/vr/ - Retro Games

Of those choices, probably the DualSense. But personally, if it were up to me, it'd be a DualShock 3.

>>8790669
The new Xbox controllers are better for PC than Sony's offerings, and the D-Pad doesn't suck anymore. Hori's stuff is also badass and generally cheaper if you want a wired situation.

>>8790693
I’m OP and yeah dude the Hori looks kino. Honestly I might snag a Elite Series 2 and a Hori

One controller will never be acceptable for all retro.

>>8790669
Modern Xbox and PlayStation controllers are both really good. I’ve used a DualShock 4 for thousands of hours and it still works great, I can recommend it.

Elite is shit. Just get the Series X controller.

dualshock or dualsense for 2d games of course

Grow a sack you fucking pussy.

>>8790760
You need to die ASAP.

>>8790669
for me it's series x

>>8790738
I second the dual shock 4 suggestion. I've also been using one for a couple thousand hours now, for both modern pc games and emus, and its held up great over time. It's also the most balanced controller ive used for multiple genres. The off center dpad of the xbox controller makes 2d games feel off, and the r1 button on my xbone controller crapped out after about a year.

>>8790669
Dualsense or Elite Series would work fine if it weren't for the stick drift issue.
I'll have to recommend the DS4. DS3 if you're playing a pressure sensitive game.

>>8790669
I actually found the Switch Pro controller to be very nice. Seems the buttons and sticks are very tight

>>8790669
These are all shit.

>>8790968
Nice standard boring contrarian unimaginative 4chan response. Anon lets be fucking honest right now, you’ve used maybe 1 - 3 of these controllers, and even if you lie and say you’ve used all of them, you’re boring and don’t add anything to the topic. Fuck off.

>>8790849
Stick drift? Would you mind elaborating, how serious is the issue?

>>8790669
DualSense. USB-C instead of flimsy micro, very low input lag, great d-pad, great shoulders, great triggers, great ergonomics for large hands, tons of input options between touchpad buttons, mic (which can be bound as a button), swipe, and gyro.

>>8790849
>>8791027
>stick drift
christ do people really take this shit care of their stuff? had my dualsense for almost 2 years now after having a ds4, very used, for 3. No stick drift, though my battery life has dwindled.
basically all the good things i can say this guy just did >>8791028

>>8791027
It's a rare issue with earlier controllers and you have a 1 year warranty. All the newer controllers have thicker springs and improved analog sticks. Best way to know for sure you get a newer one is to just buy the blue/purple/pink variants. All the newer controller variants coming out now *should* have it but those 3 colors are guaranteed to have it. You can tell by a small "A" on the back by the model number

Just do the xbox one, it just werkz

>>8790760
>gamepad stops accepting inputs when you press too many buttons at once
nothing personnel

>>8790686
This. Get a Dualshock 3 instead, way way cheaper than dualshock 4 and it does the same job.

>>8790669
What's a good budget gamepad for a poorfag? My beloved old Saitek P990 had the dpad snap, and I need to replace it. I wish I could repair/replace it, but that doesn't appear possible.

>>8790669
ps5 or dualshock
ps4 was acceptable i guess but i didnt really care for it
i still use ps1 remotes with a usb adapter most of the time


quality arcade stick will always be superior though

>>8790897
oh ya i forgot about those as well, i use wired clear ones with LED in them theyre dirt cheap

>>8790968
Okay.
Do you have a good controller to contribute then?

>>8790686
>>8791069
>Dualshock 3

If only it wasn't almost impossible to find them originals and not beaten to death

>>8791028
Ergonomics wise how well does the dualsense stack against the ds4?

After years of using the ds1, ds2 and ds3 for some reason the ds4 didn't do the trick for me, could never shake the feeling it was just uncomfortable to use, kinda wider compared to the prior itterations.

>>8791075

If you can't afford the latest version of the normal xbox controller just get the oldish
xbox s one, as some other anon said, it just werkz

>>8791228
DualSense is very chunky and feels really great especially for larger hands and with a grip where you use both fingers per hand (index on shoulder, middle on trigger, I hit them more with the middle of my fingers). It felt a bit heavy at first, but now I guess I got used to it because it doesn't feel heavy at all. DS4 feels more like gripping a tennis racquet or something, while DualSense allows you to have a more relaxed grip.

>>8791228
Never liked the DS4 either. Problem for me was the handles don't taper down to a smaller size at the ends. I held the DS1-3 on my fingers instead of placing it in my palms. The DS4 was made so that you would hold it in your palm but I don't like that since my thumbs would be closer to the face of controller.

>>8791029
>christ do people really take this shit care of their stuff?
I've had the black Dual Sense for about a year before the drift happened 2 weeks ago. It was my daily driver for most games. If it's "rare" as >>8791030 points out, then fine; I'll give another one a go with the newer models. Not having any hope for it though.

>>8790669
If you actually own a dual-analog controller you should use it, it's max comfy and has none of that useless rumble meme.

got the series x 5 months ago, it feels sturdy but a bit small in my hands, best controller i had so far and began with the snes in 1995
any controller of this generation should work but no one knows how long they will last

just go for wat it looks best to you and your wallet

8bitdo

>>8790669
These ones.

>>8790669
Dualsense

>>8791069
>way way cheaper than dualshock 4
If it's actually true for you you should resell them for huge profits.

I dunno how hori gets recommended so much, they haven't made a decent dpad in 20 years

>>8790693
Xbox 360, One and Series controllers 'just werk' on anything PC related, 100% hassle free.
Said that, I don't like the dpad on Series, yes, it's clicky but there's something off I can't quite grasp, Idk, it feels slow.
PlayStation controllers are much more comfortable IMHO, but their dpads, well, you either love or hate them and it's a very personal thing. DualSense & DS4 are peak confort.
SNES like dpads are my favorite and I have one cheap SNES usb pad for console emulation of 2d games.
For MAME games & console shmups I have an arcade controller.

