/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8786054
>PS1 bricks on the right-most building are better defined
'cast-bros...

>THPS on that DC controller
gross

Xbox had the advantage of universal progressive scan and occasionally 720p. PS2 and GCN were spotty.

>graphicswhore
lol

>>8786054
So what you're saying is that PS2 had an infinitely superior library to the point that any minor graphical advantages the Xbox had were rendered completely meaningless? Spot on comparison I guess

>>8786054
makes sense since the Xbox is considered by some to be the Dreamcast 2

>>8786141
>minor graphical advantages
Lol the cope.

>>8786141
>PS1 to Dreamcast
>minor graphical advantage

>Xbox's main advantage over PS2 was only graphics and not the online play
Lmao this is your brain on Sony.

> we will never live in a world where the dreamcast got a fair chance at real support even in spite of it's shortcomings

makes me wanna kms

>>8786054
xbox=dreamcast 2

>>8786076

>>8786210
Imagine getting into console wars for dead systems.

>>8786076
It works fine. I went from PS1 to DC as a kid. Had no problems with THPS2. Maybe you just have baby manlet hands?

lyl

>>8786383
PS1 to N64 ports and vice-versa were never pretty.

Ugly-as-sin PS1 ports on N64:
>Tony Hawk
>Mega Man 64 (Legends)
>Resident Evil 2 it's a remarkable technical achievement and the character models admittedly aren't bad by N64 standards but still
>Gex
>Wipeout 64 (XL)

Choppy, messy N64 ports on PS1:
>Glover
>Shadowman
>South Park
>Rayman 2
>Space Station Silicon Valley

>>8786383
soulless and spunkless

>>8786181
>make sense
>Deadcast 2
Nope.

>>8786054
The difference in graphics is even bigger with Splinter Cell :

https://youtu.be/1Qsb7s_knsQ

Quite a few games with PS2 as lead platform being ported to Xbox with missing graphical effects, sometimes same happened with ports to PC as well.
There's been a few interviews that mentioned this over the years and apparently the fancy vector units on the PS2 could be used for all sorts of cool framebuffer effects at basically no cost to performance but porting them was a pain in the ass so they often ended up just being omitted from other versions.

>>8786054
soul v soulless

>>8786383
>xbox has no SPUNK

>>8786108
Gamecube also had weak as fuck shaders and materials, weakest of the generation.

>>8786768
Ehhh. 1st party/lead platform games had some pretty fantastic looking water, shaders, and other effects thanks to its programmable TEV. It just didn't fare well with multiplat shit, especially if it was made by western troglodytes. Unlike the Xbox, which was Chad enough to bruteforce things, the GC didn't handle code/graphics ported from the PS2 very well. Just as the PS2 shat the bed on games developed for the GC. See: Killer7 and RE4.

>>8786583
PS2 was definitely the maze architecture of its gen. 2 parallel VPUs synched to the CPU is some serious puzzle shit only a little easier than the Saturn was last gen. I found mostly its exclusives, or original games before ports at least, looked a generation ahead of the games it got that were developed simultaneously for all systems or ported in PS2's direction, which frequently looked worst of all versions (giving tons of players the false idea that the hardware power ranking worked XBox > GCN > PS2).

My theory is that in those circumstances they would write a single straightforward codebase that could just run normal (PC-like) on XBox and Gamecube with an actual single-threaded CPU and GPU arrangement, but would just use part of the PS2's resources so that it could just work the same with the least re-writing of game code: minimal use of parallel processing features. That would have been easiest by far and probably the only way to stay in budget for many of them. If you make a sports game you have to churn out every year, you do this for sure, no contest.

>>8786129
Not only the Xbox had the best graphics, it was also the most developer friendly console available back then. It also had plenty of RAM so it could run more complex games that others couldn't, like Morrowind, Fable, and KOTOR.

>>8786346
>get btfo
>"c-console warrior!"
Kek. 6th gen is the only one where I owned all the major consoles. Xbox was clearly #1 or #2

>>8786363
>worse d-pad
>fewer buttons
>triggers instead of shoulder buttons
>knife edge grips instead of rounded grips
stick your hand size strawman up your ass, faggot.

>>8787420
Don't forget HL2 and Deus Ex 2 games that could only run on the superior hardware of the Xbox

>>8787628
Touched a nerve? Why so mad shorty?

>PS2 is to Xbox as PS1 is to Dreamcast.

so it's a better console?

>>8786542
Same with Double Agent.

>muh graphics thread
wow, this place really is just /v/ now huh. except without the porn threads, so it's just a bunch of faggots

>>8787610
>Fails to understand I am a spectator on a board with multiple anonymous users

>>8786054
Is his back really like that

>>8786542
>Xbox looks like a whole new generation
>But runs like shit
Every time.

