/vr/ - Retro Games

Dualshock 4 with Sega Saturn D-Pad.

>>8776358
Literally this.
All I want is this pad in xinput with the extra two face buttons as a mirror of the left and right bumpers ala the usb Duke, and a dinput option to have access to all buttons.
It would allow me to play everything on my PC with the right “feel” all in one controller, including N64 (which I don’t love using the right analog stick in placement for the c buttons for)

>>8776409
how is the d-pad on that?

Saturn controller with dual shock sticks

Sega Saturn model 2, but with dual analog and a second row of shoulders.

>>8776425
I have never once encountered a problem with my original SN30Pro+
Dpad is dead on, feels like an OEM snes pad. The controller has the ergonomics of a dualshock 4 with tactile sensation of a snes pad. It’s my favorite controller for general retroarch use and feels good for any console.

Dualshock 4 with Dual Analog plastic sticks and no touch pad/share button/speaker/obnoxious light

Once RetroBit actually produces this it'll be the perfect controller.

>>8776358
Het rid of that atari joystick and add 2 more face buttons and it's perfect

I would take a Saturn controller, add two analog sticks where Xbox sticks are, and add a trigger button to each side. I don't get why I can't just have two extra fucking face buttons.

>>8776517
Does this have two rows of shoulders? I guess it's not really that necessary with 6 face buttons, but would still be nice

I really liked the dpad on this thing back in the mid 00's when there weren't many options for pc gamepads. I wonder if it still holds up.

>>8776575
I had a Saitek with the exact same D-Pad and the thing broke right the fuck off one day while I was hatching Pokemon eggs on a GBA emulator.

>>8776586
is hatching eggs kinda like a mario party type of controller abuse thing?

>>8776540
It doesn't exist yet but yes. It was a mock up by RetroBit few years ago and went nowhere.

>>8776621
Pretty much.

Literally perfection.

>>8776431
>>8776437
>>8776517
>>8776626
Just give up, it's never happening.

>>8776626
Yeah, I know it's the RetroBit mockup. I just forgot if they had added a second row of shoulders.

>>8776626
I need this so bad. It hurts bros...

>>8776517
Do want.

>>8776358
I want a gamecube main stick in the main position, a SNES D-pad in the secondary position, pressure-sensitive PS2 face buttons on the right except there are 6 of them, and a trackball mouse in the right stick spot.

>>8776358
Unironically I would just make this, except maybe replace its d-pad with the saturn's.

>>8776827
Actually no wait, now that I think of it I'd have 6 face buttons like fightpads

All of you children can't fathom life without dual sticks

>>8776671
Based, I want to mod one with a USB-C port on the top but I have no idea how to start.

>>8776358
This, but with
>two more haptic trackpads instead of joystick/buttons
>four grip buttons instead of two
>better bumpers
Literally that's it, that's all I'll ever want until I die.

>>8776929
This but with
>two more haptic trackpads instead of joystick and buttons
>four grip haptic trackpads instead of buttons
>haptic trackpad bumpers
Steam almost got it perfect.

>>8776935
>haptic pads in place of the Steam button and start & select.
>haptic grips

>>8776358
But I am in charge of creating the best controller ever. Have been for decades. I've designed and built hundreds over the years. Using the right tools for the right job. To produce the right tool for the right job. Not some poorfag cope abomination like your cringe related.

>>8777581
sure thing, fag

>>8777628

>>8776363
Garbage sticks
Neck yourself

Analog sticks suck on any controller that isnt the original one.

>>8776409
>as a mirror of the left and right bumpers
I want them to be unique buttons doe

>>8778161
That’s just for xinput ease of use. I stated it should also have dinput support if you wanted full control of all of them.
Typically for games you’re either going to use four shoulder buttons and four face buttons, or two shoulder buttons and six face buttons. Those are the most common setups so the way the usb duke has it set up would also benefit this fantasy controller.

>>8778114
See >>8778047

>>8778114
>soft-moving sticks with 0 deadzone to them
>bad
You don't know bad sticks

>>8776409
>8bit do
Be gone shill.