>>8791578
i gave this to my now ex
she didn't understand what it was
plugged it into her snes mini & said the cord was short

>>8790669
arcade stick for anything that doesn't require dual analog

>>8791779
It’s because

>le six face buttons
But to make it actually viable for general emulation it would need to have another analog

>>8791993
While I do understand the need for 6 buttons, it's fucking useless when the dpad feels awful. It's crazy that Microsoft has the best dpad right now. I'd suck a dick for a 8bitdo pro style controller with the Xbox one dpad.

>>8792029
It's a shame Microsoft fucked up their D-Pads for so long, because now they have a killer one and no one believes you when you tell them.

>>8792048
Absolutely true, I even prefer it to the Saturn dpad but I like the positioning of the dpad on the Saturn better

>>8792060
Really good controller.

>>8792060
I wonder how the model 1 Saturn actually plays. The concave d-pad looks awkward as fuck, but intriguing.

>>8790669
8bitdo is releasing a new Xbox-like controller at the end of may. I intend to get that one.
I bought the 8bitdo pro 2 for my mom and the build quality was incredible - also very comfy to hold if ya have smaller/medium sized hands.

>>8792415
Why not just a regular Xbox Core controller?
The Dpad on it is already better than the Pro 2's.

Dualshock 4 end threadddd
Dualsense is nice but it's fat like an Xbox controller, I prefer PS-style controllers that rest in your fingers instead of your palms.
DS3 fucking sucked and made the PS3 experience less enjoyable, blows my mind that people are recommending it.

I've never been a huge fan of Xbox controllers in the past, but the latest one is seriously so good and I'm glad I bought one. Easily my favorite at this point in time. The dpad seriously is that good.

Before I owned that one I would say the DualShock 4. I still bring it out on occasion for modern, controller-centric first-person shooters because of the back button attachment that I bought for it. I always wanted a controller with extra paddles on the back and am happy to say that I appreciate them as much as I thought I would. Only real caveat with them is that they can only be remapped to buttons that already on the controller and not mapped as their own buttons whenever I'm playing with it on my PC, but I have yet to feel like that's seriously limited me in any way.

>>8790669
Xbox since pretty much every PC game and emulator will recognize XInput automatically and 9/10 times I never had to map buttons myself on games or emulators

>>8791884
Ungrateful bitch

>>8790669
I just use whatever controller suits the purpose. For NES, SNES and N64, I use USB adapters for OEM controllers. For Sega games, I use a USB Saturn or Genesis pad. For PlayStation games, I use a DS3. For anything else, I use a XBONE controller. Works 4 me. As far as the best all-around one-stop controller to use, I'd say either XBONE/360 or DS3/4/DualSense, especially if you're going to be playing (modern) PC games as well.

KNEEL
imagine spending more than 30 bucks on a controller

>>8793318
https://youtu.be/DY3lKG9b4go
ibuffalo $21

>>8791241
Yeah, I looked, but god damn. EVERY controller I see listed looks like a downgrade from my P990. What is this RPG-fantasy-world bullshit that nobody knows how to make controllers like that anymore? I mean look at this sexy beast!
Six face buttons aligned correctly, four shoulder buttons, a toggle to swap the d-pad and left analog stick, clickable analog sticks for two extra buttons. The only downside is the D-pad kinda sucks and broke on both of mine.

Now I get a choice: six face buttons with no analog sticks, or dual analog sticks but only four face buttons, or six face buttons and one analog stick, but the face buttons are way different sizes and they're on a falling diagonal instead of rising, so I have to reach my thumb over the top of four buttons to reach the topmost ones. Like WTF.
Why are controller manufacturers retarded now? Saitek was too pure for this world, man.

>>8793709
Actually seven face buttons, the FPS button can be programmed for whatever. It just lights up as a toggle so I don't use it normally.

>>8793709
Hyperkin Duke?

>>8793802
Better, but only one set of shoulder buttons. :/ Like I said, EVERY controller.

If only Logitech hadn't bought out Saitek and gutted them, fuckers. And somehow Logitech's build quality got worse after that, at least in my experience.

>>8793840
So you want zero triggers?

>>8790712
This.

Its so how hard to have a one size fits all controller. What gets prioritized is always different. Xbox style being asymmetrical always puts me off for retro since that is mostly going to focus dpad and buttons. Playstation isn't bad for it outside of those that can't tech enough to install it.

I use an 8bitdo Pro 2 as its a lazy middle ground for a lot of shit, but have a retrolink Saturn controller, joystick, and a PS2 fighting controller handy for other stuff.

Its just hard to squeeze enough space into one controller to have a good dpad, six face buttons, both sets of back buttons, and sticks spaced out enough to be comfortable.

>>8793869
I mean my old Saitek had two sets of shoulder buttons; that's why I said every controller I've looked at feels like a downgrade, it's fewer buttons, worse ergonomics, fewer analog sticks, or some combo of the three. I''ll have to settle on something not as good and versatile, but the frustration is why should I have to? That thing wasn't even a premium or high-end controller 20 years ago.
I could buy another off ebay, but they're old and will likely have the dpad snap too, so I really just wish I could buy a new controller of a similar quality.

>>8793709
This Nuon+ seems very similar to the Saitek. If it isn't available as well.

>>8790669
>>8793709
https://web.archive.org/web/20190706024117/http://retro-bit.com:80/blog/post/retrobit-unveils-first-wave-of-officially-licensed-sega-products

>>8793709
Looks like cheap chinkshit. DualSense gives you four face buttons, a much better d-pad than whatever that abomination is, two stick clicks, two trackpad buttons, a start/select button, trackpad swipe, gyro, two shoulders and two triggers, a PS button, and a mic button. So while it doesn't have a six button layout, it has way more total input options.

>>8793904
That looks pretty sweet, too bad it's also super old and you can't buy them anymore.