Is there any highly normal-mapped game that maintains 60 FPS on it?

>>8788701
His back is really like that.

>>8786768
Not didn't.

>>8787420
Nice, a powerful box with nothing to play in it

>>8786768
The Gamecube was at least PS2's equal, though there were always some odd quirks differentiating the two.

>>8788701
Isn't yours?

>>8789312
When AF isn't an option I'd probably prefer no mipmaps, I'd rather look at noise than mush.

>>8786542
Damn.

>>8786583
It's just that dumb Japs couldn't into DirectX

Black is often called one of the best looking games for XBOX and the PS2 version looks identical

>>8789875
>aliasing

>>8786383
For me it's PC.

>>8789875
>Black is often called one of the best looking games for XBOX
By people who really like ugly games.

>>8789924
It's a little bright but it has the most content.

>>8789951
Xbox mostly had grimy, brown games to appeal to "mature" audiences. I think only JSR Future and Outrun 2 broke the mold.

>>8786317
Fuck off

>>8789958
I was more of a THPS3 boi anyway. Editing the files for t-shirts and board skins in a crappy image editor that came with my dad's first digital camera.

>>8789958
Are all the mods still based on the US version instead of the Korean version? I don't want to use the version with less content.

>>8789875
I've only ever heard it called one of the best looking games for PS2

>>8786054
>Console A with more games than Console B, is like Console C with more games than Console D
yes

>>8786141
>>8787662
>>8790051

>>8789015
It was the cheapest way to play those big games back when gaming PC cost a fortune. PS2 couldn't run anything like those games.

PS2 was the console for third worlders and jarpig fujos. Xbox was the console for halo bros and nerds. Gaycube was the console for manchildren and tr*nnies.

>>8786054
no body disputes that the xbox had the best graphics of the generation. it was the only console that could pull off normal mapping, which makes graphics take a substantial leap in quality. the ps2+psx library is far better, though.

>>8790958
>the ps2+psx library is far better, though.
It's bigger, but xbox was the only one that could run the next gen games PChads were playing.

>>8787628
Kek what a butthurt manlet bitch

>>8786210
Meh, online play wasn’t a big deal for most of the sixth gen. XBL on the Xbox was decent but it really hit its stride with the 360.

>>8786076
Yeah, same deal with Tomb Raider. Prettier port, but the Dreamcast D-pad blows ass, and playing on a thumbstick is shit.
At least Dreamcast fighting games can be played on an arcade stick, but shit's unnatural for Tony Hawk's.

People take this graphical advantage of xbox over ps2 as merit.
Reality check: xbox was released a full year and a half (18 months) after ps2. Reason why xbox has better hardware and therefore can produce better graphics in multiplaform games. It is like comparing geforce2 and geforce3.
Imagine what sony enginers could have done if they had a full extra year to work on the EE and GS.

>>8791157
But nobody's comparing hypothetical Xbox to hypothetical PS2, they're comparing the consoles that exist. Yeah, there's a reason the Xbox looks better, but at the end of the day, it still is part of the same generation and still looks better.

>>8789312
I hate this stupid fucks channel so much. He's fucking uses emulators for his comparisons.

>>8791157
>Imagine what sony enginers could have done if they had a full extra year to work on the EE and GS.
They still couldn't match the xbox unless they're selling the PS2 at a significant loss. The Xbox caused microsoft to bleed money. Also the xbox used a pentium 3 CPU that had already existed for a few years.

Also one full year is nothing. There was a 4 year gap between the PS1 and the DC which was justified by the performance leap. And sometimes it doesn't matter at all. Despite being 2 years newer than the mega drive and 5 years newer than the Amiga, the snes was inferior to them in many ways. NES was inferior to the C64 despite being more than a year newer. More than technological gap, it's a matter of how much the company is willing to spend on a product.

