/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8783927
It's OK to use whatever the fuck you want anon.

>>8783932
Sure, but I think everyone agrees older games look better on a CRT due to the mask effect.

>>8783927
i'm impressed really i figured you guys would run out of crt discussion, but you're still goin strong with "what is okay" "tell me what is okay"

well i'll tell you that i have a prideful history of selling x-boxes for over a hundred american dollars to weak transients and fools. i buy the box for twenty and i just jack that big old box up to $100, and suggest they play "munch oddyssey, so they can get munched"

been doing this for about 25 years actually used to buy them for 200 and sell them for 100 until i was like what am i donig man and then i got my business sense and it's history from there. thanks for asking

>>8783927
Depends on the game. Lots of pre-rendered stuff? CRT all the way. Flat colors and simple shapes? LCD is fine. Like Super Mario World is fine with an LCD but Super Mario RPG looks bad

>>8783927
>games look good on an LCD too

analog video signal = analog display technology
digital video signal = digital display technology

>>8783939
Why are you spamming this board with incoherent nonsense about selling Xboxs for 100 dollars?

>>8783927
all of them

>>8784041
The guy doesn't know he could have paid 20 or 30. and i set him up with an xbox for a hundred. not confusing.

>>8783927
Dreamcast and up look best on a LCD.
PS2 and down look best on a CRT.

>>8784112
Dreamcast was sort of a weird one output wise. You don't see too many systems with VGA output. And it's a real shame that wasn't more standard.

>>8784069
Actually, the guy didn't know he could've had a V8.

>5th gen and under
Consumer CRT

>6th gen
Dreamcast: CRT monitor
Gamecube, Xbox: an EDTV would be optimal but they're rare. So, pick between a consumer set and a CRT monitor. But these won't look bad through component on an hdtv
PS2: Consumer CRT (most games don't support 480p)

>7th gen and up
LCD for ease, although they will look great on an HD CRT

>>8783939
Where do you get Xbox for so cheap?

If the game has a 4:3 resolution available and the platform you are playing has native composite out, then 10/10 times you should use a consume TV with a CVSB (composite RCA) connection. If it has S-Video, use S-Video though. Otherwise, if the game is only 16:9, then LCD will be the best way to go because more than likely the text will be really fine and hard to read on a consumer TV.

>>8784021
Simple as.

>>8784217
This. However, I would prefer playing the Wii on a CRT monitor except for Virtual Console games, which should be played on a consumer CRT.
In fact, I would categorise the Wii as being part of the 6th Gen in terms of technology.
I don't know if there were any Wii games that didn't support 480p but a vast majority of Wii games were indeed in 480p.

>>8783927
Use whatever you want, however interlaced images do not look good on LCD’s, PS2 will look blurry when not using a CRT

>>8784217
I think 360 looks great through a consumer set, I use it for streaming videos and old DVDs too

>>8784294
Whoops yeah forgot about the Wii. Yeah categorically it gets the same treatment as Gamecube/Xbox

>>8784217
Next question: How many CRT TVs and Monitors are too many?

>>8784189
Yeah at the time I had a CRT monitor and it looked much better than on a TV, very few DC games were 15kHz. Very clean output even on a LCD.

>>8783927
to me 6th gen belongs on CRT. i had a very nice 36in trinitron that came out around 2002ish. that lasted up around till 2006/7 ish when it got upgraded to the sharp aquos and that is where i believe LCD's are acceptable. at the 7th gen level. although playing 7th on CRT does have its advantages for the true darks

>>8784251
drug addicts

>>8784413
Ay man depends on your space. I only have a solid consumer set with component and s-video inputs. Best solution for all my systems. Sometimes I hook up my Dreamcast to my LCD computer monitor and as >>8784426 says it looks great. If I had more space I'd try to snag a CRT monitor just for kicks but desu it's more fun to play on a big TV.

>>8784429
>>8784304
Looking back on it I really liked playing my PS3 on a standard CRT, it was so responsive for online FPS.