>>8794026
It was definitely not "cheap chinkshit." I bought it based on its excellent reputation at the time as the best controller on the market. It was a solid gamepad and played beautifully for about 19 years of gaming before the aging plastic in the d-pad (which admittedly was the weakest thing about it) finally snapped and the top came off leaving a little stump behind. Still works, but not realistically usable.

>>8790669

>>8794016
>>8794058
What happened to this?

>>8793709
Based and Saitekpilled.
I've been using my P220 for more than a decade, and it works perfectly.
Like all Saitek it looks like cheap chink shit, but damn it's actually really awesome.

>>8794217
I never got to try the P220, how's the dpad? Is it the same derpy one as the P990?

>>8790669
PS4

DS4, easily

I got it not thinking it'd be great (I preferred my Xbox 360 controller which finally bit the dust but the D-pad always bothered me even if it's not really that bad). It's been a HUGE help for RPCS3 and Switch emulation due to the gyro. I played through the Dead Space light gun game on PS3, and it would have been unplayable without being able to shake my controller. Switch stuff is obvious like Captain Toad's and I just played through the House of the Dead Remake with it.

>>8794365
Also for retro games, it's easily the best in terms of format. The 360/Xbox One controller makes you hold it unlike how you hold a SNES controller and that's no good.

Though for platformers, it was an odd feeling going from the 360 controller to the PS4 controller. Trying to replay Cuphead was the most obvious example of this obvious mechanical difference where I wasn't nailing my jumps like I could with the 360 controller.

>>8794026
>Looks like cheap chinkshit.
That's because it is. But the lads at saitek were really clever. They picked a target market, clueless kids who thought buzzwords and eyecandy would make them gud, and nailed it. Just look at the cuckling still shilling the thing today. You get this across the board with saitekfags. They couldn't afford a top shelf controller so spent half as much something worth 1/10 as much. Their sunk cost level is >9k.

>>8793709
>>8794026
Don't talk to me about the amount of buttons your pathetic controllers have.

>>8794365
DualSense is just basically the better DS4 now. One more button (mic can be binded on Steam), better triggers, USB-C instead of flimsy micro, and much more comfortable for large hands.

If you do buy DS4, ensure you buy from PS Direct so you get an official one at MSRP

>>8794670
I've seen many videos about it having input lag, but I have no idea how much that has to do with the PS5 and if gaming on the PC negates it

>>8790669
Bought Dualsense, d-pad is horrible and barely usable in tank control games, otherwise fine

>>8794521
Is that more chinkshit orrr?

>>8794058
>>8794061
The fact that the Saturn, Genesis and Dreamcast dual analogue controllers aren't out yet is a travesty.

>>8794509
>clueless kids who thought buzzwords and eyecandy would make them gud
Man, are you way off with this narrative.

>>8794969
They seriously need to release that controller.

>>8790669
I exclusively used PS(DS1->DS4) for the past decade for emulation and PC gaming purposes. My experiences with them, YMMV

>DS1
Solid but d-pad is extremely stiff. Analog L2/L3. Needs an adapter which could introduce input delay.
>DS2
Similar to above but dpad isn't as stiff(and softens over time). From my experience, these wear out and break much more than DS1. YMMV.
>DS3(not sixaxis)
Sturdier than DS2s and uses USB. Digital triggers.
>DS4
Very comfortable and overall solid but the USB port is extremely flimsy(fuck micro usbs). Good bluetooth support and works well with Linux.

If DualSense is an upgrade from DS4, I'd imagine it's a great controller. But at $70, you're paying extra for tech you can't fully use on PC.

If you want a hassle free option, the new Xbox controllers are more affordable(~$50) and works with Windows(10+) out of the box. They're extremely comfortable and solid. The only contention might be its dpad(shape + clicky).

>>8793450
I thought they weren't making the iBuffalo anymore
>>8794061
what do you mean, they sell them on Amazon.

>>8795485
Last time i checked, DS1&2 had digital triggers

>>8794969
>controller that can emulate any relevant retro console controller perfectly
>nah man don't release it
What did they mean by this?

>>8790669
I miss having these around. I owned all variations of the original pads and pic related for PS3. Too bad the dpads got worn out fast because my casual friends would mash hard.

>>8795485
>DS3
>Digital triggers.
Not true. DualShock 3 has analog L2/R2. You probably set something up wrong.

>>8795662
I know, right? Apart from the weirdness of the ABC buttons being twice the size of XYZ, it looks like the perfect versatile controller for me.

>>8794959
Elecom is a Japanese company but the quality is chinkshit tier anyways.

>>8795558
>>8795558
Yea my bad, it's been awhile.

>>8790669
I'm about to order one of these suckers right here.

>>8793282
To be fair, the cord of the Wii Classic Controller Pro without an extension is barely longer than my arm, which is not good for comfortable playing unless you enjoy sitting no more than 5 inches from your TV.

>>8794727
Input lag is literally identical on both, and extremely low (2ms). You should be doing the 1000Hz overclock though. For DualSense, you do 250 in hidusbf, which is the equivalent to 1000Hz. It can go up to 8000Hz but that might cause issues in some games and may be taxing on your CPU. DS4 only goes up to 1000Hz and you do 1000 in hidusbf

>>8794765
DualSense d-pad is god-tier for 2D games

>>8795821
I’m pretty sure DS2 had analog shoulder buttons too. I recall that being the case when playing Ace Combat.

>>8792414
It plays surprisingly well, works pretty well with crosshair type of games like Panzer Dragoon for example.

>>8793840
The hyperkin duke has two sets of shoulder buttons; an R1, R2, L1, and L2.

>>8796276
There's only one tiny "RB" shoulder button visible in that pic, though?