>>8786542
I know xbox has superior everything: Resolution, lighting, textures, alpha effects etc... BUT
I do prefer the ps2 graphics. They have a comfy Je ne sais quois to them

>>8789875
Blac/k/ chads ww@?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QqXrW1WpZA

>>8786141
I had all three from essentially day 1 in their prime.
I have no fanboyism (cuck mentality).
It’s hard to pick a “winner” that gen, but it’s easy to pick a loser; The Gamecube.
Xbox had an absolute fuckton of exclusive first party games, Japanese and Western.
Only snoyniggers think original Xbox had no games. They only had a PS2 and didn’t ever care to browse the Xbox library, therefore they think only PS2 had games. “I didn’t own this so it didn’t exist.” This is the thought process behind these posts. I remember kids not caring about Xbox games simply because they didn’t have one, they only knew Halo, and now these children are posting in /vr/ as manchildren.
Xbox had: Halo, Halo 2, Breakdown, JSRF, Blood Wake, Crimson Skies HRTR, Fable, Morrowind, Crazy Taxi 3, DoA3, Jade Empire, KOTOR 1+2, Riddick, Conker, Ninja Gaiden… those are just the must plays I can name off the top of my head (I also owned them all), there’s a lot more.
Ultimately PS2 had a larger exclusive library, but original Xbox burst in swinging, and many of those games are too advanced to have ran on a PS2, especially something like Riddick. That plus the fact almost everything looked and played better on Xbox made it an attractive package.
Fanboys are a plague.

>>8789312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhS6ZyVFb4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKTY4XzmVpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtya9tpxmg

>>8786409
What's wrong with the RE2 port? Imo it looks better than the PSX version save for the FMVs. I agree with the rest though.

>>8787420
Wow anon, that almost makes up for the ZERO amount of games on that console! You sure showed the guy you were responding to!

>>8789958
I always felt that non PS1 THPS2 versions didn't have enough animation frames. It looks so clunky.

>>8792517
backgrounds look like shit and the audio quality is crushed to hell

>>8792530
Pretty sure that's just due to the polygon wobbling not being present in those.

>>8791157
Cope. PS3 came out later than the 360 and it still sucked.

>>8792324
>>>/v/ and touch grass
You will NEVER have games.
>Xbox had: Halo, Halo 2
It's over.

>>8792324
but PS2 had Deus Ex

>>8792589
this

>>8792652
>we have deus ex at home

>>8792519
>997 games on this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games
>Over the course of the original Xbox's life, there were around 1000 game released for it....
https://xbox.fandom.com/wiki/Xbox_(console)#:~:text=Over%20the%20course%20of%20the,was%20released%20in%20August%202008.
That's nearly 300 more than what the NES, SNES, and Genesis got.

>>8792324
>xbox fanboy
>fanboys suck
It's almost impressive how much autists lack self awareness.

>>8792628
>I didn’t own this so it didn’t exist !

You just proved him right, moron.

>>8786337
Well what do you do for a memory unit?

>>8786108
>XBox is the only console that looks good on a LCD
yeah, no shit

>>8789875
looks like any generic soulless brown&bloom ps3/x360 fps shooter for mature gamers or whatever

>>8794647
Plug it into another port

>>8786346
>Imagine getting into console wars for dead systems.
>/vr/

>>8786768
Resident evil 2 and 3 are superior on GC, but There is something charming about the dithering and warping textures on ps1.

>>8786768
>>8795512
whoops. i'm retarded. I'm talking about ps1 games in a ps2 thread.

>>8786210
Dreamcast was a PS2 competitor, not a PS1 competitor. Comparison is worthless.

>>8786054
As soon as I can save up $40USD, I'll look into the Series X version. Does it lack anything the prior iterations have?

>>8792589
Are you retarded, a troll-baiter or just a sony hater?

>>8786054
Why is he a hunchback tho

>>8786108
XBox didn't go full HD until the XBone because of the limitations of them using DVD as their physical medium. They're a whole generation behind Sony's bluray in that because of it, and with multiplats they routinely fucked Sony by getting devs to do games for the 360 as the native system while the PS3 just got ports beneath what the PS3 could actually do.

PS2 didn't fuck XBox by getting devs to limit XBox to PS2 ports. X360 did fuck PS3 by doing exactly that.

>>8797959
xboring

>>8786337
I have two of these. Its the only real solution to the dc controllers problem. Standard controller is a piece of useless rubbish. The ascii 6 button pads are useless. And the stock green giblin stick is rubbish too.

>>8789996
The only thing the Korean version THPS2 has is Korean music that doesn't replace the current ost and 4 Korean singers as skaters and that's it.

>>8786317
True

https://youtu.be/_ezKwTtXoZU

>>8794906
Almost every fps on xbox360 and ps3 was cod 4 reskins.

>>8798939
Personally I like the standard controller except in fighting games and THPS.

DOA2:
https://youtu.be/rdbX4d0LscQ?t=92
I prefer the DC game over the PS2 version visually. The PS2 game has some nice visual effect and lighting upgrades. But it always looked washed out to me. Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate does show off how powerful the Xbox was in comparison to the PS2. The Xbox was a real beast of a console with its 733MHz coppermine CPU that was similar to some of the laptop CPU's from that time period. It's a customised CPU but intel did sell desktop/ laptop equivalents. , and a GeForce3 that was modified to be closer to a GeForce 4. And 64MB pool of RAM. In 2001, I had a GeForce 2 in my PC with 64MB of VRAM and 128MB of system RAM and a Pentium 533MHz CPU. The Xbox really didn't look to bad in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtKLmiGwj0

>>8795502
Somehow still missing the point.