>>8783927
Skip LCD and go straight to OLED

>>8783927
The Wii is like a generational stepping stone, some games for it look better on CRT and some actually look better on an LCD depending on whether a widescreen option and 480p support are provided.

Everything before the Wii looks better on CRT, and everything after the Wii that uses HDMI looks better on LCD.

>>8784450
zero lag and best darks only matched by oleds.

I remember people saying that the new "MicroLed" tvs are going to be able to make CRTs, but I'm not sure if I read that right or what. Anyone know of a statement similar to that?

>>8783927
7th gen is the gen you should switch to LCD but there's probably some examples out there of a game on ps3 looking great on CRT because the tech is that good. It's too bad we just gave up on CRTs because they would have just got better and more compact....who knows what a top of the line Sony CRT would have looked like in 2022.

But yeah I would never plug a 6th gen console into a LCD because a good CRT with a good video cable will win that contest easily.

>>8783927
480p looks rough on HD displays and often comes with an annoying black border for overscan. If you're emulating then 6th gen games can look great rendered in HD.
However I have to agree with this >>8783932

>>8784471
The Xbox 360 actually came out before the Wii and looks better on an LCD.

>>8784297
GTA Vice City looks blurry af to me on a CRT.
>i-it's the CRT that is bad!
I tried 8.

>>8784429
I was one of the poors who used a crt through the seventh gen, I'll just say correct aspect ratio definitely overrules better contrast.

>>8783927
The crossover point is PS2/Xbox/GC, imo. Those consoles have games that either look better on CRT or panels.
With PS3 and Xbox 360 still looking good on a nice, high end CRT but also on panels. But before 6th gen, definitely CRT.

>>8784848
VC looks fine at 480p on a VGA CRT.

>>8784480
Guess I'll just emulate everything, then. Tired of juggling cables, consoles, screens and a wired controller for the Wii that plugs to the GC port that isn't the GC controller doesn't seem to exist and adapters are expensive. Recently built a desktop, so I'll be able to run overhead and shaders.

>>8783932
Best post.
It makes so little difference.

>>8784856
The PS2 and PS3 don't have VGA out.

>>8783932
Oh thank you, finally a thread where the first post is actually intelligent and not some guy pressing F5 on the first page every 2 seconds to make sure his "epic trolling" is the first post in the thread

>>8783927
224p/240p - CRT
480i - CRT
480p - CRT
720p - CRT/LCD
1080i - CRT
1080p - CRT/LCD
1440p - LCD
2160p - LCD

>>8784859
What are you talking about? Sony even sold official cables, works with both consoles. Not all games work though (on PS2), only ones that support 480p, either by default over over GSM. PS3 doesn't have that problem.

>>8784859
>The PS2 and PS3 don't have VGA out.
must be bait

>>8784865
Never seen that shit in my life. Must be a USA or store exclusive.
>>8784867
Show me the VGA port, then.

>>8784869
I live in Europe and I had one around 2005, both official cables and knockoffs existed and were sold here. Even the Linux PS2 kit came with one and that was literally made just for Europe.
Also making your own wasn't that hard, internet was flooded with guides.

No idea what you're on about, this wasn't some osbcure thing.

>>8784857
Just emulate with a real CRT

>>8784869
>Show me the VGA port, then.
here you go anon

>>8783927
None, an LCD should never be used for playing games of any kind ever.

>>8784961
If you can give me a 37" ultrawide CRT that can compete with a QD-OLED in every aspect and feature, then I'll agree.

>>8784962
Well obviously you can't get such a thing, but why would you even want that. I am perfectly happy with my 19" CRT, who needs 4k resolution, not with ray tracing up an coming, 640x480 will be all the rage soon.

>>8784971
>not with ray tracing up an coming, 640x480 will be all the rage soon.
What puny GPU are you using that you can't get 100 FPS at 4k native while using RTX (without DLSS).

>>8784973
I have no interest in that crappy hybrid trash, I meant fully ray traced. When not using a disgusting denoiser, 640x480 is still too much for current GPUs, hopefully though the next generation of GPUs will finally be powerful enough.