>>8796293
yeah, and that was added to the hyperkin one.

it still retains the og duke's original analog trigger set

I want an XXL sized gamepad...
When i was little, all gamepads were pretty big for my child hands, but now i grew up and i fucking hate how the gamepads are all very tiny and small, makes hands crampy.
Is there any brand that actually bothers to make XXL-sized Gamepads? I never found any on Amazon or the likes

>>8793840
I have a Hyperkin Duke, it's your best bet. We're all in that same boat you are. 6 face buttons, 2 sticks, 1 D-Pad, 2 shoulder buttons, 2 triggers. The black and white buttons are bound to the shoulder buttons. It works great for my emulation setup, but it feels flimsy.

>>8796339
duke is the biggest gamepad I know of

>>8796358
flimsyness is sorta there, I will say it rumbles like a portable earthquake though

Using usb for controllers was a mistake

>>8796358
>The black and white buttons are bound to the shoulder buttons

How about a good Six Button option for Genesis, Saturn and N64?

>>8790760
>picked up a pair of these shitters cheap a decade ago because it's the Epic Megagames meme controller
>it sucks ass
Thanks, Jazz

Is the PS5 controller a good one to play PS2 games or is it not a good alternative?

>>8791228
dualsense is shit, even worse than ds3. ds4 is the one

>>8796536
Yeah, it's great. Only downside is it has no pressure sensitive buttons.

>>8795460
>Man, you nailed it but I'm wearing clueless kid goggles

>>8796374
Because that's what became of the black and white buttons on the OG Xbox. They morphed into the bumpers of the 360 controller.

>>8791578
How’s the input lag on those Wii badboys?

>>8796769
Yeah but that's no reason to have two separate buttons be wired to the same output. Let 'em be configurable, assign 'em to shoulder buttons if you like, or not.

>>8796913
since i use a wired connection, not really existent, but RA adds some of it that you need to get rid of by default on the latency options, but playing on a Gsync monitor usually helps.

>>8790760
I used to have one of those for my first PC. Beige G3 266mhz. Myself and a friend managed to get though most of Secret of Mana.

Xbox power a spectra

8bitDo Pro 2
Those little guys are amazing for retro stuff

>>8797061
Why are you just making shit up you know nothing about? There is a lot more to input lag than just whether it's wired or not, and RetroArch (and emulation in general) is just as low or lower than original hardware *before* you even include the additional run-ahead benefit. This idea that emulation (or RetroArch specifically) is laggy is outdated bullshit.

If you want specific input lag for any controller on PC, it can all be found here:
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

>>8798539
>is just as low or lower than original hardware
real fast save states don't count, how much do they pay you guys?

>>8798546
I've literally tested hundreds of games with a 240fps slow-mo camera and counted frame-by-frame. Cope original hardware cuck

>>8798595
They must make it worthwhile huh?

>>8798595
Oh i know this guy, he's a macfag lol

>>8795707
that ain't weird, kid.

let's argue about it

>>8791578
>using a collector's piece connected to a wii remote instead of just getting the buffalo SNES pad for like $20
might as well just open the gamecube SNES pad at that point at least you aren't dealing with AA batteries

>>8795825
I have that one. The quality is okay but the button bindings are extremely weird with retroarch. I also have the 8bitdo one which is better in every way.

>>8799113
Can I use it as a wired controller? I also noticed there is a cheaper 2.4ghz version compared to the Bluetooth one.

>>8793318

My R3 button doesn't work :(

>>8799052
It doesn't matter how long some people have been doing it, it's still weird.

>>8793318
I own a shit ton of these. Owned an F510 for a time but my dog chewed it and getting an F310 was much cheaper. Been buying them up as I found them at flea markets for like $5 or less and in pretty much new condition. These are by far the best budget controllers you could ever get.

>>8793709
I own a pair of Saitek P2500 controllers. They are my favorite 6 button USB controllers but the dpad on both are dying and have not come across anymore of these at flea markets. I refuse to buy one online and would need to be desperate for a fresh controller.

>>8799113
>>8799158
This thing sucks, don't fall for the memes. A controller for toddler hands and feels cheap as fuck

>>8799074
Never realized how similar these were, huh. Switch Pro D-Pad isn't great for accuracy but feels good, the Xbox S controller d-pad is not good.

>>8798406
Don't listen to this guy. I bought one and it is inferior to DS4 in pretty much every way. Horrible input lag and missed inputs on both dpad and buttons when doing quick taps.

>>8799348
i've had a switch since launch and just got the pro controller because my left joycon is completely shot. the first time i held the pro controller i thought of the xbox S controller. the placement of the home and screenshot button over the start and sele-i mean plus and minus buttons is completely retarded. the black and white buttons and start select on the S controller are far superior. also the analog triggers are better and the switch triggers don't map to N64 games correctly. overall the switch pro is a $80 pile of shit

>>8798539
>RetroArch (and emulation in general) is just as low or lower
Only is copeville kiddo

>>8799494
Copeville

Population: You

>>8791029
>christ do people really take this shit care of their stuff?
Kill yourself retard. I had a ps3 controller that lasted 5 years before it died and I had to get a ps4 controller. The piece of shit started drifting after 3 months. It was kept in the exact same conditions as the ps3 controller

>>8790669
Whatever you buy, it absolutely NEEDS to have an analog stick. These retards recommending old as fuck controllers with only d-pads are too young to know or too stupid to remember how painful using a d-pad for everything can be after a while. Playing with that shit as a kid was a test of endurance. There's a reason nobody will ever make a controller in that shape again.

>>8799573
Lol stfu you little faggot bitch. I used multiple DS4 controllers for years very heavily and never had a single one drift in the slightest. You're a fat fuck who treats your controllers like shit

>>8799584
That's only with those tiny ass cross-shaped d-pads. Something like the PS controllers has a very comfortable d-pad

>>8799530
Good, now show real hardware, i dare you.

>>8799584
lol wat

>>8799710
Kill yourself you fucking retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qys9sdzJKI

>>8799719
Staged in, because how did you managed to get retroarch to put 240p on a tv crt?