>>8776358
"Nine Worlds around a cosmic tree, Yggdrasil"

>>8776409
Isn't that just this?

>>8776885
Making the Psx controller tranny? Why zoomer, why?

>>8776834
So like this?

>>8776929
>Mfw my friend gets back from surgery and he tells me he "ground it down to just a nub."

>>8778467
This is dumb and you should feel bad for drawing it

i've never felt a better controller than the original gamecube controller, i think it could be improved with ireless, a trackpad, bluetooth and 6 axis

>>8778520
I love the button layout but the dpad, triggers and Z button all suck. C stick being a rounded nub too sucked. It had a lot of potential and I wish they stuck with it and made improvements. If the C stick was just another gamecube stick and and shoulder buttons were easier to press it'd be a huge improvement.

>>8778471
Which is a photoshop of a mockup of a PS4 controller that was circulated in 2013.

The dualsense is perfect besides the horrid color

atari jaguar CONTROLLER

Where’s that autist’s Paint drawing of a handheld with 50 buttons?

>>8776358
Dualsense with 6 buttons. Literally perfect.

>>8778471
If this existed it would be the only controller you’d ever need.
The + and - buttons are positioned perfectly to match n64 c buttons.
I’m pissed off this doesn’t exist now.

>>8776358
>controller
Swapped over to using an arcade stick for all my emulation of games that don't absolutely require a traditional controller, so much more comfy. Surprised that no mainstream console ever shipped with arcade controls.

>>8779424
The closest we got. It just costed a fortune.

>>8776431
>>8776437
The iPega HillyBillyCat could've been the ultimate gamepad, but the dpad is stiff as shit while the other front buttons (Z and C) have only the function of mirrorirng L and R instead of being their own thing.
Also, you can't use him wirelessly on PC due to idiotic programming, other than having switched A-B and X-Y buttons.

>>8776358
I like how nobody care about controller latency. Like it's a non factor, even though latency in every other regard is highly talked about.

>>8779536
ayy lmao

>>8776409
What exactly is the point of shoving six buttons on the face when the Pro 2 already has two back buttons making up for the lack of face buttons? Only difference to a Saturn controller at this point is you get to use more fingers to press your buttons.

>>8779707
Besides grip buttons being retarded every single time they have been tried you mean?
So when you are using something like RetroArch for instance, you can map the inputs for each console/core to be exactly like the console you are emulating.
Six face buttons, d-pad,two analog sticks, and four shoulder buttons allow you to properly emulate:
>Genesis 6 Button
>Saturn
>N64
>MAME Fighters
All with the correct tactile feel in a single controller.
Without six face buttons, you are forced to map to either the bumpers/triggers or right analogue stick, which are all less than desirable compromises.
It is far more stupid to add grip buttons than just an extra two face buttons.

>>8776409
8bitshit

Nothanks

>>8779761
Except that space on the face is limited and just having four face buttons and a thumbstick already require thumb acrobatics. Six face buttons and a thumbstick would be insufferable, and that's why no one offers a controller like that. Explain to me again why exactly you NEED to have all six buttons on the face and can't possibly map the outer two to the back buttons.

>>8779765
Im not shilling for chinks, but I'm generally curious as to why people have unwarranted hate for these.
They are OEM snes feel/placement in a dualshock package, something people like myself have wanted for over 20 years. I would go as far as saying the SN30pro is the finest third party controller design ever manufactured and I’ve been playing video games longer than you’ve been alive.
It’s the one good thing the bugs have ever frankensteined into existence, and the build quality is high. I’ve had mine for two years and it gets used at least once a week and it’s functioning like brand new.
I’m not shilling, squash the chinks and down with xi, but it IS a good controller.
What is your argument for why it’s bad? Have you ever used one?