>>8783932
No no NO the 2hu fag is gonna go off his meds if you do!

>>8785001
Wishful thinking, it's still decade away in a good scenario, nobody is going to prefer 480p fully ray traced to 4k hybrid, where it already benefits the most, with lighting.
Specially since fully path or ray traced graphics look like crap at lower resolutions, you'd need 8k on a 4k screen to have anything similar to current fidelity. Modern hybrid solutions don't need full resolution for ray traced lighting to get 99% of the same effect.

>>8785048
Modern game graphics look gross, the multi-pass style of rendering they do to simulate various effects results in something that just looks wrong.

>>8785079
That's a nice opinion you got there, anon.
Anyways, to be autistic, who even mentioned modern games? I play my /vr/ PC games at 4k too.

>>8784739
That's because the 360 is more powerful and most models had HDMI out of the box. The Wii is essentially a 6th gen console released at a weird time.

>>8783927
The generations where that would matter can be played with shaders, which makes lcd convenient, but there's nothing wrong if you are willing to deal with crt displays.

anyway fpbp
>>8783932

>>8784112
dreamcast on a decent Sharp Aquos EDTV display is fine to me

>>8784859
>being too young to remember ps3
This user is underage

>>8783932
FPBP. Imagine actually using and buying things based on the approval of a bunch of spergs on a chilean box social. OP is an idiot.

>>8783927
>what generation do you think it's ok to use an LCD
>I think 6th gen.
Nice try to whine about MUH NOT RETRO but wrong. PS2 games are almost all natively interlaced, plus it has a number of 240p games.

>>8784217
>7th gen and up
>LCD for ease, although they will look great on an HD CRT
Except HD CRTs are shit for small text, just regular CRTs

>>8783927
Most generations unless you want to use lightguns. CRT is really for nostalgia so if you feel like you want to use a crt i would say use it on those consoles where it was the most common output.

>>8784294
Off the top of my head, I believe Mad World was 480i-only. Also Mega Man 9 for some retarded reason.

>>8784294
>>8785553
The Konami Rebirth titles and that one Blaster Master game are also 480i only. In fact, the OG Xbox has more 480p games than the Wii does.

>>8783927
None of the generations we can talk about on this board, is the answer. If you must use a digital flat panel (for emulation) it should be an OLED. Absolutely no /vr/ hardware should be connected to an LCD.

>>8783927
ps2 on lcd
>horrible image
>horrible inputlag
>disgusting sound
dreamcast on vga
>all better
its time you guys switch to dreamcast

>>8784476
Well, the whole deal is they'll have the advantages of OLED without the disadvantages, or something like that.

On top of good shaders (which we basically already have in Sony Megatron), what will be needed to make CRTs obsolete is a display that is bright enough to be able to handle a full-strength mask with no artificial brightness compensation along with both VRR and strobing for smooth motion. An 8K MicroLED display might get us there.

>>8785620
OLED isn't without drawbacks for emulation, especially if you're into CRT shaders. Most of them have a RGBW subpixel layout that makes them suboptimal for emulating CRT phosphors. And while they have unsurpassed contrast, they don't get as bright as QLED displays do, and with CRT shaders, you want as much brightness as possible.

>>8783939
and then everyone clapped

>>8785363
Nice victim complex 6th genner

its crt then OLED, skip LCD trash

>>8784217
I had an EDTV Plasma from Samsung. I have a matching DVI, DVD Player and Digital TV Tuner for it. The TV Died, but I have some pretty neat gear that I can use with other stuff.

>>8785146
Exactly.
By the way, we should make a list of which 7th gen games are properly optimised for 4:3.
I know even the Wii had some forced 16:9 games like Skyward Sword and the Just Dance games are 16:9 only and are letterboxed on 4:3 TVs but which other ones are like that?