>>8799758
You're a fucking retard. Kill yourself.

>>8799530
>lag
>/laɡ/
>verb
>verb: lag; 3rd person present: lags; past tense: lagged; past participle: lagged; gerund or present participle: lagging
>1. A character jumping in a video game
Cope harder, my poor little baby.

>>8799719
why should anyone give a fuck about some random anon's opinion when people doing speedruns are not using run-ahead.

>Sony makes a perfect D-pad for the Vita
>never uses it again, in either their DS4 revisions or the Dualsense
The fucking people in charge of that company I swear to god.

I've been all over the internet looking for a controller that uses the same buttons, but there's just nothing in production. Xbone yes, but it uses a different type of switch thats less pleasant on top of its poorer ergonomics.
And the really frustrating thing is the DualSense and the Switch Pro controllers, the latter with its notoriously shitty D-pad, have the correct type of microswitch on the god damn PCB except they only use them for the start/select/share etc. If they spent the extra .1cent per unit on tactile switches for at least the D-pad instead of carbon contact membrane rubbers we wouldn't be having this conversation. And yeah they're more fragile, but so are the Alps potentiometer analogue sticks everyone uses nowadays and the failure/drift rate of those has never been a concern.

So, having driven around all night looking for an all-you-can-eat seafood restaraunt and not found one, I've ordered a bunch of snap-dome switches and I now apparently have to go fishing, and learn CAD; to make a gerber file or some shit to fab a custom flex cable to insert into my D.Sense/Switch Pro controllers, +/- stl files to 3D print a new D-pad lever arm.
Thanks Nintendo/Sony you cheap fucks.

>>8799874
It's not even about run-ahead or not. Emulation in general (even without run-ahead) is still lower lag than original hardware. And people are doing speedruns with emulators where allowed. I believe speedrun guidelines don't actually even allow run-ahead anyways but I'm not entirely sure.

>>8799971
If you're getting lower than the original hardware lag you're probably using an inaccurate emulator/settings. Case in point, current N64 emulation on Retroarch has the same amount of lag as the original hardware, but some people claim it has too much lag because they compare it with older plugins that skipped or didn't implement proper framebuffer emulation, which breaks a lot of visual effects (but halves input lag compared to the original hardware).
Otherwise I agree, nowadays whatever input lag Retroarch might (without even considering runahead) is insignificant, people are just referencing tests and article that are half a decade old at least. Good luck convincing some of the users here though, you could show them the individual electrons moving from your controller and they still wouldn't believe you.

>>8799584
The analogue stick controllers are compromise designs pushing the buttons too far away and/or putting the D-Pad in an awkward place. If you are playing something that doesn't use any analogue inputs you should use one with without it because the D-Pad and buttons will be in a better position. The SNES and Megadrive pads were actually very comfortable. The N64 d-pad was surprisingly good, but it's button layout doesn't lend itself to every game.
Also consider an Arcade style controller, especially for arcade games.

>>8796541
Absolute garbage opinion.

>>8790849
Elite has stick drift?

>>8799364
Mine works fine. You're using it wired or through Bluetooth?

>>8799874
Because maybe if he can convince someone else he can start to believe his own lies.

>>8800271
Wired or bluetooth doesn't make a difference, it's how the buttons are built. It simply won't register all quick and light taps like proper controllers would.

>>8800356
I play action games on mine all the time and never experienced any missed inputs like the ones you described.

>>8799971
Runahead is just save-states, it would be considered cheating in anything competitive

>>8800385
Read the first part of that post you insectbrained subhuman.

And save states that are played in real-time and serve no other purpose beyond slightly reducing input lag by X frames are very different from a segmented/TAS run.

>>8800342
that's all any thread is nowadays. it's ridiculously laughable. just stop. say your bit and move on. all of these posts are back and forth between delusional people thinking they are making an impact on other anon's opinions. we're all hard headed here, nothing will convince us of what we think is true regardless of any evidence out there.

>>8790669
Yo, what is that Dualshock 1 in the pic? I don't think i have ever seen a DS1 with those analogs before, I'm interested in that.

>>8800857
It's not a DualShock. It's a DualAnalog, the predecessor to the DualShock. Concave sticks and no rumble.

>>8800863
Oh yeah, i completely forgot about that... Man i was having some hopes that Sony was making some king of rerun of the DualShock 1 or something for some reason, but oh well, thanks for the answer mate.

>>8800705
lol they're literally the same. I am truly dying to know, are you paid by the post? How does the reimbursement work?

>>8800820
>we're all hard headed here
I'm not.

>>8796320
>it still retains the og duke's original analog trigger set
Fake duke's triggers are mushy garbage compared to a real one.

>>8800820
>we're all hard headed here
Not true. Some of these kids are so young they still have a soft spot.

>>8796556
>controller costs 70 bucks
>no analogue buttons
wow great job sony.
but let me guess everybody NEEDS the touchpad?

>>8802308
Analog buttons were rarely ever used on PS2 and were fucking annoying in the few cases they were. You have triggers, sticks, gyro, and touch for analog control and that's enough

>>8802370
>and that's enough
Thank you Sony marketing executive.

>>8802385
Shit was annoying as fuck in MGS3. Trying to press the button with very light pressure, I hated it.

>>8795881
The face buttons too, making a whole handful of games not playable as intended! Jokes aside, the analog face buttons only come up (to my knowledge) as the map zoom control in Ace Combat, weapon drawing in some Metal Gears, a handful of gimmicks in some of the PS3 Ratchet & Clank games, and as a throttle in some racing games (such as Wipeout, where you want to disable that anyways).
I'm not sure the DS3 drivers people made for Windows even support that, which is a shame.
It was niche but it'd be nice to have some controller that has that function without having to bust out an original DS2 or DS3.

Does anyone have any experience with Nacon controllers or other cheaper non official ones? How are they?