>>8779770
Because nobody except your most virgin autist thinks grip buttons are good. I’ve also read that how they are set up on the new SN30 that they are accidentally pressed all the time. If you are playing a fighting game, do you really want to press the grips in a combo?
N64 games map movement to the c-buttons, and replacing that with a right analogue stick does not feel “correct”.
They could increase the surface area of the controller very easily to avoid a cramped area like the dualshock mock-up here >>8778471
I know it might hurt to hear, but six face buttons, two analogue sticks, and four shoulder buttons is the one true path for a do-it-all controller.
The only thing you could do to improve it is put a trackball in the middle but that’s getting into insane territory.

>>8779805
If you are this autismal about playing a fighting game you shouldn't be playing with a single thumb on all six buttons anyway, that's not how arcade controls worked.

Also I'm not saying that I find six face buttons inherently wrong, all I'm saying is it's impractical to shove them together with a thumbstick. It's unergonomic. There's not enough movement in your thumb. Unless you have like an N64 solution where you have entirely different grips or at least different hand positions on the same grip to use either the right thumbstick or the six face buttons.

>>8779770
Certain control schemes don't work well if the six buttons you use aren't clustered together, unless you take the time to remap the controls for one specific game every time.

>>8776679
just let a man dream.

>>8779881
I can't imagine where this would be the case unless you're playing some sort of muppet moron game where directions are mapped to the six button field.

>>8779707

Most good fighting games, Saturn games, and N64 games all need 6 face buttons. Years of muscle memory for fighting games aside, try controlling the camera in Mario 64 by having to click back buttons for up and right

>>8776671
This. Though I still use a NES pad for anything that only requires 2 buttons, the smallness of it is nice.

The great thing about the og PSX pad is how lightweight it is. DS controllers in comparison are like bricks, all for force feedback gimmick nobody ever liked except to put on their balls.

>>8780080
Why wouldn't you map camera to the right analog stick?

The perfect controller already exists.

>>8780115

Why not remove the left stick and remap it to the shoulder buttons? Because it's annoying and it doesn't work as well. A whole bunch of N64 games use the C-pad for actual game controls, too. It's absolutely infuriating to try to wiggle a stick up-left-right when you're supposed to be tapping a button, especially if you need to do it quickly.

Same deal with 6-button fighting games. Having to use shoulder buttons for high-low kick is just silly, the game was designed for 6 face buttons.

A Saturn pad with dual analogs and two shoulder buttons per side could play anything

>>8776409
>All I want is this pad in xinput
I'm unsure, but these should connect on the Retro receivers that can connect on PC, and from my search it's called "x-input mode" but I can't be 100% sure

>>8780128
shit latency

>>8780175
Yes the standard ones are plug/connect-and-play xinput by default (start+X). I just wanted my fantasy 6 button pad controller to also be xinput.
>>8780137
This anon understands. My only issue with Saturn layout is differently sized buttons. Works great for Saturn, works less great as a Jack of all trades controller. They should be evenly sized for max compatibility.

>>8776834
PSClassic controller

>>8778486
That's the ticket, but not with that dpad

>>8776363
>Sony controller
>Usable controller that is the best of the generation
Pick one. Sony has always been the least usable. Says a lot since fucking Wiimotes and Joycons are a thing.

>>8776358
Xbox elite 2 already exists. No need to try anymore.

>>8780137
>A Saturn pad with dual analogs and two shoulder buttons per side could play anything
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just saying, for camera control, right stick is preferable to buttons. Especially if I were to use a Mario 64 port mod that has full rotational camera control

>>8780271
>I'm just saying, for camera control, right stick is preferable to buttons.

It actually drove me kind of nuts when I tried, just because the control scheme is of course for button presses. Like my brain expects full camera control with a stick, and instead as you push the strick, there's nothing until you exit the dead zone and then WOOOP 90 degree turn.

>Especially if I were to use a Mario 64 port mod that has full rotational camera control

That would be so cool.

I bought into the meme and ordered this to replace my old DS4 (never liked the dpad anyway, too mushy for my taste).

>>8776671
>No gyro

Trash.