For the PS3 games I have, the following games support native 4:3:
>Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX
>Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX
>LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga
>LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
>LEGO The Lord of the Rings
>The ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Collection
>Journey: Collector's Edition
>Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut HD
>Sonic Adventure 2 Battle HD
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode II
>Sonic Unleashed
On Xbox 360, the only one I know would be the Xbox Live Arcade port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
I only have a PS3 and most of my games are pirated downloads so most of my info comes from hearsay.

>>8785553
>>8785562
That's interesting.

>>8785553
Didn't Bob from Retro RGB do a tutorial to force 480p to Megaman 9-10?

>>8783939
>zoomie is so buttblasted he starts LARPing on the 4chans to own the boomers
You love to see it.

>>8789083
>YOU ARE... LE BAD!
>YOU ARE.... LE KID!
>YOU ARE.... LE MAD!

I'm selling hot boxes and you're just rolling around in your own feces and crying

>>8783927
7th

>>8783927
My PS2 looks like ass on my HD LCD.

>>8783927
OLED

There is no discussion. You get to adulthood and start using OLED for everything.

>>8789203
I thought adulthood means using the tool for the job, instead of being a dummy like a small boy.

>>8789305
It is personal choice really. A large modern display is better in most ways. Leaving nostalgia behind, there is not much benefit to a CRT.
Adulthood could also involve not having a bunch of otherwise useless kit sitting around in a man child cave. Such as CRTs.

480p really looks good on good LCDs. Really 480i and 240p are CRT resolutions for me. 480p and up are fine on modern TV's with a proper scaler

>>8789317
Software filters suck compared to the real thing and motion clearness is still better on CRTs. Two things that make the biggest difference for /vr/ games.

>>8789334
It’s negligible. Filters are a personal thing. I am happy with crisp pixels.

>>8789345
Understandable, I just feel like majority of the content, both games and video, take advantage of the way CRTs work, offering more "pseudo detail" and making the content look more "realistic", if you get my point. Same reason I wouldn't use high TVL PVMs or VGA CRTs for 240p.

>>8783927
i could ask on /g/ but /vr/ seems better.

Old 15 inch CRT monitor with GPU years ahead of monitor, but still old; it will not burden the gpu, correct? Compared to a new LCD 27" or very large in general.

>>8789623
Nope, it's just signals, both on the same standard, so it's no problem.

>>8787935
4:3 support was even more common on xbox 360 than ps3. ps3 was marketed as a blu-ray player while most people were still hooking 360s up in SD

>>8785880
>8K MicroLED
That sounds like something that will be like $2000.

>>8789972
If it's worth it, I see no problem. Plus adoption will drop prices anyways over time.

>>8789978
I mean, there is a certain irony in needing a cutting-edge modern display utilizing all the latest technology solutions just to be able to faithfully replicate decades-old displays to play decades-old games.

>>8787935
funny thing about SADX for 7th gen consoles was it was so lazy of a port that it only supported 4:3 640x480, so playing it on an SDTV hid how shitty it was somewhat.

>>8783927
480i on a lcd screen is nasty, I can live with Xbox/Gamecube/Wii on lcd because those consoles had nice 480p support (and even widescreen support) but if I had a PS2 I would stick to CRT tvs, component + CRT if possible.

>>8784848
Vice City has a blur filter, idk about the PS2 version but you can turn it off on Xbox if you go to the pause menu an select "Trails = off"

>>8787954
Yes you can force 480p in both titles, you can also force Madworld, Trauma Center and a few other 480i only Wii games, (not all can be forced, but there's not a lot of them anyway) also, I'm pretty sure I played Contra Rebirth in 480p. I don't know anything about Retro fatso-rgb but you can find all the info about that on GBAtemp.

>>8789094
Go back to QA fag. Oh wait you cant because basedjaks are trash

>>8784252
Dude, there are Xbox 360 games that have 4:3 display options

>>8790374
NOOOOOOOO i'm a big fan i think you're gettin real mad real mad that i JUST EXIST

oooOoooo spicy 35 year old oh boy he's LE MAD

i sell xbox