>>8802397
how hard is it to just roll your thumb over the button for the stick up motion instead of pressing it completely? lol

>>8790669
I use DualSense with my MiSTer and other emulators.

>>8803239
Um sweetie some people lack fine motor control. Please conscious of people of all levels of ability.

>>8803239
It's difficult enough that I'd rather use basically any other input option to do it, as I usually use very heavy pressure for buttons/keys. More options is *usually* better, but in the case of analog buttons they are extremely limited use and almost always annoying in their implementation.

Reading the thread, is there some sort of consensus on what the best 'one size fits all' controller for emulation is? The DS4? The F310?

>>8790693
How is the sx controller? My 360 has a faulty right bumper and my xbone has a faulty dpad. Both factory new. Been scared to try msoft since. Got an 8bitdo for my bone and love it.

>>8804780
Literally any controller based on the Dualshock. It's been the standard for nearly 25 years. I don't know why babies think they NEED six face buttons for their Sega games (even though they're never used an arcade stick) or N64 emulation (because mapping c-buttons to an analog stick is somehow more awkward than that three-pronged controller with one analog stick was)

>>8804786
I'm super happy with mine, no complaints at all. D-Pad is clicky and accurate, way better than my older Xbox One controller, though even that was a huge improvement over the 360 D-Pad. I would recommend if you're a PC guy or already have an Xbox with one, but the 8bitdo stuff sure gets the job done.

>>8804804
The Super Famicom controller was the standard, Sony fucked it up and Microsoft did it better.

>>8804806
If snes controller was the standard then why didn't nintendo stick with it for the N64? Please tendies just give it a rest
Dualshock is the standard. Every multiplatform game for the past 20+ years has been made to conform to pic related.

>>8799758
I know this is bait but some old GPUs have analog output. There are external DACs as well.

>>8804827
It took sony 3 tries to get it to feel right. dualshock 3 and below have horrible ergonomics but PS4 is perfection

>>8805016
While I agree with you, ergonomics are preference. I'm talking about the controller's compatibility with literally any game.

>Sony
Figured out all the buttons and analog sticks that video games of the future would require in 1997.
>Sega
Never got it right unfortunately. One analog stick on the Dreamcast, really?
>Nintendo
Killed it in the 2D era but I'm not sure when they made a competent 3D controller. Wii U?
>Microsoft
Had the right amount of inputs from the start, but to be fair they started in fucking 2001 kek. And didn't put the inputs in the right places until 2005.

>>8804827
>sony bootlicker calling other people "tendies"

>>8805078
Just a non-poorfag who had just about every major console except the Saturn.
I mean it was pretty obvious during the 6th gen what the standard was and what 90% of games were catered toward

>>8805103
I don't recall anyone questioning your financial status.

>>8805106
Yet I was called a sony bootlicker for recognizing that all non-exclusives were meant to be played on Dualshocks instead of suboptimal Gamecube, Dreamcast, N64 pads.
Look I had em all at one point or another. Game controls were standardized with the dualshock this isn't even a debate. See: every non-Wii game made in the past 21 years.

>>8790669
oh God here we go again
It's personal taste, there are 10 controller threads every day, each person posts the one they like, no one agrees with each other
What I usually say is, keep in mind professional 2D fighting game players use the DS4 exclusively.

>>8805169
I thought they all use a hitbox these days.

>>8805332
There's a mix of pad, stick, and hitbox players. A lot (most?) of the pad players do, in fact, use the DS4, but some use third-party controllers.
Honestly, while the DS4 is a pretty good all-rounder, I don't think it's great for fighting games or anything else that demands very precise inputs. Probably the main reason people stick with it is just familiarity.

>>8805169
>What I usually say is wrong
Then why not just stop saying it?

>>8805398
>Probably the main reason people stick with it is just familiarity.
This is the reason most people who use pad stick with pad (along with some tech you can do thanks to it having two movement inputs).

>>8805052
>Killed it in the 2D era but I'm not sure when they made a competent 3D controller. Wii U?
The Wii classic controller was the best of it's generation, but few games took advantage of it because 3rd party developers suck. Switch pro controller could have been the best if they stuck to the Wii Classic d-pad/analogue stick format, put effort into the d-pad and ironed out some of the other issues, but due to this, the DS4 ends up the most all round, even if that still has its problems.

>>8799016
I have this one somewhere. Beaten many ps2 games on it.

>>8806236
The Switch Pro controller is such a travesty because it's borderline perfect if not for the d-pad and it's nonstandard Bluetooth implementation. And it's like, the first d-pad Nintendo has basically ever completely fucked up- and for no explicable reason. Legit if you swap out the membrane contacts from a SNES controller it works fine, the difference is 0.002 yen worth of rubber between the base of the d-pad and the pcb that would stop it from hitting multiple inputs.

>>8794521
This thing is weird enough to make me want to buy and try one out.

>>8806262
It might be like that by necessity. In principle the joycon allows simultaneous inputs in opposite directions having separate buttons in lieu of a dpad, so games might in principle require that.
Not that it'd be any less of a stupid design choice if this were true.

>>8806747
Oh god you're fucking right-on there, aren't you?
Dammit Nintendo.

Still, they could have put microswitches in the pro as well. Well, I assume anyway that rubber domes resist misinput far less than snap-dome mechanical ones would (the GBA SP switches require about 150g of force to actuate if I recall)

>>8806370
I Would argue that the buttons on any controller need to be different enough to establish effective muscle memory. Pairs of buttons work well, different textures, angles and cardinal left/right/up/down are easiest to feel without looking. Avoids false inputs.

>>8790669
I have a dualsense and I love it. It's everything I could ever ask for in a controller. If the emulator doesnt support it or when I can't change controls I turn on DS4Windows. I love playing with inverse camera in third person games.

>>8810020
You use it wired?