>>8780368
>being a Wiibaby

>>8780249
Sony is the only one that makes sense since Nintendo is random and xbox always has the sticks asymmetrical.

>>8780249
Dualshock/sense is and has always been a rock solid choice
Nintendo controllers went to shit and so did Xbox, meanwhile Dualshoc/sense has just gone better

>>8780543
Dualsense is a downgrade from DS4.
They literally copied the ergonomics of the xbone pad because even Sony fell for the “Xbone has best controller tho” meme and gave it a PlayStation layout with PlayStation buttons. I don’t think that was the best move.
PS controller hierarchy:
>1. PS1 Dual Analog (concave sticks and longer grips are max comfy)
>2. Dualshock 1/2/3
>3. DS4
>4. Dualsense

>>8776358

>>8776358
>Atari joystick spikes right through your palm
Is this controller designed for Jesus Christ?

If I could use this guy on PC, I'd be a happy camper.
Best heft and ergonomics for my hands.

>>8779236
This, lol.

>>8779236
I keep a lot of ideas from here. I really should clear my hard drive.

>>8779610
I have that pic too.

>>8779659
What specific part of any controller has control over that? In any case, I should think it's a given that all controllers should strive for the best in all areas. The external design elements that this thread seems mostly to be about shouldn't affect this.

>>8779707
Why not both? four on the back for good measure. Or just to piss you off. They can serve as useful hotkeys ether way.

Here's the ideal gamepad. On the front, two analog sticks and two dpads, one pair for each thumb. On the back of the controller, eight buttons placed where your other fingers naturally rest when holding the controller. All 10 fingers are doing to work, unlike with most modern gamepads.

>>8780943
How do you grip the controller without pressing a button?

>>8780951
The same way you can rest your thumb on a button without pressing it.

>>8780954
But you don't grip a controller with your thumbs.

>>8780958
You grip this new controller with your palms. The job of the fingers is to press buttons, not hold the controller.

>>8780951 anon

>>8780954 <- this anon is trying to say he has little baby pussy hands that gently fondle his baby toy as to not disturb the buttons.

Although it gets a lot of hate, I really enjoy ergonomics and d-pad on the Sidewinder Gamepad. If they could add dual analog sticks on it, it would be the perfect controller.

>>8780261
This

this has microswitches on the buttons i guess?

>>8779843
Perhaps you haven't found the right implementation of those button arrays. I think there is a right way to make this work.

>>8779843
I looked a lot into unconventional arrays of six face buttons.

>>8779914
Was looking at some images... searching..

>>8780137
What about the ibuffalo.?

>>8781316

>>8781353
Horrible, just horrible.

>>8781359

>>8781327
A review.
https://youtu.be/DY3lKG9b4go

>>8780128
that stick placement is absolutely braindead.
picrel is objectively better.

>>8781939
I can't be bothered to watch the full video, care to synthesise it in one line?

>>8780830
Fucking legendary.

>>8781362
I like the saturn-style dpad, but I fucking loathe the differently sized buttons. Doesn't feel natural playing any SNES or PS1/2 games.

>>8780091
>The great thing about the og PSX pad is how lightweight it is.

Fuck I'm glad someone else thinks this. I used the Dual Shock for years and then one day decided to use the original pad and remarked at how lightweight and surprisingly sturdy it was. People will swear it off for fighting games but I think it's great for four button-fighters, as the sticks on the Dual Shock would get in the way for me, the d-pad is better than its given credit for.

What could have been...

>>8780080
>Most good fighting games, Saturn games, and N64 games all need 6 face buttons.
Most of them don't need six face buttons, they just need six buttons. And thank fucking god I didn't have to grow up with Bing Wahoo 64 if its control scheme is this fucking retarded.

>>8778486
This is the perfect controller but with a PS4 controller d-pad.

this is cool

i use an old grey psx dualshock with a usb adapter, its heavier and feels more solid compared to a ds2 which feels cheap, and the sticks are smoother than a ds3, the sticks on a ds2 r just bad. i also have an og psx analog its bigger which feels better in ur hands, i like the dimpled sticks but u can twist them, which feels unatural compared to other analogs which are fixed, and as far as i can remember they dont click so no L3/R3.

