scene between Beatrix and Freya is extremely mature for a video game and shows how forgiving and understanding Freya is but importantly the scene shows that they understand each over well, having been both instruments of war and with hesitation or idiotic grudges decide to protect and save the princess and this only cemented by Steiners decision to go back and help.

>>881431

Doesn't she have a couple of scenes where she's questioning invading Burmecia and Cleyra?

Thinking mainly of the bit where you jump into the portal left by the invading black mages and end up on the airship, you overhear her pretty much saying "This is bullshit" in a monologue.

>>882750
It's been about a year since I last played it, but I believe it's right in the beginning of disc 2 when Brahne kind of sends Beatrix off without a word of thanks and Beatrix takes offence to it. I don't think she ever had any seconds thoughts about killing the Burmecians. I could be wrong, though.

>>881496
>This is just more evidence to how mature the story telling is in this game, do you expect to know everything in life especially how your friends and family die or end up? I don't think you do and this game doesn't hold your hand along the way telling you how happily ever after everyone ends up, is or was.

Usually when I see people type shit like this, their game sucks.

FF9 doesn't suck, but it wasn't that good either. 9, or FF in general for that matter, isn't mature in the storytelling department. Never has been, never was.

>>882908
Yeah, remind me of bronies over-analyzing cartoons made for little girls.

No please, lets make another Final Fantasy with the same exact premise as 7. Stop being fucking gay. FF7 is shit tier compared to the best in the series (4, 6, 9).

Stop.

I hated all the characters cause of either furry shit, or garbage like dagger or rusty. I got twenty or so hours in souly for Vivi.
I liked the combat but hated grinding to master skills
But liked getting skills from equipment

I liked it better than VII for some reason. Don't know why.

Maybe Vivi and Freya are just my favorite characters from the series.

itt: im scared this place is turning into /v/2.o

remind me to NEVER go into a ff9 topic again.

>>879987
I have to agree on the pacing. The party gets split up too damn often. I have never had Freya get any higher than level 15, which is a shame because she is one of the few playable FF females that doesn't wind up caught in a cliche storm.

After the second Beatrice fight though, she just... kinda fades into the background.

DAMMIT SQUARE! The ONE playable female in Final Fantasy that I didn't roll my eyes at!

>>882976
>furry shit
Dude what, you're bandwagoning.

>grind
Most of the overly-powerful abilities aren't even worth getting. You can easily tear the endgame apart with Steiner and a blood sword.

>>881254
What plague are people talking about? I remember Doma getting poisoned, but no plague. If I understand it, he was the only one who didn't drink from the poisoned river.

>>880004
I feel stupid for not noticing that Garnet's disguise was just a white mage robe.
Also liking the humour though wish it wasn't so 'blurry', even natively the character models are a walking blur nothing feels solid

>>883024
for cereal

>>879894
>implying kidnapping a princess from a public place isn't some serious shit, let alone in a medieval setting

Really?

>>880393
>/vr/ is already crawling towards its deathbed.
funny enough it would be because of your post and >>880009
you're both shitting the bed over opinions. shitposters will get a kick out of your butthurt and keep spaming shit like
>FFIX
>cliche
>pick both
and every time you lose your shit they will do it again.
want this board to stay good? Stop being a faggot when someone doesn't like what you like

>>880993
and yet despite being lighthearted it's the only FF (aside from post-statues FF6) to make me think "Right that's it, we're fucked just go home we're all screwed"

>Oh Brahne has a navy? Eat Bahamut!
>Oh you have the rat people on your side? Odin kills everyone!
>Finally we summoned Alexander the strongest Eidolon there is. Fucked by airship laser beam!

Everytime the story had a glimmer of hope you got screwed over.
Also no love for Vivi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UqMkKZj1OO0#t=22s

>>883024
Also avoid CRT threads, emulation threads, yard sale threads and Craiglist threads.

>love 7 -> hate 7, love 6 -> hate 6 love 9 -> ???

Want to take bets on the next one in the cycle?

>>879903