>>8796358
Funny, I was thinking about picking one up the other day since the old microUSB ones were only $60 on Amazon, but then I read about a lot of people having issues with shoddy build quality: sticks drifting, buttons failing and poor support all around. Is it true that it's a roll of the dice to buy Hyperkin garbage or is the Duke replica worth the cash?

>>8790669
They all have shit D-PADs. All of them can't into dpad.

Get a good snes or megadrive controller replica.

>>8810020
>>8810171
Does dualsense work on ps3/ps4?

>>8811669
Nah, mate.
Series X Controllers have excellent dpads compared to anything of the past 2 gens, I'd say.

>>8811875
What's the difference between it and the xbone?
I don't really like the xbone's- for sure it was better than the Switch Pro and DS4 but the mechanism had too much resistance and wasn't in a great place ergonomically. You can tell it was only intended for swapping weapons and other supplementary functions, not for the 2D gameplay. It could do that adequately too but not comfortably better than the DS4. If I want to play a platformer or something I'm still gonna reach for a snes pad with raphnet adapter.

>>8811669
DS4 and DualSense are both excellent. I can't stand tiny little nubby d-pads like NES and SNES

>>8811926
It's super responsive, very precise, and satisfyingly clicky (although some complain that it's too loud).
As someone that uses pad to play fighting games, I would say the dpad is perfect for menus, puzzle games, and platforming. But for fighting games, it's a bit too rigid for my taste.
I have seen people with smaller hands or shorter fingers struggle to use it due to the placement.
As for the Xbox One's controller, I stopped using it a week after I got it. I found the dpad unusable.

>>8811951
Has the DS4 aged well?

Wii U pro controller + mayflash usb dongle
>little to none inputlag
>80h battery life
>four shoulder buttons, no useless triggers
>very comfy
>its unique layout makes it work perfectly with old and new games
Ive used mine since 2014 and its still super solid, battery holds up and analog sticks are little worn but dont drift.

>>8811958
It's not bad at all. Just that newer controllers are far more comfortable due to texture/rubber grips now. Also, the dpad is a bit too low making it feel a little bit mushy. It's good for fighting games though since it makes rolling your thumb for inputs easier.

>>8811958
Just get DualSense. Larger, more comfortable, better shoulders/triggers, better cable, and extra button

>>8811965
>NO ANALOGUE TRIGGERS

Fuck that shit, this was A LOT BETTER.

>>8811965
How is the dpad?

>>8812474
what games do you actually use analog triggers on

>>8812483
Mortal Kombat 3

>>8812486
I guess my question was phrased stupid. Let me try again.
What games do you think actually benefit from having analog triggers?

>>8812490
Mortal Kombat 3, you gay imbecile

>>8812490
Any game that uses an action constantly with the shoulders, like any gba game per example, there is something that feels comforting about slowly pressing down not all the way and still getting the action done, Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance comes to my mind when pression L & R to dash, on gba the triggers tend to suck and break specially on the gba sp, but emulating on this baby >>8812474 makes it feel sweet, basically just pressing R to dash sells itself, or in games like Rocketron when you use the jetpack.

>>8812510
And of course FPS and Racing Simulators, but those are a given

>>8811934
????
SNES D-pads almost the same size as the dualshok ones. Are you not mistaking it for the Gamecube ones or some of the portable (e.g. DS) ones?

>>8790669
all of them suck one way or another. XBox controllers in general hurt to hold for more than 20mins.
DS3 breaks too fast
DS2 is incredibly stiff and makes d-pad gameplay a fucking nightmare.
DS4 always has malfunctions somewhere. D-pad input not working, analog stutter, shit disconnecting out of nowhere. Every single one i bought always had some shit going on.

>>8812998
>DS3 breaks too fast
Have you tried not being a raging gorilla?

t. DS3 using fighting game enthusiast for over a decade

>>8812510
that sounds as retarded as using analog stick as d-pad, if the original console/handheld only had buttons, then mapping that to analog stick or trigger is just idiotic as the game takes no advantage of it, as its either off or on, pressed or not, there is no in-between, and you are only fucking yourself since it takes longer and much more effort to register as pressed, not to mention mashing triggers is awful.

And unless you are smashing the triggers like maniac then the shoulder buttons, even on handhelds should last long time, but we aren't talking about handhelds in the first place..

>>8812479
Good, its same as the wii classic controller so if you've ever used that then you know whats its like.

>>8812483
They were a godsend for racing games

Poorfag here, between the F310 and the SN30, which one should I get for emulation?

>>8790669
I think the DS4 is fine, but the DualSense has USB-C so I'd recommend that to someone who owned neither.

I have a DS2 that I regularly use with my actual PS2 and on PC via an adapter. It literally feels perfect to me (probably because I'm a handlet) and it's by far my favorite controller. I wish some chinaman brand would copy the DS2 1:1, maybe add some analogue triggers, and make that shit work out of the box with modern games.

>>8799880
>So, having driven around all night looking for an all-you-can-eat seafood restaraunt and not found one

I understood that reference

Why does nobody make controllers like this? There's a bunch of chinaman shit that has been out of production for 10 years, and beyond that there's just nothing.

>>8810171
yes, i dont have bluetooth

>>8811862
i dont know.

>>8790669
Xbox or anything using Xbox drivers works well for windows but really most controllers will get the job done. Just don't go super cheap

>>8793904
>125
>346
I'm triggered

>>8814574
Microsoft dumped DirectInput, which allowed any number of configurable buttons, in favor of XInput, where everything is an XBox controller, and the market followed.
Yes, it's bullshit. A controller like that is versatile and perfect for emulation, since it can match or approximate the layout of almost any retro controller.

>>8799880
>Sony makes a perfect D-pad for the Vita
>never uses it again, in either their DS4 revisions or the Dualsense
I have the same feeling with the GBA-SP D-pad.

>>8790669
could always snag up a DS3 and hack a SNES dpad in place, for the best 2D controller ever

>>8814889
>guttin up a snes pad

NO!, WHY!, NO

>>8814787
The Vita actually feels slightly better, if you believe it.
Strongly advise you pick one up since they can emulate a ton of consoles on top of playing the whole PS1/PSP/Vita library.