>>8781362
>8bitDooDoo

of course its gonna be bad.

>>8781316
>>8781362
what happened to the other one? >>8776626

>>8781959
No, this is better, no memeing. love those analogue shoulders

In my opinion, I haven't touched a controller better than the DS4 yet.
Dpads are better with separate buttons, not everything together on the outside like everything else
Also I use it connected via USB to my PC. Controllers shouldn't have you worrying about how many hours you can play, games are supposed to be played 14 hours a day

>>8782126
It's good and 21$. It's quite a short video.

>>8783489
Why aren't octagonal stick wells more common? I love having the freedom of analog movement while also having tactile and definite cardinal and ordinal directions.

>>8776358
Take the dualshock, thicken it up, swap the location of the analog stick and dpad, give it the Sega Saturn dpad and face buttons, snes start and select, and give it the Duke's triggers.

>>8782297
I don’t understand why the XYZ buttons are small and rounded. Why not make them all the same size and curvature?

>>8783494
DualSense is better. They’re both great but the DualSense is better in every way.

>>8783981
Since posting that comment I have taken a look at Japanese reviews, they seem much less enthusiastic overall. A lot are straight up negative.

>>8781959
I didn't really like the pro at first but after using it for a couple weeks it's easily my favorite controller ever

>>8784665
What do they say?

how come the order of B and A is always wrong?

>>8784883
Speaking of the ones of Amazon Japanspecifically, they say the buttons break very easily, and their size is too small for an adult to use.

simple as

just rebind the buttons on a per game basis for optimal gameplay, the right setup feels like fucking magic

>>8784950
What if I don't want to play a fighter?

>>8784963
>the greatest fighting game of all time

>>8784950
Arcade sticks are ass.
There, I said it.

>>8780347
This is the controller I use on my Switch and PS4 and it’s really fucking solid. The battery life is pretty damn good, the d pad feels real nice and the buttons are satisfying to press. Although I’ve heard quality control is a bit all over the place.

>>8785171
How are the buttons on the back? Getting many accidental presses? Thinking of using them for quick save/load when emulating.

>>8785185
I’ve never accidentally pressed them but I think that’s one of the quality control issues people have talked about. For mine there is no way you could accidentally press them. Quick saves and load states what I use them for, can’t imagine using them for anything else. They have a click to them similar to a mouse.

>>8780967
Underrated

>>8776575
>125
>346
I'm triggered

>>8785467
1, 2, 3, 4 are the core face buttons. 5, 6 are like auxillary buttons, like black & white on the OG Xbox.

>>8776358
Condense arrow buttons to a "Select" button
Eliminate the "C" and "." buttons
Saturn D-Pad and face buttons
2x right and left shoulder buttons
Dualshock analog sticks

Did this monstrosity cover just about everything?

>>8785897
clearly that's for emulating the colecovision

>>8785992
No it's for horse race betting, the premiere snes genre.

>>8785992
Exactly. I found about about this when I saw it in a Collectorvision Phoenix video

>>8786001
I wasn't kidding then when I said everything covered

coleco be like
>focus groups said they wanted more buttons so we added a phone dial pad to our controllers

>>8776358
Xbox one but with r1/l1 buttons that don't click and with the back paddles from >>8776409

>>8784924
That controller is cheap, has six face buttons and in the video seems reliable enough. It kind of looks like a blank controller ready for customizing. I can make new buttons or a shell for it pretty easily. I can't speak to what others might do with it though.

>>8785117
>For your ass, sir.

>>8786742
That's a bit small to be going in MY ass, now isn't it?

>>8779707
Fighting games obviously. For other games, there's 2 main action buttons, then the 4 button diamond layout to change equipment in real time without having to pause the game

>>8780573
Based. I got a dual analog for myself, and it's crazy how much better it is. My one and only complaint is that the sticks are plastic, and not rubberized.