>>8797814
Are you?

>>8787628
Handlet cope lol

>>8787628
>triggers instead of shoulder buttons
But thats a good thing

>>8786070
I think it’s less that they’re sharper looking bricks and more that you’re just seeing the pixels of the lower res texture

>>8789862
It wasn't just Japs that couldn't into DirectX, western and pcsx2 devs had the same problems such as with GTA:SA's color filter, among other things.

>>8786070
it's called texture filtering you fucking retard

>>8798932
>spotted an X360 fanboy
How many did you own due to remote-bricking and RRODs? Ten? Fifteen?

>>8801026
A lot of PS3 games still hold up.

>>8794906
>ps3/x360
>in the times of the ps2 and the xbox
you just had to be there to get it

>>8786141
>>8792324
kill yourselves console war fags

>>8794639
>see i have shovelware exclusives too
congratulations lmao next you will say blinx is a great 3D platformer

>>8786141
>unironically bragging about playing the worst version of multiplat games
lmao snoys are such cucks

>>8801935
>unironically bragging about multiplats
exclusive to mentally ill xtrannies

>>8794906
I always felt this way too.
At the time, everyone was sucking BLACK's dick (lol bbc), but it came out right at the tail-end of the BROWNANBLOOM SHOOTANGAEMS trend.
The market was so fucking saturated with generic modern war or WWII FPS games that people were starting to lose distinction between the major franchises (CoD, Battlefield) and the hundreds of third-party FPS games trying to piggyback on the formula.
It looked generic as fuck to me then, and it looks generic as fuck to me now. Sure, it may have polished all of the old staple features of the brownanbloom shooters, and even added leaning or whatever FPS kids cum their pants over, but it was just too late. It was like when WoW came in offering the absolutely most perfect mirror-polished theme-park MMO experience... but the Everquest boat already sailed. I was already playing Ragnarok and looking at other games trying to break the mold. Too bad we regressed instead, and everyone just started trying to copy WoW (the game that got famous by trying to copy EQ).

>>8801354
We are talking about multiplats sony fanboy, it doesnt matter how your epic interactive movies and walking simulators hold up.

>>8801954
He's right, just about every exclusive that gen was fucking horrendous.

>>8801954
He is right about multiplats tho. Doesnt mean they are better than the exclusives but shit like gta, nfs, tony hawk, madden, fifa and shit were more important to the masses than ico or okami

>>8803080
>>8803121
he really isn't. the only multiplat where xbox clearly has an advantage is chaos theory. games like silent hill and mgs2 run like absolute shit on xbox. I can give fatal frame 2 to xbox due to the directors cut never being released on ps2, but that's it.
xbox is obviously more powerful hardware, but it does not show it in multiplats at all. and out of xbox exclusive the only true good game in Ninja Gaiden, maybe even Breadown if I'm feeling generous.

>>8803157
>games like silent hill and mgs2 run like absolute shit on xbox.
Literally the only two games where the PS2 version is in any way better than the Xbox. And the only framerate issues are during particle dense moments in MGS2.

Why have people been trying to push Microsoft as Sega 2.0 as of late?

>>8803080
I'm sorry your parents bought you a box with no games

>>8803456
I was never given a 6th gen box, which is why I'm able to look at their exclusives objectively. Most of the shit peddled is complete garbage, Nintendo and Sony especially, with Microsoft at least it's just trash like Halo, for instance Xboxhuge kids didn't take fucking what's it called cat game and pretend it was good like PS2 owners with Ratchet and Clank and all the other forgettable furry shovelware.

8803483
>t.thinks blinx was the peak of 3D platformers
kwab

>>8794906
>>8802004
Both of you are stupid and wrong and gay, black came out a whole year BEFORE cod4 released and started the era of modern military shooters, something you would know if you were at any point lucid at the time, or if you had even looked up the fucking years the games came out to save yourself the embarrassment, because before 2007 modern shooters were made for the same weirdos that play insurgency or squad today, not the type of people who played halo 3 and cod4 (although there is some overlap) The "tail-end" of the trend started was 2011-12 when everyone started to make near-future-modern-shooters in an attempt to chase cod and halo at the same time. You would know all of this if you weren't such a retard, its not like it happened quickly or covertly