>>8814889
Are they both the same size ?

>>8815065
the DS2 dpad is pretty small and shitty

I wonder why instead of making shitty chink rubber pads for old controllers or the like, why people dont make new pcbs with microswitches or glob top pops (what ever they are) for older controllers? wired and USB.

>>8814720
You've met with a terrible fate I'm afraid.

Why are keyboards so ubiquitous and cheaply mass produced to have universal access to OS/emulators and have loads of inputs and yet we find it so very difficult to get basic controller designs with "too many" inputs made? They're not mined jewels ffs.

>>8815101
8bitdo actually did that with their teal/yellow Nintendo Switch mini controllers (not the mini mini ones, the bigger flat ones) - all the buttons are tactile switches. I kinda want one but I'm not interested quite enough to spend the cash when I hate the colors [they made a red version for 2020 Chinese New Year which looks okay but it's naturally sold out].
Ironically what you posted is the pcb of a PS Vita, specifically the daughter board for the Cross, Square, Circle, Triangle, Start and Select buttons, but I do wonder: it might not be too hard to rig something like that into an actual useable input device if you used a Brook fighting controller as an intermediary (speaking as someone that can solder, but doesn't understand electrical or software engineering).

simple as

>>8815051
>The Vita actually feels slightly better, if you believe it.
Nothing will beat the GBA-SP D-pad, I have the feeling that it was designed just for me.

Well, you know what I mean.

>>8815257
I love it too. It's why nothing until the Vita ever felt "right" again, and why I hate Sony for not putting it in the dualsense and also the Switch Pro controller for being such a massive fuckup by Nintendo.

>>8815348
>I hate Sony for not putting it in the dualsense
Maybe the consoles and the handhelds are too separated and there is no communication between them about the ergonomics.

I dunno...

>>8815506
*too separated markets

>>8790669
if youre doing genesis/saturn emu then get a 6 button, you can find new ones w usb for cheap

>>8790968
No youre right. Get an 8bitdo sn30 or a sega official.

>>8815051
Witch model do you recommend ? The fat or the Slim ?

>>8815602
Get the slim for sure. More modern, much better battery life, comfier

>>8812998
>DS4 always has malfunctions somewhere. D-pad input not working, analog stutter, shit disconnecting out of nowhere. Every single one i bought always had some shit going on.
This is complete bullshit. Fuck off idiot

>>8815602
I like and own the original, but aside from the 2000 models lacking the OLED I hear they're built even sturdier. Their TFT screens aren't bad by any means either it seems, so as far as I'm concerned you can't lose; just look for the best deal you can get on a unit in reasonably good nick. Be aware too that they use I think the same battery chemistry as the PSP so Vita batteries might be beginning to bloat if you're buying an older 1000.
Also with the 1000 models I think you do need at least a small memory card. After installing CFW you'll probably be using an SD card adapter (which fits in the Vita game cart slot) and then onwards you won't need to rely on the proprietary memory any more, but the 2000s have a gig or so internal flash memory so they avoid that problem for the initial setup process. That's one other advantage.

>>8815621
I will say I had a PS4 controller I basically never used and the sticks are completely messed up now. The left stick always reads as being held up and right.

>>8815627
Tanks for the advice, anon.

>>8814371
Can't go wrong with F310

>>8815256
kek I remember when /v/ was collectively wetting itself over that thing before it released

Aren't the psx mini controllers USB?
Wouldn't that be the perfect option if it works on Windows?

>>8794308
Lol yeah its the same one. I don't even understand why it's so good.

>>8816028
>I don't even understand why it's so good.
Because Saitek was trying to make premium quality hardware at a low-to-midrange price. That they succeeded is amazing, but I guess getting bought out and shut down by Logitech is the price for stepping on their toes.

>>8812474
Best dpad sadly otta plug this nigger into a wiimote. Unless there are adaptors for pc?

>>8816135
Google "raphnet"

Well shit. This pad has a better D-Pad than all the rest mentioned in this thread.

Based Amiga comeback. This will be my new 16-8 bit controller.

>>8790669
Throw all those ones away and get one of these bad boys.

Is this legit? It's $60. Seems kind of retarded.

>>8791884
>get gf
>gift her something vidya related
Nigga, why?

Behold, the King of Kings.

>>8816627
Only quads can stop
ULTRA GIGA GAMEPAD

>>8816629
>an infinity button
pretty based ngl

>>8816627
If you were autistic enough to learn which button was which key you could probably triple your typing speed with this thing.

>>8815627
Not that anon, but where the hell do I buy one at a reasonable price? On Ebay they're going for several hundred bucks, and since the Vita was a dud I can only very rarely see someone selling one in my area.

On that note, what value does the Vita have as a general emulation machine over, say, a Switch, Steam Deck, or even an old softmodded PSP? It has no real exclusives of its own, and last I heard all of the homebrew was run through the PSP compatibility layer which severely limits performance for emulation past 4th gen.

first he saved twitter from censorship and now he's saving retro gaming from terrible controls

>>8817129
I think various medical boards and insurance companies might have issues with the idea of optional brain surgery.

>>8817159
That's why they make you sign a waiver.

>>8811965
It is probably best suited for console FPS games, since the thumbs rest naturally on the analog sticks with the fingers on the shoulders. It just needs some buttons the the underside and it would be ideal.

>>8816183
>raphnet
I ain't paying $25usd+postage for that

>official shit
>either has a terrible layout or poor build quality or terrible ergonomics
>anything that requires an adapter
>adapter dies
>anything that isn't official
>chink shit
>anything else
>too frustrating to use beyond a few niche uses

Currently I'm using a Pokkén controller, but it just stops registering inputs randomly in some games. Whatever happened to that microswitch controller someone was making?